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@GunChleoc @GunChleoc @ltning @Hannah Grace @beemoh @Lucien Maybe it's also worth taking a look at (streams) and Forte, both created and still maintained by the same guy who invented Friendica and Hubzilla.
In terms of privacy, security and self-moderation, they're at least on par with Hubzilla, and they're both nomadic like Hubzilla. UX-wise, they're more streamlined, especially permissions settings, and more geared towards today's Fediverse. Their learning curve is somewhere between Friendica and Hubzilla, but mostly because they default towards privacy rather than everything being public.
However, (streams) has only got a very very few public, open-registration servers and not a single working one in Europe at all anymore. It can't be crawled either, so FediDB, Fediverse Observer and FediIndex don't list its servers. And Forte doesn't have any public, open-registration servers whatsoever currently.
Maybe it's also important to know that their code is hosted by Codeberg in Berlin, but the developer is in Australia.
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@klu9 @Leigh Silvester First of all, Friendica is a Facebook alternative. It was designed as such.
However, it was designed as a better-than-Facebook-itself Facebook alternative with a lot of useful extra features and without a lot of Facebook-typical cruft. And not as an all-out, 1:1 Facebook clone. It was made almost 16 years ago, in a time when a decentralised alternative to something didn't absolutely have to be a nearly identical clone.
Friendica does have groups; there's the official group directory. So does Hubzilla which was made by Friendica's own creator from a fork of a fork of Friendica, so they're similar.
However, groups on Friendica and forums on Hubzilla are a lot different from groups on Facebook, especially if you want to have your own group. On Facebook, groups are a wholly separate feature of their own.
On Friendica, a group is just another account, but configured differently. Likewise, on Hubzilla, a forum is just another channel (on Hubzilla, your identity is not your account and not tied to your login), but, again, configured differently. (streams) and Forte, the two still existing more recent Hubzilla descendants from still the same creator, have groups in much the same fashion as Hubzilla's forums.
Friendica groups are not limited to users on the same Friendica node. In fact, anyone anywhere on Friendica, on Hubzilla, on (streams), on Forte, on Mastodon, Pleroma, Akkoma, Misskey, any of the Forkeys etc. can join Friendica groups and Hubzilla forums and interact with them. Yes, you can join Friendica groups with your existing Mastodon account.
Basically, how they work (within the Friendica/Hubzilla/(streams)/Forte family and with a Mastodon translation) is:- In order to join a group/forum, you request a connection.
(Mastodon: You follow the group account/forum channel.) - Your request is accepted.
(Mastodon: Your follow request is confirmed, and you're followed back. - Now you're a member.
- In order to start a new thread, you send a post to the group/forum, but you must mention it in such a way that your post becomes a DM.
(Mastodon: Most of the Fediverse, Mastodon included, doesn't know these special mentions, so Friendica groups and Hubzilla forums accept normal mentions from those server applications that can't direct-mention.) - The Friendica group account/Hubzilla forum channel will automatically be quoted-shared (Friendica)/shared (Hubzilla)/quoted (Mastodon lingo) to all other group/forum members.
If you want to start a new thread in a Friendica group or a Hubzilla forum from Mastodon, which you can, you have to know the order of things, keep it in mind and adhere to it:Title
@Group mention
Post text
So while Mastodon doesn't officially support titles, at least not when posting, you can give the thread a title by writing it above the mention and the post text below the mention.
A common Mastodon mistake is to first write the post text and then add the mention afterwards. However, if there is exactly one paragraph above the mention, and that paragraph is short enough, Friendica and Hubzilla will treat it as the title. Your start post might end up with a title, but not with a post text.
How exactly groups are handled on Friendica if you're the owner, I can't tell you. The last time I've used Friendica must have been either when Mastodon was still fairly new or even before Mastodon was even made. I've switched to Hubzilla as my preferred daily driver back then and never looked back.
I've read that Friendica has something like secondary accounts which you can attach to your existing account. This way, you can have your personal Friendica account and a group account on the same login, and you can switch between them without having to log out. But that must have been introduced long after I've quit Friendica.
On Hubzilla, something like this has always been possible: If you want to start a group, you simply create another channel on your account and configure it as a forum channel, either by choosing "Community forum" as the channel role or, if you know what you're doing, by choosing "Custom" as the channel role and then activating "Group actor" in the Custom channel role settings. The latter is also the only way to have a private forum.
Friendica lets you appoint additional admins/moderators, but only from the same Friendica node that your group is on.
As Hubzilla has a full implementation of OpenWebAuth magic sign-on, include server-side, you can promote any forum member on Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams), Forte and Mitra as extra forum admins.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Facebook #FacebookAlternative #FacebookAlternatives #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte #Groups #FediGroups #FediverseGroups - In order to join a group/forum, you request a connection.
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ich werbe ins Fediverse zu kommen und sage klar das erstmal als Alternative zu FB,Insta, X etc zu nutzen und das Andere nach und nach auszufaden.
Das Fediverse: ja.
Aber komm nicht auf die Idee, Mastodon und nur Mastodon als alleinige Alternative zu 𝕏 und Facebook und Instagram zu verkaufen.
Mastodon ist eine Alternative zu 𝕏. Nicht die einzige. Eine von vielen. Pleroma, Akkoma, Misskey, Sharkey usw., sie sind auch alle Alternativen zu 𝕏 und besser als Mastodon. In mancher Hinsicht sind übrigens Misskey und seine Forks sogar dichter an 𝕏 dran als Mastodon.
Mastodon ist keine Alternative zu Instagram. Die hauptsächliche Alternative zu Instagram ist Pixelfed. Man kann sogar sein komplettes Instagram-Konto mitsamt allen Bildern direkt nach Pixelfed importieren.
Mastodon ist auch keine Alternative zu Facebook. Nein, wirklich nicht. Die populärste Alternative zu Facebook ist Friendica, das 2010 vorn vornherein als Alternative zu Facebook entwickelt wurde. Es ist also sehr viel dichter an Facebook dran als Mastodon. Wer mehr Features will und/oder mehr Sicherheit und/oder mehr Resilienz gegen Serverausfall, kann sich auch Hubzilla angucken.
Was die Themen Synthesizer und Musikproduktion angeht: einfach mal aufhören, mit Hashtags in den Äther zu rufen und zu hoffen, daß die richtigen Leute anbeißen. Statt dessen sich einfach mal da umzugucken, wo es ein Killerfeature gibt, auf das Mastodon nicht mal vorbereitet ist: Gruppen.
Beispiel: Lemmy. Die primäre Alternative zu Reddit im Fediverse.- https://lemm.ee/c/synthesizers
- https://midwest.social/c/synths
- https://sh.itjust.works/c/musicproduction
Beispiel: Friendica.
Und falls dir das nicht bekannt sein sollte: Alles, was ich hier jetzt erwähnt habe, ist nicht nur im Fediverse, sondern das heißt, es ist auch mit Mastodon verbunden. Und miteinander.
Gruß von Hubzilla übrigens.
CC: @Katharina Nocun
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Hey, what does everyone think about the #fediverse and/or #activitypub alternatives to #facebook, like #Friendica? I think there's something else that's a #facebookAlternative out there too, but I forget the name. I like Mastodon a lot (obviously), but another fedi site, #Lemmy, a #redditalternative, is a little lackluster.
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CW: What Facebook escapees need, and what Mastodon users think they need; CW: long (almost 2,800 characters), Fediverse meta, Fediverse beyond Mastodon meta, Facebook mentioned, Twitter mentioned
Two things are becoming glaringly obvious currently.
One, it seems like aspiring Facebook escapees want and expect Facebook as it was in December, 2024, in the Fediverse. Maybe also because that's what they're told Friendica is. Just like Twitter escapees have been wanting and expecting Mastodon (and the Fediverse as a whole) to be literally Twitter without Musk, but otherwise absolutely identical to Twitter. Because that's what they were told.
People don't want something that's better than the original. Because that's different from the original. People want 1:1 clones of the original.
Two, lots of Mastodon users, even many of those who have been around since the second Twitter migration wave of late 2022 (as in over two years)k, haven't understood the Fediverse yet. They think their Mastodon account can only connect to Mastodon accounts, and a Friendica account can only connect to Friendica accounts, and so they need a Friendica account in parallel to their Mastodon account in order to be able to stay in contact with both new Friendica users and current Mastodon users.
Little do they probably know that they already follow users of Friendica, Hubzilla, Misskey, Sharkey, Iceshrimp, Akkoma, Mbin etc. on their Mastodon accounts because Mastodon doesn't tell them. Even less do they know that Friendica is the federation world champion. Not only does it connect to everything in the ActivityPub-using Fediverse, including Mastodon, but it also has more non-ActivityPub connection options than anything else.
Not so obvious yet: If a significant number of Facebook users does end up on Friendica, we'll have a wonderful clash of cultures in the Fediverse.- Faction #1: almost three years worth of Twitter refugees on Mastodon who still want to force Mastodon's culture upon the whole Fediverse. Including Friendica.
- Faction #2: fresh arrivals on Mastodon from Twitter who want to keep living their Twitter culture, and who don't even expect Mastodon to have its own culture.
- Faction #3: fresh arrivals on Friendica from Facebook who want to keep living their Facebook culture, and who also end up angering faction #1 with "long posts" (anything with over 500 characters).
- Faction #4: the old Fediverse guard, especially on Friendica where some users have been since years before Mastodon has even been created, who are being lectured by faction #1 and accused of harassment by factions #2 and #3.
Beware if faction #3 discovers Lemmy communities and starts joining them. For Lemmy's culture is almost identical to Reddit's culture, whether #1 wants or not.
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@James M. It has been a while since I've last used Friendica; I'm mostly on Hubzilla now plus a bit on (streams).
But AFAIK, all three let you post to certain connections, including to a specific circle (Friendica)/privacy group (Hubzilla)/access list ((streams)), basically something similar to Mastodon's lists. In either case, these posts and the whole threads are flagged not public, and especially Hubzilla and (streams) don't allow changing access permissions within a thread. Mastodon understands these limited-access posts as PMs.
In theory, it's possible to post "followers only" like on Mastodon: Create a circle/privacy group/access list, add all your contacts to it and send a post to this circle/privacy group/access list.
In addition, all three support something similar to Facebook groups which is a) moderated and b) optionally private, as in nobody can look inside from outside. On Friendica, a group is a user account which you have to register separately. Likewise, on Hubzilla and (streams), a forum or group is a channel with special settings, but instead of having to register a new account, you can create a new channel on your existing account next to your existing channel.
As for E2EE, neither supports any standard E2EE technology. Hubzilla and (streams) allow for conversations to be optionally encrypted. But: Only the transmission is encrypted. Encryption uses a passphrase rather than a private/public key pair. Both sides must have the encryption add-on activated, and it isn't even necessarily available on all server instances. Encryption may only work within Hubzilla and within (streams), but not between them. And, obviously, encryption does not work to the outside, e.g. Friendica or Mastodon.
Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) can replace Facebook, but not WhatsApp. That's what Matrix and XMPP are for.
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@James M. Possible solutions within the Fediverse:
- Friendica was designed explicitly as a Facebook alternative long before Mastodon. It has always had discussion groups, including private groups. But private groups can only be used by users on Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams), not by Mastodon users.
- Hubzilla and (streams) are both technologically advanced descendants of Friendica from Friendica's own creator. Their learning curves are different grades of steeper than Friendica's. They offer private groups, too, but based on their own advanced permissions systems. These private groups probably only work for users on Hubzilla and (streams); not sure about Friendica users. Mastodon users are out again.
Still, as a user on Friendica, Hubzilla or (streams), you can connect with the rest of the Fediverse, including Mastodon, so no need to have a Mastodon account for Mastodon connections and a Friendica account for Facebook escapees on Friendica.
(streams) is intentionally kept away from places like FediDB and Fediverse Observer, so don't bother looking for its few public instances. If you're still interested, ask me again.
Also, Friendica is the only one of the three with mobile apps. Hubzilla and (streams) can only be installed as PWAs.
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@Ian DeBay Instagram: Pixelfed (wiki). Literally designed as a drop-in replacement for Instagram that should even let you import your Instagram stuff. Official and third-party apps available.
Facebook:- Friendica (wiki)
The classic from 2010, designed as a "Facebook alternative, but better than Facebook" rather than an all-out clone. Very powerful. Third-party phone apps available. - Hubzilla (wiki)
"Decentralised social CMS" forked from Friendica by Friendica's own creator. Older than Mastodon, too. Tremendously powerful, even more secure than Friendica and nomadic, but highly complex, and the UI may be confusing. No phone app available worth mentioning (can be installed as a PWA). No Mastodon app support. - (streams) (wiki)
The newest stable Friendica/Hubzilla descendant. Officially actually nameless and brandless. Still very powerful, nomadic, more modern and less confusing UI, but may still be overwhelming. Currently only two recommendable open-registration instances, both with admin approval, one in the USA, one in Hungary. No phone app available (can be installed as a PWA). No Mastodon app support.
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