#autopoiesis — Public Fediverse posts

Can a machine have an inner life? SHOP-D is a testable digital architecture probing self-production, historical self-registration & closure. External-maintenance load, protocols and falsification tests. #AI #autopoiesis #xenorganic #HDD #HDO

https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.23125361

Dream of the Endless finally grants his son Orpheus the death he's asked for across centuries. He returns and weeps, for the first time in his long existence.

New piece for Materia: Nietzsche's fiction of the subject and the biology of self-producing cells sit beside the myth. Three rooms with no door between them, one structure.

Free to read, no membership needed:
https://medium.com/materia-philosophy-of-consciousness/sandman-the-sentence-that-rewrites-its-author-a7220082df00?sk=d11aa9b8fd368701ade477d2df3a2ddd

#Consciousness #Philosophy #Mythology #Sandman #Nietzsche #Autopoiesis #PhilosophyOfMind #Materia

Im heutigen letzten Newsletter vor der Sommerpause ging's um Geschichten, die in Organisationen ständig erzählt werden, denn keine Konferenz ist so spannend wie das Gespräch in der Kantine 😉

Und...
👉 ...welche Geschichten erzählt sich deine Organisation über sich?
👉 ...wie konstruiert sie darüber Wirklichkeit?

Organisationen erhalten sich (auch) durch ihre Geschichten selbst. Das ist eine Form der #Autopoiesis ...
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Mehr solcher Gedanken gibt's im Newsletter 👇

https://www.ideequadrat.org/newsletter/

#Weird #FunFact of the Week:

The #postgres VACUUM process has been meeting #Schrödinger's 1944 definition of life since 1996.

- self-maintained boundary ✓
- internal homeostasis ✓
- local entropy reduction ✓

We have been living among the #undead this whole time.

(Also building a compiler that does this on purpose.)

#PostgreSQL #databases #autopoiesis #compilers #philosophy

"""
So... the Little Wiggles need the help of a Little Munchy Guy to solve the problem of how have better boundaries. And this is why we don't all have to play the same way and if your friends want to play a way you don't want to, that's ok
"""
--- me explaining boundaries to my son, in the hope that he has better luck

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Also, the fitness function of the genetic algorithm based solver is the product of transmission probabilities across all constraints — which is e^{−Σκᵢdᵢ}, the total cost across all barriers. Same function applied to the high school exam scheduler I wrote in high school for math class. And a cell. And a star.

Boundaries, not just for when our friends don't want to play the way we want to

https://bubbled.from.loss.dev/interludes/origins/prokaryotic-split

#autopoiesis #boundaries

The little wiggle :: A self-perpetuating boundary that maintains itself by oscillating: queue builds, leak crosses, boundary reshapes, queue builds again. It wiggles. It's little. It's fun at parties I'm sure

#autopoiesis #smallestmachine #littleblobbies

In #autopoiesis, the self-forming of a barrier between the #system & the outside world is required. This model has been expanded into other areas outside of Life. Technically, this requirement is a #Universal: to exist, there must be a clear demarcation between the object & "not-the-object."

RE: https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:w2lvfvgooagydunsj2dpxtnj/post/3mhswaj6whk2p

What if a key feature of your mind—like your inability to visualize—wasn’t a random glitch, but a signature? Not a bug, but an autograph?
https://aneurothymiaspectrum.blogspot.com/2025/12/the-brains-autograph-aphantasia.html #Aphantasia #Amirroring #Visualization #CognitivePsychology #Autopoiesis

Why I Had to Call It “The Zero Point of Narcissism” To understand the “Zero Point,” you must first understand the edifice it confronts. Kohut’s framework is elegant and powerful. It explains so much about our lifelong hunger for validation, our crushing experiences of narcissistic injury, and our fragile self-esteem. #Amirroring #Aphantasia #DevelopmentalPsychology #Consciousness #Autopoiesis #ZeroPointOfNarcissism https://cristinagherghel.substack.com/p/why-i-had-to-call-it-the-zero-point

What if a foundational piece of developmental psychology is based on a blind spot?
For decades, the field has operated on a core, unchallenged axiom: that every human self is built through the mirror of another's gaze and emotion. But what happens when that mirror is absent from the very beginning—not broken, but never held up? #Amirroring #Aphantasia #DevelopmentalPsychology #Consciousness #Autopoiesis #ZeroPointOfNarcissism https://zenodo.org/records/17857386

🤖 The future of #AI – Evolutionary approaches for #intelligentSystems 🌱

What will the next generation of #artificialintelligence look like?

According to #WolfSinger, one of Germany's leading #neuroscientists, advances in AI will soon have to be guided by #evolution itself.

📺 https://youtu.be/C2FVIbAyaH4

📎 https://philosophies.de/index.php/2022/03/22/kann-das-gehirn-das-gehirn-verstehen/

#EvolutionarySystems #Autopoiesis #ArtificialIntelligence #Neuroscience #Zoomposium #FutureOfAI #EvolutionAndTechnology #IntelligentSystems

🤖 Die Zukunft der #KI – Evolutionäre Ansätze für #intelligenteSysteme 🌱

Wie sieht die nächste Generation von #KünstlicherIntelligenz aus?

Laut #WolfSinger, einem der führenden deutschen #Neurowissenschaftler, wird sich der Fortschritt der KI bald an der #Evolution selbst orientieren müssen.

📺 https://youtu.be/C2FVIbAyaH4

📎 https://philosophies.de/index.php/2022/03/22/kann-das-gehirn-das-gehirn-verstehen/

#EvolutionäreSysteme #Autopoiesis #ArtificialIntelligence #Neuroscience #Zoomposium #ZukunftDerKI #EvolutionUndTechnologie #IntelligenteSysteme

That's the macro, reductive view, which is not the whole story, ofc. We're "designed" to sexually reproduce by a code that evolved from an earlier design that was sexless. We also evolved to modify our behavior in order to optimize our population (reproduce) - itself an extension of #autopoiesis.

Why agency and cognition are fundamentally not computational
https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/psychology/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2024.1362658/full
#ycombinator #relevance_realization #Open_Ended_Evolution #Radical_emergence #Autopoiesis #anticipation #adaptation #natural_agency #Cognition

We made this little video to explain the difference between living and non-living things:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfA5bRzRvAQ

Text: @yoginho
Animation: Marcus Neustetter

#life #autopoiesis #embodiment #LargeWorld #evolution #NurturingNature

I will give a #talk today at 5:30 UTC+1
"Complexification of the global society: the end of #culturalevolution" at the Institute for Advanced Studies of Marseille.

Attend online at :
https://univ-amu-fr.zoom.us/j/82937580811?pwd=a0ptdXRNcFZKNGttME43bGJSSS9jUT09

#socialmedia #socialnetwork #autopoiesis #complexsystems #Webinar

#MyTags #autopoiesis #EducationForTheCommonGood #empathy #issues #MareNostrum #MetaIssue #our #politics #prioritizing #SchroedingerMigrant #sharing #TaxTheRich #we #WhatAreWeDoingHere

Reading @petergleick 's https://fediscience.org/@petergleick/111151660243926114 I put here an idea of #MetaIssue or #politics (?). #we (the difficult concept!), over many #issues, need to form ( #autopoiesis ) #our way of #prioritizing among #issues.

Same source:

Self-organizing systems are characterized by their intrinsic, nonlinear operators, (i.e., the properties of their constituent elements, macromolecules, spores of the slime mold, bees, etc.), which generate macroscopically (meta-) stable patterns maintained by the perpetual flux of their constituents. A special case of #self_organization is #autopoiesis. It is that organization which is its own Eigen-state: the outcome of the productive interactions of the components of the system are those very components. It is the organization of the #living, and, at the same time, the organization of #autonomy.

Die #Bedingung für die #Konstruktion des #Gelingen der #Anwendung von #Selbstwirksamkeit basiert auf einem #Netzwerk aus #soziostrukturell​em #Einfluss.

Das #Hervorbringen #wirksam​er #Handlung ist dabei nicht nur #Reimprägnierung des #Zustand​es von #Gesellschaft auf seine #vermeintlich​en #Träger #Mensch​en, sondern #gemeinsam​e #Autopoiesis, wodurch sich die #Frage nach der #Möglichkeit ihrer #aktiv​en #Verhinderung stellt.

#Operation; #Kontrolle

Albert #Bandura - #SelfEfficacy, #Preface

@ShadSterling
...to #AGI/ #LLM machines of the next generation and the #IoT into our #3D (#4D if you count time in) into the world.

There is a whole school of #German systems theoretics who applied the concept of #autopoiesis, discovered by the #Nobel #laureates, biologists, #neuroscientist and #pholosophers, Humberto R. #Maturana und Francisco J. #Varela, to the new field of #SociologicalSystemsTheory:
#NiklasLuhmann,...

@simon @annaleen @BBCWorld

@ShadSterling @simon @annaleen @BBCWorld

(8/n)

...matter for #AI?
Because #Autopoiesis answers the question of the necessary and sufficient prerequisites for *living* systems.

Prof. Albert #Scherr, in his article:

https://www.ph-freiburg.de/fileadmin/shares/Institute/Soziologie/Dateien/Scherr/Soziologische_Systemtheorie_und_Soziale_Arbeit.pdf

…writes the following (p.6), which, though the article is not intended for an application in #ArtificialIntelligence , IMO would explain why #LLM’s will reach a learning frontier that only embodiment, i.e. #robotics, will solve:
“On the one..."

@ShadSterling @simon @annaleen @BBCWorld
(7/n)

...If you check the prerequisites for #autopoietic systems (as developed by #Varela), we might reach the conclusion that #GAI is already quite close to #Autopoiesis.
(Note:
The late #NiklasLuhmann is 1 of the most difficult authors to read and his works are chiefly available in German; I haven't studied him in a long time, so I cannot apply his whole concept to #AI, of which I also do not enough of).
Why does #Autopoiesis + #SocialSystemsTheory..

I think Maturana may have “jumped the gun” here by succumbing to the cybernetic #control vs. #controlled type of thinking and using a gun (a mere passive #product or #structure) as a metaphor for an active, living #system.

In my mind, the notion of external control so pervasive in #cybernetics does not fit well with the notions of #autopoiesis and #constructivism.

Unlike a (living) system, the gun has no other #choice but to react to the trigger, except, as Maturana notes, in case of malfunction (which is not equivalent to choice).

#categorytheory for #autopoiesis?

@pj All of that are just "illustrations" of "living". #Living systems are alive. Fine! What do we need the term #autopoiesis for? Answer: We do not need it.

@nielspflaeging

Of course you can't do anything with it. It is #autopoiesis. It is doing things onto itself like #growing and #learning. 😉

Autopoiesis. A beautiful word.
And an utterly superfluous one.
You cannot do anything useful with it.
The word "living" is entirely sufficient. So forget about autopoiesis and work on living systems, making them "even more alive!"
#systemsthinking #systemstheory #systems #betacodex #autopoiesis

Control in #Cybernetics always has to come from the outside or is exerted, not internally onto the elements that make the system but onto something else outside of the “control” system.

Even such brilliant thinkers as #FJ_Varela, one of the “fathers” of #autopoiesis could not escape this profoundly ingrained “cybernetic” assumption:

“#Autonomy means, literally, self-law. To see what this entails, it is easier to contrast it with its mirror image, #allonomy or external law. This is, of course, what we call #control. These two images, autonomy and control, do a continuous dance.”

Francisco J. Varela - Principles Of Biological Autonomy

http://mechanism.ucsd.edu/teaching/f17/phil204A/readings/Varela%201979%20Principles%20of%20Biological%20Autonomy.part1.pdf

The natural history of systems which exhibit #autonomy as a characteristic phenomenology shows that they share one universal feature suggested by #autopoiesis: organizational closure, i.e. indefinite recursion of component interaction.

(ibid. p79)

Eine der ersten und wichtigsten Aufgaben von #Organisationsberatern besteht darin zu verhindern, dass sich #Organisationen informationell zu stark spezialisieren und sich zu stark in sich selbst verwickeln.
Sie tun dies, indem sie kommunizieren.
#Autopoiesis #Grenze

#Organisationen können fusionieren.
#Psychen nicht.
#Organisationen können rekurrente Entscheidungszusammenhänge ausbilden.
Sie schließen sich aber nicht.
#Gesellschaft kann #Kommunikation direkt in sie hineinreichen.
Umgekehrtes geht auch.

#Organisationskommunikation kann bspw. über Werbung, Kundenkommunikation, Lieferantenkommunikation, Anwälte, Finanzämter, Warenaustausch direkt an gesellschaftliche Kommunikation angeschlossen werden.
#Autopoiesis #Grenze

A compelling approach to #Intelligence back from the 80’s that does not rely upon #ProblemSolving or #GoalOrientedBehavior as do most of the contemporary doctrines of #AI and #AGI.

#HRMaturana #Autopoiesis #DynamicalSystems #Communication

[Backtracking & Migration]

28 déc. 2022

Toward biological in-formation and biosemantics?!

https://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/5.0103151?via=site

#Autopoiesis

Reading this recent (2022) article from Fritjof Capra:
The organization of the living:
Maturana’s key insights
included in the latest Constructivist Foundations volume 18(1): 005–011

https://constructivist.info/18/1/005

and I am continually bewildered by the fact that no one in the #Constructivist field figured out yet that #Autopoiesis, although necessary, is not the sufficient condition for #Life.

All #LivingSystems are in fact #DynamicalSystems with memory made of #Material, #Energy, and #Information structures participating continually in both auto- and allopoietic processes.

In fact, the recursive, #Autopoietic processes of learning and growth depend only on (are “structurally coupled” with) the linear #Allopoietic work processes dealing with all the things (resources, waste) in the system’s environment and producing the externally observable #behavior of the living (dynamical) system.

at the end #autopoiesis #governance #gametheory #incentives #agency #collective #cells #twitter #agi

https://yewtu.be/watch?v=kgMFnfB5E_A&t=5945

#transcript

https://youtubetranscript.com/?v=kgMFnfB5E_A&t=5945

#Gaia #Hypothese:
#Erde und #Biosphäre können wie #Lebewesen betrachtet werden. Die #Erdoberfläche bildet demnach ein #dynamisch​es #System, das die gesamte #Biosphäre #stabil​isiert.

#Selbstorganisation #Autopoiesis #Systemtheorie

Lynn #Margulis, James E. #Lovelock - #Atmospheric #homeostasis by and for the #biosphere: the #Gaia #hypothesis

http://www.jameslovelock.org/atmospheric-homeostasis-by-and-for-the-biosphere-the-gaia-hypothesis/

Mirror (PDF): https://radiotheorie.media/zettelkasten/gaia_hypothese.pdf