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@happyborg

People can follow hashtags

People on Mastodon can follow hashtags. But just because people on Mastodon can, doesn't mean people everywhere else in the Fediverse can, too.

AFAIK, some of the minimalist microblogging server applications designed for self-hosting don't offer this feature. I'm not sure if Pleroma and Akkoma have it.

Hubzilla, which is what I'm commenting from, definitely doesn't have this feature. And Hubzilla is anything but minimalist. It's the most powerful and versatile of all Fediverse server applications.

Also, if you can follow hashtags, you can only follow hashtags on your home server. But if you're on a small server, hardly any messages with these hashtags wash up there in the first place. You'll miss a lot. If you're on a private, single-user server, following hashtags is completely useless because the only messages with these hashtags that reach the server are those that you receive from your own contacts anyway.

(streams) and Forte, both being streamlined and more advanced Hubzilla descendants, can follow hashtags. But there simply aren't any big (streams) or Forte servers, especially not with lots of traffic from Mastodon. Most of the few (streams) and Forte users run their own single-user servers.

This is also why it doesn't matter much whether snac or GoToSocial users can follow hashtags: These two are almost exclusively used as private, single-user servers because that's what they're designed for first and foremost.

To make it short: Most Fediverse users outside the big Mastodon servers can only follow hashtags by relying on "bots" that forward posts with these hashtags which they find on e.g. mastodon.social.

In fact, this is good for Mastodon users as well. It helps circumvent two of Mastodon's disadvantages.

One is that it has no support for groups whatsoever (the Fediverse does have groups in case you don't know). If Mastodon users need to talk about a certain topic, they can't do so in a group about that topic. All they can do is shout into the ether with certain hashtags and hope that the right person catches their toot.

The other one is that this is highly unlikely on Mastodon itself. On Mastodon, most content remains unseen.

Mastodon doesn't offer a list of unread messages in the timeline, not even a counter. All that Mastodon users can do is scroll down their timeline until they either hit content that they've already seen, or until they've got no more time, or until they want no more. Anything below will remain unseen. It's sad that this counts as the default or even without alternatives in the Fediverse. And most Mastodon users follow so many accounts and channels (plus hashtags occasionally) that they can impossibly read all the messages they receive.

Let's suppose a Mastodon user wants to talk about Hubzilla for some reason. I've seen this happen often enough. The only chance they have, not knowing that the @hubzilla exists, much less that they can join it from Mastodon, is by tooting into the void with the hashtag #Hubzilla and hoping that either one of their followers or someone somewhere out there on their followers' servers follows the hashtag #Hubzilla.

But none of their followers comes online soon enough to scroll down to their toot. They all have tons of other content in their timelines above that toot, so they never scroll all the way down to it. If not, they simply don't know what Hubzilla is. And even if any Mastodon users follow the hashtag #Hubzilla (which I doubt), this still doesn't mean that one of them scrolls all the way down to that toot.

And then there's me. As I've already said, I'm on Hubzilla. I can't follow hashtags directly. Instead, I "follow" the hashtag #Hubzilla by having this hashtag on the FediBuzz relay (https://relay.fedi.buzz/) as a contact. Or, in Mastodon terms, by following it. FediBuzz is not a bot server. It's a relay that server admins can connect their servers to to have more public content on their servers (if their server software supports relays, that is). Something completely normal on Mastodon, especially on small servers.

So when someone on Mastodon toots something with #Hubzilla, I receive it as a new post. But I don't have to scroll down a timeline of unknown length to find it. I have a counter for unread messages and other unnoticed actions. It unfolds into a list of unread messages and other unnoticed actions. From there, I can get directly to that post. I will notice it. And I'll usually be able to help.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Hashtag #Hashtags #HashtagMeta #CWHashtagMeta #Relay #Relays

@happyborg

People can follow hashtags

People on Mastodon can follow hashtags. But just because people on Mastodon can, doesn't mean people everywhere else in the Fediverse can, too.

AFAIK, some of the minimalist microblogging server applications designed for self-hosting don't offer this feature. I'm not sure if Pleroma and Akkoma have it.

Hubzilla, which is what I'm commenting from, definitely doesn't have this feature. And Hubzilla is anything but minimalist. It's the most powerful and versatile of all Fediverse server applications.

Also, if you can follow hashtags, you can only follow hashtags on your home server. But if you're on a small server, hardly any messages with these hashtags wash up there in the first place. You'll miss a lot. If you're on a private, single-user server, following hashtags is completely useless because the only messages with these hashtags that reach the server are those that you receive from your own contacts anyway.

(streams) and Forte, both being streamlined and more advanced Hubzilla descendants, can follow hashtags. But there simply aren't any big (streams) or Forte servers, especially not with lots of traffic from Mastodon. Most of the few (streams) and Forte users run their own single-user servers.

This is also why it doesn't matter much whether snac or GoToSocial users can follow hashtags: These two are almost exclusively used as private, single-user servers because that's what they're designed for first and foremost.

To make it short: Most Fediverse users outside the big Mastodon servers can only follow hashtags by relying on "bots" that forward posts with these hashtags which they find on e.g. mastodon.social.

In fact, this is good for Mastodon users as well. It helps circumvent two of Mastodon's disadvantages.

One is that it has no support for groups whatsoever (the Fediverse does have groups in case you don't know). If Mastodon users need to talk about a certain topic, they can't do so in a group about that topic. All they can do is shout into the ether with certain hashtags and hope that the right person catches their toot.

The other one is that this is highly unlikely on Mastodon itself. On Mastodon, most content remains unseen.

Mastodon doesn't offer a list of unread messages in the timeline, not even a counter. All that Mastodon users can do is scroll down their timeline until they either hit content that they've already seen, or until they've got no more time, or until they want no more. Anything below will remain unseen. It's sad that this counts as the default or even without alternatives in the Fediverse. And most Mastodon users follow so many accounts and channels (plus hashtags occasionally) that they can impossibly read all the messages they receive.

Let's suppose a Mastodon user wants to talk about Hubzilla for some reason. I've seen this happen often enough. The only chance they have, not knowing that the @hubzilla exists, much less that they can join it from Mastodon, is by tooting into the void with the hashtag #Hubzilla and hoping that either one of their followers or someone somewhere out there on their followers' servers follows the hashtag #Hubzilla.

But none of their followers comes online soon enough to scroll down to their toot. They all have tons of other content in their timelines above that toot, so they never scroll all the way down to it. If not, they simply don't know what Hubzilla is. And even if any Mastodon users follow the hashtag #Hubzilla (which I doubt), this still doesn't mean that one of them scrolls all the way down to that toot.

And then there's me. As I've already said, I'm on Hubzilla. I can't follow hashtags directly. Instead, I "follow" the hashtag #Hubzilla by having this hashtag on the FediBuzz relay (https://relay.fedi.buzz/) as a contact. Or, in Mastodon terms, by following it. FediBuzz is not a bot server. It's a relay that server admins can connect their servers to to have more public content on their servers (if their server software supports relays, that is). Something completely normal on Mastodon, especially on small servers.

So when someone on Mastodon toots something with #Hubzilla, I receive it as a new post. But I don't have to scroll down a timeline of unknown length to find it. I have a counter for unread messages and other unnoticed actions. It unfolds into a list of unread messages and other unnoticed actions. From there, I can get directly to that post. I will notice it. And I'll usually be able to help.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Hashtag #Hashtags #HashtagMeta #CWHashtagMeta #Relay #Relays

@happyborg

People can follow hashtags

People on Mastodon can follow hashtags. But just because people on Mastodon can, doesn't mean people everywhere else in the Fediverse can, too.

AFAIK, some of the minimalist microblogging server applications designed for self-hosting don't offer this feature. I'm not sure if Pleroma and Akkoma have it.

Hubzilla, which is what I'm commenting from, definitely doesn't have this feature. And Hubzilla is anything but minimalist. It's the most powerful and versatile of all Fediverse server applications.

Also, if you can follow hashtags, you can only follow hashtags on your home server. But if you're on a small server, hardly any messages with these hashtags wash up there in the first place. You'll miss a lot. If you're on a private, single-user server, following hashtags is completely useless because the only messages with these hashtags that reach the server are those that you receive from your own contacts anyway.

(streams) and Forte, both being streamlined and more advanced Hubzilla descendants, can follow hashtags. But there simply aren't any big (streams) or Forte servers, especially not with lots of traffic from Mastodon. Most of the few (streams) and Forte users run their own single-user servers.

This is also why it doesn't matter much whether snac or GoToSocial users can follow hashtags: These two are almost exclusively used as private, single-user servers because that's what they're designed for first and foremost.

To make it short: Most Fediverse users outside the big Mastodon servers can only follow hashtags by relying on "bots" that forward posts with these hashtags which they find on e.g. mastodon.social.

In fact, this is good for Mastodon users as well. It helps circumvent two of Mastodon's disadvantages.

One is that it has no support for groups whatsoever (the Fediverse does have groups in case you don't know). If Mastodon users need to talk about a certain topic, they can't do so in a group about that topic. All they can do is shout into the ether with certain hashtags and hope that the right person catches their toot.

The other one is that this is highly unlikely on Mastodon itself. On Mastodon, most content remains unseen.

Mastodon doesn't offer a list of unread messages in the timeline, not even a counter. All that Mastodon users can do is scroll down their timeline until they either hit content that they've already seen, or until they've got no more time, or until they want no more. Anything below will remain unseen. It's sad that this counts as the default or even without alternatives in the Fediverse. And most Mastodon users follow so many accounts and channels (plus hashtags occasionally) that they can impossibly read all the messages they receive.

Let's suppose a Mastodon user wants to talk about Hubzilla for some reason. I've seen this happen often enough. The only chance they have, not knowing that the @hubzilla exists, much less that they can join it from Mastodon, is by tooting into the void with the hashtag #Hubzilla and hoping that either one of their followers or someone somewhere out there on their followers' servers follows the hashtag #Hubzilla.

But none of their followers comes online soon enough to scroll down to their toot. They all have tons of other content in their timelines above that toot, so they never scroll all the way down to it. If not, they simply don't know what Hubzilla is. And even if any Mastodon users follow the hashtag #Hubzilla (which I doubt), this still doesn't mean that one of them scrolls all the way down to that toot.

And then there's me. As I've already said, I'm on Hubzilla. I can't follow hashtags directly. Instead, I "follow" the hashtag #Hubzilla by having this hashtag on the FediBuzz relay (https://relay.fedi.buzz/) as a contact. Or, in Mastodon terms, by following it. FediBuzz is not a bot server. It's a relay that server admins can connect their servers to to have more public content on their servers (if their server software supports relays, that is). Something completely normal on Mastodon, especially on small servers.

So when someone on Mastodon toots something with #Hubzilla, I receive it as a new post. But I don't have to scroll down a timeline of unknown length to find it. I have a counter for unread messages and other unnoticed actions. It unfolds into a list of unread messages and other unnoticed actions. From there, I can get directly to that post. I will notice it. And I'll usually be able to help.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Hashtag #Hashtags #HashtagMeta #CWHashtagMeta #Relay #Relays

@happyborg

People can follow hashtags

People on Mastodon can follow hashtags. But just because people on Mastodon can, doesn't mean people everywhere else in the Fediverse can, too.

AFAIK, some of the minimalist microblogging server applications designed for self-hosting don't offer this feature. I'm not sure if Pleroma and Akkoma have it.

Hubzilla, which is what I'm commenting from, definitely doesn't have this feature. And Hubzilla is anything but minimalist. It's the most powerful and versatile of all Fediverse server applications.

Also, if you can follow hashtags, you can only follow hashtags on your home server. But if you're on a small server, hardly any messages with these hashtags wash up there in the first place. You'll miss a lot. If you're on a private, single-user server, following hashtags is completely useless because the only messages with these hashtags that reach the server are those that you receive from your own contacts anyway.

(streams) and Forte, both being streamlined and more advanced Hubzilla descendants, can follow hashtags. But there simply aren't any big (streams) or Forte servers, especially not with lots of traffic from Mastodon. Most of the few (streams) and Forte users run their own single-user servers.

This is also why it doesn't matter much whether snac or GoToSocial users can follow hashtags: These two are almost exclusively used as private, single-user servers because that's what they're designed for first and foremost.

To make it short: Most Fediverse users outside the big Mastodon servers can only follow hashtags by relying on "bots" that forward posts with these hashtags which they find on e.g. mastodon.social.

In fact, this is good for Mastodon users as well. It helps circumvent two of Mastodon's disadvantages.

One is that it has no support for groups whatsoever (the Fediverse does have groups in case you don't know). If Mastodon users need to talk about a certain topic, they can't do so in a group about that topic. All they can do is shout into the ether with certain hashtags and hope that the right person catches their toot.

The other one is that this is highly unlikely on Mastodon itself. On Mastodon, most content remains unseen.

Mastodon doesn't offer a list of unread messages in the timeline, not even a counter. All that Mastodon users can do is scroll down their timeline until they either hit content that they've already seen, or until they've got no more time, or until they want no more. Anything below will remain unseen. It's sad that this counts as the default or even without alternatives in the Fediverse. And most Mastodon users follow so many accounts and channels (plus hashtags occasionally) that they can impossibly read all the messages they receive.

Let's suppose a Mastodon user wants to talk about Hubzilla for some reason. I've seen this happen often enough. The only chance they have, not knowing that the @hubzilla exists, much less that they can join it from Mastodon, is by tooting into the void with the hashtag #Hubzilla and hoping that either one of their followers or someone somewhere out there on their followers' servers follows the hashtag #Hubzilla.

But none of their followers comes online soon enough to scroll down to their toot. They all have tons of other content in their timelines above that toot, so they never scroll all the way down to it. If not, they simply don't know what Hubzilla is. And even if any Mastodon users follow the hashtag #Hubzilla (which I doubt), this still doesn't mean that one of them scrolls all the way down to that toot.

And then there's me. As I've already said, I'm on Hubzilla. I can't follow hashtags directly. Instead, I "follow" the hashtag #Hubzilla by having this hashtag on the FediBuzz relay (https://relay.fedi.buzz/) as a contact. Or, in Mastodon terms, by following it. FediBuzz is not a bot server. It's a relay that server admins can connect their servers to to have more public content on their servers (if their server software supports relays, that is). Something completely normal on Mastodon, especially on small servers.

So when someone on Mastodon toots something with #Hubzilla, I receive it as a new post. But I don't have to scroll down a timeline of unknown length to find it. I have a counter for unread messages and other unnoticed actions. It unfolds into a list of unread messages and other unnoticed actions. From there, I can get directly to that post. I will notice it. And I'll usually be able to help.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Hashtag #Hashtags #HashtagMeta #CWHashtagMeta #Relay #Relays

@happyborg

People can follow hashtags

People on Mastodon can follow hashtags. But just because people on Mastodon can, doesn't mean people everywhere else in the Fediverse can, too.

AFAIK, some of the minimalist microblogging server applications designed for self-hosting don't offer this feature. I'm not sure if Pleroma and Akkoma have it.

Hubzilla, which is what I'm commenting from, definitely doesn't have this feature. And Hubzilla is anything but minimalist. It's the most powerful and versatile of all Fediverse server applications.

Also, if you can follow hashtags, you can only follow hashtags on your home server. But if you're on a small server, hardly any messages with these hashtags wash up there in the first place. You'll miss a lot. If you're on a private, single-user server, following hashtags is completely useless because the only messages with these hashtags that reach the server are those that you receive from your own contacts anyway.

(streams) and Forte, both being streamlined and more advanced Hubzilla descendants, can follow hashtags. But there simply aren't any big (streams) or Forte servers, especially not with lots of traffic from Mastodon. Most of the few (streams) and Forte users run their own single-user servers.

This is also why it doesn't matter much whether snac or GoToSocial users can follow hashtags: These two are almost exclusively used as private, single-user servers because that's what they're designed for first and foremost.

To make it short: Most Fediverse users outside the big Mastodon servers can only follow hashtags by relying on "bots" that forward posts with these hashtags which they find on e.g. mastodon.social.

In fact, this is good for Mastodon users as well. It helps circumvent two of Mastodon's disadvantages.

One is that it has no support for groups whatsoever (the Fediverse does have groups in case you don't know). If Mastodon users need to talk about a certain topic, they can't do so in a group about that topic. All they can do is shout into the ether with certain hashtags and hope that the right person catches their toot.

The other one is that this is highly unlikely on Mastodon itself. On Mastodon, most content remains unseen.

Mastodon doesn't offer a list of unread messages in the timeline, not even a counter. All that Mastodon users can do is scroll down their timeline until they either hit content that they've already seen, or until they've got no more time, or until they want no more. Anything below will remain unseen. It's sad that this counts as the default or even without alternatives in the Fediverse. And most Mastodon users follow so many accounts and channels (plus hashtags occasionally) that they can impossibly read all the messages they receive.

Let's suppose a Mastodon user wants to talk about Hubzilla for some reason. I've seen this happen often enough. The only chance they have, not knowing that the @hubzilla exists, much less that they can join it from Mastodon, is by tooting into the void with the hashtag #Hubzilla and hoping that either one of their followers or someone somewhere out there on their followers' servers follows the hashtag #Hubzilla.

But none of their followers comes online soon enough to scroll down to their toot. They all have tons of other content in their timelines above that toot, so they never scroll all the way down to it. If not, they simply don't know what Hubzilla is. And even if any Mastodon users follow the hashtag #Hubzilla (which I doubt), this still doesn't mean that one of them scrolls all the way down to that toot.

And then there's me. As I've already said, I'm on Hubzilla. I can't follow hashtags directly. Instead, I "follow" the hashtag #Hubzilla by having this hashtag on the FediBuzz relay (https://relay.fedi.buzz/) as a contact. Or, in Mastodon terms, by following it. FediBuzz is not a bot server. It's a relay that server admins can connect their servers to to have more public content on their servers (if their server software supports relays, that is). Something completely normal on Mastodon, especially on small servers.

So when someone on Mastodon toots something with #Hubzilla, I receive it as a new post. But I don't have to scroll down a timeline of unknown length to find it. I have a counter for unread messages and other unnoticed actions. It unfolds into a list of unread messages and other unnoticed actions. From there, I can get directly to that post. I will notice it. And I'll usually be able to help.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Hashtag #Hashtags #HashtagMeta #CWHashtagMeta #Relay #Relays

@Alexander Goeres 𒀯 @everton137 Whether they've adopted Mastodon's culture. And whether they follow all of Mastodon's largely unwritten rules to a tee.

Regardless of whether or not they're actually on Mastodon after all.

#FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #MastodonCulture #MastodonHOA #MastodonCentricity #MastodonNormativity

@Alexander Goeres 𒀯 @everton137 Whether they've adopted Mastodon's culture. And whether they follow all of Mastodon's largely unwritten rules to a tee.

Regardless of whether or not they're actually on Mastodon after all.

#FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #MastodonCulture #MastodonHOA #MastodonCentricity #MastodonNormativity

@Alexander Goeres 𒀯 @everton137 Whether they've adopted Mastodon's culture. And whether they follow all of Mastodon's largely unwritten rules to a tee.

Regardless of whether or not they're actually on Mastodon after all.

#FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #MastodonCulture #MastodonHOA #MastodonCentricity #MastodonNormativity

@Alexander Goeres 𒀯 @everton137 Whether they've adopted Mastodon's culture. And whether they follow all of Mastodon's largely unwritten rules to a tee.

Regardless of whether or not they're actually on Mastodon after all.

#FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #MastodonCulture #MastodonHOA #MastodonCentricity #MastodonNormativity

@Alexander Goeres 𒀯 @everton137 Whether they've adopted Mastodon's culture. And whether they follow all of Mastodon's largely unwritten rules to a tee.

Regardless of whether or not they're actually on Mastodon after all.

#FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #MastodonCulture #MastodonHOA #MastodonCentricity #MastodonNormativity

@💚

ich werbe ins Fediverse zu kommen und sage klar das erstmal als Alternative zu FB,Insta, X etc zu nutzen und das Andere nach und nach auszufaden.

Das Fediverse: ja.

Aber komm nicht auf die Idee, Mastodon und nur Mastodon als alleinige Alternative zu 𝕏 und Facebook und Instagram zu verkaufen.

Mastodon ist eine Alternative zu 𝕏. Nicht die einzige. Eine von vielen. Pleroma, Akkoma, Misskey, Sharkey usw., sie sind auch alle Alternativen zu 𝕏 und besser als Mastodon. In mancher Hinsicht sind übrigens Misskey und seine Forks sogar dichter an 𝕏 dran als Mastodon.

Mastodon ist keine Alternative zu Instagram. Die hauptsächliche Alternative zu Instagram ist Pixelfed. Man kann sogar sein komplettes Instagram-Konto mitsamt allen Bildern direkt nach Pixelfed importieren.

Mastodon ist auch keine Alternative zu Facebook. Nein, wirklich nicht. Die populärste Alternative zu Facebook ist Friendica, das 2010 vorn vornherein als Alternative zu Facebook entwickelt wurde. Es ist also sehr viel dichter an Facebook dran als Mastodon. Wer mehr Features will und/oder mehr Sicherheit und/oder mehr Resilienz gegen Serverausfall, kann sich auch Hubzilla angucken.

Was die Themen Synthesizer und Musikproduktion angeht: einfach mal aufhören, mit Hashtags in den Äther zu rufen und zu hoffen, daß die richtigen Leute anbeißen. Statt dessen sich einfach mal da umzugucken, wo es ein Killerfeature gibt, auf das Mastodon nicht mal vorbereitet ist: Gruppen.

Beispiel: Lemmy. Die primäre Alternative zu Reddit im Fediverse.

• https://lemm.ee/c/synthesizers
• https://midwest.social/c/synths
• https://sh.itjust.works/c/musicproduction

Beispiel: Friendica.

• https://horche.demkontinuum.de/profile/moosiq
• https://friendica.me/profile/sdiy

Und falls dir das nicht bekannt sein sollte: Alles, was ich hier jetzt erwähnt habe, ist nicht nur im Fediverse, sondern das heißt, es ist auch mit Mastodon verbunden. Und miteinander.

Gruß von Hubzilla übrigens.

CC: @Katharina Nocun

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #NichtNurMastodon #Twitter #𝕏 #TwitterAlternative #TwitterErsatz #Pleroma #Akkoma #Misskey #Sharkey #Instagram #InstagramAlternative #InstagramErsatz #Pixelfed #Facebook #FacebookAlternative #FacebookErsatz #Friendica #Hubzilla #Reddit #RedditAlternative #RedditErsatz #Lemmy

@💚

ich werbe ins Fediverse zu kommen und sage klar das erstmal als Alternative zu FB,Insta, X etc zu nutzen und das Andere nach und nach auszufaden.

Das Fediverse: ja.

Aber komm nicht auf die Idee, Mastodon und nur Mastodon als alleinige Alternative zu 𝕏 und Facebook und Instagram zu verkaufen.

Mastodon ist eine Alternative zu 𝕏. Nicht die einzige. Eine von vielen. Pleroma, Akkoma, Misskey, Sharkey usw., sie sind auch alle Alternativen zu 𝕏 und besser als Mastodon. In mancher Hinsicht sind übrigens Misskey und seine Forks sogar dichter an 𝕏 dran als Mastodon.

Mastodon ist keine Alternative zu Instagram. Die hauptsächliche Alternative zu Instagram ist Pixelfed. Man kann sogar sein komplettes Instagram-Konto mitsamt allen Bildern direkt nach Pixelfed importieren.

Mastodon ist auch keine Alternative zu Facebook. Nein, wirklich nicht. Die populärste Alternative zu Facebook ist Friendica, das 2010 vorn vornherein als Alternative zu Facebook entwickelt wurde. Es ist also sehr viel dichter an Facebook dran als Mastodon. Wer mehr Features will und/oder mehr Sicherheit und/oder mehr Resilienz gegen Serverausfall, kann sich auch Hubzilla angucken.

Was die Themen Synthesizer und Musikproduktion angeht: einfach mal aufhören, mit Hashtags in den Äther zu rufen und zu hoffen, daß die richtigen Leute anbeißen. Statt dessen sich einfach mal da umzugucken, wo es ein Killerfeature gibt, auf das Mastodon nicht mal vorbereitet ist: Gruppen.

Beispiel: Lemmy. Die primäre Alternative zu Reddit im Fediverse.

• https://lemm.ee/c/synthesizers
• https://midwest.social/c/synths
• https://sh.itjust.works/c/musicproduction

Beispiel: Friendica.

• https://horche.demkontinuum.de/profile/moosiq
• https://friendica.me/profile/sdiy

Und falls dir das nicht bekannt sein sollte: Alles, was ich hier jetzt erwähnt habe, ist nicht nur im Fediverse, sondern das heißt, es ist auch mit Mastodon verbunden. Und miteinander.

Gruß von Hubzilla übrigens.

CC: @Katharina Nocun

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #NichtNurMastodon #Twitter #𝕏 #TwitterAlternative #TwitterErsatz #Pleroma #Akkoma #Misskey #Sharkey #Instagram #InstagramAlternative #InstagramErsatz #Pixelfed #Facebook #FacebookAlternative #FacebookErsatz #Friendica #Hubzilla #Reddit #RedditAlternative #RedditErsatz #Lemmy

@💚

ich werbe ins Fediverse zu kommen und sage klar das erstmal als Alternative zu FB,Insta, X etc zu nutzen und das Andere nach und nach auszufaden.

Das Fediverse: ja.

Aber komm nicht auf die Idee, Mastodon und nur Mastodon als alleinige Alternative zu 𝕏 und Facebook und Instagram zu verkaufen.

Mastodon ist eine Alternative zu 𝕏. Nicht die einzige. Eine von vielen. Pleroma, Akkoma, Misskey, Sharkey usw., sie sind auch alle Alternativen zu 𝕏 und besser als Mastodon. In mancher Hinsicht sind übrigens Misskey und seine Forks sogar dichter an 𝕏 dran als Mastodon.

Mastodon ist keine Alternative zu Instagram. Die hauptsächliche Alternative zu Instagram ist Pixelfed. Man kann sogar sein komplettes Instagram-Konto mitsamt allen Bildern direkt nach Pixelfed importieren.

Mastodon ist auch keine Alternative zu Facebook. Nein, wirklich nicht. Die populärste Alternative zu Facebook ist Friendica, das 2010 vorn vornherein als Alternative zu Facebook entwickelt wurde. Es ist also sehr viel dichter an Facebook dran als Mastodon. Wer mehr Features will und/oder mehr Sicherheit und/oder mehr Resilienz gegen Serverausfall, kann sich auch Hubzilla angucken.

Was die Themen Synthesizer und Musikproduktion angeht: einfach mal aufhören, mit Hashtags in den Äther zu rufen und zu hoffen, daß die richtigen Leute anbeißen. Statt dessen sich einfach mal da umzugucken, wo es ein Killerfeature gibt, auf das Mastodon nicht mal vorbereitet ist: Gruppen.

Beispiel: Lemmy. Die primäre Alternative zu Reddit im Fediverse.

• https://lemm.ee/c/synthesizers
• https://midwest.social/c/synths
• https://sh.itjust.works/c/musicproduction

Beispiel: Friendica.

• https://horche.demkontinuum.de/profile/moosiq
• https://friendica.me/profile/sdiy

Und falls dir das nicht bekannt sein sollte: Alles, was ich hier jetzt erwähnt habe, ist nicht nur im Fediverse, sondern das heißt, es ist auch mit Mastodon verbunden. Und miteinander.

Gruß von Hubzilla übrigens.

CC: @Katharina Nocun

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ich werbe ins Fediverse zu kommen und sage klar das erstmal als Alternative zu FB,Insta, X etc zu nutzen und das Andere nach und nach auszufaden.

Das Fediverse: ja.

Aber komm nicht auf die Idee, Mastodon und nur Mastodon als alleinige Alternative zu 𝕏 und Facebook und Instagram zu verkaufen.

Mastodon ist eine Alternative zu 𝕏. Nicht die einzige. Eine von vielen. Pleroma, Akkoma, Misskey, Sharkey usw., sie sind auch alle Alternativen zu 𝕏 und besser als Mastodon. In mancher Hinsicht sind übrigens Misskey und seine Forks sogar dichter an 𝕏 dran als Mastodon.

Mastodon ist keine Alternative zu Instagram. Die hauptsächliche Alternative zu Instagram ist Pixelfed. Man kann sogar sein komplettes Instagram-Konto mitsamt allen Bildern direkt nach Pixelfed importieren.

Mastodon ist auch keine Alternative zu Facebook. Nein, wirklich nicht. Die populärste Alternative zu Facebook ist Friendica, das 2010 vorn vornherein als Alternative zu Facebook entwickelt wurde. Es ist also sehr viel dichter an Facebook dran als Mastodon. Wer mehr Features will und/oder mehr Sicherheit und/oder mehr Resilienz gegen Serverausfall, kann sich auch Hubzilla angucken.

Was die Themen Synthesizer und Musikproduktion angeht: einfach mal aufhören, mit Hashtags in den Äther zu rufen und zu hoffen, daß die richtigen Leute anbeißen. Statt dessen sich einfach mal da umzugucken, wo es ein Killerfeature gibt, auf das Mastodon nicht mal vorbereitet ist: Gruppen.

Beispiel: Lemmy. Die primäre Alternative zu Reddit im Fediverse.

• https://lemm.ee/c/synthesizers
• https://midwest.social/c/synths
• https://sh.itjust.works/c/musicproduction

Beispiel: Friendica.

• https://horche.demkontinuum.de/profile/moosiq
• https://friendica.me/profile/sdiy

Und falls dir das nicht bekannt sein sollte: Alles, was ich hier jetzt erwähnt habe, ist nicht nur im Fediverse, sondern das heißt, es ist auch mit Mastodon verbunden. Und miteinander.

Gruß von Hubzilla übrigens.

CC: @Katharina Nocun

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ich werbe ins Fediverse zu kommen und sage klar das erstmal als Alternative zu FB,Insta, X etc zu nutzen und das Andere nach und nach auszufaden.

Das Fediverse: ja.

Aber komm nicht auf die Idee, Mastodon und nur Mastodon als alleinige Alternative zu 𝕏 und Facebook und Instagram zu verkaufen.

Mastodon ist eine Alternative zu 𝕏. Nicht die einzige. Eine von vielen. Pleroma, Akkoma, Misskey, Sharkey usw., sie sind auch alle Alternativen zu 𝕏 und besser als Mastodon. In mancher Hinsicht sind übrigens Misskey und seine Forks sogar dichter an 𝕏 dran als Mastodon.

Mastodon ist keine Alternative zu Instagram. Die hauptsächliche Alternative zu Instagram ist Pixelfed. Man kann sogar sein komplettes Instagram-Konto mitsamt allen Bildern direkt nach Pixelfed importieren.

Mastodon ist auch keine Alternative zu Facebook. Nein, wirklich nicht. Die populärste Alternative zu Facebook ist Friendica, das 2010 vorn vornherein als Alternative zu Facebook entwickelt wurde. Es ist also sehr viel dichter an Facebook dran als Mastodon. Wer mehr Features will und/oder mehr Sicherheit und/oder mehr Resilienz gegen Serverausfall, kann sich auch Hubzilla angucken.

Was die Themen Synthesizer und Musikproduktion angeht: einfach mal aufhören, mit Hashtags in den Äther zu rufen und zu hoffen, daß die richtigen Leute anbeißen. Statt dessen sich einfach mal da umzugucken, wo es ein Killerfeature gibt, auf das Mastodon nicht mal vorbereitet ist: Gruppen.

Beispiel: Lemmy. Die primäre Alternative zu Reddit im Fediverse.

• https://lemm.ee/c/synthesizers
• https://midwest.social/c/synths
• https://sh.itjust.works/c/musicproduction

Beispiel: Friendica.

• https://horche.demkontinuum.de/profile/moosiq
• https://friendica.me/profile/sdiy

Und falls dir das nicht bekannt sein sollte: Alles, was ich hier jetzt erwähnt habe, ist nicht nur im Fediverse, sondern das heißt, es ist auch mit Mastodon verbunden. Und miteinander.

Gruß von Hubzilla übrigens.

CC: @Katharina Nocun

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #NichtNurMastodon #Twitter #𝕏 #TwitterAlternative #TwitterErsatz #Pleroma #Akkoma #Misskey #Sharkey #Instagram #InstagramAlternative #InstagramErsatz #Pixelfed #Facebook #FacebookAlternative #FacebookErsatz #Friendica #Hubzilla #Reddit #RedditAlternative #RedditErsatz #Lemmy

@mradcliffe The danger in this, however, is that another Fediverse feature that's way older than Mastodon and at the same time absent from Mastodon would be reappropriated as something else, making Mastodon even more incompatible with the rest of the Fediverse.

In 2017, Mastodon introduced its content warning field. Ever since, almost everyone on Mastodon has been fully convinced that Eugen Rochko had invented that field from scratch. (Be honest, how about you?)

However, Mastodon's content warning field is actually a summary field that has been used by StatusNet, Friendica and Hubzilla as such since 2008, 2010 and 2012 respectively. Mastodon hadn't had any support for that summary field at first, for you don't need a summary for 500 characters. And I guess that coder from the demo scene who submitted the merge request that reappropriated the summary field as a content warning field was blissfully unaware that Mastodon was actually connected to something that did use the summary field as such.

And now you have Mastodon users scolding Friendica users because the latter allegedly misuse the CW field for "like a subject or smth idk", unaware that the self-same field has been the abstract field on Friendica for five and a half years longer than Mastodon has even existed and some seven years longer than Mastodon had its CW field.

Today, in 2025, next to nobody on Mastodon knows that the Fediverse already has group actors, and probably neither do many on the *keys. Neither Mastodon nor Misskey nor their respective forks have or support groups in any way.

If they go and reappropriate group actors as starter packs, this will break compatibility with Friendica groups, Hubzilla forums, (streams) groups, Forte groups, Lemmy communities, /kbin magazines, Mbin magazines, PieFed communities, NodeBB forums etc., all of which can be and often already are being followed by Mastodon and *key users right now. And again, they've all had group actors since their respective inception.

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@Osma A 🇫🇮🇺🇦 This would require three things, however.

One, any Fediverse server software would have to be capable of altering comments from any Fediverse software. Don't think that posts, comments etc. aren't formatted the same everywhere. They aren't.

For example, Mastodon would have to know and understand that it would have to remove @⁠[email protected] from Misskey, Sharkey, CherryPick, Iceshrimp etc. notes, @[url⁠=https://mas.to/users/osma]Osma A 🇫🇮🇺🇦[/url] from Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte comments and an invisible shadow mention from (streams) and Forte comments, too.

Two, anyone in the Fediverse would have to always have full and unlimited permission to alter everyone else's content without their consent. This is particularly crucial in the cases of Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte with their highly advanced and fine-grained permissions systems that don't even cover having your content altered by others.

Three, edits on any Fediverse software must always be federated to absolutely everywhere and anywhere in the Fediverse, no exceptions, regardless of software. AFAIK, there is Fediverse server software that still doesn't understand edits at all, and that will either ignore received edits or understand them as and treat them like new posts.

It's very similar to the wish for being able to edit alt-texts into other people's posts which seems to pretty much always come from people who think that the Fediverse is only Mastodon, or at least that everything in the Fediverse is like Mastodon plus one or two extra features.

And let's be honest: If you give especially Mastodon users the ability to alter other people's posts, they will want to alter other people's posts in lots of other ways. Like, delete summaries on Friendica/Hubzilla/(streams)/Forte posts because they're "abuse of the CW field" from a "Fediverse = Mastodon" point of view. Remove all hashtags but four, regardless of these hashtags triggering the automated, individual, reader-side content warnings that have existed in the Friendica family since five and a half years before Mastodon was first published. Cutting "long posts" (= everything over 500 characters) down to a maximum of 500 characters because "the Fediverse was invented by Eugen Rochko for only microblogging". Even removing any and all mentions of the Fediverse beyond Mastodon. Removing text formatting because "it has no place in a Twitter alternative". Or removing all contents from posts or comments altogether.

Of course, the very same Mastodon users will completely flip their shit if a Friendica user comes and copies their 20-post threads into one long post, deletes the contents of the 19 follow-ups afterwards and replaces the content warning in the abstract field (= their CW field) with an actual abstract, just to fit it into a Fediverse culture that's way older than Mastodon itself.

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@Osma A 🇫🇮🇺🇦 Sounds like Phanpy fixes what Mastodon doesn't even acknowledge as an issue.

But your comment kind of demonstrates to me how not even Hubzilla supports "shadow mentions" (because it didn't need them when it was made, seeing as it supports enclosed threaded conversations): I wasn't notified about your comment, I only saw it as an unread message.

I guess I would have been notified, had I participated in this thread from one of my (streams) channels. (streams) and Forte are more geared towards a Fediverse that doesn't support threaded conversations all over, one that's dominated by Mastodon and mostly used for Twitter-style minimalist microblogging.

Ideally from a Mastodon POV, these "shadow mentions" should include everyone in the current branch of the thread. Ideally from a threaded conversations POV, they should go as far as mentioning all participants in the whole thread. But that kind of "black magic" would scare quite a few Mastodon users out of their minds unfortunately.

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@Osma A 🇫🇮🇺🇦

from misplacing mentions at start of the reply body text (when a perfectly good mention field exists in the protocol)

Does anything except (streams) and Forte actually make use of these "shadow mentions"? AFAIK, Mastodon accepts them, but it can't create them. Due to its total lack of support for threaded conversations, you have visibal mentions eating away your precious character count in order for even only those in your branch of the thread to receive your comment.

That's also why I often have to mention loads of people manually in 100% Mastodon threads: Hubzilla does support threaded conversations, but I think it doesn't support shadow mentions because it has never needed them itself, and it's too old to be designed for a Mastodon-dominated Fediverse.

to inability to remember the readers' position in their (reverse chron and random) timeline.

Maybe it'd also help to move away from Twitter-style doom-scrolling single-message piecemeal timelines as the only option available and towards the same Facebook-style stream with whole threads at once and an unread messages counter with a list of unread messages that takes you directly to each thread with unread messages in it? The kind that Friendica has had for a decade and a half now, and that all its descendants have inherited?

CC: @Tim Chambers

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You can't enforce either of them Fediverse-wide.

Friendica has had "excluded + long name" (@Laxystem) firmly hard-coded for 14 years now, almost 6 years longer than Mastodon has been around, and its descendants Hubzilla and (streams) have the same mention style hard-coded, too.

Mastodon and its forks have "included + short name" (@laxla) hard-coded.

Misskey and the Forkeys have "included + short name + domain" (@​[email protected]) hard-coded.

An acquaintance of mine, himself on Mastodon, actually asked me to turn these freaky-looking long-name mentions off and switch back to Mastodon-style short-name mentions. I had to explain to him that I'm not on Mastodon, Hubzilla isn't Mastodon, Hubzilla has never been Mastodon, and on Hubzilla, mentions with long names and excluding the @ are hard-coded with no way to change them.

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