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The Thucydides trap – how the Greek historian’s meaning was lost in translation

🔗 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/may/19/the-thucydides-trap-how-the-greek-historians-meaning-was-lost-in-translation

#History #Histodons #War #Thucydides #Translation #Philosophy

Opinion | Trump Has Done More Than Misjudge Iran

“We live in a world,” Miller told Tapper, “that is governed by strength, that is governed by force,…
#NewsBeep #News #BreakingNews #Arendt #breakingnews #DonaldJ #hannah #Iran #Miller #Stephen(1985-) #Thucydides(460-395BC) #Trump #UnitedStates #UnitedStatesPoliticsandGovernment #XiJinping
https://www.newsbeep.com/546207/

https://www.europesays.com/iran/120574/ Opinion | Trump Has Done More Than Misjudge Iran #Arendt #DonaldJ #Hannah #Iran #miller #Stephen(1985) #Thucydides(460395BC) #trump #UnitedStates #UnitedStatesPoliticsAndGovernment #XiJinping

#Trump #China #Thucydides #Stupidity #alt

PAUL KRUGMAN Professor, Nobel Laureate, former columnist NY Times and according to Trump, a “deranged BUM”.
A Tale of Thucydides
China shouldn’t worry — Trump is too weak and unfocused to be a threat.

A Tale of #Thucydides

- by Nobel Prize economist, Paul Krugman

China shouldn’t worry: Trump is too weak and unfocused to be a threat.

https://paulkrugman.substack.com/p/a-tale-of-thucydides #Trump #TrumpIsNotFitToBePresident #politics #history

Given the sudden interest in classical Greek literature, I share a quote from #Thucydides :

“The strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.”

#history #literature #ancient

"Power that overreaches invites resistance. Power that ignores limits creates new ones. Power that assumes itself unconstrained eventually meets constraint in its harshest form: failure."

This is an article from The #CyprusMail and is about Thucydides' understanding of power. It could help explain how the world's most powerful nation is currently behaving.

https://cyprus-mail.com/2026/04/12/power-illusion-and-the-thucydides-warning

#Trump #US #Iran #Thucydides #war #Power

When maritime chokepoints like the Strait of Hormuz become conflict zones, global trade reshapes in real time. A Thucydidean analysis reveals how fear, honor, and interest are driving today's energy security crises. https://post.kapualabs.com/mwp7s2rs #EnergySecurity #Geopolitics #Maritime #Thucydides

The Law of War in Ancient Greece: Ideals and Their Failure in Practice

War was common in ancient Greece, but there were some customary laws to curtail the destruction. Credit: mharrsch.…
#Greece #GR #Europe #Europa #EU #AncientGreece #Athens #Evergreen #greece #Herodotus #PeloponnesianWar #sparta #Thucydides #Ελλάδα #νεα
https://www.europesays.com/2853491/

https://theconversation.com/mark-carney-invoked-thucydides-at-davos-what-people-get-wrong-about-this-ancient-greek-writers-take-on-power-274086 #thucydides #trump #carney #greenland

Wikipedia for the people of the moment:

1. Carney
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Carney

2. Thucydides
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thucydides

#davos #ancientgreece #wikipedia #carney #thucydides

Opinion | Europe risks a self-fulfilling prophecy of war with Russia https://www.byteseu.com/1679550/ #AmericaFirst #China #DonaldTrump #Estonia #Europe #Finland #invasion #Latvia #Lithuania #NATO #Norway #PeloponnesianWar #Poland #Russia #Sweden #Thucydides #ThucydidesTrap #Ukraine #VladimirPutin

https://www.europesays.com/uk/660412/ Opinion | Europe risks a self-fulfilling prophecy of war with Russia #AmericaFirst #China #DonaldTrump #Estonia #EU #Europe #European #Finland #invasion #Latvia #Lithuania #NATO #Norway #PeloponnesianWar #Poland #Russia #Sweden #Thucydides #ThucydidesTrap #Ukraine #VladimirPutin

Opinion | Europe risks a self-fulfilling prophecy of war with Russia

War drums not heard in half a century are beating across Europe. Nato Secretary General Mark Rutte has…
#Europe #EU #americafirst #China #DonaldTrump #estonia #finland #Invasion #latvia #lithuania #NATO #norway #PeloponnesianWar #poland #Russia #sweden #Thucydides #ThucydidesTrap #Ukraine #VladimirPutin
https://www.europesays.com/2663178/

How can we better understand the ancient Greek 'mind' 🏛️ ? Is it through translations? How can LLMs help 🤖 ? Felix Maier and I from the University of Zurich will present preliminary findings on that at #CHR2025 in beautiful #Luxembourg. Check it out here: https://doi.org/10.63744/XcjZ0MxpjIPj #digitalhistory #ancienthistory #digitalhumanities #ancientgreek #history #homer #thucydides

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Seeking to avoid posts from those who try to reframe "genocide is a hard line" as "letting themselves be swayed by religious sentiments"?
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This triptych is completed by a panel suggesting that #Thucydides' claims to be doing accurate history are better not treated as proof that he was doing accurate history.

#BloodSweatAndTears

Oh gods, I'm seeing #Thucydides being presented as attempting objective history.

Spose I should just get with the Zeitgeist, roll with Trump being POTUS, Hegseth being Secretary of War, 21st c. western civilization doing genocide, climate change not being blocked, and Thucydides being run up the flagpole as attempting not rhetoric or tragedy but objective history.

Welcome The Bright Morning.

1/?
Reading "The tragic reading of the Thucydidean tragedy" by #DavidBedford and #ThomWorkman.

Curious to see if/where the #MelianDialogue around might and right figures.

#Thucydides #HistoryOfThePeloponnesianWars

https://library.fes.de/libalt/journals/swetsfulltext/13213142.pdf

No appeal to justice will stop what’s coming, no appeal to the virtues of the world’s longest undefended border and the massive benefits free trade has delivered to both countries will make any difference. The majority of American voters may have cast a ballot for a sociopathic, zero-sum thug, but that is not how they think. They understand fairness.

But their new president? That talk is nothing more than the mewling of the weak.

#DanGardner #Thucydides #DonaldTrump
https://dgardner.substack.com/p/how-canada-should-respond-to-trump

No appeal to justice will stop what’s coming, no appeal to the virtues of the world’s longest undefended border and the massive benefits free trade has delivered to both countries will make any difference. The majority of American voters may have cast a ballot for a sociopathic, zero-sum thug, but that is not how they think. They understand fairness.

But their new president? That talk is nothing more than the mewling of the weak.

#DanGardner #Thucydides #DonaldTrump
https://dgardner.substack.com/p/how-canada-should-respond-to-trump

No appeal to justice will stop what’s coming, no appeal to the virtues of the world’s longest undefended border and the massive benefits free trade has delivered to both countries will make any difference. The majority of American voters may have cast a ballot for a sociopathic, zero-sum thug, but that is not how they think. They understand fairness.

But their new president? That talk is nothing more than the mewling of the weak.

#DanGardner #Thucydides #DonaldTrump
https://dgardner.substack.com/p/how-canada-should-respond-to-trump

No appeal to justice will stop what’s coming, no appeal to the virtues of the world’s longest undefended border and the massive benefits free trade has delivered to both countries will make any difference. The majority of American voters may have cast a ballot for a sociopathic, zero-sum thug, but that is not how they think. They understand fairness.

But their new president? That talk is nothing more than the mewling of the weak.

#DanGardner #Thucydides #DonaldTrump
https://dgardner.substack.com/p/how-canada-should-respond-to-trump

No appeal to justice will stop what’s coming, no appeal to the virtues of the world’s longest undefended border and the massive benefits free trade has delivered to both countries will make any difference. The majority of American voters may have cast a ballot for a sociopathic, zero-sum thug, but that is not how they think. They understand fairness.

But their new president? That talk is nothing more than the mewling of the weak.

#DanGardner #Thucydides #DonaldTrump
https://dgardner.substack.com/p/how-canada-should-respond-to-trump

the purpose of #history and #historians is, as #Thucydides put it, is to offer “an exact knowledge of the past as an aid to the understanding of the future, which in the course of human affairs must resemble if it does not reflect it”
https://acoup.blog/2024/10/25/new-acquisitions-1933-and-the-definition-of-fascism/

Thucydides

If many of these parallels seem self-evident, one recurring point of reference does not: Thucydides, the ancient Athenian general and author of History of the Peloponnesian War. Though hardly a household name, he has been a favorite of those intent on doom-scrolling the historical record for relevant exempla.

~ Mark Fisher, from What Thucydides really thought about historical analogies | Aeon Essays

slip:4uaeea27.

Before working on this blog post I couldn’t even type his name (I do have a quote about manliness) let alone pull from memory any of his writing. I’m not sure if that means I’ve escaped the trap described in this article.

It’s often said—including by me—that those who don’t study history are doomed to repeat it. But what does study really mean? My first reaction to find out about Thucydides was to consider reading something he wrote. But, now it seems clear that simply going and reading some history isn’t help me not repeat it.

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#History #MarkFisher #Thucydides

Red and #inflamed eyes, bad breath, #fever, violent #convulsions, boils and blisters over the entire body: these and other symptoms are mentioned by #historian #Thucydides in connection with the “Plague of Athens”, which lasted from 430 to 426 BCE.
#Anthropology #Archeology #History #sflorg
https://www.sflorg.com/2023/12/ant12122301.html

Red and #inflamed eyes, bad breath, #fever, violent #convulsions, boils and blisters over the entire body: these and other symptoms are mentioned by #historian #Thucydides in connection with the “Plague of Athens”, which lasted from 430 to 426 BCE.
#Anthropology #Archeology #History #sflorg
https://www.sflorg.com/2023/12/ant12122301.html

Red and #inflamed eyes, bad breath, #fever, violent #convulsions, boils and blisters over the entire body: these and other symptoms are mentioned by #historian #Thucydides in connection with the “Plague of Athens”, which lasted from 430 to 426 BCE.
#Anthropology #Archeology #History #sflorg
https://www.sflorg.com/2023/12/ant12122301.html

Red and #inflamed eyes, bad breath, #fever, violent #convulsions, boils and blisters over the entire body: these and other symptoms are mentioned by #historian #Thucydides in connection with the “Plague of Athens”, which lasted from 430 to 426 BCE.
#Anthropology #Archeology #History #sflorg
https://www.sflorg.com/2023/12/ant12122301.html

Red and #inflamed eyes, bad breath, #fever, violent #convulsions, boils and blisters over the entire body: these and other symptoms are mentioned by #historian #Thucydides in connection with the “Plague of Athens”, which lasted from 430 to 426 BCE.
#Anthropology #Archeology #History #sflorg
https://www.sflorg.com/2023/12/ant12122301.html

Fucking Athenians.

#CorneliusCastoriadis, The Imaginary Institution of Society, a quotation from #Thucydides I 70

Fucking Athenians.

#CorneliusCastoriadis, The Imaginary Institution of Society, a quotation from #Thucydides I 70

Fucking Athenians.

#CorneliusCastoriadis, The Imaginary Institution of Society, a quotation from #Thucydides I 70

Fucking Athenians.

#CorneliusCastoriadis, The Imaginary Institution of Society, a quotation from #Thucydides I 70

So who in @bookstodon world has read much in the way of #Greek classics? Any favourites, recommended translations, etc.? I've barely tried any but on a recommendation I recently bought the #Waterfield translation of #Herodotus and the #Lattimore version of #Thucydides. I'm slightly daunted but looking forward to getting stuck in! #bookstodon

So who in @bookstodon world has read much in the way of #Greek classics? Any favourites, recommended translations, etc.? I've barely tried any but on a recommendation I recently bought the #Waterfield translation of #Herodotus and the #Lattimore version of #Thucydides. I'm slightly daunted but looking forward to getting stuck in! #bookstodon

So who in @bookstodon world has read much in the way of #Greek classics? Any favourites, recommended translations, etc.? I've barely tried any but on a recommendation I recently bought the #Waterfield translation of #Herodotus and the #Lattimore version of #Thucydides. I'm slightly daunted but looking forward to getting stuck in! #bookstodon

So who in @bookstodon world has read much in the way of #Greek classics? Any favourites, recommended translations, etc.? I've barely tried any but on a recommendation I recently bought the #Waterfield translation of #Herodotus and the #Lattimore version of #Thucydides. I'm slightly daunted but looking forward to getting stuck in! #bookstodon

So who in @bookstodon world has read much in the way of #Greek classics? Any favourites, recommended translations, etc.? I've barely tried any but on a recommendation I recently bought the #Waterfield translation of #Herodotus and the #Lattimore version of #Thucydides. I'm slightly daunted but looking forward to getting stuck in! #bookstodon

Tell me I'm wrong.

#Wednesday #Herodotus #Thucydides

I know that freedom’s value in Roman #republicanism derives from the fact that #romansitesaturday defined #liberty in opposition to the state of being enslaved. But it’s never been so clear as when reading Pericles’s funeral speech in #Thucydides: “realise that happiness lies in liberty, and liberty in valor, and do not hold back from the dangers of war”, cause if the war is lost, you all become slaves in Sparta! Conversely, this is shaking somewhat my adherence to republicanism, or to the idea, that, as Dennett said, freedom is an offer we can’t refuse.

In part 2, #Thucydides provides a lens: 'Civilization is a very thin veneer': What the plague of Athens can teach us about dealing with COVID-19:

"The Greeks very much had this sense … that civilization is a very thin veneer and that under even slight amounts of pressure, that social contract starts to break down, and [when] people lose that veneer … that can be very dangerous."

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/ideas/civilization-is-a-very-thin-veneer-what-the-plague-of-athens-can-teach-us-about-today-s-pandemic-1.5624000

#Thucydides on journalism, war, plague, and society in an excellent two-part podcast from #CBC #Ideas.

Part 1: Thucydides, The First Journalist

About 2,500 years ago, Thucydides travelled ancient Greece, gathering stories about a brutal war that plunged the ancient world into chaos. He set high standards for accuracy, objectivity and thoroughness in his reporting.

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1754476099635

The flood, floods and mythic flood stories 1 Flooding and Water-waves

Two weeks ago we had a bible study in Newburry, Mons and Leefdaal, about The Great Flood and the floods in this world and time system.

Today we are going to look at more than just some floods or water rises which took place on this globe.

We are going to talk about more than ordinary high-water stages in which water overflowed its natural or artificial banks onto normally dry land, such as a river inundating its floodplain.

Flooding

Throughout the ages there have always been several floods or periods where water streamed over land or bringing an overflow to fields. In such instances the water submerging the agricultural planes brought wellbeing of man, though inundation did also bring disasters or catastrophes to mankind.

Flooding having become part of man’s life, since his exclusion from the Garden of Eden. It can well be the four streams of the Royal Garden sometimes also had their waters deluged part of lands, but never to bring harm over the living beings. After the fall of man danger of flooding entered the life of human beings. Man also came to know the good of flooding and as such also made use of it, having also controlled floodings.

Recharting rivers caused uncontrolled floodings which caused several people to suffer.

Storms or excessive rainfall over brief periods of time as, for example, the floods of Paris (1658 and 1910), of Warsaw (1861 and 1964), of Frankfurt am Main (1854 and 1930), and of Rome (1530 and 1557) caused considerable damage and where in most cases uncontrollable.
Potentially disastrous floods may, however, also result from ice jams during the spring rise, as in the case of the Danube (1342, 1402, 1501, and 1830) and of the Neva (in the Soviet Union, 1824); from storm tides such as those of 1099 and 1953 that flooded the coasts of England, Belgium, and The Netherlands; and from tsunamis or water waves, the mountainous sea waves caused by earthquakes, as in Lisbon, Portugal in 7000–6000 BCE, 60 BCE, 1531 CE and in 1755, the Storegga Slide  ≈6225–6170 BCE. For the Common Era the earliest recorded tsunami was during the Persian siege of the sea town Potidaea, Greece. The Greek historian Herodotus reports how the Persian attackers who tried to exploit an unusual retreat of the water were suddenly surprised by “a great flood-tide, higher, as the people of the place say, than any one of the many that had been before”. Herodotus attributes the cause of the sudden flood to the wrath of Poseidon. The Greek historian Thucydides (3.89.1–6) also describes how a tsunami and a series of earthquakes affected the raging Peloponnesian War (431–404 BCE) and, for the first time in the history of natural science, associated quakes with waves in terms of cause and effect.   Hawaii (Hilo, 1946),

the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake, killing 230,000–280,000 people in 14 countries, and inundating coastal communities with waves up to 30 metres (100 ft) high being one of the deadliest natural disasters in recorded history. Indonesia was the hardest-hit country, followed by Sri Lanka, India, and Thailand. The 2009 Samoa earthquake and tsunami, bringing damage to American Samoa, Samoa and Tonga (Niuatoputapu) where more than 189 people were killed, especially children, most of them in Samoa. The 2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami with the most powerful earthquake ever recorded to have hit Japan, and the fourth most powerful earthquake in the world since modern record-keeping began in 1900. Japan really had already a big portion of tsunamis, being hit in 684 CE (Hakuhō Nankai earthquake), 869 (Jogan Sanriku earthquake), 887 (Ninna Nankai earthquake), 1293 (Kamakura earthquake), 1361 (Shōhei Nankai earthquake), 1498 (Nankai earthquake), 1605 (Nankai earthquake), 1707 (Hōei earthquake), 1741 western side of Oshima Peninsula, Ezo (Hokkaido) hit by a tsunami associated with the eruption of the volcano on Oshima Ōshima island, 1771 (Great Yaeyama Tsunami), 1792 (Unzen earthquake and tsunami), 1854 Ansei great earthquakes with 80,000–100,000 deaths, 1855 Edo (Tokyo) region Ansei Edo earthquake, 1896 Sanriku earthquake also hit in 2005, 1923 Great Kantō earthquake, 1933 Sanriku earthquake, 1944 Tōnankai earthquake, 1946 Nankai earthquake, 1964 Niigata earthquake, 1983 Sea of Japan earthquake, 2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami.

Floods can be measured for height, peak discharge, area inundated, and volume of flow. These factors are important to judicious land use, construction of bridges and dams, and prediction and control of floods.

The floods of an individual stream are often highly variable from month to month and year to year. A particularly striking example of this variability is the flash flood, a sudden, unexpected torrent of muddy and turbulent water rushing down a canyon or gulch. It is uncommon, of relatively brief duration, and generally the result of summer thunderstorms in mountains. A flash flood can take place in a single tributary while the rest of the drainage basin remains dry. The suddenness of its occurrence causes a flash flood to be extremely dangerous.

A flood of such magnitude that it might be expected to occur only once in 100 years is called a 100-year flood. The magnitudes of 100-, 500-, and 1,000-year floods are calculat­ed by extrapolating existing records of stream flow, and the results are used in the design engineering of many water resources projects, including dams and reservoirs, and other struc­tures that may be affected by catastrophic floods.

A landslide of 120,000,000 tonnes of rock, much of which displaced water from Lake Lauerz causing a tsunami that flooded lake side villages and resulted in the confirmed death of 457 people at the 1806 Goldau landslide.

The powerful typhoon Emma (1956), one of several typhoons to cause significant damage to Okinawa during the mid-1950s, brought 140 mph (230 km/h) winds and 22 inches (560 mm) of rain to Okinawa (then US territory of the Ryukyu Islands) and South Korea.

Snake Gorge, also called Wadi Bimah, a gorge or wadi in the Ad Dakhiliyah Region of Oma, presented also its water rising bringing people in danger (1996, 2006, 2014).

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Preceding:

Profitable disasters

Facing disaster fatigue

To be continued with: The flood, floods and mythic flood stories 2 Mythic theme 1 God or gods warning

++

Additional reading

1. Certainty in a troubled world
2. Reacting to Disasters
3. Weekly World Watch 24th – 30th Oct 2010‏
4. Syrian capital facing total destruction in the coming months
5. Newsweek asks: How ignorant are you?
6. We are ourselves responsible

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The flood, floods and mythic flood stories 1 Flooding and Water-waves

Two weeks ago we had a bible study in Newburry, Mons and Leefdaal, about The Great Flood and the floods in this world and time system.

Today we are going to look at more than just some floods or water rises which took place on this globe.

We are going to talk about more than ordinary high-water stages in which water overflowed its natural or artificial banks onto normally dry land, such as a river inundating its floodplain.

Flooding

Throughout the ages there have always been several floods or periods where water streamed over land or bringing an overflow to fields. In such instances the water submerging the agricultural planes brought wellbeing of man, though inundation did also bring disasters or catastrophes to mankind.

Flooding having become part of man’s life, since his exclusion from the Garden of Eden. It can well be the four streams of the Royal Garden sometimes also had their waters deluged part of lands, but never to bring harm over the living beings. After the fall of man danger of flooding entered the life of human beings. Man also came to know the good of flooding and as such also made use of it, having also controlled floodings.

Recharting rivers caused uncontrolled floodings which caused several people to suffer.

Storms or excessive rainfall over brief periods of time as, for example, the floods of Paris (1658 and 1910), of Warsaw (1861 and 1964), of Frankfurt am Main (1854 and 1930), and of Rome (1530 and 1557) caused considerable damage and where in most cases uncontrollable.
Potentially disastrous floods may, however, also result from ice jams during the spring rise, as in the case of the Danube (1342, 1402, 1501, and 1830) and of the Neva (in the Soviet Union, 1824); from storm tides such as those of 1099 and 1953 that flooded the coasts of England, Belgium, and The Netherlands; and from tsunamis or water waves, the mountainous sea waves caused by earthquakes, as in Lisbon, Portugal in 7000–6000 BCE, 60 BCE, 1531 CE and in 1755, the Storegga Slide  ≈6225–6170 BCE. For the Common Era the earliest recorded tsunami was during the Persian siege of the sea town Potidaea, Greece. The Greek historian Herodotus reports how the Persian attackers who tried to exploit an unusual retreat of the water were suddenly surprised by “a great flood-tide, higher, as the people of the place say, than any one of the many that had been before”. Herodotus attributes the cause of the sudden flood to the wrath of Poseidon. The Greek historian Thucydides (3.89.1–6) also describes how a tsunami and a series of earthquakes affected the raging Peloponnesian War (431–404 BCE) and, for the first time in the history of natural science, associated quakes with waves in terms of cause and effect.   Hawaii (Hilo, 1946),

the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake, killing 230,000–280,000 people in 14 countries, and inundating coastal communities with waves up to 30 metres (100 ft) high being one of the deadliest natural disasters in recorded history. Indonesia was the hardest-hit country, followed by Sri Lanka, India, and Thailand. The 2009 Samoa earthquake and tsunami, bringing damage to American Samoa, Samoa and Tonga (Niuatoputapu) where more than 189 people were killed, especially children, most of them in Samoa. The 2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami with the most powerful earthquake ever recorded to have hit Japan, and the fourth most powerful earthquake in the world since modern record-keeping began in 1900. Japan really had already a big portion of tsunamis, being hit in 684 CE (Hakuhō Nankai earthquake), 869 (Jogan Sanriku earthquake), 887 (Ninna Nankai earthquake), 1293 (Kamakura earthquake), 1361 (Shōhei Nankai earthquake), 1498 (Nankai earthquake), 1605 (Nankai earthquake), 1707 (Hōei earthquake), 1741 western side of Oshima Peninsula, Ezo (Hokkaido) hit by a tsunami associated with the eruption of the volcano on Oshima Ōshima island, 1771 (Great Yaeyama Tsunami), 1792 (Unzen earthquake and tsunami), 1854 Ansei great earthquakes with 80,000–100,000 deaths, 1855 Edo (Tokyo) region Ansei Edo earthquake, 1896 Sanriku earthquake also hit in 2005, 1923 Great Kantō earthquake, 1933 Sanriku earthquake, 1944 Tōnankai earthquake, 1946 Nankai earthquake, 1964 Niigata earthquake, 1983 Sea of Japan earthquake, 2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami.

Floods can be measured for height, peak discharge, area inundated, and volume of flow. These factors are important to judicious land use, construction of bridges and dams, and prediction and control of floods.

The floods of an individual stream are often highly variable from month to month and year to year. A particularly striking example of this variability is the flash flood, a sudden, unexpected torrent of muddy and turbulent water rushing down a canyon or gulch. It is uncommon, of relatively brief duration, and generally the result of summer thunderstorms in mountains. A flash flood can take place in a single tributary while the rest of the drainage basin remains dry. The suddenness of its occurrence causes a flash flood to be extremely dangerous.

A flood of such magnitude that it might be expected to occur only once in 100 years is called a 100-year flood. The magnitudes of 100-, 500-, and 1,000-year floods are calculat­ed by extrapolating existing records of stream flow, and the results are used in the design engineering of many water resources projects, including dams and reservoirs, and other struc­tures that may be affected by catastrophic floods.

A landslide of 120,000,000 tonnes of rock, much of which displaced water from Lake Lauerz causing a tsunami that flooded lake side villages and resulted in the confirmed death of 457 people at the 1806 Goldau landslide.

The powerful typhoon Emma (1956), one of several typhoons to cause significant damage to Okinawa during the mid-1950s, brought 140 mph (230 km/h) winds and 22 inches (560 mm) of rain to Okinawa (then US territory of the Ryukyu Islands) and South Korea.

Snake Gorge, also called Wadi Bimah, a gorge or wadi in the Ad Dakhiliyah Region of Oma, presented also its water rising bringing people in danger (1996, 2006, 2014).

+

Preceding:

Profitable disasters

Facing disaster fatigue

To be continued with: The flood, floods and mythic flood stories 2 Mythic theme 1 God or gods warning

++

Additional reading

1. Certainty in a troubled world
2. Reacting to Disasters
3. Weekly World Watch 24th – 30th Oct 2010‏
4. Syrian capital facing total destruction in the coming months
5. Newsweek asks: How ignorant are you?
6. We are ourselves responsible

+++

Related articles

• ‘Sangam-era site at Keezhadi is as complex as Indus Valley, proof of a glorious Tamil civilisation’

Rate this:

#AdDakhiliyahRegionOfOma #AncientGreece #Belgium #Catastrophes #Earthquake #England #FlashFlood #Flooding #Floodplain #FloodsOrWaterRises #France #GardenOfEden #Germany #GoldauLandslide #Greece #Herodotus #IceJamsOrIceDams #India #IndianOceanEarthquake #Inundation #Italy #Japan #Landslide #Nankai #Netherlands #Okinawa #PeloponnesianWar #PersianEmpire #Portugal #Poseidon #Rainfall #RechartingRivers #RoyalGarden #RyukyuIslands #Samoa #SouthKorea #SovietUnion #SriLanka #Storms #Thailand #Thucydides #TongaNiuatoputapu_ #Tsunami #TyphoonEmma1956_ #Water

The flood, floods and mythic flood stories 1 Flooding and Water-waves

Two weeks ago we had a bible study in Newburry, Mons and Leefdaal, about The Great Flood and the floods in this world and time system.

Today we are going to look at more than just some floods or water rises which took place on this globe.

We are going to talk about more than ordinary high-water stages in which water overflowed its natural or artificial banks onto normally dry land, such as a river inundating its floodplain.

Flooding

Throughout the ages there have always been several floods or periods where water streamed over land or bringing an overflow to fields. In such instances the water submerging the agricultural planes brought wellbeing of man, though inundation did also bring disasters or catastrophes to mankind.

Flooding having become part of man’s life, since his exclusion from the Garden of Eden. It can well be the four streams of the Royal Garden sometimes also had their waters deluged part of lands, but never to bring harm over the living beings. After the fall of man danger of flooding entered the life of human beings. Man also came to know the good of flooding and as such also made use of it, having also controlled floodings.

Recharting rivers caused uncontrolled floodings which caused several people to suffer.

Storms or excessive rainfall over brief periods of time as, for example, the floods of Paris (1658 and 1910), of Warsaw (1861 and 1964), of Frankfurt am Main (1854 and 1930), and of Rome (1530 and 1557) caused considerable damage and where in most cases uncontrollable.
Potentially disastrous floods may, however, also result from ice jams during the spring rise, as in the case of the Danube (1342, 1402, 1501, and 1830) and of the Neva (in the Soviet Union, 1824); from storm tides such as those of 1099 and 1953 that flooded the coasts of England, Belgium, and The Netherlands; and from tsunamis or water waves, the mountainous sea waves caused by earthquakes, as in Lisbon, Portugal in 7000–6000 BCE, 60 BCE, 1531 CE and in 1755, the Storegga Slide  ≈6225–6170 BCE. For the Common Era the earliest recorded tsunami was during the Persian siege of the sea town Potidaea, Greece. The Greek historian Herodotus reports how the Persian attackers who tried to exploit an unusual retreat of the water were suddenly surprised by “a great flood-tide, higher, as the people of the place say, than any one of the many that had been before”. Herodotus attributes the cause of the sudden flood to the wrath of Poseidon. The Greek historian Thucydides (3.89.1–6) also describes how a tsunami and a series of earthquakes affected the raging Peloponnesian War (431–404 BCE) and, for the first time in the history of natural science, associated quakes with waves in terms of cause and effect.   Hawaii (Hilo, 1946),

the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake, killing 230,000–280,000 people in 14 countries, and inundating coastal communities with waves up to 30 metres (100 ft) high being one of the deadliest natural disasters in recorded history. Indonesia was the hardest-hit country, followed by Sri Lanka, India, and Thailand. The 2009 Samoa earthquake and tsunami, bringing damage to American Samoa, Samoa and Tonga (Niuatoputapu) where more than 189 people were killed, especially children, most of them in Samoa. The 2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami with the most powerful earthquake ever recorded to have hit Japan, and the fourth most powerful earthquake in the world since modern record-keeping began in 1900. Japan really had already a big portion of tsunamis, being hit in 684 CE (Hakuhō Nankai earthquake), 869 (Jogan Sanriku earthquake), 887 (Ninna Nankai earthquake), 1293 (Kamakura earthquake), 1361 (Shōhei Nankai earthquake), 1498 (Nankai earthquake), 1605 (Nankai earthquake), 1707 (Hōei earthquake), 1741 western side of Oshima Peninsula, Ezo (Hokkaido) hit by a tsunami associated with the eruption of the volcano on Oshima Ōshima island, 1771 (Great Yaeyama Tsunami), 1792 (Unzen earthquake and tsunami), 1854 Ansei great earthquakes with 80,000–100,000 deaths, 1855 Edo (Tokyo) region Ansei Edo earthquake, 1896 Sanriku earthquake also hit in 2005, 1923 Great Kantō earthquake, 1933 Sanriku earthquake, 1944 Tōnankai earthquake, 1946 Nankai earthquake, 1964 Niigata earthquake, 1983 Sea of Japan earthquake, 2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami.

Floods can be measured for height, peak discharge, area inundated, and volume of flow. These factors are important to judicious land use, construction of bridges and dams, and prediction and control of floods.

The floods of an individual stream are often highly variable from month to month and year to year. A particularly striking example of this variability is the flash flood, a sudden, unexpected torrent of muddy and turbulent water rushing down a canyon or gulch. It is uncommon, of relatively brief duration, and generally the result of summer thunderstorms in mountains. A flash flood can take place in a single tributary while the rest of the drainage basin remains dry. The suddenness of its occurrence causes a flash flood to be extremely dangerous.

A flood of such magnitude that it might be expected to occur only once in 100 years is called a 100-year flood. The magnitudes of 100-, 500-, and 1,000-year floods are calculat­ed by extrapolating existing records of stream flow, and the results are used in the design engineering of many water resources projects, including dams and reservoirs, and other struc­tures that may be affected by catastrophic floods.

A landslide of 120,000,000 tonnes of rock, much of which displaced water from Lake Lauerz causing a tsunami that flooded lake side villages and resulted in the confirmed death of 457 people at the 1806 Goldau landslide.

The powerful typhoon Emma (1956), one of several typhoons to cause significant damage to Okinawa during the mid-1950s, brought 140 mph (230 km/h) winds and 22 inches (560 mm) of rain to Okinawa (then US territory of the Ryukyu Islands) and South Korea.

Snake Gorge, also called Wadi Bimah, a gorge or wadi in the Ad Dakhiliyah Region of Oma, presented also its water rising bringing people in danger (1996, 2006, 2014).

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Preceding:

Profitable disasters

Facing disaster fatigue

To be continued with: The flood, floods and mythic flood stories 2 Mythic theme 1 God or gods warning

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Additional reading

1. Certainty in a troubled world
2. Reacting to Disasters
3. Weekly World Watch 24th – 30th Oct 2010‏
4. Syrian capital facing total destruction in the coming months
5. Newsweek asks: How ignorant are you?
6. We are ourselves responsible

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The flood, floods and mythic flood stories 1 Flooding and Water-waves

Two weeks ago we had a bible study in Newburry, Mons and Leefdaal, about The Great Flood and the floods in this world and time system.

Today we are going to look at more than just some floods or water rises which took place on this globe.

We are going to talk about more than ordinary high-water stages in which water overflowed its natural or artificial banks onto normally dry land, such as a river inundating its floodplain.

Flooding

Throughout the ages there have always been several floods or periods where water streamed over land or bringing an overflow to fields. In such instances the water submerging the agricultural planes brought wellbeing of man, though inundation did also bring disasters or catastrophes to mankind.

Flooding having become part of man’s life, since his exclusion from the Garden of Eden. It can well be the four streams of the Royal Garden sometimes also had their waters deluged part of lands, but never to bring harm over the living beings. After the fall of man danger of flooding entered the life of human beings. Man also came to know the good of flooding and as such also made use of it, having also controlled floodings.

Recharting rivers caused uncontrolled floodings which caused several people to suffer.

Storms or excessive rainfall over brief periods of time as, for example, the floods of Paris (1658 and 1910), of Warsaw (1861 and 1964), of Frankfurt am Main (1854 and 1930), and of Rome (1530 and 1557) caused considerable damage and where in most cases uncontrollable.
Potentially disastrous floods may, however, also result from ice jams during the spring rise, as in the case of the Danube (1342, 1402, 1501, and 1830) and of the Neva (in the Soviet Union, 1824); from storm tides such as those of 1099 and 1953 that flooded the coasts of England, Belgium, and The Netherlands; and from tsunamis or water waves, the mountainous sea waves caused by earthquakes, as in Lisbon, Portugal in 7000–6000 BCE, 60 BCE, 1531 CE and in 1755, the Storegga Slide  ≈6225–6170 BCE. For the Common Era the earliest recorded tsunami was during the Persian siege of the sea town Potidaea, Greece. The Greek historian Herodotus reports how the Persian attackers who tried to exploit an unusual retreat of the water were suddenly surprised by “a great flood-tide, higher, as the people of the place say, than any one of the many that had been before”. Herodotus attributes the cause of the sudden flood to the wrath of Poseidon. The Greek historian Thucydides (3.89.1–6) also describes how a tsunami and a series of earthquakes affected the raging Peloponnesian War (431–404 BCE) and, for the first time in the history of natural science, associated quakes with waves in terms of cause and effect.   Hawaii (Hilo, 1946),

the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake, killing 230,000–280,000 people in 14 countries, and inundating coastal communities with waves up to 30 metres (100 ft) high being one of the deadliest natural disasters in recorded history. Indonesia was the hardest-hit country, followed by Sri Lanka, India, and Thailand. The 2009 Samoa earthquake and tsunami, bringing damage to American Samoa, Samoa and Tonga (Niuatoputapu) where more than 189 people were killed, especially children, most of them in Samoa. The 2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami with the most powerful earthquake ever recorded to have hit Japan, and the fourth most powerful earthquake in the world since modern record-keeping began in 1900. Japan really had already a big portion of tsunamis, being hit in 684 CE (Hakuhō Nankai earthquake), 869 (Jogan Sanriku earthquake), 887 (Ninna Nankai earthquake), 1293 (Kamakura earthquake), 1361 (Shōhei Nankai earthquake), 1498 (Nankai earthquake), 1605 (Nankai earthquake), 1707 (Hōei earthquake), 1741 western side of Oshima Peninsula, Ezo (Hokkaido) hit by a tsunami associated with the eruption of the volcano on Oshima Ōshima island, 1771 (Great Yaeyama Tsunami), 1792 (Unzen earthquake and tsunami), 1854 Ansei great earthquakes with 80,000–100,000 deaths, 1855 Edo (Tokyo) region Ansei Edo earthquake, 1896 Sanriku earthquake also hit in 2005, 1923 Great Kantō earthquake, 1933 Sanriku earthquake, 1944 Tōnankai earthquake, 1946 Nankai earthquake, 1964 Niigata earthquake, 1983 Sea of Japan earthquake, 2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami.

Floods can be measured for height, peak discharge, area inundated, and volume of flow. These factors are important to judicious land use, construction of bridges and dams, and prediction and control of floods.

The floods of an individual stream are often highly variable from month to month and year to year. A particularly striking example of this variability is the flash flood, a sudden, unexpected torrent of muddy and turbulent water rushing down a canyon or gulch. It is uncommon, of relatively brief duration, and generally the result of summer thunderstorms in mountains. A flash flood can take place in a single tributary while the rest of the drainage basin remains dry. The suddenness of its occurrence causes a flash flood to be extremely dangerous.

A flood of such magnitude that it might be expected to occur only once in 100 years is called a 100-year flood. The magnitudes of 100-, 500-, and 1,000-year floods are calculat­ed by extrapolating existing records of stream flow, and the results are used in the design engineering of many water resources projects, including dams and reservoirs, and other struc­tures that may be affected by catastrophic floods.

A landslide of 120,000,000 tonnes of rock, much of which displaced water from Lake Lauerz causing a tsunami that flooded lake side villages and resulted in the confirmed death of 457 people at the 1806 Goldau landslide.

The powerful typhoon Emma (1956), one of several typhoons to cause significant damage to Okinawa during the mid-1950s, brought 140 mph (230 km/h) winds and 22 inches (560 mm) of rain to Okinawa (then US territory of the Ryukyu Islands) and South Korea.

Snake Gorge, also called Wadi Bimah, a gorge or wadi in the Ad Dakhiliyah Region of Oma, presented also its water rising bringing people in danger (1996, 2006, 2014).

+

Preceding:

Profitable disasters

Facing disaster fatigue

To be continued with: The flood, floods and mythic flood stories 2 Mythic theme 1 God or gods warning

++

Additional reading

1. Certainty in a troubled world
2. Reacting to Disasters
3. Weekly World Watch 24th – 30th Oct 2010‏
4. Syrian capital facing total destruction in the coming months
5. Newsweek asks: How ignorant are you?
6. We are ourselves responsible

+++

Related articles

• ‘Sangam-era site at Keezhadi is as complex as Indus Valley, proof of a glorious Tamil civilisation’

Rate this:

#AdDakhiliyahRegionOfOma #AncientGreece #Belgium #Catastrophes #Earthquake #England #FlashFlood #Flooding #Floodplain #FloodsOrWaterRises #France #GardenOfEden #Germany #GoldauLandslide #Greece #Herodotus #IceJamsOrIceDams #India #IndianOceanEarthquake #Inundation #Italy #Japan #Landslide #Nankai #Netherlands #Okinawa #PeloponnesianWar #PersianEmpire #Portugal #Poseidon #Rainfall #RechartingRivers #RoyalGarden #RyukyuIslands #Samoa #SouthKorea #SovietUnion #SriLanka #Storms #Thailand #Thucydides #TongaNiuatoputapu_ #Tsunami #TyphoonEmma1956_ #Water