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@sl007
> WARUM versteht das denn niemand ???

Arbeitshypothese:
"Ein Teil dieser Antworten würde die Bevölkerung verunsichern" - die deutsche Politik & Medienlandschaft hat auch nach über 10 Jahren Hybridem Krieg keinen blassen Schimmer was passiert, wer agiert, welche Ziele die Angreifer haben und was wir dagegen tun können. Stattdessen suchen sie den Schlüssel unter der Laterne und machen Wehrpflicht- und Aufrüstungsdinge, weil hat ja im Kalten Krieg auch geholfen.
#HybridWar #CargoCult

@sl007
> WARUM versteht das denn niemand ???

Arbeitshypothese:
"Ein Teil dieser Antworten würde die Bevölkerung verunsichern" - die deutsche Politik & Medienlandschaft hat auch nach über 10 Jahren Hybridem Krieg keinen blassen Schimmer was passiert, wer agiert, welche Ziele die Angreifer haben und was wir dagegen tun können. Stattdessen suchen sie den Schlüssel unter der Laterne und machen Wehrpflicht- und Aufrüstungsdinge, weil hat ja im Kalten Krieg auch geholfen.
#HybridWar #CargoCult

@nobsagile @Reinald @thomas_michl
#Wasserfall ist an sich kein Problem.
Und gerade in diesen Tagen stünde ich gern unter einem.

Das eigentliche Problem:
- Methoden, die nicht zur #Aufgabe passen
- #Kommunikationsmuster, die nicht zur Aufgabe passen

Jedes Mal, wenn wir #CRUScH machen, erleben wir es in unterschiedlicher Intensität.

Bemerkenswert:
#CargoCult führt oft dazu, dass der Kunde (#Emil) die Lieferung nicht ablehnen kann.
Nur: gut findet er sie nicht wirklich.
https://communication.camp/crusch-die-crazy-user-story-challenge/

@nobsagile @Reinald @thomas_michl
#Wasserfall ist an sich kein Problem.
Und gerade in diesen Tagen stünde ich gern unter einem.

Das eigentliche Problem:
- Methoden, die nicht zur #Aufgabe passen
- #Kommunikationsmuster, die nicht zur Aufgabe passen

Jedes Mal, wenn wir #CRUScH machen, erleben wir es in unterschiedlicher Intensität.

Bemerkenswert:
#CargoCult führt oft dazu, dass der Kunde (#Emil) die Lieferung nicht ablehnen kann.
Nur: gut findet er sie nicht wirklich.
https://communication.camp/crusch-die-crazy-user-story-challenge/

@nobsagile @Reinald @thomas_michl
UND wozu führt das?
#bullshitagile

Das Kernelement jeder agilen Entwicklung, das Feedback in #Form von Realitätsabgleich wird nicht geliefert.

Zurück bleiben
#CargoCult
UND
#MikroWasserfall Releases im 2-Wochen-Turnus.

Seit 15 Jahren suche ich nach dem Stein, in den diese 2 Wochen gemeißelt sind.

@nobsagile @Reinald @thomas_michl
UND wozu führt das?
#bullshitagile

Das Kernelement jeder agilen Entwicklung, das Feedback in #Form von Realitätsabgleich wird nicht geliefert.

Zurück bleiben
#CargoCult
UND
#MikroWasserfall Releases im 2-Wochen-Turnus.

Seit 15 Jahren suche ich nach dem Stein, in den diese 2 Wochen gemeißelt sind.

@AwetTesfaiesus Ich habe einen Text geschrieben und diesen von #Pangram prüfen lassen. Ergebnis: “100% of this text is AI Generated”. Evidence (und zwar ausschließlich): Nutzung von Markdown, weil es dann gem. Pangram 12x wahrscheinlicher ist, dass der Text nicht von einem Menschen geschrieben wurde. Ich komme aus dem Lachen nicht mehr heraus. #KI erzählt uns, dass KI böse ist und alle springen auf diesen absurden #CargoCult-Zug auf.

@AwetTesfaiesus Ich habe einen Text geschrieben und diesen von #Pangram prüfen lassen. Ergebnis: “100% of this text is AI Generated”. Evidence (und zwar ausschließlich): Nutzung von Markdown, weil es dann gem. Pangram 12x wahrscheinlicher ist, dass der Text nicht von einem Menschen geschrieben wurde. Ich komme aus dem Lachen nicht mehr heraus. #KI erzählt uns, dass KI böse ist und alle springen auf diesen absurden #CargoCult-Zug auf.

@nobsagile

Everyone should now the story behind the "cargo cult":
As comic movie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNu0eLjwDcA

It has a real background: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult

#cargoCult

@nobsagile

Everyone should now the story behind the "cargo cult":
As comic movie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNu0eLjwDcA

It has a real background: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult

#cargoCult

@pikesley

😆

Even more ridiculously, all this sort of advice floating around is just cargo-culting. Not even the model makers understand exactly how a given prompt results in a particular output - it's opaque to them, too. It's "I did this, and that happened, and therefore this caused that, so you should always do this".

Next, they'll be telling you to use a green paint marker around the edge of your prompt to get better results.

#PostHoc #CargoCult #audiophool

@pikesley

😆

Even more ridiculously, all this sort of advice floating around is just cargo-culting. Not even the model makers understand exactly how a given prompt results in a particular output - it's opaque to them, too. It's "I did this, and that happened, and therefore this caused that, so you should always do this".

Next, they'll be telling you to use a green paint marker around the edge of your prompt to get better results.

#PostHoc #CargoCult #audiophool

@nixCraft What I fear is that this practice is so common that companies that where previously doing fairly well (like where I work) are now jumping on the band wagon due to fear of missing out.

#cargocult #slop #tech

@nixCraft What I fear is that this practice is so common that companies that where previously doing fairly well (like where I work) are now jumping on the band wagon due to fear of missing out.

#cargocult #slop #tech

*taps the sign*

#twitter #technology #cargocult #tapsSign

*taps the sign*

#twitter #technology #cargocult #tapsSign

Cultural Cargo Cults Ethics and Taoism

Cultural Cargo Cults Ethics and Taoism

The cargo cult on the island of Tanna in the New Hebridies says their messiah John Frum will return on February 15th, but the year remains unknown https://toilet-guru.com/overview-faith.html?s=mb #CargoCult #Apocalypse #prophecy

The cargo cult on the island of Tanna in the New Hebridies says their messiah John Frum will return on February 15th, but the year remains unknown https://toilet-guru.com/overview-faith.html?s=mb #CargoCult #Apocalypse #prophecy

@dmoonfire @fribbledom

This is why I basically call all modern #UIDesign a #CargoCult.

Tactile considerations were precisely what went into UI Design 40 years ago.

Now, it's all about surface-level aesthetics, and it has broken so many fundamental things, argh.

@dmoonfire @fribbledom

This is why I basically call all modern #UIDesign a #CargoCult.

Tactile considerations were precisely what went into UI Design 40 years ago.

Now, it's all about surface-level aesthetics, and it has broken so many fundamental things, argh.

@mms

#CargoCult, man. #Apple is just a multi-trillion-dollar cargo cult at this point. :(

All of the people who understood why things were done a certain way have either (sadly) died or (gladly) retired, or just moved on.

@mms

#CargoCult, man. #Apple is just a multi-trillion-dollar cargo cult at this point. :(

All of the people who understood why things were done a certain way have either (sadly) died or (gladly) retired, or just moved on.

The so-called #audiophile community is famous for the amount of #woo that passes for knowledge or expertise.

When you look at the DIY audio community - building things up from #electronic components or modules - you add in the cargo-cult processes used by people with no basic electronics knowledge building these things, and the false-but-confident beliefs of those with some knowledge but more assurance of their own intelligence 🙄 - and you get some real doozies in discussion threads [1] on audio/electronics fora.

I just came across one that will stick with me:

A: I saw some people are doing <X> to increase the bass from this little amp. Should I do it?

B (actually knowledgeable): Depends on the design. If it's lacking <Y>, it can help the subjective bass response of the amp.

C (overly confident): BS! OBJECTIVELY (!) you get more and better boom.
Boom-boom, you know? Your guts will tell you the objective truth.

... that is LITERALLY the definition of "subjective". 🤣

[1] A.K.A. arguments on the instalment plan.

#literally #argument #discussion #thread #forum #fora #electronics #audio #hobby #DIY #DunningKrueger #knowledge #experience #objective #subjective #CargoCult

The so-called #audiophile community is famous for the amount of #woo that passes for knowledge or expertise.

When you look at the DIY audio community - building things up from #electronic components or modules - you add in the cargo-cult processes used by people with no basic electronics knowledge building these things, and the false-but-confident beliefs of those with some knowledge but more assurance of their own intelligence 🙄 - and you get some real doozies in discussion threads [1] on audio/electronics fora.

I just came across one that will stick with me:

A: I saw some people are doing <X> to increase the bass from this little amp. Should I do it?

B (actually knowledgeable): Depends on the design. If it's lacking <Y>, it can help the subjective bass response of the amp.

C (overly confident): BS! OBJECTIVELY (!) you get more and better boom.
Boom-boom, you know? Your guts will tell you the objective truth.

... that is LITERALLY the definition of "subjective". 🤣

[1] A.K.A. arguments on the instalment plan.

#literally #argument #discussion #thread #forum #fora #electronics #audio #hobby #DIY #DunningKrueger #knowledge #experience #objective #subjective #CargoCult

Ein Klassiker des agilen Theaters, perfekt beobachtet von @deinol

Man sitzt in einer vierstündigen Scrum-Schulung. Das erste große Thema ist die entscheidende Rolle des Product Owners. Und wer fehlt natürlich in der Schulung?

Der Realitäts-Check von @deinol: https://dice.camp/@deinol/115543887900630732

4/4

#ProductOwner #Scrum #Training #CargoCult

Ein Klassiker des agilen Theaters, perfekt beobachtet von @deinol

Man sitzt in einer vierstündigen Scrum-Schulung. Das erste große Thema ist die entscheidende Rolle des Product Owners. Und wer fehlt natürlich in der Schulung?

Der Realitäts-Check von @deinol: https://dice.camp/@deinol/115543887900630732

4/4

#ProductOwner #Scrum #Training #CargoCult

Bedenkenswerter Text über #Realos und #Fundis in @tazgetroete #cargocult https://taz.de/Denkgebaeude-hinterfragen/!vn6122757/

Bedenkenswerter Text über #Realos und #Fundis in @tazgetroete #cargocult https://taz.de/Denkgebaeude-hinterfragen/!vn6122757/

Umgesetzt wird diese Haltung durch einen gnadenlos ehrlichen Kreislauf:

In kurzen Zyklen funktionierende Software liefern, echtes Feedback einholen und den Kurs permanent anpassen.

Methoden wie #Scrum oder #Kanban sind nur Werkzeuge dafür.

Ohne die Haltung verkommen sie zu leerem Ritual ('Cargo Cult').

3/5

#Feedback #Iteration #Kaizen #CargoCult

Umgesetzt wird diese Haltung durch einen gnadenlos ehrlichen Kreislauf:

In kurzen Zyklen funktionierende Software liefern, echtes Feedback einholen und den Kurs permanent anpassen.

Methoden wie #Scrum oder #Kanban sind nur Werkzeuge dafür.

Ohne die Haltung verkommen sie zu leerem Ritual ('Cargo Cult').

3/5

#Feedback #Iteration #Kaizen #CargoCult

#Australia to invest $12 billion in #nuclearsubmarine #shipyard.

#CargoCult behaviour! (built it & they will come)

Australia is investing Aus$12 billion (US$8 billion) over the next 10 years to transform a shipyard in #WesternAustralia into a nuclear submarine service facility. The project is part of a major military overhaul aimed at strengthening Australia’s defences amid a growing threat from China.

Pie in the sky #AUKUS #auspol

Birds in Istanbul develop rudimentary cargo cult:
https://deepnewz.com/turkey/seagull-istanbul-turkey-mimics-cat-meow-to-trigger-automatic-cat-food-vending-312c738f
#birds #mimicry #cats #CargoCult #AnimalReligion #wildlife #animals #psychology

I think we should treat much of American #Evangelical #Christianity as a #CargoCult, and call them out as such instead of assuming they are actually based on the teachings of #JesusChrist .

After all, they seem to believe that as long as they say the right magic words, they are going to be "saved". And then anything they say or do - no matter how vile - will be justified. After all, _they_ are saved, and _you_ are not.

Trappings over substance - that's pretty much the definition of a cargo cult, isn't it?

I think we should treat much of American #Evangelical #Christianity as a #CargoCult, and call them out as such instead of assuming they are actually based on the teachings of #JesusChrist .

After all, they seem to believe that as long as they say the right magic words, they are going to be "saved". And then anything they say or do - no matter how vile - will be justified. After all, _they_ are saved, and _you_ are not.

Trappings over substance - that's pretty much the definition of a cargo cult, isn't it?

“‘build some #transport #infrastructure, and then hope that it stimulates #economic #activity’ is literally #cargocult thinking – it’s what the Micronesian islanders did.” backofmind.substack.com/p/traffic-ja...

traffic jam today, but jam tom...

“‘build some #transport #infrastructure, and then hope that it stimulates #economic #activity’ is literally #cargocult thinking – it’s what the Micronesian islanders did.” backofmind.substack.com/p/traffic-ja...

traffic jam today, but jam tom...

@hadon @randahl

Further reading shows I've misused the term #CargoCult. See below.

Though the article has anthropologists identifying cargo cults only in Melanesia.
Whereas I've read anthropologists applying the term to social movements in Australia too.

https://www.righto.com/2025/01/its-time-to-abandon-cargo-cult-metaphor.html?m=1

@hadon @randahl

Further reading shows I've misused the term #CargoCult. See below.

Though the article has anthropologists identifying cargo cults only in Melanesia.
Whereas I've read anthropologists applying the term to social movements in Australia too.

https://www.righto.com/2025/01/its-time-to-abandon-cargo-cult-metaphor.html?m=1

@hadon @randahl

That'd make the #ProsperityGospel a #CargoCult.

I'm reading of more and more cargo cults which were sparked by the interaction of industrial goods-abundant cultures with pre-mass-market cultures.

It's bizarre that a socialist cult that had a strict and explicit moral code has been twisted into a ring wing consumption-justification program.

@hadon @randahl

That'd make the #ProsperityGospel a #CargoCult.

I'm reading of more and more cargo cults which were sparked by the interaction of industrial goods-abundant cultures with pre-mass-market cultures.

It's bizarre that a socialist cult that had a strict and explicit moral code has been twisted into a ring wing consumption-justification program.

Seid ihr agil oder tut ihr nur so? Mal ehrlich...

https://no-bullshit-agile.de/nba65-cargo-cult-agility-wenn-agil-nur-gespielt-wird.html

#CargoCult #Agile #Agil

Seid ihr agil oder tut ihr nur so? Mal ehrlich...

https://no-bullshit-agile.de/nba65-cargo-cult-agility-wenn-agil-nur-gespielt-wird.html

#CargoCult #Agile #Agil

This is either "AI" #slop or someone who really, really doesn't understand electricity and audio signals. It's talking about a standard 3.5mm headphone/mic jack on consumer audio devices, and says this when talking about straight vs. right-angle plugs:

> Straight connectors provide a direct connection between the audio source
> and the output device, minimizing signal loss and interference. This results
> in a cleaner and more accurate representation of the audio, allowing you to
> fully appreciate the nuances of the sound.
>
> In contrast, right-angle connectors can sometimes cause signal degradation
> due to the sharp angle at which the connector is bent. This can lead to audio
> distortion or loss, impacting the overall quality of the sound output.

If this gentleman has discovered a population of electrons that can tell when they've made a 90-degree turn inside a conductor, I think a #Nobel physics prize is in store for him.

#AI #electricity #audio #audiophool #witchcraft #voodoo #misinformation #magic #CargoCult #headphones #mic #connector #plug

This is either "AI" #slop or someone who really, really doesn't understand electricity and audio signals. It's talking about a standard 3.5mm headphone/mic jack on consumer audio devices, and says this when talking about straight vs. right-angle plugs:

> Straight connectors provide a direct connection between the audio source
> and the output device, minimizing signal loss and interference. This results
> in a cleaner and more accurate representation of the audio, allowing you to
> fully appreciate the nuances of the sound.
>
> In contrast, right-angle connectors can sometimes cause signal degradation
> due to the sharp angle at which the connector is bent. This can lead to audio
> distortion or loss, impacting the overall quality of the sound output.

If this gentleman has discovered a population of electrons that can tell when they've made a 90-degree turn inside a conductor, I think a #Nobel physics prize is in store for him.

#AI #electricity #audio #audiophool #witchcraft #voodoo #misinformation #magic #CargoCult #headphones #mic #connector #plug

@glyph
I hear you.

My favourite (perhaps less jarring?) example is when a court declares they have found someone guilty, and that their threshold of guilt is "on balance of odds".

I look at the lawyers and the witnesses and realise that none of them has studied actuarial or probability mathematics. I wouldn't even trust them to understand a bet on the horses. For a scientist to watch them is like observing a cargo cult. Worse, I am sure, is for a scientist to find themselves on the receiving end of such a court.

I would offer the meagre consolation that you can see the feedback loops that drive them to behave so, where they think themselves to have free will.

#cybernetics #actuarial #odds #maths #math #statistics #science #scientificInquiry #systemsArchitecture #justice #law #policing #cargoCult

@glyph
I hear you.

My favourite (perhaps less jarring?) example is when a court declares they have found someone guilty, and that their threshold of guilt is "on balance of odds".

I look at the lawyers and the witnesses and realise that none of them has studied actuarial or probability mathematics. I wouldn't even trust them to understand a bet on the horses. For a scientist to watch them is like observing a cargo cult. Worse, I am sure, is for a scientist to find themselves on the receiving end of such a court.

I would offer the meagre consolation that you can see the feedback loops that drive them to behave so, where they think themselves to have free will.

#cybernetics #actuarial #odds #maths #math #statistics #science #scientificInquiry #systemsArchitecture #justice #law #policing #cargoCult

@munin

In Feynman's terms, it's cargo-cult programming. I used to use that term for someone copying random code off of StackExchange/etc without understanding it, but I couldn't think of a stronger variant for the "AI" approach.

I've reviewed code that was generated like this. It's worse than code that doesn't work but which was actually written by someone *trying* to understand the problem, like a novice in way over their head.

Your description of the maintenance and debugging nightmare it creates for future you is right on the money.

#CargoCult #LLM #code #VibeCoding

@munin

In Feynman's terms, it's cargo-cult programming. I used to use that term for someone copying random code off of StackExchange/etc without understanding it, but I couldn't think of a stronger variant for the "AI" approach.

I've reviewed code that was generated like this. It's worse than code that doesn't work but which was actually written by someone *trying* to understand the problem, like a novice in way over their head.

Your description of the maintenance and debugging nightmare it creates for future you is right on the money.

#CargoCult #LLM #code #VibeCoding

The cargo cult on the island of Tanna in the New Hebridies says their messiah John Frum will return on February 15th, but the year remains unknown https://toilet-guru.com/overview-faith.html?s=mb #CargoCult #Apocalypse #prophecy

It is perhaps the most perfect circle that the science and tech world's use of the term #CargoCult is the result of passed-down generational ignorance and misunderstanding.

https://www.righto.com/2025/01/its-time-to-abandon-cargo-cult-metaphor.html