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  1. Enduring landscapes of the Mediterranean. ๐ŸŒŠ๐Ÿ’ฎ๐Ÿƒ๐ŸŒŠ

    3,500 years ago in the Minoan frescoes of Akrotiri on the Aegean island of Santorini (Thera), flowering plants were painted in vivid detail before being buried by volcanic ash.

    Scholars have debated the identity of some of these plants.

    โ€‹#Arte #Art #History #SeaDaffodil #Lily #flora #Akrotiri #PancratiumMaritimum #GreekFlora #Botany #Archaeology #ArtHistory #AncientGreece #NaturePhotography #Mediterranean #papyrus #Aegean #Ionian

  2. Our interview with GreekMythComix about โ€œYou Are Odysseusโ€ is out now wherever you enjoy excellent podcasts.

    We get into all the nitty-gritty Homeric topics, including the role of aidos and kudos when thinking about kleos (glory).

    #AncientGreece #Podcast #Odysseus #TheOdyssey

    partialhistorians.com/2026/09/

  3. Our interview with GreekMythComix about โ€œYou Are Odysseusโ€ is out now wherever you enjoy excellent podcasts.

    We get into all the nitty-gritty Homeric topics, including the role of aidos and kudos when thinking about kleos (glory).

    #AncientGreece #Podcast #Odysseus #TheOdyssey

    partialhistorians.com/2026/09/

  4. Our interview with GreekMythComix about โ€œYou Are Odysseusโ€ is out now wherever you enjoy excellent podcasts.

    We get into all the nitty-gritty Homeric topics, including the role of aidos and kudos when thinking about kleos (glory).

    #AncientGreece #Podcast #Odysseus #TheOdyssey

    partialhistorians.com/2026/09/

  5. Our interview with GreekMythComix about โ€œYou Are Odysseusโ€ is out now wherever you enjoy excellent podcasts.

    We get into all the nitty-gritty Homeric topics, including the role of aidos and kudos when thinking about kleos (glory).

    #AncientGreece #Podcast #Odysseus #TheOdyssey

    partialhistorians.com/2026/09/

  6. Our interview with GreekMythComix about โ€œYou Are Odysseusโ€ is out now wherever you enjoy excellent podcasts.

    We get into all the nitty-gritty Homeric topics, including the role of aidos and kudos when thinking about kleos (glory).

    #AncientGreece #Podcast #Odysseus #TheOdyssey

    partialhistorians.com/2026/09/

  7. ๐™’๐™–๐™ฎ๐™ฌ๐™ค๐™ง๐™™๐™จ ๐™๐™š๐™–๐™™๐™ž๐™ฃ๐™œ ๐™‡๐™š๐™™๐™œ๐™š๐™ง: "๐™๐™๐™š๐™ค๐™œ๐™ค๐™ฃ๐™ฎ" ๐™–๐™ฃ๐™™ "๐™’๐™ค๐™ง๐™ ๐™จ ๐™–๐™ฃ๐™™ ๐˜ฟ๐™–๐™ฎ๐™จ" ๐™—๐™ฎ ๐™ƒ๐™š๐™จ๐™ž๐™ค๐™™ -

    ๐—ง๐—ต๐—ฟ๐—ฒ๐—ฒ-๐—ช๐—ผ๐—ฟ๐—ฑ ๐—ฅ๐—ฒ๐˜ƒ๐—ถ๐—ฒ๐˜„:

    Foundational
    Ethics-Driven
    Intricate

    ๐—™๐—ฟ๐—ถ๐—ฐ๐˜๐—ถ๐—ผ๐—ป๐—ฎ๐—น ๐—ฃ๐—ผ๐˜€๐˜๐˜‚๐—ฟ๐—ฒ:

    In what ways are the works of Classical Greece advancements or dilutions of Hesiod's narrative?

    #bookreview #literature #books #book #reading #frictionalreading #hesiod #theogony #worksanddays #ancientliterature #ancientgreece #mythology #morality #philosophy

  8. ๐™’๐™–๐™ฎ๐™ฌ๐™ค๐™ง๐™™๐™จ ๐™๐™š๐™–๐™™๐™ž๐™ฃ๐™œ ๐™‡๐™š๐™™๐™œ๐™š๐™ง: "๐™๐™๐™š๐™ค๐™œ๐™ค๐™ฃ๐™ฎ" ๐™–๐™ฃ๐™™ "๐™’๐™ค๐™ง๐™ ๐™จ ๐™–๐™ฃ๐™™ ๐˜ฟ๐™–๐™ฎ๐™จ" ๐™—๐™ฎ ๐™ƒ๐™š๐™จ๐™ž๐™ค๐™™ -

    ๐—ง๐—ต๐—ฟ๐—ฒ๐—ฒ-๐—ช๐—ผ๐—ฟ๐—ฑ ๐—ฅ๐—ฒ๐˜ƒ๐—ถ๐—ฒ๐˜„:

    Foundational
    Ethics-Driven
    Intricate

    ๐—™๐—ฟ๐—ถ๐—ฐ๐˜๐—ถ๐—ผ๐—ป๐—ฎ๐—น ๐—ฃ๐—ผ๐˜€๐˜๐˜‚๐—ฟ๐—ฒ:

    In what ways are the works of Classical Greece advancements or dilutions of Hesiod's narrative?

    #bookreview #literature #books #book #reading #frictionalreading #hesiod #theogony #worksanddays #ancientliterature #ancientgreece #mythology #morality #philosophy

  9. ๐™’๐™–๐™ฎ๐™ฌ๐™ค๐™ง๐™™๐™จ ๐™๐™š๐™–๐™™๐™ž๐™ฃ๐™œ ๐™‡๐™š๐™™๐™œ๐™š๐™ง: "๐™๐™๐™š๐™ค๐™œ๐™ค๐™ฃ๐™ฎ" ๐™–๐™ฃ๐™™ "๐™’๐™ค๐™ง๐™ ๐™จ ๐™–๐™ฃ๐™™ ๐˜ฟ๐™–๐™ฎ๐™จ" ๐™—๐™ฎ ๐™ƒ๐™š๐™จ๐™ž๐™ค๐™™ -

    ๐—ง๐—ต๐—ฟ๐—ฒ๐—ฒ-๐—ช๐—ผ๐—ฟ๐—ฑ ๐—ฅ๐—ฒ๐˜ƒ๐—ถ๐—ฒ๐˜„:

    Foundational
    Ethics-Driven
    Intricate

    ๐—™๐—ฟ๐—ถ๐—ฐ๐˜๐—ถ๐—ผ๐—ป๐—ฎ๐—น ๐—ฃ๐—ผ๐˜€๐˜๐˜‚๐—ฟ๐—ฒ:

    In what ways are the works of Classical Greece advancements or dilutions of Hesiod's narrative?

    #bookreview #literature #books #book #reading #frictionalreading #hesiod #theogony #worksanddays #ancientliterature #ancientgreece #mythology #morality #philosophy

  10. ๐™’๐™–๐™ฎ๐™ฌ๐™ค๐™ง๐™™๐™จ ๐™๐™š๐™–๐™™๐™ž๐™ฃ๐™œ ๐™‡๐™š๐™™๐™œ๐™š๐™ง: "๐™๐™๐™š๐™ค๐™œ๐™ค๐™ฃ๐™ฎ" ๐™–๐™ฃ๐™™ "๐™’๐™ค๐™ง๐™ ๐™จ ๐™–๐™ฃ๐™™ ๐˜ฟ๐™–๐™ฎ๐™จ" ๐™—๐™ฎ ๐™ƒ๐™š๐™จ๐™ž๐™ค๐™™ -

    ๐—ง๐—ต๐—ฟ๐—ฒ๐—ฒ-๐—ช๐—ผ๐—ฟ๐—ฑ ๐—ฅ๐—ฒ๐˜ƒ๐—ถ๐—ฒ๐˜„:

    Foundational
    Ethics-Driven
    Intricate

    ๐—™๐—ฟ๐—ถ๐—ฐ๐˜๐—ถ๐—ผ๐—ป๐—ฎ๐—น ๐—ฃ๐—ผ๐˜€๐˜๐˜‚๐—ฟ๐—ฒ:

    In what ways are the works of Classical Greece advancements or dilutions of Hesiod's narrative?

    #bookreview #literature #books #book #reading #frictionalreading #hesiod #theogony #worksanddays #ancientliterature #ancientgreece #mythology #morality #philosophy

  11. ๐™’๐™–๐™ฎ๐™ฌ๐™ค๐™ง๐™™๐™จ ๐™๐™š๐™–๐™™๐™ž๐™ฃ๐™œ ๐™‡๐™š๐™™๐™œ๐™š๐™ง: "๐™๐™๐™š๐™ค๐™œ๐™ค๐™ฃ๐™ฎ" ๐™–๐™ฃ๐™™ "๐™’๐™ค๐™ง๐™ ๐™จ ๐™–๐™ฃ๐™™ ๐˜ฟ๐™–๐™ฎ๐™จ" ๐™—๐™ฎ ๐™ƒ๐™š๐™จ๐™ž๐™ค๐™™ -

    ๐—ง๐—ต๐—ฟ๐—ฒ๐—ฒ-๐—ช๐—ผ๐—ฟ๐—ฑ ๐—ฅ๐—ฒ๐˜ƒ๐—ถ๐—ฒ๐˜„:

    Foundational
    Ethics-Driven
    Intricate

    ๐—™๐—ฟ๐—ถ๐—ฐ๐˜๐—ถ๐—ผ๐—ป๐—ฎ๐—น ๐—ฃ๐—ผ๐˜€๐˜๐˜‚๐—ฟ๐—ฒ:

    In what ways are the works of Classical Greece advancements or dilutions of Hesiod's narrative?

    #bookreview #literature #books #book #reading #frictionalreading #hesiod #theogony #worksanddays #ancientliterature #ancientgreece #mythology #morality #philosophy

  12. The Reality of Dreams

    Throughout Human history, dreams have fascinated, inspired and disturbed us. Where do they come from? Why do they happen? What do they mean? Different civilisations have tried to answer these questions. The Ancient Mesopotamians thought of dreams as divine messages. The most well known Mesopotamian story is the Epic of Gilgamesh, where Gilgamesh receives dreams about the future. They also had dream temples, where people would go in order to sleep and receive these divine messages in their [โ€ฆ]

    johnbronze.wordpress.com/2026/

  13. Human Legacy And The Preservation Of Knowledge

    The preservation of digital information is a problem that humans have tried to combat ever since the internetโ€™s inception. Thereโ€™s the Internet Archive, IPFS (Inter Planetary File System), and other various attempts to figure out how to preserve what we do, but the very concept of preservation is itself a difficult task. How do we humans ensure that our knowledge, or at least our ways of thinking about the world, is passed on to future generations, and can that knowledge last in [โ€ฆ]

    johnbronze.wordpress.com/2026/

  14. Professional Politics Is Intrinsically Corrupt, Go For Direct Democracy Instead


    Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely, and this is exactly why there are professional politicians: so that they, and individuals gravitating around them,  can get absolutely corrupt (I have seen the process at the closest distance; little difference with Neroโ€™s court). 

    What we are submitted to is not true democracy, but OLIGARCHIC REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY (ORD): power (kratia) of the people (demos) from the rule (archeon) of the few (oligos).

    In a real democracy -that is, in a direct democracy- there are no professional politicians (because when there are, they are more powerful than We The People). In a real democracy, politics belongs to We The People: We The People rule, not just a few individuals.

    There are ways to ensure this, including by distributing offices by drawing lots (โ€œSORTITIONโ€). If anybody can suddenly become the most important decision maker, for, say, a year, and subject to prosecution after leaving office, it will be impossible for an elite of power to become encrusted into a volume of corrupt barnacles so thick that the ship of state completely disappears in itโ€ฆ It will also motivate even janitors and farmers to know what is going on.

    It is known how to do without professional politicians, because several Greek states and the Roman Republic, long succeeded to do so when they were as democratic as possible.

    It is a bit intricate, as many types of assemblies and offices have to institute various checks and balancesโ€ฆ. Including some drawn by lots โ€ฆ so everybody had to get ready to become a top politician, at least for a while. Pericles, according to Thucydides, characterized the Athenians as politically literate:

    We do not say that a man who takes no interest in politics is a man who minds his own business; we say that he has no business here at all

    Many of Democracyโ€™s contemporaries whose work is part of historiography were highly critical of Democracy, but that is likely coming from more than a millennium of dictatorial filtering. Plato and Aristotle were intimate, in love and in business, with actual kings, tyrants and autocratic generals (such as Antipater for Aristotle; Antipater went to war against Athenian democracy, defeated it, established it as a plutocracy and was the executor of Aristotleโ€™s testament in more ways than oneโ€ฆ) As Democracy was followed by two millennia of dictatorship, there was a self-selective effect: a monk from the European Middle Ages would reproduce a manuscript friendly to the idea of having a local prince instead of reproducing a book calling people such as the local prince โ€œtyrantsโ€โ€ฆ. Which they were. Making the local tyrant unhappy could often be only alleviated by long tortures of the miscreantโ€ฆ

    One valid critique from Socrates is that Democracy sometimes put ignorant individuals in power where experts were needed. This can be corrected with guilds and orders, MERITOCRATIC DEMOCRATIC INSTITUTIONS when one reaches positions of authority through merit and experience. The Middle Ages built such a system over more than a millennia, ending with orders for doctors, lawyers, engineers, masons, etc.

    Politics is too important to be left to politicians who are adept at hiding their most important decisions, because that is where the real power lies. 

    Here is a crucial, even fatal, example of the present lack of true democracy: 

    NOBODY DEBATES INTELLIGENTLY THE WORLDโ€™S MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE:

    The official nuclear strategy of France for example is completely insane and nonsensical (and the unexpressed US nuclear strategy, or that of NATO, are similar, and just as inappropriateโ€ฆ Differently from the French, though, they have been smart enough to not talk of what they do not understandโ€ฆ). I will write a specific essay on it. I am not per se opposed to nukes (Hiroshima and Nagasaki, however atrocious, were better than any potential alternative, as it turned out). What I am opposed to is the specifics of the French nuclear doctrine, as both extremely ineffective and hyper dangerous (a bit like the Chernobyl reactor).

    However, this, the fate of humanity, no less, is not debated anywhere except probably in the Kremlin. As it is, individuals without knowledge of even physics, sitting in their hidden recesses like cockroaches, agitating their homicidal antennas, have elaborated secret doctrine to end humanity. And they present their conclusion with gravitas, heavily applauded by the other cockroaches they paid and honored, and who pretend to know stuff as they jet around the world.

    Instead the fate of the universe ought to be the object of a cogent, loud and fierce public debate (with the aim to reduce the insanity).

    ***

    ISEGORIA And PARHEISIA, Pillars Of Democracy, Can Be Expanded To Billions Of People, Thanks To The Internet:

    Direct democracy will prevent, as much as possible, the emergence of informal elites (e.g., charismatic orators, wealthy influencers) to manipulate public opinion better than any alternative. Isonomia and Parheisia, already perceived in antiquity as pillars of democracy enabling really free speech by all to all, should be enforced as much as possible. That super thinkers would have more influence is to be hoped for, and no sin, just the opposite. 

    AI assemblies, deliberating from various biases or viewpoints, to be used as advisers will help further.

    If one of the woke AI we have today had been able to advise the Athenians, they would not have genocidized the city-island-state of Milo, and they would not have attacked and invaded Syracuse. Nor would they have left their entire fleet on a beach (thatโ€™s how they lost the last battle; Alcibiades had told them not to, and why, but he was no AI and they ignored himโ€ฆ once again and for the last timeโ€ฆ 

    ***

    With the Internet, it should be easier to institute a MUCH MORE DEMOCRATIC system than in antiquity, thoughโ€ฆ By TWEAKING the existing democracies (the referendum system already exists on a large scale in California; Brexit was a referendum, true, and a disastrous one, but it was applied in a country not used to taking decisions by itself, without any remedy, and when PM Cameron decided it, he thought he would winโ€ฆ Thus it originated as an authoritative trick, not a genuine consultation.)

    Consulting with We The People could be done lightly, as in Switzerland: any โ€œvotationโ€ of We The People has to go through the conventional Oligarchic Democratic Process (ODP), with all its checks and balances, to become lawโ€ฆ Working through ODP avoids the notorious hysteria of Athenian democracyโ€ฆ By the way, Rome had the opposite problem: so many checks and balances that reforms, even when voted,  could not be effected, thanks to the Optimates in the Senateโ€ฆ Julius Caesar had understood this perfectly and rammed necessary reformsโ€ฆ But he should have remembered that this was an unforgivable crimeโ€ฆ 

    ***

    Letโ€™s go back to the question of Mob Rule, the old objection made against democracy as early as Plato. The Melian Dialogue shows its ruthlessness:โ€the strong do what they can, the weak do what they mustโ€. It finished in complete idiocy. Athenian democracy executed generals not just after a failed battle. After a crucial and belated victory on the Persian financed) Spartan fleet, Athenian democracy executed the nine victorious admirals. The atrocious defeat of Athenian civilization with about half of the population killed promptly followed a s aresultโ€ฆ How to prevent hysteria or tyranny of the majority?  Let me repeat: I propose an EVOLUTION, NOT A REVOLUTION: use a combination of Direct Democracy, debate, helped by AI assemblies (AI will be there, make it official and transparentโ€ฆ) Use them to IMPROVE the present Representative Oligarchic Democracyโ€ฆ By progressively forcing us to consult with intelligence.

    ***

    Athens had three political bodies where citizens gathered in numbers running into the hundreds or thousands. These are the assembly (in some cases with a quorum of 6,000), the council of 500 (boule), and the courts (a minimum of 200 people, on some occasions up to 6,000). 

    A citizen could sit twice, non consecutively, in the Boule, for a year in his lifetime. 

    ***

    The traditional objection to augmenting Direct Democracy is to point out that Athens had at most 80,000 voters. Yes. But it was not easy: major laws required 6000 votes, and farmers had to travel more than a day to come and vote (hungry Athens was surrounded by the crucial arable land of Attica, full of voting Athenian farmers). After a while, it was found necessary to pay voters to travel, come and reach a quorum. With modern communications, people can just talk to their phone.

    On top of this, the Roman Republic had several million voters, and could have survived, had the Optimates not been so stubborn and stupid, generation after generation, or had they not assassinated Caesar (long story). As it was, after the utterly chaotic civil war which followed Caesarโ€™s assassination, a military dictatorship was established and Augustus made himself Tribune for life.   

    The Roman Republic was three centuries old when it started to fall to a plutocratic exponentiation (very long story). It could have been avoided with much more sagacity after the defeat of Carthage and its Hellenistic Allies in the Second Punic war (surviving in good intelligence and trade with a subordinated Carthage would have been part of it).

    As it was, it was one war after another. Distant wars made the generals and the traders accommodating them, immensely wealthy; tax avoidance schemes, globalization, etc. followedโ€ฆ In the chaos, the ROMAN ABSOLUTE WEALTH LIMIT became less than a memory (I have computed it to be around 22 millions in 2022 $). When Tiberius Gracchus tried to reestablish it, the Optimates engaged in a process which broke the Republic in the 100 years which led to Caesarโ€™s assassination. 

    ***

    Both Athenian and Roman Direct Democracies were mostly defeated and ruined by plutocrats (even in the Peloponnesian War, the main shock to Athens, the Persian plutocratic superpower played the crucial role, by paying for everything, using Sparta as a telerobotic terminator)

    ***

    Romeโ€™s Direct Democracy had similar limitations for its various institutions (Consul for one year, and could not be re-elected for a decade). However in emergencies, Rome could elect a dictator with the powers of an absolute king. Cincinatus was elected to the highest offices several times, including dictator twenty years apart, because Rome was being invaded by foreign armiesโ€ฆ But still he was a farmerโ€ฆ. The first time, having defeated the enemy in a spectacular battle thanks to a massive mobilization and innovative methods which involved all of Rome making hundreds of thousands of stakes in a couple of days. Cincinatus returned to his plow within two weeksโ€ฆ

    Democracy was not invented just because it is the natural state of human beings as created by millions of years of evolution. The interest civilization has in democracy is that democracy makes civilization more intelligent. This is why greater democracy tends to win wars.

    Want democracy?

    Want more intelligence in saving civilization from destruction?

    Proscribe professional politicians!

    Patrice Ayme

    Note: The thoroughly corrupt present US political system seems very far from Direct Democracy. Systems in other oligarchic representative democracies are not as bad, but it is still the same general problem.  Timid steps have been taken, such as term limits. The US went overboard with an amendment preventing more than two presidential terms. France forbids two consecutive terms, and that is wiser: the only reason California governor Newson, a Getty creature, has a chance to run for president is that Obama canโ€™t be a candidate againโ€ฆ It is likely that Obama would become a much better president if he was reelected. Californiaโ€™s governor Brown was better in his second 8 year passage. 

    In any case the California mandatory referendums (1856 CE) and initiative system (1911 CE) has worked very well, and intensely, for more than a century, and is compatible with ORD โ€ฆ And the first start to do for other nation-states would be to imitate it if they want to augment the Democratic Index. 

    That little light is a giant harvester working the fields. Enough fields to feed the two million people who call the area home, surrounded by mountains centered around Western Europeโ€™s largest lake. The Swiss and the French have been careful to maintain self-sufficiency in food productionโ€ฆ Which would be necessary if world trade collapsed as it did when the Roman state disnitegrated. By the way, Caesar defended Geneva successfally against the Helvetiaeโ€ฆ

    #AncientGreece #Athens #Caesar #Corruption #democracy #DirectDemocracy #history #Intelligence #Optimates #Philosophy #plutocracy #Politicians #politics #Referendum #Republic #Rome
  15. ๐Ÿงฑ๐Ÿ›๏ธ Manuel Bravoโ€™s #video walks viewers through the #Acropolis using #3D models to overlay how #ruins look today against their 5th century BCE appearance.

    The hill was designed as a deliberate, almost cinematic ascent from everyday life into the sacred. Bonus: the #Parthenon is scaffolding-free for the first time in 200 years, and a full-scale replica stands in #Nashville.

    ๐Ÿ‘‰ openculture.com/2026/05/a-tour

    #athens #greece #ancienthistory #architecture #arthistory #mythology #ancientgreece #history #travel #sculpture #engineering

  16. DONE! My translation is just a wee bit different than Fagles and Lombardo.

    "Next, [Bellerophon] fought against the renowned Solymi, who were renowed in battle in the past. Thus, at any rate, it was said to be the strongest battle he had ever entered into. And thus furthermore, lastly, he slew the Amazons, who were a match for men."

    And yes, if my translation sounds FORMAL, that's because Homeric Greek is FORMAL!

    #Classics #Histodon #AncientGreece #BronzeAge #WarriorWomen #AncientHistory
    #WomenInTheAncientWorld

  17. I'll be doing my own translation of this passage...

    "ฮบฮฑฯฯ„ฮฏฯƒฯ„ฮทฮฝ ฮดแฝด ฯ„ฮฎฮฝ ฮณฮต ฮผฮฌฯ‡ฮทฮฝ ฯ†ฮฌฯ„ฮฟ ฮดฯฮผฮตฮฝฮฑฮน แผ€ฮฝฮดฯแฟถฮฝ.
    ฯ„แฝธ ฯ„ฯฮฏฯ„ฮฟฮฝ ฮฑแฝ– ฮบฮฑฯ„ฮญฯ€ฮตฯ†ฮฝฮตฮฝ แผˆฮผฮฑฮถฯŒฮฝฮฑฯ‚ แผ€ฮฝฯ„ฮนฮฑฮฝฮตฮฏฯฮฑฯ‚."

    #Classics #Histodon #AncientGreece #BronzeAge #WarriorWomen #AncientHistory
    #WomenInTheAncientWorld

  18. [Thread] So, my "homework" assignment has to do with #Amazons -- one of my favorite topics to focus on (since I was 11 years old). I was recently gifted a new book about Amazons, and also had one that I picked up for myself years ago, but hadn't gotten around to reading yet. The books are: "The Amazons: Lives and Legends of Warrior Women Across The Ancient World" by Adrienne Mayor (2014), and "Amazons: The History Behind the Legend" by David Braund. Both of them are Classics scholars, but they seem to have completely different takes on Amazons (from what I've read in the reviews). And yes, I am planning on diving into both books, but first, I'm going to work on my own translations of certain passages in #TheIlliad and #Herodotus' "Histories"!

    #Classics #Histodon #AncientGreece #BronzeAge #WarriorWomen #AncientHistory #WomenInTheAncientWorld

  19. I noticed this as well!

    #AncientTexts depict all kinds of people, not just straight and cis ones โ€“ this college course looks at #LGBTQ sexuality and #gender in #Egypt, #Greece and #Rome

    By Tina Chronopoulos
    Published: September 11, 2023

    Title of course:

    โ€œLGBTQ Antiquity: A View from the Mediterraneanโ€

    What prompted the idea for the course?

    I study Greek and Latin literature and have noticed that ancient authors wrote about sex, #homoerotic feelings or relations, and gender more often than we assume.

    A few figures from ancient Mediterranean mythology are sometimes held up as LGBTQ ancestors โ€“ such as the Greek gods #Apollo and #Zeus who both loved other men. But in a mythology course I taught in the fall of 2021, I found myself highlighting a number of other stories about same-sex attraction and gender variance beyond a strict male-female binary. For example, spells from Egypt show that there were women who tried to get other women to fall in love with them.

    Students responded with such curiosity and excitement that I decided to create a stand-alone course that would focus exclusively on these topics.

    What does the course explore?

    The course explores literary texts from the #AncientMediterranean โ€“ including #Mesopotamia, Egypt, Greece and Roman Italy โ€“ in which authors describe relationships that can be said to fall under the LGBTQ umbrella. We read the texts in chronological order, rather than grouped by theme or identity. This allows students to encounter the texts relatively label-free, since the words U.S. society uses to talk about gender and sexuality today โ€“ like โ€œgayโ€ or โ€œtransgenderโ€ โ€“ do not always align with ancient understandings.

    Why is this course relevant now?

    Assaults on members of the LGBTQ community, especially trans folks, are rising in the United States: both through legal means in a number of states and through physical attacks and hate crimes.

    My goal is for students to take courage and hope from knowing that same-sex relationships and gender diversity have existed in various guises for millennia. In antiquity, homosexuality was not considered an identity category the way it is today, making it hard to determine if and how LGBTQ-like people were discriminated against, but they certainly were not always met with contempt. For example, the body of #Hermaphroditus, a god whom Greeks sought out for help with fertility and child care issues, combined female and male characteristics.

    I also want students to connect with the past as a way to feel rooted and validated. In this, I took a cue from trans activist #LeslieFeinberg, who wrote in the 1996 book โ€œ#TransgenderWarriors,โ€ โ€œI couldnโ€™t find myself in history. No one like me seemed to have ever existed.โ€
    Whatโ€™s a critical lesson from the course?

    LGBTQ-like individuals have always been here, although modern conceptions of self, gender and sexuality cannot be mapped directly onto the past.

    The identities we know today were unknown then: The concept of homosexuality as a distinct sexual orientation or distinct kind of behavior did not exist. For instance, elite men in ancient Athens often engaged in same-sex relationships with men alongside their marriages to women. Those who were in exclusively homoerotic relationships, however, tended to be ridiculed.

    Another critical lesson is that language matters. The words we use today are often inadequate to capture how social status or age intersected with oneโ€™s gender in the ancient Mediterranean. Take the Greek word for a woman or wife, โ€œฮณแฟ ฮฝฮฎ.โ€ Typically, this word refers to an upper-class woman, rather than, say, one who is enslaved or a foreigner. Norms around sexual activity depended on a personโ€™s social status, age and gender.

    What materials does the course feature?

    Students come into the course expecting to encounter celebrated characters such as the poet #Sappho, from the Greek island of #Lesbos, whom lesbians have regarded as an ancestor.

    However, we also read less famous authors, such as #Lucian of #Samosata, a Syrian-born satirist from the second century C.E. In one of his dialogues, a sex worker tells her friend about an encounter she had with two other women, one of whom describes herself as โ€œquite like a man.โ€

    Not all authors are sympathetic. #JohnChrysostom, archbishop of Constantinople at the end of the fourth century C.E., vilified people who engaged in homoerotic acts or homosexual relationships as criminals, mentally ill, diseased or diabolic. Many of these views are still being promulgated by religious leaders today.

    The course also explores the lives of some Byzantine saints who were seen as women before they entered a monastery or became ascetics. Yet their self-punishing practices, such as extreme fasting, transformed their bodies, and the surrounding communities started to see them as men. These stories, which aimed to uplift their audiences, serve as a reminder that cross-dressing and gender variance were not always seen as objectionable.

    Read more:
    theconversation.com/ancient-te

    #AncientRome #AncientGreece #AncientEgypt #LGBTQHistory #Histodon #AncientHistory

  20. Women's rights in Greece and Rome were more of my specialty -- especially ancient Greece. And yes, all this was how it was -- women had few rights under #Athenian #patriarchy.

    #LegalStatus of Women in #Ancient Greece

    Women were dependent on fathers, husbands, or #kyroi (appointed guardians). They could not own property, and were considered wards of their fathers or kyroi.

    In #500BCE, fathers could sell their unmarried daughters โ€œwho had lost their #virginityโ€ (Blundell, 69) into slavery.

    โ€œ#Inheritance was #patrilinealโ€ (Blundell, 66) โ€“ even if a daughter was the only child, she could not inherit her fatherโ€™s property โ€“ it would be passed down to โ€œher sonsโ€ (Blundell, 66), or โ€œmore distant [male] relativesโ€ (Blundell, 66).

    #Autonomy #Histodon #AncientHistory #AncientGreece #PropertyRights #WomensRights

  21. DeepMindโ€™s new AI tool helps resolve debate over ancient Athenian decrees - Enlarge / This fragmented inscription records a decree concerning the A... - arstechnica.com/?p=1839561 #artificialintellignece #deepneuralnetworks #digitalhumanities #machinelearning #gaming&culture #ancientgreece #ancienttexts #science