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In his column for the "Spiegel", former German national team captain Ilkay Gündogan expressed his frustration regarding the criticism leveled at national player... https://news.osna.fm/?p=51999 | #news #arguing #defends #gundogan #performance

Purity crusades lead nowhere good - even from the best intentions of delivering justice to the oppressed

As someone who’s combative and self-righteous myself, I get those folks, honestly. I could very easily be a crusader in their vein. The ever-ongoing escalation against those who think they can ‘get away’ with just a little bit of assistance towards bad causes? “Fuck them! They deserve nothing! Humiliate them, ostracize them, cast them out!” The voice of God in your head is overwhelmingly, and it feels good to do so, to beat back every little inkling of evil trying to worm its way into normality.

On the other hand, that’s exactly why I try to police my own worldview for that. I’m tetchy and still largely insufferable on politics on a personal level, but that level of insufferability and tetchiness is more… universal to my character, than particular to my political views. Wish I could say I’m working on it, but the truth is I’m just trying to make it through the next day at this point, lmao.

And the truth is, there is some point to that voice - tolerating things normalizes them. But if your idea is to tolerate no evil views in the people you talk with, you will very quickly end up in the same situation as religious monastics and hermits - or inquisitions. You have to pick which evils, and what intensity, are worth going nuclear on, instead of whiting out massive groups with a broad brush, unless you’re willing to do what monastics, hermits, and inquisitions do. And I would venture to say that… none of those are particularly good or moral choices.

Once you let that combative self-righteousness dictate how you see the world, everyone becomes an enemy, and that’s not productive, healthy, or moral. It becomes a self-feeding isolation, an ouroboros of purifying and intensifying hatred, and… honestly, my entire ideological journey has been away from that, save an acquired hatred for libertarians around 2017. I had a taste of that self-righteous spiral early on in coming-of-political-age, thrill and all, and I still didn’t like where it went. It’s not good for anyone.

At the end of the day, I get their core point, that there are some things that you have to draw the line on - the idea of total tolerance or total left unity is a pipedream; injustice to the oppressed. But at the same time, so is total purity and correctness.

At some point your worldview has to account for the fact that most people are just trying to keep their heads down and get by, and so are you. The notion of infinite heroism, of infinite struggle against injustice, infinite wisdom, infinite discernment of good and evil, feels good, but is incoherent, impossible, and itself, unjust. You have to see that people are capable of being wrong, even horrifically wrong, but not always fundamentally broken so much as just trying to keep themselves afloat in the horrific melange that is our upbringing, our lives, and our environments.

I’ll brawl with folk all day long over issues I think are important, and I think they’re distinctly wrong over. More than I should, honestly, and almost certainly more savagely than I should. I absolutely go bare-knuckles on every point I feel is important, and that… sometimes leads to asymmetric views, where I can view someone as “Good fellow, sometimes has bad views that need to be confronted without softballing the implications, but don’t we all?”, because what’s a little vicious disputation between gentlefolk and scholars? And they view me as “Insufferable foul-mouthed aggressive shithead”, not necessarily incorrectly, lmao.

But shutting out people entirely has to be dire, a matter of values - or at least information hygiene. Take the learning moments where you can. Most people may not be directly convinced by an argument or ten, but their trajectory can be shifted by exposure to more correct views.

And for that matter, we should hope ourselves to be shifted to more correct views wherever we may be wrong.

Purity crusades lead nowhere good - even from the best intentions of delivering justice to the oppressed

https://piefed.social/c/PLT/p/2001750/purity-crusades-lead-nowhere-good-even-from-the-best-intentions-of-delivering-justice-t

That was adorable the way she said it was inappropriate to touch her there 🥰
Who wants to see what their squabbling leads to?
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They say there's no point in arguing with people on the Internet, and I disagree; I'm not *just* #arguing with the random person whose post I've responded to, but putting thoughts out there for the people they may #influence with that post who don't think of the implications.
That said, I have *never* had a positive reaction to pointing out that someone's post is provably false, #propaganda or some version of myopic bias. 😞 Have you?

#politics #fallacies #society #communication #mlm #logic

They say there's no point in arguing with people on the Internet, and I disagree; I'm not *just* #arguing with the random person whose post I've responded to, but putting thoughts out there for the people they may #influence with that post who don't think of the implications.
That said, I have *never* had a positive reaction to pointing out that someone's post is provably false, #propaganda or some version of myopic bias. 😞 Have you?

#politics #fallacies #society #communication #mlm #logic

#Arguing with anonymous strangers on the #Internet is a sucker's game because they almost always turn out to be—or to be indistinguishable from—self-righteous sixteen-year-olds possessing infinite amounts of free time.

Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon

#quote #quotes #argument

#Arguing with anonymous strangers on the #Internet is a sucker's game because they almost always turn out to be—or to be indistinguishable from—self-righteous sixteen-year-olds possessing infinite amounts of free time.

Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon

#quote #quotes #argument

Volker Geyer, the president of the German civil servants' union (DBB), rejected the idea of adding state employees to the statutory pension scheme. "Including c... https://news.osna.fm/?p=35832 | #news #adding #arguing #benefit #chief

Trouble at t'mill... ...or the umbrella factory #photography #birds #RainbowLorikeets #UmbrellaTree #arguing #nature #wildlife #gift #EastCoastKin

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Oh, #the humanity! #Ploum 🥺 #warns #us #about #the #impending #doom #of #communication #becoming #just #another #episode #in #the #endless #binge #of #entertainment. #Meanwhile, #everyone #is #too #busy #arguing #about Pixelfed's #betrayal #to #notice #the Fediverse's #inevitable demise. 🚀💤
https://ploum.net/2025-12-15-communication-entertainment.html #Oh #humanity #demise

doom #communication #entertainment #Fediverse #Pixelfed #socialmedia #HackerNews #ngated

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#question #arguing #internet #animatedgif

when #people are #arguing against #socialism or #communism or frankly even, like, the #welfare state, they're always like "well no one is entitled to the product of my labor!" and ohhh maaaan are you ever going to be mad when you learn about #capitalism, then. ive got the biggest news for you about the #economic model under which you currently live. you might wanna sit down

when #people are #arguing against #socialism or #communism or frankly even, like, the #welfare state, they're always like "well no one is entitled to the product of my labor!" and ohhh maaaan are you ever going to be mad when you learn about #capitalism, then. ive got the biggest news for you about the #economic model under which you currently live. you might wanna sit down

this is it, this is all of it. By #arguing about things like healthcare (including abortion, narcan, insulin, transition care), queer rights, environmental racism, infrastructure, war--all of these things. What you're arguing about it what lives are worth saving.

The #answer is: All of them.

this is it, this is all of it. By #arguing about things like healthcare (including abortion, narcan, insulin, transition care), queer rights, environmental racism, infrastructure, war--all of these things. What you're arguing about it what lives are worth saving.

The #answer is: All of them.

"#people #arguing against #abolition saying "you #expect an unarmed person to deescalate someone with a gun?" and it's like we are #expected to literally do that right now only most of the people with guns who we have to deescalate are the #cops, like shut the fuck up"

https://www.tumblr.com/nando161mando/790057423348154368

"#people #arguing against #abolition saying "you #expect an unarmed person to deescalate someone with a gun?" and it's like we are #expected to literally do that right now only most of the people with guns who we have to deescalate are the #cops, like shut the fuck up"

https://www.tumblr.com/nando161mando/790057423348154368

• Conversational back-and-forth is a terrible format for resolving disagreements in good faith.
• Bullet points are helpful for making disagreements productive.

Sarah Constantin, 2019, https://srconstantin.github.io/2019/09/16/bullet-points.html

#clarity #argumentation #arguing #arguments #discussion #consensus #teamWork #facilitation

• Conversational back-and-forth is a terrible format for resolving disagreements in good faith.
• Bullet points are helpful for making disagreements productive.

Sarah Constantin, 2019, https://srconstantin.github.io/2019/09/16/bullet-points.html

#clarity #argumentation #arguing #arguments #discussion #consensus #teamWork #facilitation

Tuesday of the Seventh Week in Ordinary Time

Today’s readings

Arguing does nothing for our faith. Whether we are arguing about domestic or even trivial things with the people we should be loving, or arguing about something with a person on the internet we’ve never met, arguing is useless. Arguing closes us off to the truth and to the call to charity, so we should do everything we can to end it.

There’s been a lot of arguing in the Gospels these last couple of days. Yesterday, the disciples were arguing with the scribes when both groups found they were incapable of casting a demon out of a person who was ill. Today, we have the disciples arguing among themselves because they find they don’t understand Jesus’ message.

All of this arguing betrays a real lack of growth in faith among those disciples. They probably felt like, since they were in Jesus’ inner-circle, they should have the answers. And perhaps they should, but to their defense, they hadn’t received the Holy Spirit yet. In a real sense, they were still in formation, and they shouldn’t have been so afraid to ask Jesus for clarification.

Jesus’ lesson to them then comes from him putting a little child in their midst. Receive a child like this in my name, he tells them, and you receive me. What’s the point of that? Well, receiving a child in Jesus’ name is an act of service, because a child can do nothing but receive at that point in their life. So serving others in Jesus’ name is what brings us to the Father.

I think the take-away for us is that trying to be the smartest person in the room isn’t what shows that we are faithful people. Instead of arguing our point, we need to ask God to help us get the point. And we have to be ready to act on our faith, instead of arguing about it, laying down our lives in service to others.

#arguing #faith #service

Stop #Arguing with #Strangers #Online

https://cavemancircus.com/2024/12/13/why-arguing-with-strangers-on-the-internet-is-a-fools-errand/

How to Avoid #Arguing With #HighConflict People

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/5-types-of-people-who-can-ruin-your-life/202409/how-to-avoid-arguing-with-high-conflict-people

List The Ways You Hurt Me, And I'll List The Ways I Hurt You Too
It's not about keeping score. It's about taking aim.
https://ideatrash.net/2022/10/list-the-ways-you-hurt-me-and-ill-list-the-ways-i-hurt-you-too.html?feed_id=388&_unique_id=66f34d58411a5
#advice #arguing #brainweasel #communication #relationships

List The Ways You Hurt Me, And I'll List The Ways I Hurt You Too
It's not about keeping score. It's about taking aim.
https://ideatrash.net/2022/10/list-the-ways-you-hurt-me-and-ill-list-the-ways-i-hurt-you-too.html?feed_id=388&_unique_id=66f34d58411a5
#advice #arguing #brainweasel #communication #relationships

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https://www.wmur.com/article/closeup-lgbtq-athletes-youth-advocates/60422327

[Video] #NewHampshire #ChildAdvocate joins #debate over #bills involving #LGBTQ #youth

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Predictably, not everyone was happy for Gumbrell and her #win, with some of her #Transphobic #competitors #arguing that she had an #Unfair #advantage. Backlash to Gumbrell’s win comes amid a wave of #unscientific #antitrans sentiment in relation to #womenssports.

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https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/12/14/trans-woman-world-croquet-federation-champion/

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