#guppe — Public Fediverse posts
Live and recent posts from across the Fediverse tagged #guppe, aggregated by home.social.
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@Ketakater @mfuhrmann Ja, a.gup.pe ist tatsächlich weg, die Domain existiert nicht mehr.
Nun ist's erst recht bitter, dass chirp.social abgeschaltet wurde, weil alle auf gup.pe verharrten. 😕
Hat fedigroups.social sich als Ersatz etabliert? Bin bloß zufällig darauf gestoßen.
#guppe #fedigroups #chirp #AskFedi -
In case you missed it, the Guppe discussion group system has permanently closed down.
However, there is a replacement discussion system run by Fedigroups.social. I've tried to list the active public FediGroups at:
➡️ https://fedi.directory/tag/fediverse-groups
- To follow a listed group, copy-paste its Fediverse address into the search box in Mastodon, then click "Follow".
- To post to a group, mention its account in your post.
More info about using groups at:
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@berlincyclingdiary ⚠️ #guppe ist schon seit Wochen tot, die Domain 🚫gup.pe wurde geklaut. 👿
Statt [email protected] jetzt z.B. bei #fedigroups schauen, welche da schon angegelgt wurden oder die gewünschte selbst anlegen: https://about.fedigroups.social/
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bummer. only just found out that Gup.pe groups no longer work & that the service is irredeemably broken, with the domain hijacked by someone pushing sign-up to fastmail.com. (Not a great look Fastmail.)
https://github.com/immers-space/guppe/issues/118
I found @[email protected] pretty useful. The STS group too.
Has anyone tried out alternatives?
Would @[email protected] be worthwhile? Or @[email protected]?
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@flyingbeagle Und alle a.gup.pe entfolgen, damit die nicht doch aus Versehen adressiert werden. #aguppe #guppe #GuppeGroups
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@Tusky Please add a function to filter accounts I follow. I want to find all #GuppeGroups to remove them.
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The other thing that the #Guppe incident showed us is that the #Fediverse seriously needs the #Nomadic protocol.
Let's say the Fediverse understands the protocol: just move to a new domain, inform all instances "this is the new domain, automatically re-subscribe please", done. Life goes on for regular people.
I am not saying it is that easy or that's how exactly it will work. But it could've been avoided. Right now, entire communities are gone, many who were relying on it are now disconnected. (Then again, I can argue that it's time to clean the membership since many accounts are also stagnant.)
So, when? #ActivityPub2 ?
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The other thing that the #Guppe incident showed us is that the #Fediverse seriously needs the #Nomadic protocol.
Let's say the Fediverse understands the protocol: just move to a new domain, inform all instances "this is the new domain, automatically re-subscribe please", done. Life goes on for regular people.
I am not saying it is that easy or that's how exactly it will work. But it could've been avoided. Right now, entire communities are gone, many who were relying on it are now disconnected. (Then again, I can argue that it's time to clean the membership since many accounts are also stagnant.)
So, when? #ActivityPub2 ?
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The other thing that the #Guppe incident showed us is that the #Fediverse seriously needs the #Nomadic protocol.
Let's say the Fediverse understands the protocol: just move to a new domain, inform all instances "this is the new domain, automatically re-subscribe please", done. Life goes on for regular people.
I am not saying it is that easy or that's how exactly it will work. But it could've been avoided. Right now, entire communities are gone, many who were relying on it are now disconnected. (Then again, I can argue that it's time to clean the membership since many accounts are also stagnant.)
So, when? #ActivityPub2 ?
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The other thing that the #Guppe incident showed us is that the #Fediverse seriously needs the #Nomadic protocol.
Let's say the Fediverse understands the protocol: just move to a new domain, inform all instances "this is the new domain, automatically re-subscribe please", done. Life goes on for regular people.
I am not saying it is that easy or that's how exactly it will work. But it could've been avoided. Right now, entire communities are gone, many who were relying on it are now disconnected. (Then again, I can argue that it's time to clean the membership since many accounts are also stagnant.)
So, when? #ActivityPub2 ?
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The other thing that the #Guppe incident showed us is that the #Fediverse seriously needs the #Nomadic protocol.
Let's say the Fediverse understands the protocol: just move to a new domain, inform all instances "this is the new domain, automatically re-subscribe please", done. Life goes on for regular people.
I am not saying it is that easy or that's how exactly it will work. But it could've been avoided. Right now, entire communities are gone, many who were relying on it are now disconnected. (Then again, I can argue that it's time to clean the membership since many accounts are also stagnant.)
So, when? #ActivityPub2 ?
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The situation with #Guppe wouldn't happen if it was really decentralized aka #p2p fault tolerant tech. Like #Namecoin , .ens IPNS #IPFS, or #nostr #pubky #ZeroNet
@dandylover1
ipns://seedit.eth plebbit.com hashchan.org are interesting.Meanwhile #Friendica & #Hubzilla have some groups too.
also shout out to @newsmast , they host few communities, check them out.
I've tried fedigroups.social & it's hard to use, unintutive & obscure. I see just a mastodon server there. It is not clear & obvsious from main home page how to list groups, posts inside groups, group members.
With such trend no wonder why people look back to #Usenet. However I think #XMPP is more usable (it does have groups and proto social network inside too)
{re-toot & boost my post if you find it helpful}
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The situation with #Guppe wouldn't happen if it was really decentralized aka #p2p fault tolerant tech. Like #Namecoin , .ens IPNS #IPFS, or #nostr #pubky #ZeroNet
@dandylover1
ipns://seedit.eth plebbit.com hashchan.org are interesting.Meanwhile #Friendica & #Hubzilla have some groups too.
also shout out to @newsmast , they host few communities, check them out.
I've tried fedigroups.social & it's hard to use, unintutive & obscure. I see just a mastodon server there. It is not clear & obvsious from main home page how to list groups, posts inside groups, group members.
With such trend no wonder why people look back to #Usenet. However I think #XMPP is more usable (it does have groups and proto social network inside too)
{re-toot & boost my post if you find it helpful}
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The situation with #Guppe wouldn't happen if it was really decentralized aka #p2p fault tolerant tech. Like #Namecoin , .ens IPNS #IPFS, or #nostr #pubky #ZeroNet
@dandylover1
ipns://seedit.eth plebbit.com hashchan.org are interesting.Meanwhile #Friendica & #Hubzilla have some groups too.
also shout out to @newsmast , they host few communities, check them out.
I've tried fedigroups.social & it's hard to use, unintutive & obscure. I see just a mastodon server there. It is not clear & obvsious from main home page how to list groups, posts inside groups, group members.
With such trend no wonder why people look back to #Usenet. However I think #XMPP is more usable (it does have groups and proto social network inside too)
{re-toot & boost my post if you find it helpful}
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The situation with #Guppe wouldn't happen if it was really decentralized aka #p2p fault tolerant tech. Like #Namecoin , .ens IPNS #IPFS, or #nostr #pubky #ZeroNet
@dandylover1
ipns://seedit.eth plebbit.com hashchan.org are interesting.Meanwhile #Friendica & #Hubzilla have some groups too.
also shout out to @newsmast , they host few communities, check them out.
I've tried fedigroups.social & it's hard to use, unintutive & obscure. I see just a mastodon server there. It is not clear & obvsious from main home page how to list groups, posts inside groups, group members.
With such trend no wonder why people look back to #Usenet. However I think #XMPP is more usable (it does have groups and proto social network inside too)
{re-toot & boost my post if you find it helpful}
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The situation with #Guppe wouldn't happen if it was really decentralized aka #p2p fault tolerant tech. Like #Namecoin , .ens IPNS #IPFS, or #nostr #pubky #ZeroNet
@dandylover1
ipns://seedit.eth plebbit.com hashchan.org are interesting.Meanwhile #Friendica & #Hubzilla have some groups too.
also shout out to @newsmast , they host few communities, check them out.
I've tried fedigroups.social & it's hard to use, unintutive & obscure. I see just a mastodon server there. It is not clear & obvsious from main home page how to list groups, posts inside groups, group members.
With such trend no wonder why people look back to #Usenet. However I think #XMPP is more usable (it does have groups and proto social network inside too)
{re-toot & boost my post if you find it helpful}
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Le domaine "gup.pe" a changé de propriétaire et distribue désormais du spam.
Vous devriez supprimer tous les groupes de gup.pe et utiliser d'autres services. Créer un compte sur #Friendica , avec sa capacité native à créer et utiliser des groupes/forums, serait peut-être une bonne idée ? Sur Friendica, vous pouvez créer un compte utilisateur et un compte de groupe/forum, puis passer de l'un à l'autre pour gérer le compte de #groupe.
docs.friendi.ca/develop/user/f…social.growyourown.services/@F…
#Spam #spamalert #Guppe #group #groups
RE: social.growyourown.services/us… -
Le domaine "gup.pe" a changé de propriétaire et distribue désormais du spam.
Vous devriez supprimer tous les groupes de gup.pe et utiliser d'autres services. Créer un compte sur #Friendica , avec sa capacité native à créer et utiliser des groupes/forums, serait peut-être une bonne idée ? Sur Friendica, vous pouvez créer un compte utilisateur et un compte de groupe/forum, puis passer de l'un à l'autre pour gérer le compte de #groupe.
docs.friendi.ca/develop/user/f…social.growyourown.services/@F…
#Spam #spamalert #Guppe #group #groups
RE: social.growyourown.services/us… -
Le domaine "gup.pe" a changé de propriétaire et distribue désormais du spam.
Vous devriez supprimer tous les groupes de gup.pe et utiliser d'autres services. Créer un compte sur #Friendica , avec sa capacité native à créer et utiliser des groupes/forums, serait peut-être une bonne idée ? Sur Friendica, vous pouvez créer un compte utilisateur et un compte de groupe/forum, puis passer de l'un à l'autre pour gérer le compte de #groupe.
docs.friendi.ca/develop/user/f…social.growyourown.services/@F…
#Spam #spamalert #Guppe #group #groups
RE: social.growyourown.services/us… -
Leider musste ich die Domains gup.pe (und a.gup.pe) sperren, weil der bisherige Betreiber sie verloren hat (Notiz an mich selbst: keine .pe-Domains benutzen).
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Leider musste ich die Domains gup.pe (und a.gup.pe) sperren, weil der bisherige Betreiber sie verloren hat (Notiz an mich selbst: keine .pe-Domains benutzen).
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Leider musste ich die Domains gup.pe (und a.gup.pe) sperren, weil der bisherige Betreiber sie verloren hat (Notiz an mich selbst: keine .pe-Domains benutzen).
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Leider musste ich die Domains gup.pe (und a.gup.pe) sperren, weil der bisherige Betreiber sie verloren hat (Notiz an mich selbst: keine .pe-Domains benutzen).
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Leider musste ich die Domains gup.pe (und a.gup.pe) sperren, weil der bisherige Betreiber sie verloren hat (Notiz an mich selbst: keine .pe-Domains benutzen).
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@PariaSansPortefeuille You are correct! It appears the website resolves with a fresh install of a WordPress blog. 😬
I'm guessing the service is currently dead (whether accidentally or not). 💀
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Ich schätze, mehr als 90% der heutigen Fediverse-Nutzer außerhalb von Lemmy kennen eigentlich nur Twitter (hat keine Gruppen) und Mastodon (hat auch keine Gruppen). Die allermeisten wiederum davon sind seit Ende Oktober 2022 vor Elon Musk von Twitter geflohen.
Wenn Mastodon ein Feature nicht hat, dann glauben sie, das ganze Fediverse hat dieses Feature nicht. Und etwa jeder zweite von ihnen ist heute noch der felsenfesten Überzeugung, daß das Fediverse überhaupt nur aus Mastodon besteht. Das heißt: Wenn Twitter damals ein Feature nicht hatte, ist für viele schon unvorstellbar, daß Mastodon es hat.
Dabei könnte es so einfach sein: Lemmy-Communities und Friendica-Gruppen nach dem durchsuchen, worüber man reden will. Oder zumindest nach einer passenden Guppe Group suchen, wo auch was los ist. Über (streams) und Forte könnte man theoretisch auch alle möglichen Arten von Gruppen querbeet suchen. Ich bin auf einer (streams)-Instanz mit etwa einem Dutzend Kanälen, und da ist schon irre, was die alles kennt und im Verzeichnis listet. Aber das ist wenig bekannt, und da gibt's kein zentrales Register, das muß über eine Serverinstanz gehen.
Dann den Gruppen beitreten, die einen interessieren. Sich damit vertraut machen, wie man von Mastodon aus in einer Lemmy-Community oder einer Friendica-Gruppe einen neuen Thread startet. Und schon hat man Gruppen auf Mastodon.
Statt dessen rufen über 99% aller Mastodon-Nutzer einfach nur "in den Äther", wenn sie z. B. etwas wissen wollen oder irgendwelche Hilfe brauchen oder so. Bestenfalls bauen sie noch zwei, drei Hashtags ein. Die, die immer noch "Twitter im Kopf" haben, tun nicht mal das und glauben statt dessen an Zauberei. Und dann wundern sie sich, daß keiner antwortet, weil die allermeisten Mastodon-Nutzer auch nicht wissen, daß man Hashtags folgen kann.
Und wenn man viel über ein bestimmtes Thema lesen will, tritt man auch keiner Gruppe bei. Einem oder mehreren Hashtags folgen tut man auch nicht. Zum einen, wie gesagt, weiß man nicht, daß das geht. Zum anderen: "Was ist denn das Hashtag für XYZ?" Will sagen, Abstraktions- und Vorstellungsvermögen haben viele auch nicht, geschweige denn, daß sie wissen, wie man testen kann, welche Hashtags es gibt.
Statt dessen folgt man tausend Nutzern, die ab und an mal über das Thema schreiben. Die müllen einem dann mit allem möglichen anderen Zeug und vor allem uninteressanten Boosts im Zweiminutentakt dermaßen die Timeline zu, daß man von dem interessanten Zeug nur einen Bruchteil liest, weil man keine Zeit/Lust hat, durch alle ungelesenen Posts zu scrollen. Daß Mastodon in den Timelines keine Threads darstellt, sondern nur Einzelbeiträge, macht alles noch schlimmer.
Selbst von denen, die schon mal von einem Fediverse über Mastodon hinaus gehört haben, weiß kaum einer, was die Nicht-Mastodon-Serveranwendungen können, also z. B., daß Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) und Forte föderierte Gruppen haben. Außerdem, das haben wir ja Anfang des Jahres zur Genüge gesehen, wissen sehr viele nicht, daß die verschiedenen Fediverse-Serveranwendungen nicht nur in sich dezentral sind, sondern auch miteinander verbunden.
Mein Gott, wie oft habe ich das mitbekommen, wie Mastodon-Nutzer vor Staunen wie die Autos geguckt haben, als sie gesehen haben, wie sich auf ihr Zutun hin ihr Mastodon-Konto mit einem Pixelfed- oder Friendica-Konto verband. Eine Sekunde vorher hatte das noch deren Vorstellungsvermögen überstiegen.
Aber wie ich vor ein paar Tagen schon schrieb: Wenn Mastodon irgendwann mal Gruppen einbaut, dann muß dieses Gruppenfeature einen sofort sichtbaren, auffallenden Button kriegen. Und zwar überall. Webinterface, iOS-App, Android-App, auch in allen unabhängigen Apps muß dieser Button da sein. Nicht in einem Menü versteckt, sondern ganz vorne, sofort direkt im Sichtfeld. Was in einem Menü oder auf einer anderen Seite versteckt ist, das findet keiner. Siehe Beiträge im Original ansehen oder Hashtags folgen oder auch nur Filter.
Idealerweise hätten das Webinterface und alle wichtigen Apps ein Pop-up, das aufspringt, wenn man nach dem Einbau der Gruppenfunktion das Interface das erste Mal öffnet, und einen über mehrere Seiten über Gruppen informiert und erklärt, was das ist und wie das geht. Am besten noch, daß das Gruppenfenster beim Schließen des Pop-up aufspringt und einem schön einen Haufen Gruppen auflistet, am besten noch für die ganz Doofen/Faulen/Bequemen nach den fünf Hashtags gefiltert, die man selbst am meisten nutzt.
Wenn es nicht überall für Gruppen einen dicken fetten Button gibt, der einem sofort nach dem Öffnen der App ins Gesicht springt, dann wird keine Sau auf Mastodon wissen, daß es Gruppen gibt. Und alle werden weiterhin "in den Äther rufen" und sauer sein, weil keiner antwortet.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Mastodon #Friendica #Lemmy #Mbin #Guppe #GuppeGroups #Fediverse #Gruppen #FediverseGruppen #FediGruppen -
I've created [email protected] (I think I have anyway), which is a test to see how Fediverse groups work.
If you'd like to join the group then mention [email protected]. It might take a while. It feels a little slow at the moment.
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attention #Misskey/forkey/#Iceshrimp.NET users
does a.gup.pe work for you? #Guppe #GuppeGroups
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And if there isn’t already, let’s get a sub- #guppe together for #MotorcycleRacing #MotoGP #WSBK #Motoamerica #IOMTT (and all the other regional #RoadRacing series), my #motorcycles and #motorcycle friends.
Let’s find each other at: @moto_road_racing
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I’ve been away while #guppe became a thing, and if one exists I haven’t been able to find it so here goes… #motorcycles and #motorcycle peeps, let’s find each other at: @motorcycles
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@ILoveNumAn welcome!
While Mastodon doesn't have native groups yet, there are some other Fediverse alternatives that do. The most notable example probably is #Friendica: https://fedi.tips/friendica-a-flexible-fediverse-server-type-with-long-posts/
While I do have a Friendica account myself, @[email protected], I don't find myself using it actively. In theory it's closer to what #GPlus is, in reality it just doesn't feel as polished, and I haven't been able to curate a home feed and 'circles' with it that keeps me active on the platform on a regular basis. The user interface and user experience of #Mastodon just feels a lot more thought through and polished.
The same applies to #Diaspora, the platform #GooglePlus probably took the whole idea of Circles from, where they are called "Aspects". There's also #Hubzilla, which has even more features, but which just felt slow and cobbled together. I would suggest you give them all a try though, as your experience and needs might differ from mine!Now, having said that Mastodon doesn't have native #groups yet, there is some third party support for them in the form of #Guppe (https://a.gup.pe/). Check out @FediTips for a good primer: https://fedi.tips/how-to-use-groups-on-the-fediverse/
Mastodon 'recently' did add a feature that reminded me of the early days of G+, which should help you discover people a bit easier than manually trawling hashtags, and that's the ability to follow a hashtag, so its posts will automatically appear in your home feed.
Finally, if you like the overall interface of Mastodon, but miss being able to format your posts by wrapping words in asterisks, underscores and the likes like G+ supported (though with less frustrations imho), or write posts longer than 500 characters (like this one), then I would suggest you also check out #GlitchSoc, a fork of Mastodon that adds a bunch of features which Mastodon for example itself has shown a resistance to to add. https://glitch-soc.github.io/docs/
Best advice I can give is to just try out several different alternatives and then settle on the one that best suits your needs. :)Anyway, I hope this wall of text has been of some help. 😅
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I can follow #GuppeGroups from #Misskey now, interesting :sagume_think:
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I'm looking to expand my :Fediverse: #Fediverse experience since I follow almost entirely Mastodon accounts.
In particular, I'm looking to follow interesting Fediverse users, forums and sites (especially about music, art, or anything nerdy!) on:
#FunkWhale,
#Pixelfed,
#Libervia,
#Lemmy, #Kbin, and #lotide forums,
#Guppe groups,
#OwnCast and #PeerTube servers and channels, and
#Plume, #Streams, #WriteFreely, #Zap, and #SocialHome blogs.Comment your suggestions and please #boost! :MOULE_Happy:
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I guess now we know the small reach of #Guppe groups is indeed a Guppe #bug or #WAI (working-as-intended).
I've noticed this since last year, after Guppe went down for almost a month(?); but I thought it was just me, or a temporary scaling issue with Guppe. But there's no denying it anymore, Guppe's reach is now very limited.
Read this: https://catodon.social/notes/9o5rig8kn30k3hdw
If similar software / platforms work fine (like #Friendica forums, #Chirp groups, #Kbin magazine, and #Lemmy communities) then the logical conclusion is this issue is on the side of Guppe groups.
Major communities still using Guppe groups should consider moving to Chirp, Friendica, Kbin, or Lemmy, if they want to reach #Fediverse network, until this is fixed.
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CW: Pondering the idea of native Mastodon groups; CW: long (over 2,300 characters), Fediverse meta, Mastodon vs non-Mastodon Fediverse meta
About time that Mastodon introduces groups. That'd be the only way to actually discuss stuff with Mastodon users.
Sure, Mastodon users can discuss in groups already, namely on Guppe, Firefish, Lemmy, /kbin, Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams)... But seriously, the vast majority of Mastodon users never looks beyond Mastodon. They don't know that discussion groups/forums exist outside of Mastodon, or if they do, they find them too cumbersome and inconvenient to join because they can't do that with one click or tap. And not few don't even know that there's a Fediverse beyond Mastodon.
On the other hand, if there were Mastodon groups, they'd probably be populated by 99.9% Mastodon users, so there wouldn't be any insight from non-Mastodon users. Especially the users of projects that have their own group/forum functionality would be absent because they wouldn't need Mastodon to join a group. So next to nobody would even have a vague idea what the Fediverse outside of Mastodon is like. If I wrote about what things are like on Hubzilla, for example, that'd be totally unimaginable for most users. And I'd constantly be fighting "Fediverse = Mastodon" windmills.
So it's actually about time that groups started becoming compatible to one another and federating across the Fediverse, along with Mastodon introducing that feature. Just imagine your Mastodon app listing Lemmy communities, /kbin magazines and Hubzilla forums next to Mastodon groups. But not even Lemmy and /kbin are really sufficiently compatible with one another yet. These two are too different from Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams). And Mastodon is probably going to re-invent the wheel and intentionally make its own groups incompatible with everything else out there.
P.S.: The reason why this post is so long is because I had a lot to say. And it didn't matter anymore. I had a nice draft with 499 characters. Then I realised I needed a whole bunch of extra hashtags for those who use them to filter out any Fediverse meta discussions. And as I had to go over 500 characters anyway, there was no reason to limit myself.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #Guppe #GuppeGroups #Firefish #Lemmy #kbin #/kbin #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Groups #Forums -
@maegul @Jeff Sikes @Kainoa @Chris Trottier This would have to happen on the server side. And this, in turn, would work the best if it happened directly on the instance servers, and if it was part of the #Fediverse projects themselves.
We've seen what happens when you rely on a third party. It tends to lean towards something centralised, either because someone deliberately only designs a centralised service for it, e.g. #Mastodon full-text search, or because nobody but the devs can be bothered to run an instance, e.g. #Guppe.
Also, decentralised third-party services will have to be connected to Fediverse instances by the admins manually because the admins will have to decide which instance to connect. Many admins won't take that step at all because they've stopped reading the manual the very moment their instance started working reasonably well, and so they don't even know that they have to connect to such a service.
That said, the Fediverse already speaks one common formatting language, and that's #RichText. #CalcKey translates the #Markdown in out-going messages to Rich Text. #Hubzilla translates the #BBcode in out-going messages to Rich Text. #Streams translates Markdown, BBcode and #HTML to Rich Text. And so forth.
Also, translation between message formats will remain half-useless as long as certain projects show a severe lack of capabilities of displaying messages, and this won't change anytime soon, if ever.
Like it or not, #Mastodon fans, but Mastodon is the worst offender. It can't have more than four images in one post, and it can't embed images within the text. All stuff that has been possible on projects older than Mastodon even before there was Mastodon.
On #Hubzilla (and not only there, but just to take one example), I can design any regular message like a blog post:Text block 1
Image 1
Text block 2
Image 2
Text block 3
Image 3
Text block 4
Image 4
Text block 5
Image 5
Text block 6
Image 6
Text block 7
Image 7
Text block 8
Image 8
Text block 9
This is perfectly normal. And this is perfectly legit. #Friendica, Hubzilla and #Streams were deliberately designed to make this possible. And while Hubzilla has an optional extra functionality for long-form articles, Friendica and (streams) only have this one way of long-form posting. So, again, this is normal and legit and intentional.
On Mastodon, however, the very same post looks like this:Text block 1
Text block 2
Text block 3
Text block 4
Text block 5
Text block 6
Text block 7
Text block 8
Text block 9
Image 8 | Image 7
Image 6 | Image 5
The images are ripped out of their context, reversed in their order, and only four even make it into what Mastodon displays.
The only thing a "translator" could possibly do here is put the images in the correct order. Still, only four would make it onto Mastodon timelines due to Mastodon's limitations, only that it'll be the first four instead of the last four. And also due to Mastodon's limitations, they will still end up after the end of the post instead of embedded between text blocks where they belong.
In the opposite direction, from Mastodon to Hubzilla, a "translator" could be a bit more useful. Currently, when a Mastodon toot with multiple images appears on Hubzilla, the images are put ahead of the text and in reverse order. What the "translator" could do (unless Hubzilla introduces that first) is embed the images at the end of the post in "reverse reverse" order. I'd suggest to also resize them (non-destructively; Hubzilla does that by default with its own images) so that four of them can be shown in a 2x2 arrangement just like on Mastodon, but on Hubzilla, that would cost them the alt-text. -
If ever #Guppe shuts down after May 31, 2023, know that we already have chirp.social groups for the following topics:
I. Topic / category
@[email protected]
@[email protected]
@[email protected]
@[email protected]
@[email protected]
@[email protected]
@[email protected]II. Music industry
@[email protected]
@[email protected]
@[email protected]
@[email protected]III. Asian dramas
@[email protected]
@[email protected]
@[email protected]
@[email protected]Just remove the hyphen.
It is highly advisable that we always tag at least two similar groups (located on different servers) to ensure continuity of discussions in case one goes down. (If one goes down, then someone needs to create another duplicate located in another server for the exact same reason… continuity and redundancy.)
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In an attempt to rebuild our communities/groups, here are additional ones I created (unless otherwise specified) over at #ChirpSocial.
Note: If the Guppe / Aguppe groups service goes back online, it is advisable to tag both groups to ensure the discussions continue if one service goes down again.
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(remove the hyphen when searching/tagging)
#Books / #Reading
* @[email protected]Thematic
* @[email protected] (manager: Anonymous) #StarTrek
* @[email protected] (manager: Anonymous) #Linux
* @[email protected] (manager: @[email protected]) = Philippine mobility, transportation, cycling.
* @[email protected] (manager: @[email protected]) = #Philippines #FilipinoSocial
* @[email protected] (manager: @[email protected]) = #Privacy
* @[email protected] = #Autistics #Autism #ActuallyAutistics + friends and allies.#Music in any genre and language as long as produced by a local
* @[email protected] = #Ppop #OPM
* @[email protected] = #Kpop
* @[email protected] = #Jpop #Japanese
* @[email protected] = #Cpop #MandoPop #CantoPop #Tpop #HokkienPop#TV shows, #drama, #films, #movies produced by a local, in any genre and language
* @[email protected] = Pilipino productions
* @[email protected] = Korean productions
* @[email protected] = Japanese productions
* @[email protected] = Chinese productions---
Note: If the #Guppe / #Aguppe groups service goes back online, it is advisable to tag both groups to ensure the discussions continue if one service goes down again.
#fediverse #feditips #TwitterMigration #SNS #Mastodon #SocialWeb
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We may also need to find another groups host, since Guppe service is still down, we only have ChirpSocial, we need to maintain at least two. -
To all #StarTrek #AllStarTrek #AllTrek fans, since the #aGupPe #GupPe group is down, I would like to share that there is another group over at #ChirpSocial.
It's @[email protected]. It has been around for a few months already.
I think this downtime brings an important point: we need to post to at least 2 groups hosted in two different servers, to keep the discussions going if one host goes down (temporarily or otherwise).
The Star Trek guppe groups that are currently inaccessible are:
* @allstartrek
* @[email protected]There is also a #scifi guppe group @scifi. I am however not aware of a scifi group elsewhere.
(It feels quiet without the group discussions…)
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Here's the #Books #group via #ChirpSocial. Follow and tag: @books together with #bookstodon via the #aGupPe group service.
The #GupPe service is currently not boosting/resharing posts for a few hours now. By having another #FediBooks group, if one service goes down, another is still working and discussions can continue.
If you want to create a group for another topic, simply visit: https://chirp.social
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CW: tl;dr: All that cool new stuff you want in the Fediverse already exists in the Fediverse, right outside of Mastodon
I keep seeing lots of people who are totally giddy about the #Fediverse, who are gushing over it, who want to promote it, who want it to spread.
And who want it to advance. To learn new abilities. To grow new features.
That's all fine and dandy.
But almost all of these people are still fully convinced that the Fediverse equals #Mastodon. And nothing else. At least not until Tumblr and P92 join the fray. Okay, maybe the #WordPress plug-in that's the talk of the town now that it has become official. Okay, maybe a few of them have also heard of #Pixelfed and/or #PeerTube because their makers are all over the Fediverse.
When these people are talking about the Fediverse, they mean Mastodon. And when they're thinking about the Fediverse, they're only thinking about Mastodon. Because that's all they know.
So these people want new cool features or even new cool use-cases in the Fediverse, stuff that Mastodon doesn't have. They want Mastodon to have it, or they want new projects to be launched that have these features.
If only they knew.
If only they knew that everything, literally everything they propose has already been done. Yes, in the Fediverse. In projects which are fully federated with Mastodon. Why don't they know? Because they've never heard of any of these projects, much less what they can do.
So they want "quote-tweets" in the Fediverse. Which means they want Mastodon to introduce them.
Tell you what: Mastodon is the only microblogging project in the Fediverse that doesn't have quotes. Not only will Eugen Rochko never introduce them, but all the other projects have them with Mastodon forks #GlitchSoc such as being the exception. #Pleroma has them. #Akkoma has them. #MissKey has them. #CalcKey has them. #FoundKey has them. #GoToSocial has them. The old heavyweights #Friendica and #Hubzilla have them, and so does Hubzilla's youngest decendant, the #Streams project. Et cetera.
You want "quote-tweets"? Switch to something that isn't Mastodon, and you've got "quote-tweets".
Or text formatting in posts like bold type, italics, underline, strikethrough,code blocksetc. Would be great if Mastodon had that, in spite of other people saying they don't want it.
Again: Pleroma already has it. Akkoma already has it. MissKey already has it. CalcKey already has it. FoundKey already hasit. GoToSocial already has it. Friendica already has it. Hubzilla already has it (look at this post at its source in a Web browser and weep). (streams) already has it. And so forth. This time, even Mastodon forks have it.
It has been done. It has been done many times. It has actually been done before Mastodon.
Next, long-form blog posting. We need something like #Medium in the Fediverse that isn't Medium itself. Mastodon's 500 characters are too few, and Twitter-like threads are inconvenient.
Except we already have that, too. #Plume and #WriteFreely are about as close to Medium as Mastodon is to Twitter, including clean and distraction-less layouts. Oh, and Hubzilla can do that, too.
By the way: Again, Mastodon is the only Fediverse project that can do microblogging that has a 500-character limit. Pleroma, Mastodon's oldest direct competitor, raised it to a default of 6,000. MissKey and its forks have 3,000 as a default. Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) have character limits of "go ahead, drop your short story in one post in its entirety," so virtually none at all. And yes, Hubzilla has long-form writing on top of that.
Speaking of Hubzilla: Most recently, there has been the idea to uncouple one's online identity from a specific instance. Your online self should no longer be firmly tied to any one server exclusively. Now, this sounds so ambitious, it might just as well be science-fiction.
What if I told you that just this very thing already exists as well?
No, really. No, I'm not making this up. But you should know by now that I'm not.
Better yet: It was conceived as early as 2011. By the guy who launched Friendica in 2010. He invented a new principle named #NomadicIdentity and a new protocol named #Zot. In its early stages already, even with no technical implementation yet, Zot was more powerful than ActivityPub is today.
In 2012, Zot became reality as the basis of a Friendica fork which later became known as #RedMatrix and, upon its 1.0 stable release in late 2015, which is still prior to Mastodon's initial release, Hubzilla. Hubzilla is still being developed and improved, and it has a fledgling but growing "successor of a successor" named (streams) which offers nomadic identity, too.
Now, what does this nomadic identity even look like? Well, not only does it let you move your channel(s) around from instance to instance with ease and, unlike on Mastodon, with absolutely everything on it. No, it also lets you have your channel on multiple instances at once. Identical clones, automagically kept in sync in real-time, all with the same identity, the same content, the same connections.
Your identity is no longer strapped down to one instance. Not only that, but your channel, your posts, your content is no longer hosted on only one server. This means that if one instance with one of your clones goes down, you still have spares.
Okay, so how about community groups/forums? That'd be cool.
Well, for one, there's #Guppe. It's basically bolted on Mastodon, and in practice, it's centralised because there's only one instance. But it's impractical to use.
Besides, this is becoming a running gag here, Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) have exactly this built-in and open for the rest of the Fediverse.
Better yet: There's also #Lemmy which amounts to a federated #Reddit or #HackerNews clone. So not only does Lemmy offer this, it specialises in it.
Hubzilla alone can provide Fediverse feature suggestions with "has been done" for years to come. Not to mention what else the Fediverse has to offer. Even if someone should want a free, non-commercial, decentralised, federated #GoodReads clone in the Fediverse, it has been done: #BookWyrm. -
@Ada @defcon42/Mirko @[email protected] To me, it sounds more like some #Mastodon users, especially those who came in through the #TwitterMigration, actually can't stand there being something else in the #Fediverse than their beloved Mastodon. When they caught their first glimpse of the Fediverse beyond Mastodon, they reacted much like the people of Krikkit when they caught their first glimpse of the universe beyond Krikkit: "It has to go!"
They make themselves and each other believe that Mastodon is superior to any other Fediverse project in just about any regard imaginable while apparently completely refusing to learn about those other projects. They're supported in their belief by mass media only ever writing about Mastodon and the number of Mastodon users.
However, mass media only write about Mastodon because they simply don't know a thing about the rest of the Fediverse, and they didn't know a thing about Mastodon until the #TwitterTakeover had actually happened, and the second wave of former #birbsite users had come flooding into Mastodon in such numbers that it was impossible to ignore even for those who act as if #FLOSS doesn't exist.
As for the numbers of Mastodon users, they're so high because I guess more than 90% of all Mastodon users still don't know that the Fediverse is not only Mastodon, because they have never heard of anything else in the Fediverse. Mastodon was pretty much the only Fediverse project advertised on #BirbSocial when this was still possible.
There are various reasons why Mastodon users don't spread across the Fediverse in masses. None of it is because Mastodon is superior to everything else because, truth be told, it isn't. I'll come to this later. One reason is, again, that the vast majority of them still don't know anything else. Another one is because it was hard enough to get used to Mastodon after years of using #Twitter, and they don't want to get used to yet another platform. And another one is that it's hard to move from Mastodon to something else and take your account or at least your connections with you.
Another reason may be because people don't need anything beyond microblogging, and that's what Mastodon does. Now, sorry for all those of you who fight tooth and claw to defend Mastodon against the competition, but #Akkoma does microblogging, too. With extra features beyond Mastodon, some of which Mastodon users have been pestering Eugen Rochko to include in Mastodon for ages (e.g. "quote retweet"). All while being more lightweight and requiring fewer server resources than Mastodon. Oh, and it federates with Mastodon.
Other Fediverse projects aren't even competition for Mastodon because they specialise in something else. @Pixelfed specialises in posting pictures, much like #Instagram. @PeerTube specialises in video upload and streaming, not too dissimilarly from #YouTube. #Plume and #WriteFreely specialise in distraction-free traditional blogging, much like #Medium. #Lemmy specialises in groups and posting and discussing news, much like #Reddit or #HackerNews. You can't claim that Mastodon is better at each of these things than these platforms.
And then there are the jacks-of-all-trades which are usually filed under either "macroblogging" or "like #Facebook ". They weren't launched to have something that goes beyond Mastodon because their history reaches far back before Mastodon. Mastodon was launched in 2016 (and not 2022 like many believe). #Friendica was launched in early 2010, even before the crowdfunding campaign for the development of #Diaspora started. And in that early stage, Friendica, then still named #Mistpark, was vastly more powerful than Diaspora* ever got and also vastly more powerful than Mastodon 13 years later.
#Hubzilla, created by the same man as Friendica, is the most extreme one of them all. For starters, it eliminates the need for multiple accounts by having multiple independent channels with separate identities on the same account. Each channel can have multiple profiles like on Friendica so you can present your channel differently to individual contacts or groups of them and differently again to the general public.
It can do micro- and macroblogging with 50,000 or more characters and just about everything that can be done with #BBcode (italics, bold type, underline, lists with bullet points or numbers, quotes,code blocks), and you can embed as many pictures as you want in your posts where you want them instead of them automatically being attached to the end of the post.
Group handling in Hubzilla is much easier than list handling in Mastodon. You never have to type the name of a contact to find them. You can edit contacts and add them to groups or remove them, and you can edit groups and add or remove contacts, all with a few mouse clicks. And while Mastodon shows a maximum of four lists on the main page, Hubzilla will give you easy access to all your groups.
On top of that, you can have- very fine-grained access rights control with pre-definable contact roles
- forums (just like Friendica, Hubzilla has #Guppe built in)
- more elegant macroblogging with articles which, in addition to BBcode, support #Markdown
- simple webpages (or not so simple if you're the admin of a hub, and you can expand it further)
- wikis (I'm not even kidding)
- a public calendar
- a virtually unlimited number of private calendars with #CalDAV connection
- a virtually unlimited number of address books with #CardDAV connection
- a file server with #WebDAV connection with its own access rights management which also ties in with the Photos and optional Gallery app (Mastodon drops your pictures somewhere, Hubzilla lets you upload them to your personal cloud space where you can access them whenever you want)
All with one run-of-the-mill Hubzilla account. And once per channel, separately.
And as if that wasn't enough, Hubzilla introduced the #Zot protocol and with it a concept named #NomadicIdentity.
Mastodon and Friendica let you have multiple accounts, even on separate instances. They also support migration from one account to another, and unlike Mastodon, Friendica lets you take all your content with you. Hubzilla (and #Streams, the successor of its slimmed-down successor, still created by the same guy) goes even further: Not only can you easily move from one hub to another, you can have channels on multiple hubs and automatically keep them fully in sync! If one hub goes down, it doesn't matter because you've got everything on all your other accounts.
Last but not least, both Friendica and Hubzilla federate with almost everything that moves, even far beyond the #ActivityPub Fediverse. This could be Diaspora*, this could be #GNUsocial, this could be #Wordpress blogs with or without the ActivityPub add-on, this could be RSS feeds (and they both generate feeds themselves, so this is bidirectional, too), this could even be Twitter until the API is shuttered. Friendica even used to federate with Facebook until Facebook put rocks in the way; this is the only connector that Hubzilla didn't take over.
The obvious downside is that for someone who just came in from the #birdcage, all this is utter overkill. In fact, people who are used to Mastodon may find Friendica borderline unusuable due to its many features. And Hubzilla is so infamous for its own clumsy UI capitulating before its sheer power that even Friendica users find it hard to use, fresh converts from Twitter to Mastodon even more so.
Some design decisions may be hard to understand for outsiders. Converts from other Fediverse projects to Hubzilla regularly fail at something as seemingly similar as connecting to users on other ActivityPub-based projects until you tell them that ActivityPub is an optional app on Hubzilla that has to be activated first because Hubzilla concentrates on Zot with its Nomadic Identity.
Also, just because these projects offer so much power, that doesn't mean that everyone needs it. If you do, it can be convenient to have it all under one login. But if all you're looking for is a bit of microblogging and online socialising, you don't need to drag a CMS and a full-blown cloud server with all bells and whistles along with you that just clutter up the UI. In that case, projects like Mastodon and Akkoma win because they're more approachable.
And while Friendica, Hubzilla & Co. can do threaded discussions and even have something like forums, Lemmy can do this more elegantly because it specialises in it. While you can use Hubzilla's private calendar feature for event planning, it's easier to do the same with #Mobilizon which, again, specialises in it. Or you can host podcasts on Friendica, Hubzilla & Co, but you can host them better on #Funkwhale and even better on #Castopod.
Wanting the Fediverse to be only Mastodon hinders development, namely the development of new projects within the Fediverse that may be able to do all-new things that we haven't seen in the Fediverse yet. Things that, sorry to say again, you'll never be able to do with Mastodon.
P.S.: For extra kicks, don't just read this on Mastodon. Open my original post; there you can see what Hubzilla is capable of, and what Mastodon strips away. - very fine-grained access rights control with pre-definable contact roles
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Now I know I do "Music to create his parents" to 💋🦍 https://soundcloud.com/herrkaschke/idk-but
#soundcloud #youtube #music #lofihouse #uplifting #feelbetter #guppe #art
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Other #Fediverse platforms should just go ahead and make @evan 's vision come true.
--- Quoting the article:
He puts the success of Mastodon down to its “very pragmatic and user-focused development team,” led by Eugen Rochko.
That said, Prodromou thinks that Mastodon isn’t using the full capabilities of the protocols he helped define.
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Currently, the main API for Mastodon is its custom API, which Prodromou thinks limits the creativity for developers wanting to build in the fediverse.
“Taking the fediverse to that next level and seeing the implementation of a standard client API would mean a lot to me,” he said, “because it would unlock a lot of that creativity in terms of the content that we see on the network.”
https://thenewstack.io/the-creator-of-activitypub-on-whats-next-for-the-fediverse/
-- end-of-quote
#ActivityPub #FederatedWeb #FederatedSNS #SocialWeb #SNS #lemmy
[#Mastodon #Pleroma #Rebased #Calckey #Misskey #Hometown #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #PixelFed #BookWyrm #PeerTube #Lemmy #Glitchsoc #Guppe #diaspora #Plume #WriteFreely #FunkWhale]
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The only catch with using #Aguppe / #Guppe is that replies are disconnected when the service boost it.
A solution is (I can't remember who suggested this first): to remove the a.gup.pe group from the tag list.
Half the time, the replies are still attached to the thread. Half the time, it's disconnected, and the context is lost.
I'm not sure why this is happening other than the possibility the original thread was not yet seen by the instance. But still, non a.gup.pe boosted replies aren't lost, it only happens with a.gup.pe 'groups'.
I see good replies, but without the context, I can't make heads and tails.
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Wer zukünftig Jobs im deutschsprachigen Raum sucht oder anbietet, kann jetzt neben der Verwendung von, bzw. Suche nach Hashtags wie #Jobsuche #Jobangebot #jobangebote #jobboerse auch diese Accounts mit anschreiben @jobsuche @jobangebot .
Wer einem dieser Guppe Accounts folgt, bekommt in seiner Timeline alle offenen Toots an diese Guppe/n und kann auch eine Notification setzten.
Was das #Guppe ist, welche Guppen es gibt und wie es funktioniert steht bei https://a.gup.pe/
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Wer zukünftig Jobs im deutschsprachigen Raum sucht oder anbietet, kann jetzt neben der Verwendung von, bzw. Suche nach Hashtags wie #Jobsuche #Jobangebot #jobangebote #jobboerse auch diese Accounts mit anschreiben @jobsuche @jobangebot .
Wer einem dieser Guppe Accounts folgt, bekommt in seiner Timeline alle offenen Toots an diese Guppe/n und kann auch eine Notification setzten.
Was das #Guppe ist, welche Guppen es gibt und wie es funktioniert steht bei https://a.gup.pe/
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@lightweight what do you reckon about running a #Guppe instance on the #NZOSS servers?