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  1. CW: Mentions and hashtags on Hubzilla are more "normal" in version 11.4, and this probably isn't pandering to Mastodon; CW: long (over 3,200 characters), Fediverse meta, Fediverse-beyond-Mastodon meta, hashtag meta
    I've noticed that Hubzilla 11.4 handles mentions and hashtags (closer to) the Twitter way instead of the Identi.ca way now. The @ and the # became part of the link (@Jupiter's Fedi-Memes on (streams), #Hashtag, for example).

    I wouldn't cry out "pandering to Mastodon" now. I don't think this happened in the same vein as Forte giving the choice between starting an enclosed conversation and starting a microblogging-style loose thread. After all, it's vanilla Mastodon out of all microblogging applications that handles the old Identi.ca way quite gracefully. And even what didn't work as intended didn't cause a big mess instead either.

    Other Fediverse applications are way less prepared for this. From the Mastodon fork Glitch to all the *keys and, I think, the *omas, not only can't they handle the Identi.ca way, but they tend to fail rather ungracefully because they don't even expect anything else than the Twitter way. Especially on Misskey, this has been recognised as a bug in 2024 already, and nothing much has happened in terms of fixing it. Of course, all the Forkeys have inherited the bug, and I think none of them has fixed it instead of waiting for upstream Misskey to fix it. I'm not even sure if Iceshrimp.NET, a complete rewrite in C#, hasn't re-implemented it.

    I mean, if lots of Fediverse server applications render Hubzilla's old "#Hashtag" (with the number sign outside the link, the Identi.ca way) as its Markdown representation, "#[Hashtag](https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hashtag)", and people keep complaining, then someone has to step in and put an end to this mess. And lots of fingers were pointing at Hubzilla. While tens of thousands of Mastodon accounts blocked Hubzilla channels for their long posts, hundreds of *key accounts blocked Hubzilla channels for how completely messed up their hashtags came out.

    Also, unless I'm completely wrong, the first Fediverse server application that handled mentions and hashtags the Twitter way rather than the Identi.ca way wasn't Mastodon either; it was GNU social, itself a fork of StatusNet, the software that used to power Identi.ca before its switch to pump.io.

    So this wasn't a case of Hubzilla acting up on Mastodon. It was a case of Hubzilla acting up across at least half the Fediverse, Mastodon actually largely excluded.

    That is, it may still worry you that Hubzilla whose foundation was laid in May, 2012, based on Friendica which is another two years older, adapted to software which came later instead of playing the "we were here first" card. A whole lot of software which came later and which was largely created independently from Mastodon (although both Mastodon and Pleroma started their lives as something akin to alternative frontends for GNU social), but still.

    By the way, don't Friendica, (streams) and Forte still cause the same issue? Especially Forte that has actually started pandering to Mastodon as of late?

    #Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #GlitchSoc #Pleroma #Akkoma #Misskey #Forkey #Forkeys #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte #Hubzilla11 #Hashtags #HashtagMeta #CWHashtagMeta #Mention #Mentions #MentionTag
  2. @don diese #GlitchSoc -Instanz könnte z.T. passen:
    neuromatch.social/directory
    ist auch bei #FediGarden gelistet
    Dann gibt es noch mstdn.science und deutschsprachig medic.cafe/directory und vielleicht wisskomm.social

    Hier gibt es auch Account- und Instnzlisten (#NichtNurMastodon , auch wenn das draufsteht) für #Academics: nathanlesage.github.io/academi
    ... leider zum Großteil in #GoogleForms 😒

  3. @D.Hamlin.Music Okay, let me demonstrate it this way. I hope Glitch can at least display multiple-line code blocks. If not, I give up, for there's absolutely no way of showing you what I mean.

    On Twitter, Mastodon and everything else that "does microblogging", a hashtag includes the hashtag character in the link. In #[zrl=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hashtag]Hashtag[/zrl], everything is part of the link and part of the hashtag.

    All this is a link
        |
    ________
    #[zrl=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hashtag]Hashtag[/zrl]

    Look at the hashtags that you're used to. The # is always part of the link and part of the hashtag.

    This is what Mastodon used to expect. And this is what Glitch (which is where you are) and Iceshrimp.NET (which is where @Lunawawa :neofox_snug: :therian: is) still expect and nothing else.

    Friendica, Hubzilla (which is where I am) and (streams) work differently, also because Friendica is five and a half years older than Mastodon, Hubzilla is an indirect Friendica fork, and (streams) is an indirect Mastodon fork.

    In #[zrl=https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/search?tag=Hashtag]Hashtag[/zrl], the # is decoration, not part of the link, not part of the hashtag. Only Hashtag is the link and the actual hashtag.

    Neither Glitch nor Iceshrimp.NET can handle this. Their devs have probably never seen any of this. They neither know it exists, nor do they even only expect it to exist.

    Result: Glitch "sanitises" the unknown, unexpected, "IDFK what this is" code away, just like Mastodon probably used to do until someone from Friendica or Hubzilla filed a bug on GitHub. And Iceshrimp.NET doesn't know how to handle this unexpected code at all. It fails ungracefully by going completely haywire.

    I'm going to file a bug on the Glitch repository now. For Iceshrimp.NET, I'll need an account on its repository.

    The following hashtags are only for discovery purposes and for sensible users to filter this comment out.

    #Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Glitch #GlitchSoc #Glitch_Soc #Iceshrimp #Iceshrimp.NET #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Hashtag #Hashtags #HashtagMeta #CWHashtagMeta
  4. @D.Hamlin.Music @Lunawawa :neofox_snug: :therian: The problem is most likely that Mistpark, now Friendica, introduced hashtags that do not include the "hashtag character" into the link. All of Friendica's descendants took this behaviour over, including Hubzilla and (streams).

    #Hashtag

    Twitter/𝕏 has always included the "hashtag character" into the link. All the Twitter replacements, Mastodon, Pleroma, Misskey and their forks, have taken this behaviour over.

    #Hashtag

    However, they largely expect or used to expect everything in the Fediverse to do that. The way Friendica and its descendants do hashtags is unexpected and highly irritating to them. Vanilla Mastodon has largely fixed their hashtag handling; only the extraction of the hashtags in the last line doesn't work properly yet.

    Apparently, this fix was introduced to vanilla Mastodon after the Glitch fork, and Glitch has never taken it over. And the Iceshrimp.NET devs seem not to know about this phenomenon either.

    #Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Hashtag #Hashtags #HashtagMeta #CWHashtagMeta #Glitch #GlitchSoc #Glitch_Soc #Iceshrimp #Iceshrimp.NET #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams)
  5. #TheresLife had now been updated to the latest version of #GlitchSoc. The most notable new feature is the new language selector. You can now say what language your post is written in, which allows people to filter for languages more easily.

    This is particularly useful for accounts that post in multiple languages.

  6. CW: (Re-)Introduction

    Started an alt for @FiXato here on toot.cat to see if #Glitchsoc is a closer match to what I want out of a #SocialMediaPlatform, feature-wise.
    So, it's time for a re-introduction:

    Who am I?

    -=-
    I'm FiXato, a stay-at-home father of a two-year-old I often refer to as #BeardGrabber.
    While I was born in the Netherlands, I've been living in northern Norway for quite some time now.

    What do I do?

    -=-
    In day-to-day life I take care of our son while the missus is at work, and when I have some spare time and headspace, I like to tinker on my various coding projects.

    Aside from that, I like to play some mobile Android games such as #PokémonGO, #Ingress and #MarioKartTour.

    Overview in hashtags:

    -=-

    #music:
    #metal
    #chiptune
    #FiXatoListens

    Fan of:
    #TerryPratchett's #DiscWorld
    #StephenKing's #DarkTower
    #StarTrek
    #DoctorWho

    #introductions #WhoAmI #introduction
    #FiXato