#gnusocial — Public Fediverse posts
Live and recent posts from across the Fediverse tagged #gnusocial, aggregated by home.social.
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Da sind ja noch einige „Leichen“ gelistet, und ja, ich bin seit 2008, oft mit eigenen Instanzen, im #Fediverse. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Zuerst auf #Identica, #Pumpio, #StatusNet, #GnuSocial und #Misskey bis vor kurzem noch mit eigenen #Mastodon und #Diaspora Instanzen.
Seit dem 1. April (kein Scherz) gibt es allerdings nur noch zwei Konten. Eines auf Mastodon:
und eines auf Diaspora:
https://diaspora-fr.org/people/5bab36d046bd013d2c390025900e4586
Alles andere kann tatsächlich weg. 😀
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Da sind ja noch einige „Leichen“ gelistet, und ja, ich bin seit 2008, oft mit eigenen Instanzen, im #Fediverse. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Zuerst auf #Identica, #Pumpio, #StatusNet, #GnuSocial und #Misskey bis vor kurzem noch mit eigenen #Mastodon und #Diaspora Instanzen.
Seit dem 1. April (kein Scherz) gibt es allerdings nur noch zwei Konten. Eines auf Mastodon:
und eines auf Diaspora:
https://diaspora-fr.org/people/5bab36d046bd013d2c390025900e4586
Alles andere kann tatsächlich weg. 😀
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Da sind ja noch einige „Leichen“ gelistet, und ja, ich bin seit 2008, oft mit eigenen Instanzen, im #Fediverse. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Zuerst auf #Identica, #Pumpio, #StatusNet, #GnuSocial und #Misskey bis vor kurzem noch mit eigenen #Mastodon und #Diaspora Instanzen.
Seit dem 1. April (kein Scherz) gibt es allerdings nur noch zwei Konten. Eines auf Mastodon:
und eines auf Diaspora:
https://diaspora-fr.org/people/5bab36d046bd013d2c390025900e4586
Alles andere kann tatsächlich weg. 😀
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Da sind ja noch einige „Leichen“ gelistet, und ja, ich bin seit 2008, oft mit eigenen Instanzen, im #Fediverse. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Zuerst auf #Identica, #Pumpio, #StatusNet, #GnuSocial und #Misskey bis vor kurzem noch mit eigenen #Mastodon und #Diaspora Instanzen.
Seit dem 1. April (kein Scherz) gibt es allerdings nur noch zwei Konten. Eines auf Mastodon:
und eines auf Diaspora:
https://diaspora-fr.org/people/5bab36d046bd013d2c390025900e4586
Alles andere kann tatsächlich weg. 😀
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Da sind ja noch einige „Leichen“ gelistet, und ja, ich bin seit 2008, oft mit eigenen Instanzen, im #Fediverse. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Zuerst auf #Identica, #Pumpio, #StatusNet, #GnuSocial und #Misskey bis vor kurzem noch mit eigenen #Mastodon und #Diaspora Instanzen.
Seit dem 1. April (kein Scherz) gibt es allerdings nur noch zwei Konten. Eines auf Mastodon:
und eines auf Diaspora:
https://diaspora-fr.org/people/5bab36d046bd013d2c390025900e4586
Alles andere kann tatsächlich weg. 😀
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@phnt @happy-programming @Profpatsch
What was also interesting re: #GNUSocial is the unfortunately retracted #ActivityPub #FEP on Unbound Groups i.e. groups (or organizations) that are not bound to a single instance.
See #FEP2100 at https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fep/src/branch/main/fep/2100/fep-2100.md
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@「 Jürgen 」:fedi_mastodon:Irgendwie ist das doch nicht die „übliche“ Verwendung von Hashtags in Beiträgen. Was ist der Hintergrund bei Hubzilla, dass das so gehandhabt wird?
Das hat Hubzilla geerbt von Friendica, weil es umgebaut wurde aus einem Fork eines Forks von Friendica. Und Friendica hat es übernommen von StatusNet, weil es von vornherein mit StatusNet föderieren sollte. Und StatusNet hat es geerbt von Identi.ca.
Sie alle handhab(t)en Hashtags intern als Schlüsselwörter, die keine Raute enthalten. Und sie stellen die Raute außerhalb des Link vor den Link, um zu signalisieren: Das hier ist ein Hashtag. Wenn man einen Post, einen Kommentar oder eine DM verschickt, wird aus dem Hashtag automatisch ein entsprechendes Konstrukt aus ungelinkter Raute plus Link aufs Schlüsselwort generiert.
Das ist wie bei Namen: Auf allen war bzw. ist das @ kein Teil irgendeines Namen, nicht des Kurznamen, nicht des Langnamen. Der Kurzname, der Teil des Profil-Link ist, hat auch kein @. Guck dir mal deine Erwähnung an: Das @ ist nicht Teil des Link, sondern steht vorm Link, und dein Langname ist erwähnt.
Warum "die" das anders gemacht haben als auf Twitter und Mastodon? Ganz einfach: Weil "die" das vor Mastodon gemacht haben. Eigentlich sogar noch vor Twitter.
Identi.ca und StatusNet waren von 2008. Etwa acht Jahre vor Mastodon. Das war der eigentliche Urknall des Fediverse. Und StatusNet hatte meines Wissens damals schon offizielle Unterstützung für Hashtags.
Warum hat es das nun anders gemacht als Twitter? Weil es das vor Twitter gemacht hat.
Es war nämlich erst 2009, daß Chris Messina offiziell Unterstützung für Hashtags bei Twitter eingeführt hat. Evan Prodromou, der Erfinder von Identi.ca, StatusNet und dem Fediverse, konnte unmöglich etwa ein Jahr im voraus ahnen, wie Twitter mal Hashtags implementieren wird. Und die Twitter-Entwickler dürften damals überhaupt nicht gewußt haben, daß auch nur Identi.ca existiert, geschweige denn, wie es Hashtags handhabt.
Friendica ging im Mai 2010 an den Start, etwa fünf Jahre und acht Monate vor Mastodon. Friendica basierte zwar auf einem eigenen Protokoll, war aber von vornherein in der Lage, sich mit StatusNet über dessen eigenes OStatus-Protokoll zu verbinden. Praktischerweise hat der Friendica-Erfinder Mike Macgirvin gleich Identi.cas und StatusNets Handhabung von Hashtags übernommen. Zu diesem Zeitpunkt hatte Twitter Hashtags erst seit gut zehn Monaten.
Ende 2011 hat Mike Macgirvin Friendica geforkt, dann den Fork geforkt und diesen Fork namens Red (später Red Matrix) dann ab 2012 komplett umgeschrieben. Zu diesem Zeitpunkt handhabte alles im Fediverse Hashtags noch auf dieselbe Art.
Um diese Zeit wurde StatusNet nach GNU social hardgeforkt, das wohl versuchte, mehr wie Twitter zu sein. Daher wurden auch die Hashtags wie auf Twitter ausgeführt: mit der Raute als Teil des Schlüsselworts und als Teil des Link. StatusNet verlor dann nach der 2012er Umstellung von Identi.ca auf pump.io seine Entwicklungsgrundlage und wurde 2013 kurzerhand nach GNU social gemerget, ohne aber die Hashtags wieder auf die alte Form umzustellen.
Im März 2015 wurde erstmals Hubzilla veröffentlicht, das entstanden war, indem die Red Matrix umbenannt und massiv erweitert worden war.
Erst im Januar 2016 kam dann Mastodon, Pleroma kurze Zeit später. Weil beide ursprünglich alternative Frontends für GNU social sein sollten, übernahmen sie von GNU social die Twitter-Hashtags.
Zu diesem Zeitpunkt sahen weder die neuen Entwickler, die Friendica seit Ende 2011 hatte, noch Mike Macgirvin es ein, warum sie ihre Software unbedingt an Mastodon anpassen sollten. Mike, der inzwischen zwei Nachfahren von Hubzilla betreut, sieht es bis heute nicht ein. Eher baut er serverseitige Gegenmittel gegen Mastodon in seine Software ein.
Misskey landete meines Wissens erst 2018 im Fediverse, nachdem es ActivityPub adoptiert hatte. Das hatte übrigens Hubzilla als erstes, seit Juli 2017, und Mastodon als zweites, seit September.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Identi.ca #Laconi.ca #StatusNet #GNUsocial #Friendica #Hubzilla #Mastodon #Pleroma #Hashtag #Hashtags #HashtagMeta #CWHashtagMeta -
@Maxi 11x 💉
Das Fediverse wird immer mehr zu Facebook und ich hab da wenig Lust drauf.
Das Fediverse war Facebook, bevor es von Millionen von ahnungslosen Mastodon-Newbies zu Twitter gemacht wurde.
Mehr als die Hälfte der Mastodon-Nutzer glaubt, das Fediverse sei nur Mastodon. Der weit überwiegende Teil derer, die eines Besseren belehrt wurden, glauben immer noch, das Fediverse sei- (frühestens) 2016
- von Eugen Rochko
- als reine Microblogging-Plattform und Twitter-Klon
- mit einem Zeichenlimit von 500 Zeichen
Um das mal zurechtzurücken:
Im Januar 2016 ging Mastodon an den Start.
Im Juli 2010, fünfeinhalb Jahre vor Mastodon, startete Friendica (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendica, https://friendi.ca) als Facebook-Alternative.- Ohne Zeichenbegrenzung (tatsächlich 16.777.215 Zeichen).
- Mit allem, was eine gute Bloggingplattform an Textformatierung hergibt.
- Mit Inhaltswarnungen, die jeder für sich selbst automatisch generieren lassen kann mittels einer Liste von Schlüsselwörtern.
- Mit Titeln und Zusammenfassungen, und die Zusammenfassungen waren schon immer in dem Datenfeld, das Mastodon seit 2017 für CWs verwendet.
- Mit der Fähigkeit, andere Posts als Komplettzitate zu teilen. Und nicht ein einziges Mal ist das mißbräuchlich verwendet worden.
Jetzt regen sich Mastodon-Nutzer darüber auf, daß Friendica auf so infame und rücksichtslose Art und Weise ins Mastodon-Fediverse eingedrungen ist und seine Nutzer- sich nicht ans 500-Zeichen-Limit halten
- alle mit ihren Textformatierungen nerven
- keine CWs schreiben
- dafür das CW-Feld mißbrauchen mit "Titeln oder was weiß ich, was das ist"
Fakt ist aber: Friendica gab es nicht nur schon fünfeinhalb Jahre, als Mastodon startete, sondern es war auch schon fünfeinhalb Jahre im Fediverse, als Mastodon startete. Und es hatte auch schon gut fünf Jahre lang seine eigene Kultur, als Mastodon startete.
In dem Augenblick, wo Mastodon startete, verband es sich sofort mit StatusNet (von 2008, wofür Mastodon ursprünglich nur eine Alternativoberfläche war; heute GNU social, https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Social, https://gnusocial.rocks/), Friendica und Hubzilla (von 2015, basiert auf einem Fork eines Forks von Friendica von 2012; https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubzilla, https://hubzilla.org). Und nicht umgekehrt.
Wir waren zuerst hier. Findet euch damit ab.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #NichtNurMastodon #MastodonZentrizität #MastodonNormativität #StatusNet #GNUsocial #Friendica #Hubzilla #CW #CWs #CWMeta #ContentWarning #ContentWarnings #ContentWarningMeta #Zeichenlimit #Zeichenlimits #ZeichenlimitMeta #CWZeichenlimitMeta #500Zeichen #QuotePost #QuotePosts #QuoteTweet #QuoteTweets #QuoteToot #QuoteToots #QuoteTröt #QuoteTröts #QuoteBoost #QuoteBoosts #QuotedShares #QuotePostDebatte #QuoteTrötDebatte -
@Maxi 11x 💉Das Fediverse wird immer mehr zu Facebook und ich hab da wenig Lust drauf.
Das Fediverse war Facebook, bevor es von Millionen von ahnungslosen Mastodon-Newbies zu Twitter gemacht wurde.
Mehr als die Hälfte der Mastodon-Nutzer glaubt, das Fediverse sei nur Mastodon. Der weit überwiegende Teil derer, die eines Besseren belehrt wurden, glauben immer noch, das Fediverse sei- (frühestens) 2016
- von Eugen Rochko
- als reine Microblogging-Plattform und Twitter-Klon
- mit einem Zeichenlimit von 500 Zeichen
Um das mal zurechtzurücken:
Im Januar 2016 ging Mastodon an den Start.
Im Juli 2010, fünfeinhalb Jahre vor Mastodon, startete Friendica (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendica, https://friendi.ca) als Facebook-Alternative.- Ohne Zeichenbegrenzung (tatsächlich 16.777.215 Zeichen).
- Mit allem, was eine gute Bloggingplattform an Textformatierung hergibt.
- Mit Inhaltswarnungen, die jeder für sich selbst automatisch generieren lassen kann mittels einer Liste von Schlüsselwörtern.
- Mit Titeln und Zusammenfassungen, und die Zusammenfassungen waren schon immer in dem Datenfeld, das Mastodon seit 2017 für CWs verwendet.
- Mit der Fähigkeit, andere Posts als Komplettzitate zu teilen. Und nicht ein einziges Mal ist das mißbräuchlich verwendet worden.
Jetzt regen sich Mastodon-Nutzer darüber auf, daß Friendica auf so infame und rücksichtslose Art und Weise ins Mastodon-Fediverse eingedrungen ist und seine Nutzer- sich nicht ans 500-Zeichen-Limit halten
- alle mit ihren Textformatierungen nerven
- keine CWs schreiben
- dafür das CW-Feld mißbrauchen mit "Titeln oder was weiß ich, was das ist"
Fakt ist aber: Friendica gab es nicht nur schon fünfeinhalb Jahre, als Mastodon startete, sondern es war auch schon fünfeinhalb Jahre im Fediverse, als Mastodon startete. Und es hatte auch schon gut fünf Jahre lang seine eigene Kultur, als Mastodon startete.
In dem Augenblick, wo Mastodon startete, verband es sich sofort mit StatusNet (von 2008, wofür Mastodon ursprünglich nur eine Alternativoberfläche war; heute GNU social, https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Social, https://gnusocial.rocks/), Friendica und Hubzilla (von 2015, basiert auf einem Fork eines Forks von Friendica von 2012; https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubzilla, https://hubzilla.org). Und nicht umgekehrt.
Wir waren zuerst hier. Findet euch damit ab.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #NichtNurMastodon #MastodonZentrizität #MastodonNormativität #StatusNet #GNUsocial #Friendica #Hubzilla #CW #CWs #CWMeta #ContentWarning #ContentWarnings #ContentWarningMeta #Zeichenlimit #Zeichenlimits #ZeichenlimitMeta #CWZeichenlimitMeta #500Zeichen #QuotePost #QuotePosts #QuoteTweet #QuoteTweets #QuoteToot #QuoteToots #QuoteTröt #QuoteTröts #QuoteBoost #QuoteBoosts #QuotedShares #QuotePostDebatte #QuoteTrötDebatte -
@Maxi 11x 💉Das Fediverse wird immer mehr zu Facebook und ich hab da wenig Lust drauf.
Das Fediverse war Facebook, bevor es von Millionen von ahnungslosen Mastodon-Newbies zu Twitter gemacht wurde.
Mehr als die Hälfte der Mastodon-Nutzer glaubt, das Fediverse sei nur Mastodon. Der weit überwiegende Teil derer, die eines Besseren belehrt wurden, glauben immer noch, das Fediverse sei- (frühestens) 2016
- von Eugen Rochko
- als reine Microblogging-Plattform und Twitter-Klon
- mit einem Zeichenlimit von 500 Zeichen
Um das mal zurechtzurücken:
Im Januar 2016 ging Mastodon an den Start.
Im Juli 2010, fünfeinhalb Jahre vor Mastodon, startete Friendica (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendica, https://friendi.ca) als Facebook-Alternative.- Ohne Zeichenbegrenzung (tatsächlich 16.777.215 Zeichen).
- Mit allem, was eine gute Bloggingplattform an Textformatierung hergibt.
- Mit Inhaltswarnungen, die jeder für sich selbst automatisch generieren lassen kann mittels einer Liste von Schlüsselwörtern.
- Mit Titeln und Zusammenfassungen, und die Zusammenfassungen waren schon immer in dem Datenfeld, das Mastodon seit 2017 für CWs verwendet.
- Mit der Fähigkeit, andere Posts als Komplettzitate zu teilen. Und nicht ein einziges Mal ist das mißbräuchlich verwendet worden.
Jetzt regen sich Mastodon-Nutzer darüber auf, daß Friendica auf so infame und rücksichtslose Art und Weise ins Mastodon-Fediverse eingedrungen ist und seine Nutzer- sich nicht ans 500-Zeichen-Limit halten
- alle mit ihren Textformatierungen nerven
- keine CWs schreiben
- dafür das CW-Feld mißbrauchen mit "Titeln oder was weiß ich, was das ist"
Fakt ist aber: Friendica gab es nicht nur schon fünfeinhalb Jahre, als Mastodon startete, sondern es war auch schon fünfeinhalb Jahre im Fediverse, als Mastodon startete. Und es hatte auch schon gut fünf Jahre lang seine eigene Kultur, als Mastodon startete.
In dem Augenblick, wo Mastodon startete, verband es sich sofort mit StatusNet (von 2008, wofür Mastodon ursprünglich nur eine Alternativoberfläche war; heute GNU social, https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Social, https://gnusocial.rocks/), Friendica und Hubzilla (von 2015, basiert auf einem Fork eines Forks von Friendica von 2012; https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubzilla, https://hubzilla.org). Und nicht umgekehrt.
Wir waren zuerst hier. Findet euch damit ab.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #NichtNurMastodon #MastodonZentrizität #MastodonNormativität #StatusNet #GNUsocial #Friendica #Hubzilla #CW #CWs #CWMeta #ContentWarning #ContentWarnings #ContentWarningMeta #Zeichenlimit #Zeichenlimits #ZeichenlimitMeta #CWZeichenlimitMeta #500Zeichen #QuotePost #QuotePosts #QuoteTweet #QuoteTweets #QuoteToot #QuoteToots #QuoteTröt #QuoteTröts #QuoteBoost #QuoteBoosts #QuotedShares #QuotePostDebatte #QuoteTrötDebatte -
@Maxi 11x 💉Das Fediverse wird immer mehr zu Facebook und ich hab da wenig Lust drauf.
Das Fediverse war Facebook, bevor es von Millionen von ahnungslosen Mastodon-Newbies zu Twitter gemacht wurde.
Mehr als die Hälfte der Mastodon-Nutzer glaubt, das Fediverse sei nur Mastodon. Der weit überwiegende Teil derer, die eines Besseren belehrt wurden, glauben immer noch, das Fediverse sei- (frühestens) 2016
- von Eugen Rochko
- als reine Microblogging-Plattform und Twitter-Klon
- mit einem Zeichenlimit von 500 Zeichen
Um das mal zurechtzurücken:
Im Januar 2016 ging Mastodon an den Start.
Im Juli 2010, fünfeinhalb Jahre vor Mastodon, startete Friendica (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendica, https://friendi.ca) als Facebook-Alternative.- Ohne Zeichenbegrenzung (tatsächlich 16.777.215 Zeichen).
- Mit allem, was eine gute Bloggingplattform an Textformatierung hergibt.
- Mit Inhaltswarnungen, die jeder für sich selbst automatisch generieren lassen kann mittels einer Liste von Schlüsselwörtern.
- Mit Titeln und Zusammenfassungen, und die Zusammenfassungen waren schon immer in dem Datenfeld, das Mastodon seit 2017 für CWs verwendet.
- Mit der Fähigkeit, andere Posts als Komplettzitate zu teilen. Und nicht ein einziges Mal ist das mißbräuchlich verwendet worden.
Jetzt regen sich Mastodon-Nutzer darüber auf, daß Friendica auf so infame und rücksichtslose Art und Weise ins Mastodon-Fediverse eingedrungen ist und seine Nutzer- sich nicht ans 500-Zeichen-Limit halten
- alle mit ihren Textformatierungen nerven
- keine CWs schreiben
- dafür das CW-Feld mißbrauchen mit "Titeln oder was weiß ich, was das ist"
Fakt ist aber: Friendica gab es nicht nur schon fünfeinhalb Jahre, als Mastodon startete, sondern es war auch schon fünfeinhalb Jahre im Fediverse, als Mastodon startete. Und es hatte auch schon gut fünf Jahre lang seine eigene Kultur, als Mastodon startete.
In dem Augenblick, wo Mastodon startete, verband es sich sofort mit StatusNet (von 2008, wofür Mastodon ursprünglich nur eine Alternativoberfläche war; heute GNU social, https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Social, https://gnusocial.rocks/), Friendica und Hubzilla (von 2015, basiert auf einem Fork eines Forks von Friendica von 2012; https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubzilla, https://hubzilla.org). Und nicht umgekehrt.
Wir waren zuerst hier. Findet euch damit ab.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #NichtNurMastodon #MastodonZentrizität #MastodonNormativität #StatusNet #GNUsocial #Friendica #Hubzilla #CW #CWs #CWMeta #ContentWarning #ContentWarnings #ContentWarningMeta #Zeichenlimit #Zeichenlimits #ZeichenlimitMeta #CWZeichenlimitMeta #500Zeichen #QuotePost #QuotePosts #QuoteTweet #QuoteTweets #QuoteToot #QuoteToots #QuoteTröt #QuoteTröts #QuoteBoost #QuoteBoosts #QuotedShares #QuotePostDebatte #QuoteTrötDebatte -
@Maxi 11x 💉Das Fediverse wird immer mehr zu Facebook und ich hab da wenig Lust drauf.
Das Fediverse war Facebook, bevor es von Millionen von ahnungslosen Mastodon-Newbies zu Twitter gemacht wurde.
Mehr als die Hälfte der Mastodon-Nutzer glaubt, das Fediverse sei nur Mastodon. Der weit überwiegende Teil derer, die eines Besseren belehrt wurden, glauben immer noch, das Fediverse sei- (frühestens) 2016
- von Eugen Rochko
- als reine Microblogging-Plattform und Twitter-Klon
- mit einem Zeichenlimit von 500 Zeichen
Um das mal zurechtzurücken:
Im Januar 2016 ging Mastodon an den Start.
Im Juli 2010, fünfeinhalb Jahre vor Mastodon, startete Friendica (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendica, https://friendi.ca) als Facebook-Alternative.- Ohne Zeichenbegrenzung (tatsächlich 16.777.215 Zeichen).
- Mit allem, was eine gute Bloggingplattform an Textformatierung hergibt.
- Mit Inhaltswarnungen, die jeder für sich selbst automatisch generieren lassen kann mittels einer Liste von Schlüsselwörtern.
- Mit Titeln und Zusammenfassungen, und die Zusammenfassungen waren schon immer in dem Datenfeld, das Mastodon seit 2017 für CWs verwendet.
- Mit der Fähigkeit, andere Posts als Komplettzitate zu teilen. Und nicht ein einziges Mal ist das mißbräuchlich verwendet worden.
Jetzt regen sich Mastodon-Nutzer darüber auf, daß Friendica auf so infame und rücksichtslose Art und Weise ins Mastodon-Fediverse eingedrungen ist und seine Nutzer- sich nicht ans 500-Zeichen-Limit halten
- alle mit ihren Textformatierungen nerven
- keine CWs schreiben
- dafür das CW-Feld mißbrauchen mit "Titeln oder was weiß ich, was das ist"
Fakt ist aber: Friendica gab es nicht nur schon fünfeinhalb Jahre, als Mastodon startete, sondern es war auch schon fünfeinhalb Jahre im Fediverse, als Mastodon startete. Und es hatte auch schon gut fünf Jahre lang seine eigene Kultur, als Mastodon startete.
In dem Augenblick, wo Mastodon startete, verband es sich sofort mit StatusNet (von 2008, wofür Mastodon ursprünglich nur eine Alternativoberfläche war; heute GNU social, https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Social, https://gnusocial.rocks/), Friendica und Hubzilla (von 2015, basiert auf einem Fork eines Forks von Friendica von 2012; https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubzilla, https://hubzilla.org). Und nicht umgekehrt.
Wir waren zuerst hier. Findet euch damit ab.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #NichtNurMastodon #MastodonZentrizität #MastodonNormativität #StatusNet #GNUsocial #Friendica #Hubzilla #CW #CWs #CWMeta #ContentWarning #ContentWarnings #ContentWarningMeta #Zeichenlimit #Zeichenlimits #ZeichenlimitMeta #CWZeichenlimitMeta #500Zeichen #QuotePost #QuotePosts #QuoteTweet #QuoteTweets #QuoteToot #QuoteToots #QuoteTröt #QuoteTröts #QuoteBoost #QuoteBoosts #QuotedShares #QuotePostDebatte #QuoteTrötDebatte -
@LenaHall Willkommen! Die Verwendung von Hash Tags wie z.B. #neuhier hilft um gesehen zu werden. Das #fediverse ist mein digitales Wohnzimmer seit mindestens 2018. Damals noch mit #gnusocial. Die Eigenständigkeit und der föderierte Ansatz sind es, was mich hierher gebracht hat, und auch hält.
Je nachdem was Deine bevorzugte Verwendung von sozialen Medien ist, lohnt es sich auch mal die anderen Zugänge zum Fediverse anzuschauen. Wenn man gerne Bilder teilt ist #pixlefed ganz gut, für Videos gibt es #peertube, für mehr Text als 500 Zeichen und von allem ein wenig gibt es #friendica und und und. Man kann durchaus auch mehrere Wege ins Fediverse kombinieren. Viel Spaß hier. -
On October 2, 2013, GNU social developer MMN-o (Mikael Nordfeldth) published a blog piece announcing that they'd rolled out a change to their WebFinger implementation, adding backwards-compatible support for the RFC7033 version;
"Plus of course the former RFC6415 (Web Host Metadata), which StatusNet supports (but only XRD format)."
For those who don't know, masrodon.social was created to federate with #GnuSocial servers.
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On October 2, 2013, GNU social developer MMN-o (Mikael Nordfeldth) published a blog piece announcing that they'd rolled out a change to their WebFinger implementation, adding backwards-compatible support for the RFC7033 version;
"Plus of course the former RFC6415 (Web Host Metadata), which StatusNet supports (but only XRD format)."
For those who don't know, masrodon.social was created to federate with #GnuSocial servers.
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On October 2, 2013, GNU social developer MMN-o (Mikael Nordfeldth) published a blog piece announcing that they'd rolled out a change to their WebFinger implementation, adding backwards-compatible support for the RFC7033 version;
"Plus of course the former RFC6415 (Web Host Metadata), which StatusNet supports (but only XRD format)."
For those who don't know, masrodon.social was created to federate with #GnuSocial servers.
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On October 2, 2013, GNU social developer MMN-o (Mikael Nordfeldth) published a blog piece announcing that they'd rolled out a change to their WebFinger implementation, adding backwards-compatible support for the RFC7033 version;
"Plus of course the former RFC6415 (Web Host Metadata), which StatusNet supports (but only XRD format)."
For those who don't know, masrodon.social was created to federate with #GnuSocial servers.
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Diese Frage stellt sich mir so nicht.
Ich bin seit 2008, oft mit eigenen Instanzen, im #Fediverse.
Zuerst auf #Identica, #Pumpio, #StatusNet und #GnuSocial, bis heute mit #Mastodon und #Diaspora.
Auch bei #Misskey, #Pleroma, #GoToSocial, #Friendica, #Hubzilla. #WriteFreely und #Pixelfed hatte ich Abstecher gemacht und diese Systeme getestet. Schlussendlich bin ich eben bei Mastodon und Diaspora hängengeblieben.
Da beutetet aber nicht, dass ich nicht weiterhin die Augen aufhalten und andere Projekte ausprobieren werde, und wer weiß, vielleicht ist irgendwann ja doch ein Wechsel für mich fällig. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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El #fediverso y las #redessociales alternativas, son una oportunidad de libre expresión.
Ayudemos en conjunto a su difusión y crecimiento #impulsando sus plataformas
¿Cuáles usas? Deja tus instancias en los comentarios.
Alternativa a #x y #threads
1 #mastodon
2 #bluesky
3 #gnusocialAlternativa a #facebook
1 #diaspora
2 #friendica
3 #socialhomeAlternativa a #instagram
1 #pixelfedAlternativa a #youtube
1 #peertubeAlternativa a #spotify y #potcasts
1 #funkwhale
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Whoa!!!
Ok, that reminds me of a question I've been meaning to ask...
How exactly to we count the beginning of the #Fediverse?
I know it's older than #Mastodon, for sure.
Do we just go as far back as #GnuSocial?
What about #Identica? Does that count?
Also, what software did #Quitter run? Did it use #ActivityPub?
I have so many questions as a... somewhat newbie (2018) to the #Fediverse.
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If you are on a quest for a blogging platform, you could also consider Friendica:
https://friendi.ca/
It connects to the Fediverse and much more (bluesky, diaspora, email, discourse..). It offers more than Mastodon technically but it is way behind in terms of design with its Facebook 2010 look.#friendica #mastodon #fediverse #socialmedia #bluesky #email #diaspora #blog #pumpio #gnusocial #pleroma #pixelfed #wordpress #tumblr #rss #facebook #decentralization
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Who remembers back when #Mastodon was causing serious load issues for existing #GNUSocial servers by fetching the original posts back in the #OStatus days? #Fedi #Fediverse -
Gnihihi, in alten Dateien gewühlt, eigentlich was ganz anderes gesucht...
Das gefunden... 6.September 2014 #statusnet #quitter #gnusocial #fediverseLiebe Twitterer,
unser Ansturm auf Quitter(https://quitter.se) hat offenbar den Server ( http://old.quitter.se) arg belastet.
Dadurch wird die Seite langsam, was schon viele von euch bemängelt haben. Es lässt sich jedoch ganz einfach vermeiden.
Wie ich an mir selbst festgestellt habe, ist die ganze Sache nicht so ohne Weiteres für jeden verständlich...
Der Server, also old.quitter.se ist einer von vielen im StatusNet. Eine Liste möglicher Server im Statusnet findet ihr hier:
http://www.skilledtests.com/wiki/List_of_Independent_Statusnet_Instances
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Ihr könnt euch bei jedem x-beliebigen dieser Server einen Account anmelden. Es muss nicht zwingend old.quitter.se sein. Nehmt bitte einen anderen!!
.... Also, seid bitte so nett, und richtet euch eure Accounts nicht alle bei quitter.se ein, nutzt auch die vielen
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📚 Mastodon History
Back in February 23rd, 2016 — Mastodon first described itself as:
“Mastodon is a federated microblogging engine. An alternative implementation of the GNU Social project.”
The history of Mastodon is tied to GNU Social.
https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/blob/fa33750105389110a3395ca19167f789d21a149e/README.md
https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/tree/fa33750105389110a3395ca19167f789d21a149e
#DeSo #Fediverse #FediverseHIstory #GNUSocial #Mastodon #MastodonHistory
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@cy
The people who wrote the Fediverse
There were no "people who wrote the Fediverse". These was no committee who laid down the standards.
The Fediverse was invented by @Evan Prodromou. In 2008. By first creating a centralised Twitter alternative silo named Identi.ca.
And then open-sourcing the underlying technology as Laconi.ca, later StatusNet (merged into GNU social in 2013).
And then laying the protocol open as OpenMicroBlogging, later superseded by OStatus.
Then, in 2010, @Mike Macgirvin ?️ decided that the world needs a free, open-source, decentralised, secure alternative to Facebook that's better than Facebook. And so he made Mistpark, today Friendica.
But the features he wanted Friendica to have were impossible to achieve with any existing protocol. OStatus wasn't even that good for microblogging, much less Mike's ambitious plans. Besides, he's an experienced protocol designer. So he created a whole new protocol, DFRN, and built Friendica on top of it. Friendica did adopt OStatus as an extra protocol, though, because Friendica's goal was and still is to federate with everything and then some.
In 2011, Mike had seen many public Friendica nodes shut down with or without warning and people always losing everything and having to start over from scratch. So he decided to do something against it.
He invented nomadic identity. And built a new protocol around it, Zot, because there was no way DFRN could take care of this, let alone OStatus.
In 2012, he forked Friendica into Red and rewrote the whole backend against Zot, which, however, required the creation of yet another identity scheme.
For one, one login could now have multiple fully separate and independent identities on it. For example, my Hubzilla channel URL is https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/channel/jupiter_rowland.
Besides, one identity could now reside on multiple server instances which is what nomadic identity means.
Red was later renamed Red Matrix and, in 2015, refactored, redesigned and renamed into Hubzilla.
Mastodon and Pleroma started in 2016 as OStatus-based alternative UIs for GNU social. Mastodon was the first to be turned into a stand-alone project with not much interest in connecting to anything outside, all in spite of already being federated with Pleroma, GNU social, Friendica and Hubzilla via OStatus.
ActivityPub came out in 2017. No, not 2018. It was standardised in 2018. But it came out in 2017.
In July, 2017, Hubzilla was the first Fediverse project to integrate ActivityPub. Next to its own Zot, next to diaspora*, next to OStatus etc. On the one hand, Hubzilla tried to stay as close to the ActivityPub spec as possible and feasible. On the other hand, Hubzilla had to make its ActivityPub integration, which has always been an optional add-on, compatible to its own technology, to its own Zot protocol, to the way it works.
In September, Mastodon was the second Fediverse project to adopt ActivityPub. But Mastodon was more interested in doing its own thing and being as close to Twitter as it could than in sticking to a protocol spec, much less connecting to non-Mastodon stuff such as Hubzilla with which it already shared two protocols now.
Mastodon was the one that added Webfinger. ActivityPub doesn't even require Webfinger. The ActivityPub spec doesn't contain Webfinger. But Mastodon requires Webfinger. It can't live without Webfinger. So everything that wants to properly federate with Mastodon needs to implement Webfinger.
After ActivityPub had become a standard, more projects adopted it. But as lax a specification as ActivityPub is, it allowed for a lot of liberties.
Some devs looked at how Mastodon had integrated ActivityPub, decided it was rubbish and did it their own way.
Some devs looked at how Mastodon had integrated ActivityPub, decided they couldn't do it the same way because what they did was too different from Mastodon and did it their own way.
Some devs didn't look at what anyone else did and did it their own way.
Probably none of them looked at how Hubzilla had integrated ActivityPub because none of them even knew that Hubzilla existed. Except for those who were maintaining Friendica now. And Friendica had to make it compatible with DFRN and with the way it had been working since 2010.
Fast-forward to 2023. Mike's current piece of work was the streams repository which contains an intentionally nameless fork of a fork of three forks of a fork (of a fork) of Hubzilla, slimmed down from Hubzilla, but modernised and technologically even more advanced.
It was then that @silverpill, creator and maintainer of Mitra, got into contact with him because he wanted to add nomadic identity to Mitra. Something that's built on ActivityPub and only supports ActivityPub. A first. No-one had ever done nomadic identity with nothing but ActivityPub before.
So the two started working on how to implement nomadic identity using only ActivityPub. Mike had a vision of a Fediverse with nomadic identity all over and Fediverse identities cloned beyond server application borders. Like, a (streams) channel cloned to Mitra, Mastodon, PeerTube and Mobilizon, all with the same identity.
This, however, required another, brand-new way of identifying Fediverse actors. And so FEP-ef61 "Portable Objects" was created.
We're probably in the middle of xkcd 927 now.
Mike set up an experimental branch of (streams) to develop and test nomadic identity via ActivityPub, also since (streams) already had nomadic identity anyway.
Around summer, the "nomadic" branch (for nomadic identity via ActivityPub) seemed reliable enough to merge it into "dev". And in July, "dev" was merged into "release", complete with nomadic-identity-via-ActivityPub code.
It was shortly after that merge that I created my two (streams) channels. The channel URL of my channel for Fediverse memes is https://streams.elsmussols.net/channel/fedimemes_on_streams. But its DID, which all channels created on accounts registered after that merge got, is https://streams.elsmussols.net/.well-known/apgateway/did:key:z6Mkf2dhUa65zBYCNVqs3AHyt8uPixauZ7bPzEJn15LJANsd/actor. And that's only two IDs of the same channel. There are also others for (streams)' native Nomad protocol, Hubzilla's Zot6 protocol, ActivityPub, OAuth, OAuth2 and probably also OpenWebAuth magic single sign-on, another one of Mike's creations. Not to mention that (streams) channels, like Hubzilla channels and Friendica accounts, can also optionally be group actors.
In fact, this blew up into (streams) users' faces because (streams) confused the various IDs to such degrees that it wouldn't federate at all anymore. It took Mike a whole lot of work to iron this out again, so much that he officially retired from Fediverse development on August 31st.
And in the middle of this, he even created yet another fork, Forte, which is (streams) minus Nomad, minus Zot6, based on and supporting only ActivityPub. My guess is still that one of the reasons to create Forte at that point was to get rid of the Nomad and Zot6 IDs to sort the ID mess out.
Even if nomadic identity via ActivityPub should ever become stable and start spreading, I don't expect DIDs to become the one norm in the Fediverse. Not with all those barely or unmaintained projects and those devs who refuse to acknowledge that devs of other projects do great stuff, too.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #OStatus #DFRN #Zot #ActivityPub #Nomad #Laconi.ca #Identi.ca #StatusNet #GNUsocial #Friendica #Hubzilla #Mastodon #Pleroma #Streams #(streams) #Forte #FEP_ef61 -
From @tonytins on the history of the Fediverse, Mastodon, and ActivityPub, and how it has similarities to Bluesky's history.
https://github.com/pixelfed/pixelfed/issues/5348#issuecomment-2481224759
#ActivityPub #BlueSky #DeSo #GNUSocial #Mastodon #OStatus #StatusNet
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Abrí este perfil a finales de 2019 cuando #Mastodon ya era una realidad, aunque antes había tenido en #gnusocial y #quitter (sí, así soy de viejo). He decidido que voy a empezar a colaborar económicamente con el mantenimiento de esta red. Para ello, en unos días (espero que no muchos) comenzaré la mudanza a una instancia más "cercana". Espero no romper nada.
Si alguien por aquí ha cambiado recientemente de instancia (una exportación) y quiere compartir su experiencia, gracias de antemano. -
@Expert Plus 🍀
The only 3 social media that are currently surviving as Twitter alternatives are Bluesky, Mastodon and Threads.
GNU social?
Pleroma?
Akkoma?
Misskey?
Firefish?
Iceshrimp?
Sharkey?
Catodon?
Meisskey?
Tanukey?
Just to name a few?
They're all part of the Fediverse. They're all connected to Mastodon. And they're micro-blogging projects, just like Mastodon.
Mastodon is not the Fediverse. The Fediverse is not only Mastodon.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #GNUsocial #Pleroma #Akkoma #Misskey #Forkey #Forkeys #Firefish #Iceshrimp #Sharkey #Catodon #Meisskey #Tanukey #NotOnlyMastodon #FediverseIsNotMastodon #MastodonIsNotTheFediverse -
@Expert Plus 🍀
The only 3 social media that are currently surviving as Twitter alternatives are Bluesky, Mastodon and Threads.
GNU social?
Pleroma?
Akkoma?
Misskey?
Firefish?
Iceshrimp?
Sharkey?
Catodon?
Meisskey?
Tanukey?
Just to name a few?
They're all part of the Fediverse. They're all connected to Mastodon. And they're micro-blogging projects, just like Mastodon.
Mastodon is not the Fediverse. The Fediverse is not only Mastodon.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #GNUsocial #Pleroma #Akkoma #Misskey #Forkey #Forkeys #Firefish #Iceshrimp #Sharkey #Catodon #Meisskey #Tanukey #NotOnlyMastodon #FediverseIsNotMastodon #MastodonIsNotTheFediverse -
@Expert Plus 🍀
The only 3 social media that are currently surviving as Twitter alternatives are Bluesky, Mastodon and Threads.
GNU social?
Pleroma?
Akkoma?
Misskey?
Firefish?
Iceshrimp?
Sharkey?
Catodon?
Meisskey?
Tanukey?
Just to name a few?
They're all part of the Fediverse. They're all connected to Mastodon. And they're micro-blogging projects, just like Mastodon.
Mastodon is not the Fediverse. The Fediverse is not only Mastodon.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #GNUsocial #Pleroma #Akkoma #Misskey #Forkey #Forkeys #Firefish #Iceshrimp #Sharkey #Catodon #Meisskey #Tanukey #NotOnlyMastodon #FediverseIsNotMastodon #MastodonIsNotTheFediverse -
@Expert Plus 🍀
The only 3 social media that are currently surviving as Twitter alternatives are Bluesky, Mastodon and Threads.
GNU social?
Pleroma?
Akkoma?
Misskey?
Firefish?
Iceshrimp?
Sharkey?
Catodon?
Meisskey?
Tanukey?
Just to name a few?
They're all part of the Fediverse. They're all connected to Mastodon. And they're micro-blogging projects, just like Mastodon.
Mastodon is not the Fediverse. The Fediverse is not only Mastodon.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #GNUsocial #Pleroma #Akkoma #Misskey #Forkey #Forkeys #Firefish #Iceshrimp #Sharkey #Catodon #Meisskey #Tanukey #NotOnlyMastodon #FediverseIsNotMastodon #MastodonIsNotTheFediverse -
@Expert Plus 🍀
The only 3 social media that are currently surviving as Twitter alternatives are Bluesky, Mastodon and Threads.
GNU social?
Pleroma?
Akkoma?
Misskey?
Firefish?
Iceshrimp?
Sharkey?
Catodon?
Meisskey?
Tanukey?
Just to name a few?
They're all part of the Fediverse. They're all connected to Mastodon. And they're micro-blogging projects, just like Mastodon.
Mastodon is not the Fediverse. The Fediverse is not only Mastodon.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #GNUsocial #Pleroma #Akkoma #Misskey #Forkey #Forkeys #Firefish #Iceshrimp #Sharkey #Catodon #Meisskey #Tanukey #NotOnlyMastodon #FediverseIsNotMastodon #MastodonIsNotTheFediverse -
Los que nos aguantamos a Diaspora* a gnusocial y a pump.io vacíos somos los que no dejamos morir estas redes. #diaspora #gnusocial #pumpio
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If you haven't heard, sadly, #ChirpSocial, one of the popular #ActivityPub “groups” platform, is shutting down “probably” on February 29th.
In an email they sent to admins, the owner and developer can no longer support https://chirp.social financially as they failed to find a new job after they were laid off by #Google last year.
So, if you have a Chirp.Social groups, either move to #Guppe (https://a.gup.pe) (as suggested by Chirp.Social), or if I may, to #FediaIO (https://fedia.io), an #Mbin [flagship] instance.
This reminds us the importance of having a built-in groups feature, and one where the groups feature actually federates.
Back in 2008, when the #Fediverse was born, we did have a built-in federated groups in #Laconica / #StatusNet (today known as #GNUsocial). We used bang (!) instead of at (@). A built-in groups feature is more stable as established instances can host them.
Today, we have #Friendica and #Hubzilla (as well as #Streams-based instances) to fill in that, as groups is a built-in feature in those software products. It's just a matter of finding an instance that's open to hosting groups for any topic for the ActivityPub protocol.
That said, any Friendica, Hubzilla, Streams-based instances you suggest for groups?
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@smallcircles
To be fair, we get a sense that many instances are operated by those who are invested in highly questionable endeavours, which make them function similarly to a large corporation.One of the goals of Fediverse proponents like us is to make setting up secure instances fairly easy, and not too burdensome. We think #Mastodon isn't able to provide such, but with #BloatFE and no javascript, maybe it can.
We wonder how #GNUSocial and I2P-friendly #Epicyon (eg. #LibreServer) might help.
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@boris_pohler Warum Mastodon?
Muss eh nicht. Kann ruhig auch #Firefish, #Pixelfed, #Peertube, #Hubzilla, #Misskey, #Foundkey, #Pleroma, #GoToSocial, #Bonfire, #Goldfish, #Friendica, #WriteFreely, #Lemmy, #Kbin, #Plume, #Akkoma, #Epicyon, #GNUSocial, #Hometown, #Smalltown, #Socialhome, #Streams, #Swanye, #Tahake, #Castopod, #Funkwhale, #Owncast, #Gancio, #Mobilizon, #NextCloudSocial, #Inventaire, #BookWyrm oder sonst was im #Fediverse sein.
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Found 75 new servers found and 41 servers de-listed since 9 hours ago. Check out the Monthly and Daily Stats by software or server or the entire fediverse.
25,824 servers checked. 12,588,014 Total Users, 1,677,920 Monthly Active Users today vs 2,122,962 yesterday for the entire fediverse.
New #fediverse servers found:
peertube.wtf a #peertube server from Denmark
toot.scenetin.net a #mastodon server from South Korea
m.mmw.im a #misskey server from Private
social.barkdog.org a #epicyon server from United States
cb.bibi.moe a #gnusocial server from Japan
qune.jp a #mastodon server from Japan
misskey.lazyhoge.foo a #misskey server from Japan
pettanko.art a #mastodon server from United States
505-notfound.monster a #mastodon server from Japan
lemmy.sebathefox.dk a #lemmy server from Germany
kameuo.turtton.net a #firefish server from Private
mk.h-e.top a #misskey server from Private
cx.opantu.jp a #misskey server from Private
firefish.fosshost.com a #firefish server from United Kingdom
mastodon.solidairesfinancespubliques.org a #mastodon server from France
misskey.ashigayahomura.com a #misskey server from Private
firefish.helvet.online a #firefish server from Germany
pixelfed.waynetec.us a #pixelfed server from Private
cloud.tilera.xyz a #tilera cloud server from Germany
peertube.helvetet.eu a #peertube server from Sweden
gotosocial.miikka.dev a #gotosocial server from United States
masto.spottyer.one a #mastodon server from France
via.jgd.ovh a #mastodon server from France
news.fedibot.social a #fedibot news server from United States
belaska.me a #writefreely server from Private
social.verstandlxs.com a #mastodon server from Germany
social.saw.dev a #mastodon server from France
videos.2mg.club a #peertube server from Private
burnout.cafe a #mastodon server from Germany
mastodon.unshakld.com a #mastodon server from France
sivar.social a #akkoma server from Netherlands
social.nisso.dev a #gotosocial server from United States
social.annielabs.xyz a #misskey server from Japan
pqcdao.com a #mastodon server from Singapore
peertube.urkob.com a #peertube server from Germany
pixelcloud.work a #pixel cloud server from Germany
cloud.jaykayenn.net a #nextcloud social server from Malaysia
tsunami-art.com a #misskey server from United States
mixsocial.network a #mastodon server from United States
centro-app-dev.web.app a #centro server from United States
video.mikepj.dev a #peertube server from United States
stream.genky.duckdns.org a #owncast server from Canada
blog.einval.net a #writefreely server from United States
social.heinlein-support.de a #mastodon server from Germany
stream.philipmooney.com a #owncast server from Ireland
weather.fedibot.social a #fedibot weather server from United States
blog.yrk06.dev a #writefreely server from United States
learnk8s.news a #mastodon server from Portugal
mastodon.ppstudio.one a #mastodon server from Thailand
mastodon.eew.dk a #mastodon server from Denmark
mtkultra.com a #writefreely server from United States
mixedwrestling.masto.host a #mastodon server from France
video.logansimic.com a #peertube server from Australia
developerszion.com a #mastodon server from United States
pix.myrkit.com a #pixelfed server from Private
wabz.ca a #mastodon server from Canada
liyhu.social a #mastodon server from Portugal
pixelfed.mags.ai a #pixelfed server from Private
masto.progaming.co.th a #mastodon server from France
lotz.cloud a #mastodon server from Germany
berkough.com a #writefreely server from United States
social.robviously.me a #mastodon server from France
cumulus.uba.be a #nextcloud social server from Germany
social.kwaite.fr a #pixelfed server from France
blog.moskva.tk a #writefreely server from Sweden
blog.britton.me a #writefreely server from United States
crec.social a #mastodon server from Private
live.tackoor.tv a #owncast server from United States
gts.meetfriendly.codes a #gotosocial server from Private
drcassone-tv-u6495.vm.elestio.app a #peertube server from United States
weloveautomation.xyz a #lemmy server from Private
firefish.schatzkarten.net a #firefish server from Austria
m.feyo.pw a #mastodon server from Finland
lemmy.akagigahara.site a #lemmy server from Germany
mstdn.momiji-ka.com a #mastodon server from JapanDe-Listed servers: mastodon.eltrincagoti.ynh.fr
someserver.link
lemmy.deabreu.family
notparticularly.social
microblog.davidmckeitch.com
birdsite.tableflip.zone
lmy.ainyataovi.net
mastodon.tylergoza.com
social.stilic.ml
mastodon.brandon-roff.com
forum.basedcount.com
calckey.potetotown.com
lemmy.johnpanos.com
nightly.happyoss.y-zu.org
www.mikkoqsto.com
cy.berwa.re
nemosphere.space
social.thenetwork.earth
nekoeki.org
48club.social
post.hillenius.net
social.nyaafire.com
lemmy.jbesse.info
lemmy.fun
live.clic12.distrilab.fr
passive.edtrots.com
mastodon.com.de
mastodon.gerkenator.com
finsup.site
mastodon.gchq.icu
social.khushrajrathod.com
pub.arjose.org
twintail.club
www.simonprior.com
kimikodover.ddns.net
social.jhilgert.de
soc.avigny.fr
app1.mydns.gov.tt
dogbox.social
misskey.foss.gay
pr-57-br3j54i-nlw7xhb3fyt7y.uk-1.platformsh.siteHelp others find a home, send them to fediverse.observer
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@LionsPhil @nicuveo
When we say #BotFarmTimeline we mean the #ExploreTimeline, of course, designed to favour entities with #botFarms backing them.Mastodon should also restore their javascript-free interface that was recently dropped.
We really need to see other server types like #Epicyon (named after a type of big wild canine), #GNUSocial, and #FireFish gainmore developer interest.
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@Piky_Nieves @bufetalmeida Solo comentar que el fediverso y las redes federadas son más antiguas que Mastodón. Yo, y unos cuantos más, estábamos aquí ántes que Mastodon. #gnusocial #quitter #friendica #fediverso
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@fastfinge What if I told you that just about the whole Fediverse supports quotes, only Mastodon doesn't?
What if I told you that #MastodonIsNotTheFediverse? What if I told you that I myself am not on Mastodon, although this post of mine has appeared on your timeline?
What if I told you that, in fact, the Fediverse has been around for much longer than Mastodon?
What if I told you that it started in 2008 with something called Laconi.ca, now known as #GNUsocial (#^https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_social)
Okay, GNU social doesn't really count as part of today's Fediverse because it doesn't support #ActivityPub. And okay, it wasn't called the Fediverse back then but the #FederatedSocialWeb. But still, the whole concept isn't new. It was not invented by Eugen Rochko.
Still, even today's Fediverse is more than Mastodon and older than Mastodon. And just about everything that isn't Mastodon supports quotes while still being fully federated with Mastodon.
But let me elaborate (warning, this post is over 12 times as long as a toot can possibly be):
#Friendica (#^https://friendi.ca, #^https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendica, #^https://joinfediverse.wiki/Special:MyLanguage/What_is_Friendica%3F) was launched in July 2010. That was six years before Mastodon. It was created by a guy named Mike Macgirvin as a decentralised, distributed, federated replacement for Facebook. No, not Twitter. Facebook.
From the very beginning, it had many features which Mastodon users keep demanding today. Including quotes. Again, when Mastodon was launched, Friendica had had these features in daily productive use for six years already.
And yet, people don't use quotes to harass others by "stealing" discussions. This is technically impossible on Friendica due to its architecture which is more like Facebook or a blog or a forum and less like Twitter or Mastodon. Threads aren't stand-alone posts floating around the timelines, loosely tied together by increasing numbers of mentions. Instead, they're start-post-and-comments structures. Replies aren't stand-alone posts. Replies are comments firmly tied to one start post by Friendica's internal structure.
Oh, and Friendica doesn't run on ActivityPub. It has its own internal protocol, #DFRN. Still, Friendica quickly created an ActivityPub connector and federated with Mastodon, thus becoming part of the Fediverse. Friendica federates with a whole lot of projects and platforms. In fact, there is a growing number of forums mostly frequented by Mastodon users which run on Friendica, such as FediverseNews.
I myself am on #Hubzilla (#^https://hubzilla.org, #^https://joinfediverse.wiki/Special:MyLanguage/What_is_Hubzilla%3F). It started life in 2012, still four years before Mastodon, as a fork of Friendica, created by Friendica's own inventor. In 2011 already, Mike had conceived an even more powerful protocol named #Zot which comes with features that are outright utterly unimaginable for Mastodon users such as #NomadicIdentity. Hubzilla even had its first stable release before Mastodon was launched.
And Hubzilla still has almost all the features Friendica has with a whole lot more on top. Again, including quotes. Again, yes, before Mastodon refused to have them. And again, yes, without anyone misusing them for harassment.
And again, it's part of the Fediverse and federated with Mastodon. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to read this.
I should also mention that both Friendica and Hubzilla have technical barriers in the way of publicly quoting private or restricted posts, at least with references/a connection to the quoted post. Hubzilla in particular has access rights control on a level you couldn't possibly imagine in your wildest dreams.
And just about everything else in the Fediverse that's microblogging or macroblogging has official, built-in quote support.- #Pleroma (#^https://pleroma.social/, #^https://joinfediverse.wiki/What_is_Pleroma%253F) has quotes. And it's part of the Fediverse and federated with Mastodon.
- #Akkoma (#^https://akkoma.social/), a Pleroma fork, has quotes. And it's part of the Fediverse and federated with Mastodon.
- #MissKey (#^https://misskey-hub.net/en/, #^https://joinfediverse.wiki/What_is_Misskey%253F) has quotes. And it's part of the Fediverse and federated with Mastodon.
- #CalcKey (#^https://calckey.cloud/, #^https://joinfediverse.wiki/What_is_Calckey%3F) has quotes. And it's part of the Fediverse and federated with Mastodon.
- #FoundKey (#^https://akkoma.dev/FoundKeyGang/FoundKey) has quotes. And it's part of the Fediverse and federated with Mastodon.
- #GoToSocial (#^https://docs.gotosocial.org/, #^https://joinfediverse.wiki/What_is_GoToSocial%3F) has quotes. And it's part of the Fediverse and federated with Mastodon.
- #Socialhome (#^https://socialhome.network/) has quotes. And it's part of the Fediverse and federated with Mastodon.
Yes, they're all federated with Mastodon. This means that users of any of these projects, including Friendica and Hubzilla, can read Mastodon posts and quote them in their replies, and these replies, in turn, can be read on Mastodon.
Okay, so the Fediverse has two, three, four... ten projects, and all but Mastodon support quotes, and nowhere are there people demanding the feature be removed due to rampant harassment?
No, these are only the microblogging and macroblogging projects, and only those of the macroblogging projects that aren't primarily for long-form blogging, i.e. that aren't mimicking Medium, that aren't mimicking WordPress, that aren't #Wordpress itself. Yes, there are WordPress blogs in the Fediverse, federated with Mastodon.
In fact, the Fediverse is even much, much bigger than that (#^https://fediverse.party/en/miscellaneous/, #^https://the-federation.info/).
Now go block me for harassing you, for being an ableist swine because I treat blind people equally instead of mollycoddling them wherever possibly, even for being a fascist or just for shattering your worldview into itty bitty pieces. This post of mine stands.
CC @Patrick, the Linux guy so that you know that the Fediverse is more than Mastodon, too
Also CC @Ada @James - #Pleroma (#^https://pleroma.social/, #^https://joinfediverse.wiki/What_is_Pleroma%253F) has quotes. And it's part of the Fediverse and federated with Mastodon.
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* Been on #Mastodon since the beginning: 2017-04-05 (although Mastodon was first released in 2016). Oh, wow, just turned 6 years since I created my first Mastodon-software account and my first #Toot (as it was called then).
— Original protocol: #OStatus
— My first Mastodon-software account was with aleph.land
— I was still running my own #Hubzilla instance at this time.* But, I've been on the #Fediverse since the beginning: 2008 ^_^
— The first instance was: #Identica
— The first software was: #Laconica — which was later renamed to #StatusNet; and then merged with #GnuSocial and #FreeSocial. The surviving brand is GNU Social, but the code is, afaik, Laconica/StatusNet.
— The first protocol was #OpenMicroBlogging (not to be confused with the second fediverse software #OpenMicroBlogger)
— Other than the flagship, the largest instance (2008) was “The TWiT Army Canteen”. (Surviving photo: https://www.flickr.com/photos/twitarmyflickr/3379859096/ [archived, just in case, only found it today])More on the history: https://codeberg.org/ddfon/federated-sns
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@Brennan Stehling It isn't even the first. Not even for social networking.
Laconica = #StatusNet = #GNUsocial was the first. It was what drove Identi.ca. That was in 2008.
Then, in 2010, came #DFRN, the internal protocol created for and used by #Friendica. (Friendica can also use ActivityPub, that's how you can post on @Fediverse News.)
A bit later, also in 2010, came the internal protocol created for and used by #Diaspora.
In 2011 came #Zot, the first protocol that went beyond decentralisation and federation and introduced #NomadicIdentity. Starting the next year, it became the technical basis of what is known today as #Hubzilla. (Hubzilla can use ActivityPub as well, that's how you can read this post of mine. But its nomadic features don't translate fully to ActivityPub.)
All of this was before #ActivityPub.
The newest version of Zot, Zot/11, was renamed #Nomad and has been used by #Streams since last year. And (streams) being a "fork me and build something nice out of me" code repository rather than a run-as-is branded platform like Mastodon or Hubzilla indicates that Nomad, much like Zot, is quite versatile, as does the fact that Hubzilla's entire huge set of features is made nomadic by Zot.
Oh, and by the way, e-mail and #XMPP predate them all. And there's also #Matrix, for example.
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@Ada @defcon42/Mirko @[email protected] To me, it sounds more like some #Mastodon users, especially those who came in through the #TwitterMigration, actually can't stand there being something else in the #Fediverse than their beloved Mastodon. When they caught their first glimpse of the Fediverse beyond Mastodon, they reacted much like the people of Krikkit when they caught their first glimpse of the universe beyond Krikkit: "It has to go!"
They make themselves and each other believe that Mastodon is superior to any other Fediverse project in just about any regard imaginable while apparently completely refusing to learn about those other projects. They're supported in their belief by mass media only ever writing about Mastodon and the number of Mastodon users.
However, mass media only write about Mastodon because they simply don't know a thing about the rest of the Fediverse, and they didn't know a thing about Mastodon until the #TwitterTakeover had actually happened, and the second wave of former #birbsite users had come flooding into Mastodon in such numbers that it was impossible to ignore even for those who act as if #FLOSS doesn't exist.
As for the numbers of Mastodon users, they're so high because I guess more than 90% of all Mastodon users still don't know that the Fediverse is not only Mastodon, because they have never heard of anything else in the Fediverse. Mastodon was pretty much the only Fediverse project advertised on #BirbSocial when this was still possible.
There are various reasons why Mastodon users don't spread across the Fediverse in masses. None of it is because Mastodon is superior to everything else because, truth be told, it isn't. I'll come to this later. One reason is, again, that the vast majority of them still don't know anything else. Another one is because it was hard enough to get used to Mastodon after years of using #Twitter, and they don't want to get used to yet another platform. And another one is that it's hard to move from Mastodon to something else and take your account or at least your connections with you.
Another reason may be because people don't need anything beyond microblogging, and that's what Mastodon does. Now, sorry for all those of you who fight tooth and claw to defend Mastodon against the competition, but #Akkoma does microblogging, too. With extra features beyond Mastodon, some of which Mastodon users have been pestering Eugen Rochko to include in Mastodon for ages (e.g. "quote retweet"). All while being more lightweight and requiring fewer server resources than Mastodon. Oh, and it federates with Mastodon.
Other Fediverse projects aren't even competition for Mastodon because they specialise in something else. @Pixelfed specialises in posting pictures, much like #Instagram. @PeerTube specialises in video upload and streaming, not too dissimilarly from #YouTube. #Plume and #WriteFreely specialise in distraction-free traditional blogging, much like #Medium. #Lemmy specialises in groups and posting and discussing news, much like #Reddit or #HackerNews. You can't claim that Mastodon is better at each of these things than these platforms.
And then there are the jacks-of-all-trades which are usually filed under either "macroblogging" or "like #Facebook ". They weren't launched to have something that goes beyond Mastodon because their history reaches far back before Mastodon. Mastodon was launched in 2016 (and not 2022 like many believe). #Friendica was launched in early 2010, even before the crowdfunding campaign for the development of #Diaspora started. And in that early stage, Friendica, then still named #Mistpark, was vastly more powerful than Diaspora* ever got and also vastly more powerful than Mastodon 13 years later.
#Hubzilla, created by the same man as Friendica, is the most extreme one of them all. For starters, it eliminates the need for multiple accounts by having multiple independent channels with separate identities on the same account. Each channel can have multiple profiles like on Friendica so you can present your channel differently to individual contacts or groups of them and differently again to the general public.
It can do micro- and macroblogging with 50,000 or more characters and just about everything that can be done with #BBcode (italics, bold type, underline, lists with bullet points or numbers, quotes,code blocks), and you can embed as many pictures as you want in your posts where you want them instead of them automatically being attached to the end of the post.
Group handling in Hubzilla is much easier than list handling in Mastodon. You never have to type the name of a contact to find them. You can edit contacts and add them to groups or remove them, and you can edit groups and add or remove contacts, all with a few mouse clicks. And while Mastodon shows a maximum of four lists on the main page, Hubzilla will give you easy access to all your groups.
On top of that, you can have- very fine-grained access rights control with pre-definable contact roles
- forums (just like Friendica, Hubzilla has #Guppe built in)
- more elegant macroblogging with articles which, in addition to BBcode, support #Markdown
- simple webpages (or not so simple if you're the admin of a hub, and you can expand it further)
- wikis (I'm not even kidding)
- a public calendar
- a virtually unlimited number of private calendars with #CalDAV connection
- a virtually unlimited number of address books with #CardDAV connection
- a file server with #WebDAV connection with its own access rights management which also ties in with the Photos and optional Gallery app (Mastodon drops your pictures somewhere, Hubzilla lets you upload them to your personal cloud space where you can access them whenever you want)
All with one run-of-the-mill Hubzilla account. And once per channel, separately.
And as if that wasn't enough, Hubzilla introduced the #Zot protocol and with it a concept named #NomadicIdentity.
Mastodon and Friendica let you have multiple accounts, even on separate instances. They also support migration from one account to another, and unlike Mastodon, Friendica lets you take all your content with you. Hubzilla (and #Streams, the successor of its slimmed-down successor, still created by the same guy) goes even further: Not only can you easily move from one hub to another, you can have channels on multiple hubs and automatically keep them fully in sync! If one hub goes down, it doesn't matter because you've got everything on all your other accounts.
Last but not least, both Friendica and Hubzilla federate with almost everything that moves, even far beyond the #ActivityPub Fediverse. This could be Diaspora*, this could be #GNUsocial, this could be #Wordpress blogs with or without the ActivityPub add-on, this could be RSS feeds (and they both generate feeds themselves, so this is bidirectional, too), this could even be Twitter until the API is shuttered. Friendica even used to federate with Facebook until Facebook put rocks in the way; this is the only connector that Hubzilla didn't take over.
The obvious downside is that for someone who just came in from the #birdcage, all this is utter overkill. In fact, people who are used to Mastodon may find Friendica borderline unusuable due to its many features. And Hubzilla is so infamous for its own clumsy UI capitulating before its sheer power that even Friendica users find it hard to use, fresh converts from Twitter to Mastodon even more so.
Some design decisions may be hard to understand for outsiders. Converts from other Fediverse projects to Hubzilla regularly fail at something as seemingly similar as connecting to users on other ActivityPub-based projects until you tell them that ActivityPub is an optional app on Hubzilla that has to be activated first because Hubzilla concentrates on Zot with its Nomadic Identity.
Also, just because these projects offer so much power, that doesn't mean that everyone needs it. If you do, it can be convenient to have it all under one login. But if all you're looking for is a bit of microblogging and online socialising, you don't need to drag a CMS and a full-blown cloud server with all bells and whistles along with you that just clutter up the UI. In that case, projects like Mastodon and Akkoma win because they're more approachable.
And while Friendica, Hubzilla & Co. can do threaded discussions and even have something like forums, Lemmy can do this more elegantly because it specialises in it. While you can use Hubzilla's private calendar feature for event planning, it's easier to do the same with #Mobilizon which, again, specialises in it. Or you can host podcasts on Friendica, Hubzilla & Co, but you can host them better on #Funkwhale and even better on #Castopod.
Wanting the Fediverse to be only Mastodon hinders development, namely the development of new projects within the Fediverse that may be able to do all-new things that we haven't seen in the Fediverse yet. Things that, sorry to say again, you'll never be able to do with Mastodon.
P.S.: For extra kicks, don't just read this on Mastodon. Open my original post; there you can see what Hubzilla is capable of, and what Mastodon strips away. - very fine-grained access rights control with pre-definable contact roles
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Streams is basically an acknowledgement that my work has no value to anybody but me.
The lack of popularity for #Friendica, #Hubzilla, #Zap & Co. never came from nobody caring.
It always came from nobody even knowing that they exist in the first place.
In 2010, people were ready and willing to pump a few hundred thousand US dollars into the development of #Diaspora. They hoped that Diaspora* would be a free, decentralised Social Web revolution. But the development of Diaspora* took an eternity, and out came something lack-lustre and underwhelming that spent several years in public alpha.
Why didn't people save their money and use #Friendika instead which was everything they had dreamed of and then some? Which was vastly more powerful in spring 2010 before Diaspora* was developed than Diaspora* itself would ever become? Why was Diaspora* developed in the first place? Why was the wheel re-invented, but worse?
Because nobody knew that Friendika existed. That's why. Diaspora* made it into all big news because its developers a) announced to mass media that they want to compete with #Facebook and b) asked people for crowdfunding, hence the big publicity campaign. If Friendika had been as well-known as, for example, #Firefox, Diaspora* wouldn't exist.
I myself only found Friendika back in the day by actively searching the Web for decentralised social network platforms. It was a thorough, intense search. And I eventually stumbled upon it.
As for Hubzilla, I happened upon it on Friendica when someone mentioned it.
As for #Osada and #Zap, I think it was you who mentioned them within the Hubzilla dev bubble which I occasionally got a glance into. Someone from that bubble also led me to #Misty a.k.a. #Mistpark2020.
As for #Roadhouse and #Streams, I discovered them on Zotlabs by chance. And their Zotlabs pages were never filled with any information on what they are and what they do.
I didn't find out about any of these projects through any form of advertising or publicity campaign, nor did I learn about any of them through tech media.
Only once do I recall that any of these projects has ever been presented at a FLOSS or hacker event. That was years ago at the #ChaosCommunicationCongress where a panel about Friendica was held. But even that panel was like Friendica devs talking to other devs about developing Friendica and Friendica node admins talking to other LAMP stack admins about installing and running Friendica nodes. What Friendica can do was only mentioned briefly. The first step, namely getting people interested in using Friendica as end users to see what it's good for, was skipped entirely. And there was no info booth, there was no promotional material, there were no flyers, no nothing. Even #OpenStreetMap had flyers.
#Mastodon was just lucky. For starters, it was the first free and decentralised microblogging service that was launched in years. The whole #StatusNet and #GNUsocial things had been so long ago that even those few who had come across it barely remembered, so Mastodon didn't seem like it was aping them. And it must have attracted enough disgruntled #birdsite users already then to gain a critical mass.
Before 2022, we already had a situation in which the vast majority of Mastodon users believed that the #Fediverse was Mastodon, and Mastodon was the Fediverse, and there was nothing else out there. Pleroma was already vastly superior to Mastodon technologically, but Mastodon had the critical mass. Still, Mastodon itself was so obscure that #TimBernersLee had never heard of it, much less of any of your projects or Diaspora*, and therefore decided to re-invent the free, open-source, non-commercial, decentralised social wheel all from scratch once more.
When the #TwitterTakeover started looming on the horizon, people started recommending Mastodon on #Twitter. And pretty much only Mastodon because that was all they knew. Again, critical mass. This critical mass enlarged itself in several waves.
I guess not a single birdsite refugee had ever heard of any Fediverse project beyond Mastodon when they joined it, and I guess over 80% still never have. And they keep wondering how people can toot more than 500 characters, whether their Mastodon instance has different settings and such. I know from personal experience that it often takes several attempts to explain to people that, no, I am not on Mastodon, and Hubzilla is not a Mastodon instance.
Mass media don't make it any better. Both general news media and tech media have meanwhile picked up the Mastodon phenomenon, and many have accepted that Mastodon is here to stay. Still, all general news media and nearly all tech media "know" that Mastodon is the Fediverse and vice versa, and that there isn't anything else out there. Some media outlets have joined the Fediverse themselves. They could be way better off with #Akkoma or #Pixelfed or Hubzilla or their own take on Streams. But they're on Mastodon. Why? Because that's all they knew when they got there. Because they've settled with Mastodon before even knowing that there are projects that'd suit them better. And they'll probably never know.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not blaming you personally. I'm not even sure if it's good style for the main dev of a project to go peddling their own work. Making your projects known should have been a task for the whole community. Not only the devs, not only the hub admins, but the users. Because if someone can talk to aspiring users, it's actual users. "If you build it, they will come" has failed, and we should have seen this coming.
Large-scale migration away from proprietary, commercial projects and towards free, open-source, non-commercial alternatives only happens under pressure from outside and even then not always. Large-scale adoption of Firefox in Germany happened when the most widely-used browser was #InternetExplorer 6 which was not only hopelessly outdated but so insecure that the malware spread through it alone caused millions upon millions of Euros in damage. And it only happened because the reaction upon this was our Mother Of The Nation, Federal Chancellor #AngelaMerkel, herself telling the Germans to move from IE6 to Firefox.
And the mass migration from Twitter to Mastodon only happened for two reasons: One, Twitter was threatening to get more and more hard to take. Two, Twitter didn't and still doesn't really have a commercial, corporate-owned, centralised competitor. All possible Twitter alternatives are decentralised #FLOSS. There was nowhere else to go than down the Fediverse route.
Right now, however, I don't see a #Facebook takeover that'd turn it into yet another Nazi hive and cause people to flee to Friendica and/or Hubzilla. Nor does #OlafScholz tell people to quit Facebook and join Friendica/Hubzilla instead. He doesn't even tell people to join Mastodon.
No, growth for Friendica, Hubzilla and Streams still has to come from within. And again, this won't be a task for the core devs. All they'll have to do is tell the community what there is to advertise. But I don't expect anything really new to come anytime soon, seeing as Streams seems to be a be-all, end-all project that can be turned into anything without involvement by the core devs. So we already know what there basically is to advertise. And when it comes to cool new features, we learn about them quickly when new versions come around, and the devs do talk about these beforehand.
So the first step would be to get these projects known outside the #DFRN, #Zot and #Nomad bubble. This would lead us into two different, bigger bubbles. One is the Fediverse which, as I've already mentioned, the vast majority of its own users still sees as synonymous with Mastodon. Granted, we'd have tough competition there, for if someone desires more than 500 characters per post, maybe they're better off with Akkoma or a different Mastodon instance. And federation with Diaspora* is no longer a unique selling point because hardly anyone uses Diaspora* exclusively anymore, so I guess hardly anyone misses the Diaspora* connector on Streams. But maybe a "federated social Swiss army knife" like Friendica or even Hubzilla or a "federated social construction kit" like Streams is exactly what some people are looking for. Remember that the Fediverse alone covers millions of people. 1% of them is slowly but steadily closing in on being 100,000.
The other bubble is the FLOSS scene. This may be more difficult because, curiously, the FLOSS scene barely knows about the Fediverse, even about Mastodon, and thus has barely adopted it. This will be somewhat tougher. Some people in that scene reject social media altogether because they associate social media with corporate spyware, and they've convinced themselves that they don't need any social media (or their social media hub is either a git repository hoster, ironically often a #Microsoft property, or a mailing list). Others have a general dislike towards GUIs, only using ultra-minimalist #i3wm and no pointing devices themselves. Or they cling to the UNIX philosophy that each tool has to be able to only do one thing which gets to the point that they actually use different tools for receiving, composing and sending e-mails. Even Friendica can do too much for their tastes.
Still, I think that other people in the FLOSS bubble may be more welcoming, also because the Fediverse is yet another rather successful attempt at competing against corporate monopolies with FLOSS, with decentralised FLOSS à la #XMPP or #Matrix even. Also, while the #GAFAM bubble sees us as a bunch of idealistic but ultimately successless basement-dwelling nerds, the FLOSS bubble will see us as some of their own ilk doing more cool stuff in addition to all the cool stuff that has already been done. Not to mention that the FLOSS bubble has its own news outlets. We just must not repeat the mistake of only trying to talk to potential devs or potential instance admins. We have to reach out to aspiring end users first and foremost. Devs and admins will come in their wake. FLOSS people aren't keen on developing something they've never even tried using.
Media coverage outside the FLOSS bubble might give us an even wider audience. Sure, it may appear like even specialised tech media aren't interested in anything that isn't commercial. And some outlets do flat-out refuse to publish anything about anything FLOSS, or they only write about whoever pays them to write about them. But generally, they don't have an aversion against FLOSS alternatives to commercial products. Mass media helped Firefox spread. Mass media helped Diaspora* exceed their crowd-funding goal buy suggesting it'll be a Facebook killer. And mass media are right now accepting Mastodon and the Fediverse as the next big thing instead of some wacky nerd stuff. It may actually happen that media outlets which still reject the Fediverse in favour of Twitter will be seen as not only backwards-oriented, but outright right-wing.
It's hard to say how easy it'd be in 2023 to even only get tech media to write about Friendica, Hubzilla or even Streams. On the one hand, there may still be an attitude of, "Nobody wants to read about it if it wasn't launched with venture capital." On the other hand, the Fediverse itself has more than one foot in the door, what with journalists joining Mastodon and entire media outlets launching their own instances. All we have to do is get the knowledge into their heads that the Fediverse is more than Mastodon. Maybe they'll find this discovery so amazing that they'll write about it.
I think Friendica would be the easiest case. Okay, it'll be hard to treat something as cool new stuff if it has been around for 13 years or so. But it isn't so modular, it's more like an all-in-one "black box" of the kind that non-techy types prefer, and it concentrates on social networking and doesn't overwhelm its users with features, at least not that much. Also, it's the closes to being "to Facebook what Mastodon is to Twitter."
Hubzilla could mainly score with its sheer, all-encompassing power. It's certainly the most powerful, most versatile Fediverse project. This, however, may make it too powerful for casuals. It's also more modular than Friendica which means that many cool features, even including #ActivityPub support, have to be activated by the user. That said, Hubzilla's main issues, its user interface which capitulates before its vast amount of features, its documentation which reads more like a technical spec than a user manual and its outdated and less-than-welcoming representation on the Web, are being tackled as we speak (or rather type). Thanks to @Scott M. Stolz, Hubzilla may soon have one or multiple user interfaces that make it much easier to harness its vast power and flexibility.
Streams, or (streams) as some spell it, is still the odd one out. I must admit that even experienced Hubzilla veterans often have a hard time understanding what it actually is, much less Mastodon users, not to mention the GAFAM-only bubble. While bone-stock Streams itself is easier to use than Hubzilla, partly thanks to a reworked UI, partly thanks to lots of features having been cut and therefore no longer cluttering the UI, the whole concept may be confusing to many. It's not only even less of a "black box" than Hubzilla, it isn't a project or even a platform like Mastodon or Friendica at all; it's only a code repository which you can yoink and make something nice out of. Streams says, "Fork me!" It wasn't made to be run vanilla as a Zap successor which is a rather subversive idea. In fact, running Streams as-is is subverting the subversion again; it doesn't help that vanilla Streams makes for a decent Fediverse server already.
So Streams will be difficult to explain even to tinker-happy FLOSS people, its main target audience, and even more so to those who have only just left the commercial, corporate software bubble they had called their cosy home for many years and managed to wrap their minds around Mastodon. What Streams needs more than Hubzilla is reference implementations that show in practice rather than in theory what can be done with it. I mean, it's hard enough to grasp that Hubzilla can serve as a macroblog or a wiki until you've seen it happen with your own eyes.
A typical Hubzilla reference implementation would be a regular instance with all bells and whistles with open registration (until it's full, that is). People can join it, play around with it and make it their social homebase. Along with it, there could be Hubzilla instances that aren't social networking platforms but something different, yet still "powered by Hubzilla" as would be written on them. These could show Hubzilla's versatility. Something you were told is "something like Facebook" suddenly powers a blog. Or a community webpage, including a public event calendar. Or a wiki. Or a personal website with a personal DAV cloud server silently running in the background. Things that make Hubzilla get away with ActivityPub being optional, especially if these websites have nomadic clones. In this case, #Zot only serves to keep the clones in sync.
With Streams, the focus should be vice-versa. It'd be more important to show off what can be done on top of Streams or by forking Streams and making something nice and "unexpected" with it, preferably with multiple identical nomadic clones to show off what #Nomad can do, but still with a "powered by Streams" badge on it. A social networking platform or two could come later and mainly to demonstrate that Streams can do that, too. If this came first, Streams would be reduced to being "the next Friendica" or the next attempt at a Facebook competitor, and nobody would try to use it for anything else. Rather than that, Streams deserves a reputation as "nomadic WordPress" at the very least.
There's a lot that can be done to help these projects gain popularity. Some of it is already being done, especially for Hubzilla. And Streams can be given some time to take off, new as it is. Sitting around and waiting for people to come only gains us those who came from Twitter to Mastodon and then happened upon Friendica or Hubzilla through posts with over 500 characters. -
:joinfediversewiki: #JoinFediverseWiki :joinfediversewiki:
I'm looking for more editors and translators to help with the wiki.
Check out the todos here: https://joinfediverse.wiki/Join_the_Fediverse:Todos
:fedi: Missing what is pages
The wiki aims to have a "What is project xy" page for every Fediverse project.
Missing are among others: #FediBird #HomeTown #GlitchSoc #Akkoma #GNUsocial #Takahe #Bonfire #Swanye #diaspora* #SocialHome #Plume #Gancio📚 Other missing pages
I'd love if someone could write an article about #art in the Fediverse.
Also, as I said before, an article about #racism in the Fediverse would be nice.
And a page about #FreeSoftware is also missing.✏️ Pages need updating
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Fast and #Easy_Peasy #light_theme and #dark_theme swap outs in #Fedilab.
Lightning fast cross-account #boosting and favoriting.
Integrated two tap post translation powered by #FOSS based #LibreTranslate.
#Scheduled posting and boosting.
True #bookmarking
Unlimited Multi-Account management.
Full #moderation suite of tools for regular user accounts and admin level server management.
Complete native #Support for the most popular #Fediverse server platforms including #Akkama, #Friendica, #GnuSocial, mastodon, #PeerTube, #Pixelfed, #Pleroma, #Rebased, #Soapbox, and partial basic support for many more.
Configurable #hashtag following collection management with search and #timeline_reordering.
#Automagic link sanitation using #Invidious and #Nitter when posting, and following twitter timelines with integrated Nitter support.
Truly the most #feature_complete and trusted Fediverse client for #Android - no hidden blocks or crippleware like others, ever.
If you’re looking for the best #Android app for all your Fediverse needs, you need look no further. #Fedilab is available via F-Droid and The Google Playstore.
#tallship @apps #UntrackMe #FDroid #ActivityPub
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Mise à jour de Hubzilla de TCB
La version de #Hubzilla de l'instance #TheChangeBook a été mise à jour, de la version 7.8.6 à 7.8.7. Changelogs : https://framagit.org/hubzilla/core/-/tags/7.8.7
Hub ouvert actuellement aux membres de #TCB, à retrouver là : https://hub.thechangebook.org/. La validation des comptes se fait possiblement dans un délai de 48h.
#Zot #Fediverse #ActivityPub #Mastodon #Diaspora #GNUSocial #Friendica #LogicielLibre
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Mise à jour de Hubzilla de TCB
La version de #Hubzilla de l'instance #TheChangeBook a été mise à jour, de la version 7.8.6 à 7.8.7. Changelogs : https://framagit.org/hubzilla/core/-/tags/7.8.7
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#Zot #Fediverse #ActivityPub #Mastodon #Diaspora #GNUSocial #Friendica #LogicielLibre
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I still hear a lot about how the term #Fediverse is not catchy, and have the first impression of “The Feds”. Maybe it's time to use a new label?
(please boost/reshare, thank you!)
* Note. This is not an official poll or anything. This is only meant to see what the larger community feels and thinks about it.
(Poll will end after 7 days. You can select multiple answers.)
A little context:
* Federated #SNS first came online in 2008, with the platform known as identica (today known as #GNUsocial)
* The Fediverse was called as #identiverse back then.
* Other federated SNS platforms publicly launched in 2010, like Friendika (originally MistPark, and now as #Friendica); and #diaspora, to mention two.
* Someone suggested using a new term instead of “identiverse”.
* “Fediverse” was floated sometime 2010–2012, and the rest is #history. (aside: If I remember correctly, diaspora came up with “The Fediverse” first, or it was inspired by “Fediverse”?)
That was us when the federated SNS was mainly techies. Ten years later, I think it is safe to say that the landscape has changed considerably.
Perhaps, let's see what the larger federated SNS feels and thinks about it, we need to find a more non-techie label for the federated SNS network (using the #AcitivtyPub protocol).
The one and only rule is this, stay away from BRAND-based labels.
The current suggestions below came from this thread: https://mastodon.social/@youronlyone/109260510719668078
To be specific:
* https://techforgood.social/@dimi/109265108528781658
* https://techforgood.social/@dimi/109271444830373380
* https://social.tchncs.de/@gowin/109271635913668308
* https://techforgood.social/@dimi/109271657677305250
Feel free to propose other cool names!
* Note. This is not an official poll or anything. This is only meant to see what the larger community feels and thinks about it. -
https://www.compumarketing.es/blog/quitter-todo-lo-que-debes-saber-sobre-esta-nueva-red-social
#Quitter y no, no es ni era una red social, la red esa es #GNUsocial, Quitter era el nombre de un nodo de la red.
2015
Antes de #mastodon y dentro del #fediverse estaba GNUsocial, una red de las muchas que forman el fediverse.