#akkoma — Public Fediverse posts
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Also:
"#BS itself is the chief arbiter of how #ATProtocol is defined, something which we've seen used against free communities of users time and time again. Hosting your own BS "#PersonalDataServer (#PDS)" and relay is technically possible, but generally far more difficult and resource-intensive than spinning up an instance of #Mastodon, let alone any of the lighter-weight #ActivityPub servers like #Akkoma or #Starling."
Why did #techBro #JackDorsey reinvent the wheel?
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***Attention!***
To all of my friends here. I realise I have not deleted this account. I have also seen several people follow me here recently. Please be aware that I now almost exclusively post at Mastodon, on someplace.socialat Dreamwidth (not part of the Fediverse)
and at Reddit (not part of the Fediverse, creator/administrator of the Old Opera, and Blind and Fine subreddits)
You can also find me on Escargot Chat (MsN Messenger) at [email protected].
I'm sorry if this has confused anyone. I do/did enjoy Friendica and Akkoma, and they do work with Tweesecake and TWBlue, respectively, , but the main sites have accessibility issues. I am adding certain tags that don't belong here, but this is how many people found me, so please forgive my taking the liberty of adding them. I just want people to be able to find me at the right place.
#accessibility #Akkoma #blind #blindness #cats #contact #dandyism #EscargotChat #Dreamwidth #Friendica #friends #friendship #NewJersey #MSNMessenger #opera #Reddit #technology #TWBlue #TwBlue #Tweesecake #TweeseCake #Windows #WindoewsLiveMessenger #WindowsXP #Windows7
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@steve mookie kong ...which, unfortunately, would limit the features of the backend to what Mastodon itself can do. Because nothing else is implemented in the frontend.
No enclosed threaded conversations. Very limited HTML rendering. No formatting the text of your own messages. No emoji reactions. No images embedded in messages. No more than four images dangling below a message as file attachments.
If anything, someone who is not a Mastodon dev and not even daily-driving Mastodon should soft-fork Mastodon's Web UI and modify it so that it can adjust to the backend and offer all the features of the backend.
If you use it with snac2, you have the full set of snac2's features available.
If you use it with Akkoma, you have the full set of Akkoma's features available.
If you somehow manage to use it with Friendica, you have the full set of Friendica's features available.
Maybe there could be some options in the configuration that can (but don't by default) limit certain features to Mastodon's standard for those who really need the Mastodon UX with a non-Mastodon backend.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Mastodon #snac2 #Akkoma #Friendica #WebInterface -
CW: Mentions and hashtags on Hubzilla are more "normal" in version 11.4, and this probably isn't pandering to Mastodon; CW: long (over 3,200 characters), Fediverse meta, Fediverse-beyond-Mastodon meta, hashtag meta
I've noticed that Hubzilla 11.4 handles mentions and hashtags (closer to) the Twitter way instead of the Identi.ca way now. The@and the#became part of the link (@Jupiter's Fedi-Memes on (streams), #Hashtag, for example).
I wouldn't cry out "pandering to Mastodon" now. I don't think this happened in the same vein as Forte giving the choice between starting an enclosed conversation and starting a microblogging-style loose thread. After all, it's vanilla Mastodon out of all microblogging applications that handles the old Identi.ca way quite gracefully. And even what didn't work as intended didn't cause a big mess instead either.
Other Fediverse applications are way less prepared for this. From the Mastodon fork Glitch to all the *keys and, I think, the *omas, not only can't they handle the Identi.ca way, but they tend to fail rather ungracefully because they don't even expect anything else than the Twitter way. Especially on Misskey, this has been recognised as a bug in 2024 already, and nothing much has happened in terms of fixing it. Of course, all the Forkeys have inherited the bug, and I think none of them has fixed it instead of waiting for upstream Misskey to fix it. I'm not even sure if Iceshrimp.NET, a complete rewrite in C#, hasn't re-implemented it.
I mean, if lots of Fediverse server applications render Hubzilla's old "#Hashtag" (with the number sign outside the link, the Identi.ca way) as its Markdown representation, "#[Hashtag](https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hashtag)", and people keep complaining, then someone has to step in and put an end to this mess. And lots of fingers were pointing at Hubzilla. While tens of thousands of Mastodon accounts blocked Hubzilla channels for their long posts, hundreds of *key accounts blocked Hubzilla channels for how completely messed up their hashtags came out.
Also, unless I'm completely wrong, the first Fediverse server application that handled mentions and hashtags the Twitter way rather than the Identi.ca way wasn't Mastodon either; it was GNU social, itself a fork of StatusNet, the software that used to power Identi.ca before its switch to pump.io.
So this wasn't a case of Hubzilla acting up on Mastodon. It was a case of Hubzilla acting up across at least half the Fediverse, Mastodon actually largely excluded.
That is, it may still worry you that Hubzilla whose foundation was laid in May, 2012, based on Friendica which is another two years older, adapted to software which came later instead of playing the "we were here first" card. A whole lot of software which came later and which was largely created independently from Mastodon (although both Mastodon and Pleroma started their lives as something akin to alternative frontends for GNU social), but still.
By the way, don't Friendica, (streams) and Forte still cause the same issue? Especially Forte that has actually started pandering to Mastodon as of late?
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #GlitchSoc #Pleroma #Akkoma #Misskey #Forkey #Forkeys #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte #Hubzilla11 #Hashtags #HashtagMeta #CWHashtagMeta #Mention #Mentions #MentionTag -
@Chao-c'
BTW I had account on identi.ca, which was StatusNet powered (I believe).
It was. At least until Evan and Erin could no longer justify it running on that janky OStatus protocol. The result was the ActivityPump protocol, the pump.io software and Identi.ca's switch to pump.io with all hands on board.Yes, and it should not be implemented in Ruby or PHP or something like that. I have seen one online discussion forum being rewritten from PHP to Rust few years ago, and the improvement in responsiveness of the web platform was amazing. (I do C, not Rust, but C is too oldschool now, and the performance penalty of Rust is minor, probably not noticeable at all)
This reminds me of how the Fediverse is all over the place in terms of programming languages. Everyone has their own Holy Grail.
Friendica and its descendants are written in PHP. They may not be the fastest (even though what bogged down early Friendica were its heavyweight federation connectors to everywhere, especially the one for Facebook that came in 2011). Mike either discarded or rewrote these when he rewrote Red. But they happily run on a run-of-the-mill LAMP stack.
Mastodon is written in Ruby on Rails. Hubzilla runs circles around it in terms of performance per account/channel, and that has to say something. The only thing that managed to top this was early diaspora*, written in Ruby on Rails for Mac with MongoDB as the database system.
The *omas are built in Elixir. Granted, they're utter featherweights, especially considering their features. They're legendary for their low server impact. Then again, Pleroma apparently is spaghetti code straight from hell. Its own devs often don't have a clue where to go look for bugs, much less how to fix them. (Miraculously, the Akkoma devs do manage to get ride of quite a number of them.)
The *keys are built in TypeScript and Vue.js. I guess one reason why Misskey is infamous for having so many forks and forks of forks is because there are tons of people who can code in JavaScript, the primary mobile programming language.
Iceshrimp.NET is a still very incomplete "rewrite" of old Iceshrimp in C#. It was largely tackled to get rid of all those nasty bugs inherited from Misskey that even Misskey doesn't manage to get rid of. I've heard quite some outcry: Iceshrimp.NET is a sell-out to Microsoft. I guess whoever uttered that didn't go check who owns TypeScript.
PieFed is a dead giveaway: Python. And PieFed makes more headlines in the Threadiverse for server politics than for its underlying technology, except that Lemmy pales in comparison.
GoToSocial is a dead giveaway, too: Go. And it was one of the first Fediverse server applications to not come with a Web UI. Those who use it for a single-user server often don't even bother installing one and use some Mastodon app or other instead. Besides, why drag around a Web UI if there are much better third-party Web UIs than whatever you could whip up?
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Mastodon #Friendica #Hubzilla #Pleroma #Akkoma #Misskey #Forkey #Forkeys #Iceshrimp #IceshrimpJS #Iceshrimp.NET #PieFed #GoToSocial #PHP #RubyOnRails #Elixir #JavaScript #TypeScript #VueJS #C# #Python #Go -
Ich bin nun auch wieder mit meinem 3. Versuch zurück auf Mastodon an alle und an den Zensor und Glaubensbruder (Christ) @ThomasP von seinem Mastodon-Server elizur.me, aber dieses Mal nun über einen anderen und auch neuen Server-Betreiber von Kanoa (AdminForge).
Es wird vorerst nur noch über Kanoa ( https://kanoa.de/@eleazar ) neue Posts von mir auf Mastodon geben, da es über dem alten Account ( https://elizur.me/@eleazar ) und bei dem alten Server-Betreiber leider nicht mehr geht, da ich von ihm stumm geschaltet worden bin.
Also er hat mich damit mundtot gemacht und mir somit ein Maulkorb verpasst, und das sogar auch ohne Angabe von einem (triftigen) Grund.
Jedoch wird auch niemand die Wahrheit aufhalten oder gar unterdrücken können, auch kein Glaubensbruder o. sonst irgendjemand, wofür der Gott der Bibel auch sorgen wird.
Mal schauen, wie es nun hier weitergehen wird und ihr könnt auf neue Posts von mir gespannt sein, die ehrlich und direkt sind.
Ich wünsche euch allen & ganz besonders @ThomasP den Gottes reichen Segen.
PS: Wer mir folgen möchte, kann dies gerne tun, wenn nicht schon geschehen. ( @linuxnews & @atixag )
PPS: Bei Disroot & Akkoma (Pleroma) hat mir das nicht so gefallen, auch wenn es dort ein paar andere & auch gute Funktionen gibt, weshalb ich doch lieber direkt hier bei Mastodon dauerhaft bleiben möchte.
Hashstags: #ichbinwiederzurück #imback #ersterPost #Mastodon #AdminForge #Kanoa #Versuch #Zensor #Glaubensbruder #Christ #ServerBetreiber #Server #Betreiber #ThomasP #elizurme #Account #Profil #Konto #Zensur #Stummschaltung #stumm #mundtot #Maulkorb #ohneGrund #DieWahrheitkommtansTageslicht #DWKAT #Wahrheit #Tageslicht #Licht #Glaubensbruder #Elohim #Gott #JHWH #Jahweh #Jahwe #Jehovah #Jehova #Jahuah #Jahua #Zebaoth #JehoschuaHaMachiach #Jehoschuah #Jeschuah #Jeschua #HaMachiach #JesusChristus #Jesus #Christus #Jesu #Christi #Bibel #Torah #Posts #ehrlich #direkt #Segen #Eleazar #folgen #linuxnews #atixag #Disroot #Akkoma #Pleroma #Funktionen
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Vielleicht sollten wir Bewohner der föderierten Planeten des #Fediverse den Menschen, die #neuhier sind, etwas erklären:
#DasFediverseIstMehr als Mastodon.
In den unendlichen Weiten der digitalen Unabhängigkeit befinden sich so viele Möglichkeiten , das für jede*n etwas dabei ist. Das kann natürlich #Mastodon sein, aber auch:
Microblogging Planeten
#Akkoma
#GoToSocial
#Iceshrimp
#Misskey
#Pleroma
#Sharkey
Die Macroblogging Planeten
#diaspora*
#Friendica
#Hubzilla
#(streams)
Die Fotografie Planeten
#Pixelfed
#Vernissage
Die Publishing Planeten
#Drupal
#Ghost
#Plume
#WordPress
#WriteFreely
Die Video & Live Planeten
#Loops
#Owncast
#Peer Tube
Die Audio & Podcasts.Planeten
#Castopod
#Funkwhale
Der Kalender & Events Planet
#Mobilizon
Der Foren & Diskussionen Planet
Lemmy
Und der Bücher Planet
#BookWyrm
Eine knappe Übersicht gibt es hier:
https://fediversum.info/fediverse-software-und-dienste/
Vielleicht sollten wir Bewohner der föderierten Planeten, aber auch berichten, warum wir unseren Planeten bewohnen und was wir an ihm lieben.
Und wie spannend wäre es zu erfahren, was wie es ist seinen ganz eigenen Planeten zu haben und was man tun muss um ihn zu erschaffen und sich bei Bedarf Mitbewohner zu suchen.
Das Fediverse ist so spannend. Wir sollten davon erzählen, damit die neuen Fediversebewohner neugierig werden und den perfekten Platz für sich finden können. Und auch wir alteingesessenen #Fedinauten lernen immer noch dazu.
Also lasst uns unsere Geschichten erzählen, über unsere Heimatplaneten berichten.
Unter den Hashtags #DasFediverseIstMehr #WirSindFedi #Fediliebe fange ich gleich mit einem ersten Post an. Und ihr, Fedinaut*innen der Planetenrunde?
#DigitaleSouveränität #DIDit #diversität #DasFediverseErzählt -
Vielleicht sollten wir Bewohner der föderierten Planeten des #Fediverse den Menschen, die #neuhier sind, etwas erklären:
#DasFediverseIstMehr als Mastodon.
In den unendlichen Weiten der digitalen Unabhängigkeit befinden sich so viele Möglichkeiten , das für jede*n etwas dabei ist. Das kann natürlich #Mastodon sein, aber auch:
Microblogging Planeten
#Akkoma
#GoToSocial
#Iceshrimp
#Misskey
#Pleroma
#Sharkey
Die Macroblogging Planeten
#diaspora*
#Friendica
#Hubzilla
#(streams)
Die Fotografie Planeten
#Pixelfed
#Vernissage
Die Publishing Planeten
#Drupal
#Ghost
#Plume
#WordPress
#WriteFreely
Die Video & Live Planeten
#Loops
#Owncast
#Peer Tube
Die Audio & Podcasts.Planeten
#Castopod
#Funkwhale
Der Kalender & Events Planet
#Mobilizon
Der Foren & Diskussionen Planet
Lemmy
Und der Bücher Planet
#BookWyrm
Eine knappe Übersicht gibt es hier:
https://fediversum.info/fediverse-software-und-dienste/
Vielleicht sollten wir Bewohner der föderierten Planeten, aber auch berichten, warum wir unseren Planeten bewohnen und was wir an ihm lieben.
Und wie spannend wäre es zu erfahren, was wie es ist seinen ganz eigenen Planeten zu haben und was man tun muss um ihn zu erschaffen und sich bei Bedarf Mitbewohner zu suchen.
Das Fediverse ist so spannend. Wir sollten davon erzählen, damit die neuen Fediversebewohner neugierig werden und den perfekten Platz für sich finden können. Und auch wir alteingesessenen #Fedinauten lernen immer noch dazu.
Also lasst uns unsere Geschichten erzählen, über unsere Heimatplaneten berichten.
Unter den Hashtags #DasFediverseIstMehr #WirSindFedi #Fediliebe fange ich gleich mit einem ersten Post an. Und ihr, Fedinaut*innen der Planetenrunde?
#DigitaleSouveränität #DIDit #diversität #DasFediverseErzählt -
Vielleicht sollten wir Bewohner der föderierten Planeten des #Fediverse den Menschen, die #neuhier sind, etwas erklären:
#DasFediverseIstMehr als Mastodon.
In den unendlichen Weiten der digitalen Unabhängigkeit befinden sich so viele Möglichkeiten , das für jede*n etwas dabei ist. Das kann natürlich #Mastodon sein, aber auch:
Microblogging Planeten
#Akkoma
#GoToSocial
#Iceshrimp
#Misskey
#Pleroma
#Sharkey
Die Macroblogging Planeten
#diaspora*
#Friendica
#Hubzilla
#(streams)
Die Fotografie Planeten
#Pixelfed
#Vernissage
Die Publishing Planeten
#Drupal
#Ghost
#Plume
#WordPress
#WriteFreely
Die Video & Live Planeten
#Loops
#Owncast
#Peer Tube
Die Audio & Podcasts.Planeten
#Castopod
#Funkwhale
Der Kalender & Events Planet
#Mobilizon
Der Foren & Diskussionen Planet
Lemmy
Und der Bücher Planet
#BookWyrm
Eine knappe Übersicht gibt es hier:
https://fediversum.info/fediverse-software-und-dienste/
Vielleicht sollten wir Bewohner der föderierten Planeten, aber auch berichten, warum wir unseren Planeten bewohnen und was wir an ihm lieben.
Und wie spannend wäre es zu erfahren, was wie es ist seinen ganz eigenen Planeten zu haben und was man tun muss um ihn zu erschaffen und sich bei Bedarf Mitbewohner zu suchen.
Das Fediverse ist so spannend. Wir sollten davon erzählen, damit die neuen Fediversebewohner neugierig werden und den perfekten Platz für sich finden können. Und auch wir alteingesessenen #Fedinauten lernen immer noch dazu.
Also lasst uns unsere Geschichten erzählen, über unsere Heimatplaneten berichten.
Unter den Hashtags #DasFediverseIstMehr #WirSindFedi #Fediliebe fange ich gleich mit einem ersten Post an. Und ihr, Fedinaut*innen der Planetenrunde?
#DigitaleSouveränität #DIDit #diversität #DasFediverseErzählt -
Vielleicht sollten wir Bewohner der föderierten Planeten des #Fediverse den Menschen, die #neuhier sind, etwas erklären:
#DasFediverseIstMehr als Mastodon.
In den unendlichen Weiten der digitalen Unabhängigkeit befinden sich so viele Möglichkeiten , das für jede*n etwas dabei ist. Das kann natürlich #Mastodon sein, aber auch:
Microblogging Planeten
#Akkoma
#GoToSocial
#Iceshrimp
#Misskey
#Pleroma
#Sharkey
Die Macroblogging Planeten
#diaspora*
#Friendica
#Hubzilla
#(streams)
Die Fotografie Planeten
#Pixelfed
#Vernissage
Die Publishing Planeten
#Drupal
#Ghost
#Plume
#WordPress
#WriteFreely
Die Video & Live Planeten
#Loops
#Owncast
#Peer Tube
Die Audio & Podcasts.Planeten
#Castopod
#Funkwhale
Der Kalender & Events Planet
#Mobilizon
Der Foren & Diskussionen Planet
Lemmy
Und der Bücher Planet
#BookWyrm
Eine knappe Übersicht gibt es hier:
https://fediversum.info/fediverse-software-und-dienste/
Vielleicht sollten wir Bewohner der föderierten Planeten, aber auch berichten, warum wir unseren Planeten bewohnen und was wir an ihm lieben.
Und wie spannend wäre es zu erfahren, was wie es ist seinen ganz eigenen Planeten zu haben und was man tun muss um ihn zu erschaffen und sich bei Bedarf Mitbewohner zu suchen.
Das Fediverse ist so spannend. Wir sollten davon erzählen, damit die neuen Fediversebewohner neugierig werden und den perfekten Platz für sich finden können. Und auch wir alteingesessenen #Fedinauten lernen immer noch dazu.
Also lasst uns unsere Geschichten erzählen, über unsere Heimatplaneten berichten.
Unter den Hashtags #DasFediverseIstMehr #WirSindFedi #Fediliebe fange ich gleich mit einem ersten Post an. Und ihr, Fedinaut*innen der Planetenrunde?
#DigitaleSouveränität #DIDit #diversität #DasFediverseErzählt -
Vielleicht sollten wir Bewohner der föderierten Planeten des #Fediverse den Menschen, die #neuhier sind, etwas erklären:
#DasFediverseIstMehr als Mastodon.
In den unendlichen Weiten der digitalen Unabhängigkeit befinden sich so viele Möglichkeiten , das für jede*n etwas dabei ist. Das kann natürlich #Mastodon sein, aber auch:
Microblogging Planeten
#Akkoma
#GoToSocial
#Iceshrimp
#Misskey
#Pleroma
#Sharkey
Die Macroblogging Planeten
#diaspora*
#Friendica
#Hubzilla
#(streams)
Die Fotografie Planeten
#Pixelfed
#Vernissage
Die Publishing Planeten
#Drupal
#Ghost
#Plume
#WordPress
#WriteFreely
Die Video & Live Planeten
#Loops
#Owncast
#Peer Tube
Die Audio & Podcasts.Planeten
#Castopod
#Funkwhale
Der Kalender & Events Planet
#Mobilizon
Der Foren & Diskussionen Planet
Lemmy
Und der Bücher Planet
#BookWyrm
Eine knappe Übersicht gibt es hier:
https://fediversum.info/fediverse-software-und-dienste/
Vielleicht sollten wir Bewohner der föderierten Planeten, aber auch berichten, warum wir unseren Planeten bewohnen und was wir an ihm lieben.
Und wie spannend wäre es zu erfahren, was wie es ist seinen ganz eigenen Planeten zu haben und was man tun muss um ihn zu erschaffen und sich bei Bedarf Mitbewohner zu suchen.
Das Fediverse ist so spannend. Wir sollten davon erzählen, damit die neuen Fediversebewohner neugierig werden und den perfekten Platz für sich finden können. Und auch wir alteingesessenen #Fedinauten lernen immer noch dazu.
Also lasst uns unsere Geschichten erzählen, über unsere Heimatplaneten berichten.
Unter den Hashtags #DasFediverseIstMehr #WirSindFedi #Fediliebe fange ich gleich mit einem ersten Post an. Und ihr, Fedinaut*innen der Planetenrunde?
#DigitaleSouveränität #DIDit #diversität #DasFediverseErzählt -
Hum, trying out the Ghost Fediverse integration and for now I see:
- No Ghost -> Akkoma notes, but likes carry over
- Private mentions on both Akkoma and Mastodon are not sent to Ghost (or at least not displayed?)
Need more testing, but I hope to find the reason for this! I would love to have it fix or at least help
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@Robert Frank Wenn man selbst nur Mastodon nutzt, fühlt es sich piepschnurzegal an. Dann nimmt man eh das ganze Fediverse als nur Mastodon wahr und die Unterschiede zwischen Mastodon und Nicht-Mastodon fast überhaupt nicht.
Wenn man selbst aber etwas ganz anderes im Fediverse nutzt als Mastodon, dann ist es immens wichtig.
Ich selbst bin nicht auf Mastodon. Ich bin auf Hubzilla (https://hubzilla.org, https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubzilla, https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/0a75de76-eb27-4149-b708-f20b2f79d392). Das funktioniert völlig anders als Mastodon, das hat ein völlig anderes Konzept als Mastodon, das wird von Mastodon völlig unabhängig entwickelt. Es hat Features, die auf Mastodon unvorstellbar sind. Noch dazu ist es zehn Monate älter als Mastodon. Es geht sogar zurück auf Friendica, das mehr als fünfeinhalb Jahre älter ist als Mastodon.
Aber wie du mit eigenen Augen sehen kannst, kann ich Mastodon-Tröts nicht nur empfangen, sondern auch von Hubzilla aus kommentieren.
Wenn jemand das komplette Fediverse meint, es aber "Mastodon" nennt, dann meint er mich zwar damit, spricht mich aber nicht an. Ich bin ja nicht auf Mastodon.
Wenn jemand einen meiner Posts oder Kommentare als "Tröt" bezeichnet in der Annahme, ich sei auch auf Mastodon, dann ist beides sachlich falsch.
Wenn jemand sich wünscht, "das Fediverse" möge endlich ein bestimmtes Feature einführen, nur weil Mastodon es nicht hat, dann kann ich mir nur vor den Kopf schlagen. In den allermeisten Fällen hat Hubzilla genau dieses Feature schon zehn Monate länger, als es Mastodon überhaupt gibt. Sehr häufig hat Friendica dieses Feature schon etliche Jahre länger, als es Mastodon überhaupt gibt. Das Fediverse hat dieses Feature also. Mastodon hat es nicht, aber das Fediverse hat es.
Wenn jemand dagegen ist, daß "das Fediverse" ein bestimmtes Feature einführt, dem sei gesagt: Höchstwahrscheinlich hat das Fediverse dieses Feature schon. Mastodon nicht, aber das Fediverse. Denn höchstwahrscheinlich hatten Friendica und Hubzilla es schon immer, also auch wieder länger, als es Mastodon überhaupt gibt.
Am besten war noch der Widerstand gegen Quote-Posts. "Das Fediverse" sollte die auf gar keinen Fall einführen, sagten einige. Der Witz: Pleroma, Akkoma, Misskey, Calckey, Firefish, CherryPick, Sharkey, Iceshrimp, Catodon, GoToSocial, Mitra, Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams), Forte usw., sie alle haben Quote-Posts. Und zwar schon länger, als es diese Debatte auf Mastodon überhaupt gibt. Und sie alle (außer GoToSocial) können widerstandslos jeden, aber auch wirklich jeden Mastodon-Tröt quote-posten.
Oder damals der Widerstand gegen Volltextsuche. Auf gar keinen Fall sollte "das Fediverse" Volltextsuche haben. Nur hatte das Fediverse schon längst Volltextsuche: Friendica war schon im Mai 2010 mit eingebauter Volltextsuche an den Start gegangen.
Ach ja: Zeichenlimits. Wer "Mastodon" und "Fediverse" gleichsetzt, für den hat auch das Fediverse ein festgelegtes Limit von 500 Zeichen. Friendica und Hubzilla hatten aber nie wirklich Zeichenlimits. In deren Kultur kommen auch keine Zeichenlimits vor. Aktuell haben sie übrigens ein "Limit" von über 16,7 Millionen Zeichen. Bis auf Threads hat alles im Fediverse ein sehr viel höheres Zeichenlimit als Mastodon. Entsprechend kriegen Nicht-Mastodon-Nutzer ständig auf den Deckel, wenn sie das angeblich von Gargron für das ganze Fediverse festgeschriebene Limit von 500 Zeichen überschreiten.
Also: Das Fediverse ist nicht nur Mastodon. Das Fediverse war auch nie nur Mastodon. Das Fediverse ist nicht nur ein Twitter-Klon. Das Fediverse hat sehr viel mehr Features als Mastodon. Und das Fediverse hat auch nicht überall dieselbe Kultur und wird sie auch nie haben.
CC: @Knust @Katharina Nocun
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #QuotePost #QuotePosts #QuoteTweet #QuoteTweets #QuoteToot #QuoteToots #QuoteTröt #QuoteTröts #QuoteBoost #QuoteBoosts #Zeichenlimit #Zeichenlimits #ZeichenlimitMeta #CWZeichenlimitMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #NichtNurMastodon #Pleroma #Akkoma #Misskey #Calckey #Firefish #CherryPick #Sharkey #Iceshrimp #Catodon #GoToSocial #Mitra #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte #MastodonZentrizität #MastodonNormativität -
CW: The various issues with quote-posts on Mastodon that nobody on Mastodon is aware of; CW: long (almost 6,800 characters), Fediverse meta, Fediverse-beyond-Mastodon meta, Mastodon looking bad in comparison with the rest of the Fediverse, quote-post meta
Okay, everyone, sit down. I'll tell you a few things about Mastodon's quote-post feature that you know nothing about. Definitely not if all you know is Mastodon. Oh, and by the way, in case you don't know yet in spite of following me: The Fediverse is not only Mastodon.Mastodon has been quote-post-able for as long as it has been around
Eugen Rochko is bringing quote-posts to Mastodon. But he is not bringing quote-posts to the Fediverse. The Fediverse has had quote-posts for 15 years.
It was Mike Macgirvin who introduced quote-posts to the Fediverse in July, 2010, when he launched something called Mistpark back then and Friendica today (https://friendi.ca, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendica). That was five and a half years before Mastodon was launched.
In fact, when Mastodon was launched, it immediately federated itself with Friendica and with Hubzilla, a fork of a fork of Friendica by Friendica's own creator which has quote-posts, too. So when Mastodon was launched, it immediately became possible to quote-post Mastodon toots. Not on Mastodon itself, but on Friendica and Hubzilla.Just about everything that isn't Mastodon has already got quote-posts right now
Here are a few (but not even all) Fediverse server applications that already have quote-posts:
And they're all part of the Fediverse which means that they're all connected to Mastodon. People on all of these can theoretically read your Mastodon toots. And people on all of these can theoretically quote-post your Mastodon toots.Mastodon's quote-post opt-in is not a water-tight defence against being quote-posted
So you can choose not to be quote-posted. But you can only choose not to be quote-posted by Mastodon users. This opt-in does not work with the rest of the Fediverse.
First of all, that's because Mastodon's quote-post feature is not compatible with anything else out there. Mastodon's developers have chosen to re-invent the quote-posting wheel from scratch. They've intentionally chosen to do so in a way that's completely incompatible with everything else out there.
Their intention was to reinforce Mastodon's appearance to its own users as the one and only Fediverse and ActivityPub gold standard and to make Pleroma, Akkoma, Misskey, Firefish, Iceshrimp, Sharkey, CherryPick, Catodon, Mitra, Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams), Forte etc. look broken. It's part of their plan to keep Mastodon users on Mastodon in the wake of Mastodon's market share in the Fediverse shrinking.
Also, they did not publish any specifications on their quote-post implementation, so even those non-Mastodon developers who are fast enough didn't have a chance to implement support for Mastodon's opt-in.
This means that even if you've set your posts to un-quote-post-able on Mastodon, everything I've listed above can still quote-post you with no resistance.Absolute Fediverse-wide protection against being quote-posted is impossible
And don't get your hopes high that the day will come when nobody on the Fediverse will be able to quote-post you, whether they're on Mastodon or not. Such a setting is technologically impossible.
Who says that? Mike Macgirvin says that. The guy who launched Friendica and brought quote-posts to the Fediverse 15 years ago, remember? This guy has built the Fediverse's most elaborate, most complex, most fine-grained, most advanced permissions system into (streams) and Forte.
These two have reply control, the kind of which you couldn't image in your wildest dreams. I'm serious. They have permissions settings for almost everything on two or three levels, for your whole channel, individually per contact and sometimes even per post or per file or folder in the file storage.
But they don't have quote-post permission settings. Because that's impossible to enforce Fediverse-wide. And even if it was possible, it'd be pointless. If they can't quote-post you, they'll copy-paste you. If they can't copy-paste you either because they're on a phone, they'll post screenshots of your toots.
Mike also says, there is exactly one way to keep people from quote-posting you, and that's by not posting in public. Unfortunately, unlike what he has created, Mastodon has little between "public" and "DM", if anything.Mastodon cannot quote-post the non-Mastodon Fediverse
This may be the big surprise: It has recently been discovered by chance that Mastodon's quote-post feature only works with Mastodon toots.
On the one hand, Pleroma, Akkoma, Misskey, Sharkey, Friendica, Hubzilla etc. can quote-post just about everything that comes in from Mastodon. But on the other hand, no Mastodon 4.5 user will be able to quote-post anything from either of these. Or from Pixelfed or PeerTube or Loops or Castopod or WriteFreely or whatever.
That's because Mastodon is looking for a quote-post opt-in. But nothing else in the Fediverse supports Mastodon's quote-post opt-in, also seeing as it's still officially in development. And it's highly unlikely that everything in the Fediverse will adopt another piece of non-standard, proprietary Mastodon tech."Quote" actually means something else
Lastly, Mastodon has the audacity to call this feature "quote".
A "quote" is something else. Remember forums? Like, bulletin-board forums with subforums and all? Where posts are quoted in follow-ups, entirely or only partially? That's what a quote is. That has got nothing to do with quote-posts.
Why I say that there's a difference? Because I also say that Friendica has had both quotes and quote-posts.
It has had them for 15 years, both quotes (which it calls "quotes", go figure) and quote-posts (which it calls "quoted shares", and which include the original author of the quoted post, complete with their profile picture and a clickable link to them, as well as a clickable link to the original post).
Hubzilla has both. (streams) has both. Forte has both. And I wouldn't be surprised if other Fediverse server software had both, too.
The irony is that Mastodon itself has been able to render actual quotes since version 4.0 from October, 2022. At the same time, it will continue to be unable to render any quote-posts done outside of Mastodon for the foreseeable future.
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@silverpill Who are the longformers anyway?
They're those who either are commercial or looking for professional/commercial users or both. Flipboard. Automattic (WordPress). Ghost. These kinds.
They know themselves. They know each other. And they know Mastodon. And that's it.
None of them has ever heard of Pleroma or Akkoma.
None of them has ever heard of Misskey or the Forkeys.
None of them has ever heard of Mitra.
None of them has ever heard of GoToSocial.
None of them has ever heard of Hollo.
None of them has ever heard of Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) or Forte, even though Friendica and Hubzilla are both older than Mastodon. And apparently, neither has @Helge. But then again, Friendica and its nomadic, security-enhanced descendants are being overlooked by almost everyone. That's why there's always on-going work for features to be "introduced to the Fediverse" which Friendica has had for a decade and a half.
Granted, the HTML support on Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte can be summarised with "yes". But elaborate tables that show what either of them supports how would be very useful.
Also, granted, everything I've mentioned above (normally) uses something else than HTML for formatting in the frontend. For example, Misskey and all Forkeys use MFM ("Misskey-Flavoured Markdown"). Friendica uses extended BBcode with the option to use Markdown instead. Hubzilla uses even more extended BBcode. (streams) and Forte can use the same even more extended BBcode and Markdown and HTML at the same time within the same post, although not all markup languages support all features.
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@Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸 The Mastodon devs are talking as if either the Fediverse is only Mastodon, or the Fediverse as a whole doesn't have quote-posts.
Neither of this is true. The Fediverse has had quote-posts since July 2nd, 2010 when Mistpark (now known as Friendica) was launched. Mastodon toots have been quote-post-able since Mastodon itself was launched, for when Mastodon was launched, it immediately federated with at least two Fediverse server applications that have quote-posts, namely Friendica and Hubzilla, a fork of a fork of Friendica by Friendica's own creator.
Nowadays, at least Pleroma, Akkoma, all other Pleroma forks, Misskey, Calckey, Firefish, Iceshrimp-JS, Iceshrimp.NET, CherryPick, Sharkey, all other Misskey forks, Mitra, Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte can quote-post Mastodon toots with no problem.
And Mastodon won't be able to stop them. No, seriously, it won't. Not with a non-standard, proprietary, home-brew opt-in or opt-out switch that doesn't tie into anything that the other Fediverse server apps have. And whatever switch Mastodon is working on will not tie into anything that already exists.
Let me put it this way: Hubzilla has the second-most advanced and fine-grained permissions system in the Fediverse. It goes well beyond most people's imagination. It works on three levels: for the whole channel (that's similar to a Mastodon account), for individual contacts (that's "followers" in Mastodon lingo, but Hubzilla doesn't distinguish between followers and followed), for individual content. (streams) and Forte are the only ones with an even more advanced and fine-grained permissions system.
But even they don't have a quote-post permission setting. And they have permission settings for just about everything. You want reply control in the Fediverse? Hubzilla has reply control, and (streams) and Forte have reply control on steroids. But what they don't have is a quote-posting permission because that's next to impossible to control across the Fediverse even with the most advanced permissions system.
As @Mike Macgirvin ?️ (professional software developer for almost half a century, designer of two Fediverse protocols, creator of Friendica and Hubzilla, inventor of nomadic identity, creator and maintainer of (streams) and Forte) says: The only way to make your posts un-quote-post-able is by not posting in public and not allowing everyone in the Fediverse full access to your posts. Set your "Who can quote" however you want, I'll always be able to quote-post all your public posts with no problem and with no resistance.
So what chance does Mastodon have then? Mastodon which doesn't even know what permissions are? Developed by Eugen Rochko who actually has a history of head-butting with Mike Macgirvin, and who would never take any step towards anything that Mike has ever developed?
I'm commenting from Hubzilla right now, and I'm also on (streams). And I can tell you: If you make any of your posts "un-quote-post-able", this still won't make my Share buttons on Hubzilla and (streams) disappear.
CC: @Stefan Bohacek @FinchHaven sfba
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@Stevie Cat, Daisy Dog & Betty So I guess you're one of those who have joined Mastodon in the second Twitter migration wave in November 2022, and who still "know" that the Fediverse is only Mastodon. Their nice and cosy and fluffy Mastodon.
Well, then I've got a very very uncomfortable and upsetting truth to reveal to you: The Fediverse is not only Mastodon. It is more than just Mastodon.
There's a whole lot more stuff in the Fediverse, and all of it is connected to Mastodon just like Mastodon instances are connected to one another.
For example, there are dozens of other Twitter-like microblogging projects. Mastodon forks such as Glitch or Hometown. Pleroma. Pleroma forks such as Akkoma. Misskey. Dozens of Misskey forks such as Firefish, Iceshrimp, Sharkey, Catodon, Hajkey, Meisskey etc.
There are "Reddit clones" like Lemmy or /kbin.
There is the "Instagram clone" Pixelfed.
There is the YouTube stand-in PeerTube.
There is the Twitch stand-in Owncast.
There are the "Medium clones" WriteFreely and Plume.
There is the "Goodreads clone" BookWyrm.
There are the Facebook alternatives Friendica and (streams) as well as Hubzilla which goes well beyond being a Facebook alternative.
And a lot more.
All this is in the Fediverse, and all this is connected to Mastodon, whether you want or not. It's normal. It's intended. It's the very idea behind the Fediverse. And it has always been the idea behind the Fediverse.
Look at my mentions, how weird they look. Look at my hashtags, how weird they look. Look at this post and how it exceeds 500 characters. Look at my bold type. Look at my italics. All stuff that Mastodon can't do.
But how can I possibly do it if Mastodon can't do it?
Because I'm not on Mastodon. I'm on Hubzilla. Hubzilla is not a Mastodon instance. Hubzilla is not even a Mastodon fork. Hubzilla is developed completely independently from Mastodon. And Hubzilla is almost a year older than Mastodon. And yet, I can read what you've posted, and I can reply to you.
That's because Hubzilla is part of the Fediverse, just like Mastodon is. And it has always been.
CC: @Shiri Bailem @JP @eishiya
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CW: Hubzilla delivery report revealed that Misskey and the Forkeys refuse to accept 26,000-character posts; CW: long (1,300 characters), Fediverse meta, non-Mastodon Fediverse meta, character limit meta
I've recently sent a post with 26,000+ characters. The delivery report tells me that every last *key instance had problems with it.
They often rejected it entirely with an error 413. (delivery rejected: 413 {"statusCode":413,"code":"FST_ERR_CTP_BODY_TOO_LARGE","error":"Payload Too Large","message":"Re)
This means that Misskey and the Forkeys have a hard limit not at 50,000 characters as I previously thought, but at 25,000 characters, 20,000 characters or even lower, and they refuse to accept any incoming objects that are longer. I mean, I know that Mastodon has a 100,000-character limit that acts the same, and I think I've read that so have Pleroma and Akkoma, but that limit has to be ridiculously low. Essentially, I can barely send virtual world pictures with sufficient image descriptions out to Misskey and the Forkeys.
Of course, this stays largely unnoticed because there are only so many users in the Fediverse who a) write posts that grow that long and b) have access to delivery reports for their own posts. Another advantage of being on Hubzilla.
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"Unsure where to register to join Fediverse? Choose from this curated list." - Die Webseite https://fediverse.party/en/portal/servers/ bietet eine kuratierte Liste von Fediverse-Instanzen und möchte Menschen helfen, "ihre Community zu finden".
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