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The New Glacial Geomorphological Map From New Zealand [2021]
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https://blogs.egu.eu/divisions/cr/2021/04/02/new-zealand-geomorphology-glaciers/ <-- shared (2021) technical article/blog, Cryospheric Sciences (CR) Division, @European Geosciences Union
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https://doi.org/10.1080/17445647.2021.1876777 <-- shared (2020) paper
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#GIS #spatial #mapping #NewZealand #geomorphology #NewZealand #SouthernAlps #Quaternary #glaciation #landscape #hydrogeomorphology #water #ice #sediment #glacier #glacial #cryosphere #spatialanalysis #geology #Ahuriri #AhuririRiver #paleolake #WaitakiRiver #basin #remotesensing #postglacial #moraine #glaciology #cryosphere #processes #morphology #LastGlacialMaximum #geochronology

The New Glacial Geomorphological Map From New Zealand [2021]
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https://blogs.egu.eu/divisions/cr/2021/04/02/new-zealand-geomorphology-glaciers/ <-- shared (2021) technical article/blog, Cryospheric Sciences (CR) Division, @European Geosciences Union
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https://doi.org/10.1080/17445647.2021.1876777 <-- shared (2020) paper
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#GIS #spatial #mapping #NewZealand #geomorphology #NewZealand #SouthernAlps #Quaternary #glaciation #landscape #hydrogeomorphology #water #ice #sediment #glacier #glacial #cryosphere #spatialanalysis #geology #Ahuriri #AhuririRiver #paleolake #WaitakiRiver #basin #remotesensing #postglacial #moraine #glaciology #cryosphere #processes #morphology #LastGlacialMaximum #geochronology

The New Glacial Geomorphological Map From New Zealand [2021]
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https://blogs.egu.eu/divisions/cr/2021/04/02/new-zealand-geomorphology-glaciers/ <-- shared (2021) technical article/blog, Cryospheric Sciences (CR) Division, @European Geosciences Union
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https://doi.org/10.1080/17445647.2021.1876777 <-- shared (2020) paper
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#GIS #spatial #mapping #NewZealand #geomorphology #NewZealand #SouthernAlps #Quaternary #glaciation #landscape #hydrogeomorphology #water #ice #sediment #glacier #glacial #cryosphere #spatialanalysis #geology #Ahuriri #AhuririRiver #paleolake #WaitakiRiver #basin #remotesensing #postglacial #moraine #glaciology #cryosphere #processes #morphology #LastGlacialMaximum #geochronology

The New Glacial Geomorphological Map From New Zealand [2021]
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https://blogs.egu.eu/divisions/cr/2021/04/02/new-zealand-geomorphology-glaciers/ <-- shared (2021) technical article/blog, Cryospheric Sciences (CR) Division, @European Geosciences Union
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https://doi.org/10.1080/17445647.2021.1876777 <-- shared (2020) paper
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#GIS #spatial #mapping #NewZealand #geomorphology #NewZealand #SouthernAlps #Quaternary #glaciation #landscape #hydrogeomorphology #water #ice #sediment #glacier #glacial #cryosphere #spatialanalysis #geology #Ahuriri #AhuririRiver #paleolake #WaitakiRiver #basin #remotesensing #postglacial #moraine #glaciology #cryosphere #processes #morphology #LastGlacialMaximum #geochronology

The New Glacial Geomorphological Map From New Zealand [2021]
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https://blogs.egu.eu/divisions/cr/2021/04/02/new-zealand-geomorphology-glaciers/ <-- shared (2021) technical article/blog, Cryospheric Sciences (CR) Division, @European Geosciences Union
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https://doi.org/10.1080/17445647.2021.1876777 <-- shared (2020) paper
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#GIS #spatial #mapping #NewZealand #geomorphology #NewZealand #SouthernAlps #Quaternary #glaciation #landscape #hydrogeomorphology #water #ice #sediment #glacier #glacial #cryosphere #spatialanalysis #geology #Ahuriri #AhuririRiver #paleolake #WaitakiRiver #basin #remotesensing #postglacial #moraine #glaciology #cryosphere #processes #morphology #LastGlacialMaximum #geochronology

https://www.europesays.com/uk/765009/ Japanese Archipelago Was Once a Refuge for Cave Lions #ApexPredator #Asia #CaveLion #DNA #eurasia #EurasianCaveLion #Felidae #fossil #Gene #Genome #IceAge #Japan #JapaneseArchipelago #LastGlacialMaximum #Migration #MitochondrialGenome #mtDNA #NuclearGenome #Panthera #PantheraLeoSpelaea #PantheraSpelaea #PantheraTigris #Pleistocene #Science #tiger #UK #UnitedKingdom #wildlife

Japanese Archipelago Was Once a Refuge for Cave Lions

Between 73,000 and 20,000 years ago (Late Pleistocene), the Japanese Arc…
#NewsBeep #News #Wildlife #apexpredator #Asia #AU #Australia #Cavelion #dna #Eurasia #Eurasiancavelion #Felidae #fossil #Gene #Genome #IceAge #japan #JapaneseArchipelago #LastGlacialMaximum #migration #Mitochondrialgenome #mtDNA #Nucleargenome #Panthera #Pantheraleospelaea #Pantheraspelaea #Pantheratigris #Pleistocene #Science #tiger
https://www.newsbeep.com/au/479504/

https://www.europesays.com/ie/336294/ Japanese Archipelago Was Once a Refuge for Cave Lions #ApexPredator #Asia #CaveLion #DNA #Éire #Eurasia #EurasianCaveLion #Felidae #fossil #Gene #Genome #IceAge #IE #Ireland #Japan #JapaneseArchipelago #LastGlacialMaximum #Migration #MitochondrialGenome #mtDNA #NuclearGenome #Panthera #PantheraLeoSpelaea #PantheraSpelaea #PantheraTigris #Pleistocene #Science #tiger

Turn back the clock to the last glacial period, and the American South was a taiga...only unlike any we know today.

Read more at my #blog: https://www.adamasnemesis.com/2026/01/21/the-glacial-american-south-a-lost-world/

This post's featured image is Southern Appalachian spruce-fir forest at Clingman's Dome by Brian Stansberry (2011) (CC-BY 3.0)

#science #climate #paleoclimatology #climatology #meteorology #weather #worldbuilding #glacial #iceage #lastglacialmaximum

Turn back the clock to the last glacial period, and the American South was a taiga...only unlike any we know today.

Read more at my #blog: https://www.adamasnemesis.com/2026/01/21/the-glacial-american-south-a-lost-world/

This post's featured image is Southern Appalachian spruce-fir forest at Clingman's Dome by Brian Stansberry (2011) (CC-BY 3.0)

#science #climate #paleoclimatology #climatology #meteorology #weather #worldbuilding #glacial #iceage #lastglacialmaximum

Turn back the clock to the last glacial period, and the American South was a taiga...only unlike any we know today.

Read more at my #blog: https://www.adamasnemesis.com/2026/01/21/the-glacial-american-south-a-lost-world/

This post's featured image is Southern Appalachian spruce-fir forest at Clingman's Dome by Brian Stansberry (2011) (CC-BY 3.0)

#science #climate #paleoclimatology #climatology #meteorology #weather #worldbuilding #glacial #iceage #lastglacialmaximum

Turn back the clock to the last glacial period, and the American South was a taiga...only unlike any we know today.

Read more at my #blog: https://www.adamasnemesis.com/2026/01/21/the-glacial-american-south-a-lost-world/

This post's featured image is Southern Appalachian spruce-fir forest at Clingman's Dome by Brian Stansberry (2011) (CC-BY 3.0)

#science #climate #paleoclimatology #climatology #meteorology #weather #worldbuilding #glacial #iceage #lastglacialmaximum

Turn back the clock to the last glacial period, and the American South was a taiga...only unlike any we know today.

Read more at my #blog: https://www.adamasnemesis.com/2026/01/21/the-glacial-american-south-a-lost-world/

This post's featured image is Southern Appalachian spruce-fir forest at Clingman's Dome by Brian Stansberry (2011) (CC-BY 3.0)

#science #climate #paleoclimatology #climatology #meteorology #weather #worldbuilding #glacial #iceage #lastglacialmaximum

https://www.europesays.com/uk/652053/ How Fearsome Wolves Became Loyal Dogs — and Changed Human History Forever #AncientDna #AnimalBehavior #Anthropology #Archaeology #CoEvolution #Dogs #DomesticatedAnimals #domestication #evolution #Genetics #HumanEvolution #HumanHistory #HumanAnimalBond #LastGlacialMaximum #Paleolithic #prehistory #Science #UK #UnitedKingdom #wildlife #Wolves

https://www.europesays.com/ie/248432/ How Fearsome Wolves Became Loyal Dogs — and Changed Human History Forever #AncientDNA #AnimalBehavior #Anthropology #Archaeology #CoEvolution #Dogs #DomesticatedAnimals #domestication #Éire #Evolution #Genetics #HumanEvolution #HumanHistory #HumanAnimalBond #IE #Ireland #LastGlacialMaximum #paleolithic #prehistory #Science #Wildlife #Wolves

What if, when we stroll into California and feel at home, we're reminded not of any paradise of today, but rather Africa in the last ice age? The science, shockingly, checks out...

Read more at my #blog: https://www.adamasnemesis.com/2025/11/18/paradise-lost/

This post's featured image is Ice Age Earth, by Ittiz of Wikipedia (rotated by me).

#iceage #climate #paleoclimate #prehistory #paleoclimatology #science #glacialperiod #lastglacialmaximum

What if, when we stroll into California and feel at home, we're reminded not of any paradise of today, but rather Africa in the last ice age? The science, shockingly, checks out...

Read more at my #blog: https://www.adamasnemesis.com/2025/11/18/paradise-lost/

This post's featured image is Ice Age Earth, by Ittiz of Wikipedia (rotated by me).

#iceage #climate #paleoclimate #prehistory #paleoclimatology #science #glacialperiod #lastglacialmaximum

What if, when we stroll into California and feel at home, we're reminded not of any paradise of today, but rather Africa in the last ice age? The science, shockingly, checks out...

Read more at my #blog: https://www.adamasnemesis.com/2025/11/18/paradise-lost/

This post's featured image is Ice Age Earth, by Ittiz of Wikipedia (rotated by me).

#iceage #climate #paleoclimate #prehistory #paleoclimatology #science #glacialperiod #lastglacialmaximum

What if, when we stroll into California and feel at home, we're reminded not of any paradise of today, but rather Africa in the last ice age? The science, shockingly, checks out...

Read more at my #blog: https://www.adamasnemesis.com/2025/11/18/paradise-lost/

This post's featured image is Ice Age Earth, by Ittiz of Wikipedia (rotated by me).

#iceage #climate #paleoclimate #prehistory #paleoclimatology #science #glacialperiod #lastglacialmaximum

What if, when we stroll into California and feel at home, we're reminded not of any paradise of today, but rather Africa in the last ice age? The science, shockingly, checks out...

Read more at my #blog: https://www.adamasnemesis.com/2025/11/18/paradise-lost/

This post's featured image is Ice Age Earth, by Ittiz of Wikipedia (rotated by me).

#iceage #climate #paleoclimate #prehistory #paleoclimatology #science #glacialperiod #lastglacialmaximum

North Devon Fremington Clay Series - A Case for Predominantly Fluvial and Periglacial Origins [pdf 22pp] #LastGlacialMaximum #Dartmoor https://www.academia.edu/144683132/Caution_in_Attributing_the_Fremington_Clay_Series_to_Irish_Sea_Glaciation_A_Case_for_Predominantly_Fluvial_and_Periglacial_Origins_in_North_Devon

North Devon Fremington Clay Series - A Case for Predominantly Fluvial and Periglacial Origins [pdf 22pp] #LastGlacialMaximum #Dartmoor https://www.academia.edu/144683132/Caution_in_Attributing_the_Fremington_Clay_Series_to_Irish_Sea_Glaciation_A_Case_for_Predominantly_Fluvial_and_Periglacial_Origins_in_North_Devon

North Devon Fremington Clay Series - A Case for Predominantly Fluvial and Periglacial Origins [pdf 22pp] #LastGlacialMaximum #Dartmoor https://www.academia.edu/144683132/Caution_in_Attributing_the_Fremington_Clay_Series_to_Irish_Sea_Glaciation_A_Case_for_Predominantly_Fluvial_and_Periglacial_Origins_in_North_Devon

North Devon Fremington Clay Series - A Case for Predominantly Fluvial and Periglacial Origins [pdf 22pp] #LastGlacialMaximum #Dartmoor https://www.academia.edu/144683132/Caution_in_Attributing_the_Fremington_Clay_Series_to_Irish_Sea_Glaciation_A_Case_for_Predominantly_Fluvial_and_Periglacial_Origins_in_North_Devon

North Devon Fremington Clay Series - A Case for Predominantly Fluvial and Periglacial Origins [pdf 22pp] #LastGlacialMaximum #Dartmoor https://www.academia.edu/144683132/Caution_in_Attributing_the_Fremington_Clay_Series_to_Irish_Sea_Glaciation_A_Case_for_Predominantly_Fluvial_and_Periglacial_Origins_in_North_Devon

#AMOC musings and global mean temperature GMT

Says here https://www.nature.com/articles/s41561-024-01568-1.epdf?sharing_token=O3cvnzvEWDHiaPGAV-CB3dRgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0M2PsD_MIel1A6mz6UbuhaTQSv4VfXkSU9okrbFGA0gy1etRpvwJw0P0tMsHg9ro8Nv1h-GiKg-3Km08jevWj3MVZ6uFzlIrUTv-X1bF8I0K8crc3qdtYsHtgUTx9fE2Zc%3D
(Original #Pontes etal 2024 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41561-024-01568-1 )

it takes 5 years for the Southern warming signal from AMOC slowdown to appear in the Atlantic near South Africa. And another 14 years for the signal to propagate from South Africa's coast to Brazil's.

So for 14 to 19 years, GMT can be expected to drop from the cooling from Greenland to St Petersburg.
(Yay, another told-you-so-moment for climate deniers!)

But then, when the warming Atlantic is seriously trapped in the South, for a while there, GMT will be stable.

Just goes to show how meaningless the concept of GMT really is. Civilisation will have disappeared in a puff of smoke, or maybe, in a blizzard. But GMT is stable. Yay.

This study looks at a few climate elements over 1000 years after fossil fuel cessation https://esd.copernicus.org/articles/15/1353/2024/esd-15-1353-2024.html
by #King et al 2024 "Exploring climate stabilisation at different global warming levels"

Among other continued regional climate changes, they find that Antarctic sea ice will continue to decline despite stabilisation of GMT🌡️ after CO2zero.

But the paper does not mention this:
continued Antarctic #seaice decline means that #Antarctic bottom water formation slows down. Which in turn changes the ocean carbon cycle and slows down AMOC.

Since they don't mention either, how trustworthy is the overall model result?
And can it also mean that a stabilised GMT is merely the result of an AMOC shutdown where cooling over North East Atlantic is balanced by warming everywhere else?

It did mean exactly that in #paleoclimate during the #LastGlacialMaximum, #LGM:
The bellwether for global mean temperature is a place called Ceara Rise off the coast of North Brazil.
It's surface temperature proxies stayed stable-ish with minuscule changes during known AMOC shutdowns in the last #IceAge
( #Westerhold et al 2020 https://www.science.org/doi/abs/10.1126/science.aba6853)

I'm not convinced that global mean temperature has meaning at all. Haven't been for a long time now. Especially because I see climate scientists on Twix, here or Bluesky mis-using GMT as proof for something to be irrelevant if it only has an impact of 0.05°C on GMT for example.

But regional impacts of something is where it hits us, our civilisation!

The chart shows temperature at Ceara Rise as white line. It's values are the originals, not in any way amended to fit the y-axis.
Greenland's d18O in light yellow is a proxy for temperature changes. When it goes up or down, it's likely that AMOC hickupped.
But Ceara Rise, the bellwether for global mean temperature, stayed a stable holiday destination for the Neanderthals throughout the Last Glacial Maximum, with changes of maybe 0.2°C .

#AMOC musings and global mean temperature GMT

Says here https://www.nature.com/articles/s41561-024-01568-1.epdf?sharing_token=O3cvnzvEWDHiaPGAV-CB3dRgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0M2PsD_MIel1A6mz6UbuhaTQSv4VfXkSU9okrbFGA0gy1etRpvwJw0P0tMsHg9ro8Nv1h-GiKg-3Km08jevWj3MVZ6uFzlIrUTv-X1bF8I0K8crc3qdtYsHtgUTx9fE2Zc%3D
(Original #Pontes etal 2024 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41561-024-01568-1 )

it takes 5 years for the Southern warming signal from AMOC slowdown to appear in the Atlantic near South Africa. And another 14 years for the signal to propagate from South Africa's coast to Brazil's.

So for 14 to 19 years, GMT can be expected to drop from the cooling from Greenland to St Petersburg.
(Yay, another told-you-so-moment for climate deniers!)

But then, when the warming Atlantic is seriously trapped in the South, for a while there, GMT will be stable.

Just goes to show how meaningless the concept of GMT really is. Civilisation will have disappeared in a puff of smoke, or maybe, in a blizzard. But GMT is stable. Yay.

This study looks at a few climate elements over 1000 years after fossil fuel cessation https://esd.copernicus.org/articles/15/1353/2024/esd-15-1353-2024.html
by #King et al 2024 "Exploring climate stabilisation at different global warming levels"

Among other continued regional climate changes, they find that Antarctic sea ice will continue to decline despite stabilisation of GMT🌡️ after CO2zero.

But the paper does not mention this:
continued Antarctic #seaice decline means that #Antarctic bottom water formation slows down. Which in turn changes the ocean carbon cycle and slows down AMOC.

Since they don't mention either, how trustworthy is the overall model result?
And can it also mean that a stabilised GMT is merely the result of an AMOC shutdown where cooling over North East Atlantic is balanced by warming everywhere else?

It did mean exactly that in #paleoclimate during the #LastGlacialMaximum, #LGM:
The bellwether for global mean temperature is a place called Ceara Rise off the coast of North Brazil.
It's surface temperature proxies stayed stable-ish with minuscule changes during known AMOC shutdowns in the last #IceAge
( #Westerhold et al 2020 https://www.science.org/doi/abs/10.1126/science.aba6853)

I'm not convinced that global mean temperature has meaning at all. Haven't been for a long time now. Especially because I see climate scientists on Twix, here or Bluesky mis-using GMT as proof for something to be irrelevant if it only has an impact of 0.05°C on GMT for example.

But regional impacts of something is where it hits us, our civilisation!

The chart shows temperature at Ceara Rise as white line. It's values are the originals, not in any way amended to fit the y-axis.
Greenland's d18O in light yellow is a proxy for temperature changes. When it goes up or down, it's likely that AMOC hickupped.
But Ceara Rise, the bellwether for global mean temperature, stayed a stable holiday destination for the Neanderthals throughout the Last Glacial Maximum, with changes of maybe 0.2°C .

#AMOC musings and global mean temperature GMT

Says here https://www.nature.com/articles/s41561-024-01568-1.epdf?sharing_token=O3cvnzvEWDHiaPGAV-CB3dRgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0M2PsD_MIel1A6mz6UbuhaTQSv4VfXkSU9okrbFGA0gy1etRpvwJw0P0tMsHg9ro8Nv1h-GiKg-3Km08jevWj3MVZ6uFzlIrUTv-X1bF8I0K8crc3qdtYsHtgUTx9fE2Zc%3D
(Original #Pontes etal 2024 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41561-024-01568-1 )

it takes 5 years for the Southern warming signal from AMOC slowdown to appear in the Atlantic near South Africa. And another 14 years for the signal to propagate from South Africa's coast to Brazil's.

So for 14 to 19 years, GMT can be expected to drop from the cooling from Greenland to St Petersburg.
(Yay, another told-you-so-moment for climate deniers!)

But then, when the warming Atlantic is seriously trapped in the South, for a while there, GMT will be stable.

Just goes to show how meaningless the concept of GMT really is. Civilisation will have disappeared in a puff of smoke, or maybe, in a blizzard. But GMT is stable. Yay.

This study looks at a few climate elements over 1000 years after fossil fuel cessation https://esd.copernicus.org/articles/15/1353/2024/esd-15-1353-2024.html
by #King et al 2024 "Exploring climate stabilisation at different global warming levels"

Among other continued regional climate changes, they find that Antarctic sea ice will continue to decline despite stabilisation of GMT🌡️ after CO2zero.

But the paper does not mention this:
continued Antarctic #seaice decline means that #Antarctic bottom water formation slows down. Which in turn changes the ocean carbon cycle and slows down AMOC.

Since they don't mention either, how trustworthy is the overall model result?
And can it also mean that a stabilised GMT is merely the result of an AMOC shutdown where cooling over North East Atlantic is balanced by warming everywhere else?

It did mean exactly that in #paleoclimate during the #LastGlacialMaximum, #LGM:
The bellwether for global mean temperature is a place called Ceara Rise off the coast of North Brazil.
It's surface temperature proxies stayed stable-ish with minuscule changes during known AMOC shutdowns in the last #IceAge
( #Westerhold et al 2020 https://www.science.org/doi/abs/10.1126/science.aba6853)

I'm not convinced that global mean temperature has meaning at all. Haven't been for a long time now. Especially because I see climate scientists on Twix, here or Bluesky mis-using GMT as proof for something to be irrelevant if it only has an impact of 0.05°C on GMT for example.

But regional impacts of something is where it hits us, our civilisation!

The chart shows temperature at Ceara Rise as white line. It's values are the originals, not in any way amended to fit the y-axis.
Greenland's d18O in light yellow is a proxy for temperature changes. When it goes up or down, it's likely that AMOC hickupped.
But Ceara Rise, the bellwether for global mean temperature, stayed a stable holiday destination for the Neanderthals throughout the Last Glacial Maximum, with changes of maybe 0.2°C .

#AMOC musings and global mean temperature GMT

Says here https://www.nature.com/articles/s41561-024-01568-1.epdf?sharing_token=O3cvnzvEWDHiaPGAV-CB3dRgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0M2PsD_MIel1A6mz6UbuhaTQSv4VfXkSU9okrbFGA0gy1etRpvwJw0P0tMsHg9ro8Nv1h-GiKg-3Km08jevWj3MVZ6uFzlIrUTv-X1bF8I0K8crc3qdtYsHtgUTx9fE2Zc%3D
(Original #Pontes etal 2024 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41561-024-01568-1 )

it takes 5 years for the Southern warming signal from AMOC slowdown to appear in the Atlantic near South Africa. And another 14 years for the signal to propagate from South Africa's coast to Brazil's.

So for 14 to 19 years, GMT can be expected to drop from the cooling from Greenland to St Petersburg.
(Yay, another told-you-so-moment for climate deniers!)

But then, when the warming Atlantic is seriously trapped in the South, for a while there, GMT will be stable.

Just goes to show how meaningless the concept of GMT really is. Civilisation will have disappeared in a puff of smoke, or maybe, in a blizzard. But GMT is stable. Yay.

This study looks at a few climate elements over 1000 years after fossil fuel cessation https://esd.copernicus.org/articles/15/1353/2024/esd-15-1353-2024.html
by #King et al 2024 "Exploring climate stabilisation at different global warming levels"

Among other continued regional climate changes, they find that Antarctic sea ice will continue to decline despite stabilisation of GMT🌡️ after CO2zero.

But the paper does not mention this:
continued Antarctic #seaice decline means that #Antarctic bottom water formation slows down. Which in turn changes the ocean carbon cycle and slows down AMOC.

Since they don't mention either, how trustworthy is the overall model result?
And can it also mean that a stabilised GMT is merely the result of an AMOC shutdown where cooling over North East Atlantic is balanced by warming everywhere else?

It did mean exactly that in #paleoclimate during the #LastGlacialMaximum, #LGM:
The bellwether for global mean temperature is a place called Ceara Rise off the coast of North Brazil.
It's surface temperature proxies stayed stable-ish with minuscule changes during known AMOC shutdowns in the last #IceAge
( #Westerhold et al 2020 https://www.science.org/doi/abs/10.1126/science.aba6853)

I'm not convinced that global mean temperature has meaning at all. Haven't been for a long time now. Especially because I see climate scientists on Twix, here or Bluesky mis-using GMT as proof for something to be irrelevant if it only has an impact of 0.05°C on GMT for example.

But regional impacts of something is where it hits us, our civilisation!

The chart shows temperature at Ceara Rise as white line. It's values are the originals, not in any way amended to fit the y-axis.
Greenland's d18O in light yellow is a proxy for temperature changes. When it goes up or down, it's likely that AMOC hickupped.
But Ceara Rise, the bellwether for global mean temperature, stayed a stable holiday destination for the Neanderthals throughout the Last Glacial Maximum, with changes of maybe 0.2°C .

#AMOC musings and global mean temperature GMT

Says here https://www.nature.com/articles/s41561-024-01568-1.epdf?sharing_token=O3cvnzvEWDHiaPGAV-CB3dRgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0M2PsD_MIel1A6mz6UbuhaTQSv4VfXkSU9okrbFGA0gy1etRpvwJw0P0tMsHg9ro8Nv1h-GiKg-3Km08jevWj3MVZ6uFzlIrUTv-X1bF8I0K8crc3qdtYsHtgUTx9fE2Zc%3D
(Original #Pontes etal 2024 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41561-024-01568-1 )

it takes 5 years for the Southern warming signal from AMOC slowdown to appear in the Atlantic near South Africa. And another 14 years for the signal to propagate from South Africa's coast to Brazil's.

So for 14 to 19 years, GMT can be expected to drop from the cooling from Greenland to St Petersburg.
(Yay, another told-you-so-moment for climate deniers!)

But then, when the warming Atlantic is seriously trapped in the South, for a while there, GMT will be stable.

Just goes to show how meaningless the concept of GMT really is. Civilisation will have disappeared in a puff of smoke, or maybe, in a blizzard. But GMT is stable. Yay.

This study looks at a few climate elements over 1000 years after fossil fuel cessation https://esd.copernicus.org/articles/15/1353/2024/esd-15-1353-2024.html
by #King et al 2024 "Exploring climate stabilisation at different global warming levels"

Among other continued regional climate changes, they find that Antarctic sea ice will continue to decline despite stabilisation of GMT🌡️ after CO2zero.

But the paper does not mention this:
continued Antarctic #seaice decline means that #Antarctic bottom water formation slows down. Which in turn changes the ocean carbon cycle and slows down AMOC.

Since they don't mention either, how trustworthy is the overall model result?
And can it also mean that a stabilised GMT is merely the result of an AMOC shutdown where cooling over North East Atlantic is balanced by warming everywhere else?

It did mean exactly that in #paleoclimate during the #LastGlacialMaximum, #LGM:
The bellwether for global mean temperature is a place called Ceara Rise off the coast of North Brazil.
It's surface temperature proxies stayed stable-ish with minuscule changes during known AMOC shutdowns in the last #IceAge
( #Westerhold et al 2020 https://www.science.org/doi/abs/10.1126/science.aba6853)

I'm not convinced that global mean temperature has meaning at all. Haven't been for a long time now. Especially because I see climate scientists on Twix, here or Bluesky mis-using GMT as proof for something to be irrelevant if it only has an impact of 0.05°C on GMT for example.

But regional impacts of something is where it hits us, our civilisation!

The chart shows temperature at Ceara Rise as white line. It's values are the originals, not in any way amended to fit the y-axis.
Greenland's d18O in light yellow is a proxy for temperature changes. When it goes up or down, it's likely that AMOC hickupped.
But Ceara Rise, the bellwether for global mean temperature, stayed a stable holiday destination for the Neanderthals throughout the Last Glacial Maximum, with changes of maybe 0.2°C .

evidence of hot spring oasis during last ice age in central Europe #HotSprings #IceAge #palaeolithic #LastGlacialMaximum
https://phys.org/news/2024-06-scientists-evidence-hot-oasis-ice.html

evidence of hot spring oasis during last ice age in central Europe #HotSprings #IceAge #palaeolithic #LastGlacialMaximum
https://phys.org/news/2024-06-scientists-evidence-hot-oasis-ice.html

evidence of hot spring oasis during last ice age in central Europe #HotSprings #IceAge #palaeolithic #LastGlacialMaximum
https://phys.org/news/2024-06-scientists-evidence-hot-oasis-ice.html

evidence of hot spring oasis during last ice age in central Europe #HotSprings #IceAge #palaeolithic #LastGlacialMaximum
https://phys.org/news/2024-06-scientists-evidence-hot-oasis-ice.html

evidence of hot spring oasis during last ice age in central Europe #HotSprings #IceAge #palaeolithic #LastGlacialMaximum
https://phys.org/news/2024-06-scientists-evidence-hot-oasis-ice.html

@Sustainable2050 @gwagner

The new CO2 reconstruction for the last 65 Million years has put me in a sharing mood:
#NASA GISS E2.1-G (IPCC6 version) simulations for this range of CO2 values.
#Miocene #Eocene #LastGlacialMaximum #MidHolocene #Climate

@Sustainable2050 @gwagner

The new CO2 reconstruction for the last 65 Million years has put me in a sharing mood:
#NASA GISS E2.1-G (IPCC6 version) simulations for this range of CO2 values.
#Miocene #Eocene #LastGlacialMaximum #MidHolocene #Climate

@Sustainable2050 @gwagner

The new CO2 reconstruction for the last 65 Million years has put me in a sharing mood:
#NASA GISS E2.1-G (IPCC6 version) simulations for this range of CO2 values.
#Miocene #Eocene #LastGlacialMaximum #MidHolocene #Climate

@Sustainable2050 @gwagner

The new CO2 reconstruction for the last 65 Million years has put me in a sharing mood:
#NASA GISS E2.1-G (IPCC6 version) simulations for this range of CO2 values.
#Miocene #Eocene #LastGlacialMaximum #MidHolocene #Climate

@Sustainable2050 @gwagner

The new CO2 reconstruction for the last 65 Million years has put me in a sharing mood:
#NASA GISS E2.1-G (IPCC6 version) simulations for this range of CO2 values.
#Miocene #Eocene #LastGlacialMaximum #MidHolocene #Climate

More evidence that humans were in North America over 20,000 years ago - Enlarge / This illustration shows what the shore of ancient Lake Otero ... - https://arstechnica.com/?p=1973451 #indigenousnorthamerica #peoplingoftheamericas #indigenousamericans #lastglacialmaximum #archaeology #footprints #whitesands #ichnology #science

More evidence that humans were in North America over 20,000 years ago - Enlarge / This illustration shows what the shore of ancient Lake Otero ... - https://arstechnica.com/?p=1973451 #indigenousnorthamerica #peoplingoftheamericas #indigenousamericans #lastglacialmaximum #archaeology #footprints #whitesands #ichnology #science

More evidence that humans were in North America over 20,000 years ago - Enlarge / This illustration shows what the shore of ancient Lake Otero ... - https://arstechnica.com/?p=1973451 #indigenousnorthamerica #peoplingoftheamericas #indigenousamericans #lastglacialmaximum #archaeology #footprints #whitesands #ichnology #science

More evidence that humans were in North America over 20,000 years ago - Enlarge / This illustration shows what the shore of ancient Lake Otero ... - https://arstechnica.com/?p=1973451 #indigenousnorthamerica #peoplingoftheamericas #indigenousamericans #lastglacialmaximum #archaeology #footprints #whitesands #ichnology #science

More evidence that humans were in North America over 20,000 years ago - Enlarge / This illustration shows what the shore of ancient Lake Otero ... - https://arstechnica.com/?p=1973451 #indigenousnorthamerica #peoplingoftheamericas #indigenousamericans #lastglacialmaximum #archaeology #footprints #whitesands #ichnology #science

Ars Technica: More evidence that humans were in North America over 20,000 years ago https://arstechnica.com/?p=1973451 #Tech #arstechnica #IT #Technology #indigenousNorthAmerica #peoplingoftheamericas #indigenousamericans #lastglacialmaximum #Archaeology #footprints #whitesands #ichnology #Science #science

Ars Technica: More evidence that humans were in North America over 20,000 years ago https://arstechnica.com/?p=1973451 #Tech #arstechnica #IT #Technology #indigenousNorthAmerica #peoplingoftheamericas #indigenousamericans #lastglacialmaximum #Archaeology #footprints #whitesands #ichnology #Science #science

Ars Technica: More evidence that humans were in North America over 20,000 years ago https://arstechnica.com/?p=1973451 #Tech #arstechnica #IT #Technology #indigenousNorthAmerica #peoplingoftheamericas #indigenousamericans #lastglacialmaximum #Archaeology #footprints #whitesands #ichnology #Science #science

Ars Technica: More evidence that humans were in North America over 20,000 years ago https://arstechnica.com/?p=1973451 #Tech #arstechnica #IT #Technology #indigenousNorthAmerica #peoplingoftheamericas #indigenousamericans #lastglacialmaximum #Archaeology #footprints #whitesands #ichnology #Science #science

Prehistoric people occupied upland regions of inland Spain in even the coldest periods of the last Ice Age https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/1002879 #iberia #palaeolithic #LastGlacialMaximum