#loomio — Public Fediverse posts

#ThoughtProvoker :blobhyperthink:

Back to promise and power of AP?
Sustainable #evolution, hmm, yes.
#Emergence, you say? Right, umm.. 🤷

#Fediverse-we-have vs. #ActivityPub, which is more powerful and #versatile ?

Lego Sets vs. Lego Blocks, which is more powerful and versatile?

View the video mentioned in the article about Emergent Complexity..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HqUYpGQIfs

Can you influence and steer emergence and evolution? Some people like me, with Social experience design think so. Another person is Richard D. Bartlett known from #Loomio who also is behind #Microsolidarity, which I was reminded of the other day. Have a look for yourself..

https://www.microsolidarity.cc

#SX #SocialCoding #SocialWeb

Anyone keen to join a working group experimenting with a Hypermedia-Driven Architecture approach by applying it to an existing web app, Loomio, under the auspices of the Open App Ecosystem community?

https://www.loomio.com/d/VYPyO17M/building-interactive-websites-in-a-post-framework-web/3

@daz would you be willing to mentor such a group, given your excellent primer was my introduction to HDA?

https://hda.daz.is/architecture/

#HDA #OAE #OpenAppEcosystem #Loomio

#ThoughtProvoker 🤔

There are interesting paradigm shifts possible today, which result in great opportunities to break the browser oligopoly, and SaaS + cloud vendor hegemony of Web 2.0 with its Rube Goldberg technology stack.

@strypey referred to one of them, in a post to the Open App Ecosystem community group on #Loomio: The #hypermedia #web.

Since my hobby (it doesn't earn income yet) involves elaborating #SX methodology as a Social experience designer, I thought it interesting to add my follow-up from that perspective..

https://www.loomio.com/d/VYPyO17M/building-interactive-websites-in-a-post-framework-web/13

#SocialCoding #SocialExperienceDesign #SocialWeb #fediverse

Any Open App Ecosystem members who don't login to Loomio very often or allow it to send email notifications for new polls in the OAE group? I've started a sense check on the question of whether there's any interest in forming a subgroup to experiment with building a Hypermedia-Driven Architecture version of Loomio;

https://www.loomio.com/d/VYPyO17M/building-interactive-websites-in-a-post-framework-web/3

I'd love to know your honest opinions on this, whatever they might be.

#OAE #OpenAppEcosystem #Loomio

Seems Loomio.com no longer allows even public groups and discussions to be viewed by someone who isn't logged in (at least for me on LibreWolf /Fedora). Which means the public consultation on NZGOAL-SE;

https://www.loomio.org/g/NohQxyr9/nzgoal-software-extension-discussion-of-draft

... linked here;

https://www.data.govt.nz/toolkit/policies/nzgoal/nzgoal-se

Can't be viewed by any member of the public without a Loomio account, as it originally could be.

Is this due to a bug, or to commercially-motivated enshittification?

#Loomio #NZGOALSE

Loomio the collaborative decision making tool REALLY needs a mobile app.

Im in communities where some members dont even own a laptop/desktop and these folks arent just mobile first they are mobile only.

Also, NOT having a mobile app is causing exclusionary dynamics as people miss being involved; and then rightly so, push to move away from the tool.

I've made a *pretty crappy* pitch for this in the loomio github issues.

If you care about this also, you can read what I said and add your own thoughts here..

https://github.com/loomio/loomio/issues/12189

Dont know what loomio is?
Here: https://www.loomio.com

#loomio #digitalInclusion #DigitalJustice #CollaborativeDecisionMaking #FOSS

“'Discussion' is clearer, more intuitive language, and makes it easier to explain how Loomio works without the awkwardness of the word 'thread'. For example, without this change, the previous paragraph would have read: Loomio works best when you start with a thread."

@robguthrie, 2025

https://www.loomio.com/blog/2025/10/25/terminology-update/

I think these are good changes. I haven't been using Loomio as much since I started doing most of my online activity on mobile devices. Maybe it's time to get back into it.

#Loomio #UX

@Tutanota and here I was happily emailing people on #Thunderbird and making designs on #Penpot and #Inkscape to share via #XMPP, at which point I remembered to catch up on discussions on #Loomio, and got roped into drafting a manifesto on #Cryptpad, all while blissfully unaware of the chaos going on until I opened #Newsflash and read about it all on the #RSS feeds that I synchronise via #NextCloud, at which point I decided to head over to talk about it with the world thanks to #ActivityPub!

Our #Inktober for Day 3 has a very simple message from our #XMPP project: community rules! 👑️

Thanks to the #Loomio decision-making platform for enabling us to manage community discussions, votes, and polls, and the Free Software Community of India (#FSCI) for hosting the instance #Codema that we use for it 🗳️

Art by @badrihippo 🎨️

#Prav #Inktober2025 #Crown

Dal tecnocivismo alla cittadinanza digitale

https://rizomatica.noblogs.org/2025/02/dal-tecnocivismo-alla-cittadinanza-digitale/

Piattaforme e partecipazione.

di M. Minetti
Considerata la perfetta concordanza con la tematica del numero #7 di Rizomatica, abbiamo ritenuto

#Politica #Rizoma #Strumenti #Tecnopolitica #7 #DeCindio #decisionalit #democrazia #deseriis #ignazi #intermediazione #LiqueedFeedback #loomio #partecipazione #partiti #PD #piattaforme #PotereAlPopolo #statuto

Dal tecnocivismo alla cittadinanza digitale

https://rizomatica.noblogs.org/2025/02/dal-tecnocivismo-alla-cittadinanza-digitale/

Piattaforme e partecipazione.

di M. Minetti
Considerata la perfetta concordanza con la tematica del numero #7 di Rizomatica, abbiamo ritenuto

#Politica #Rizoma #Strumenti #Tecnopolitica #7 #DeCindio #decisionalit #democrazia #deseriis #ignazi #intermediazione #LiqueedFeedback #loomio #partecipazione #partiti #PD #piattaforme #PotereAlPopolo #statuto

Dal tecnocivismo alla cittadinanza digitale

https://rizomatica.noblogs.org/2025/02/dal-tecnocivismo-alla-cittadinanza-digitale/

Piattaforme e partecipazione.

di M. Minetti
Considerata la perfetta concordanza con la tematica del numero #7 di Rizomatica, abbiamo ritenuto

#Politica #Rizoma #Strumenti #Tecnopolitica #7 #DeCindio #decisionalit #democrazia #deseriis #ignazi #intermediazione #LiqueedFeedback #loomio #partecipazione #partiti #PD #piattaforme #PotereAlPopolo #statuto

Dal tecnocivismo alla cittadinanza digitale

https://rizomatica.noblogs.org/2025/02/dal-tecnocivismo-alla-cittadinanza-digitale/

Piattaforme e partecipazione.

di M. Minetti
Considerata la perfetta concordanza con la tematica del numero #7 di Rizomatica, abbiamo ritenuto

#Politica #Rizoma #Strumenti #Tecnopolitica #7 #DeCindio #decisionalit #democrazia #deseriis #ignazi #intermediazione #LiqueedFeedback #loomio #partecipazione #partiti #PD #piattaforme #PotereAlPopolo #statuto

Dal tecnocivismo alla cittadinanza digitale

https://rizomatica.noblogs.org/2025/02/dal-tecnocivismo-alla-cittadinanza-digitale/

Piattaforme e partecipazione.

di M. Minetti
Considerata la perfetta concordanza con la tematica del numero #7 di Rizomatica, abbiamo ritenuto

#Politica #Rizoma #Strumenti #Tecnopolitica #7 #DeCindio #decisionalit #democrazia #deseriis #ignazi #intermediazione #LiqueedFeedback #loomio #partecipazione #partiti #PD #piattaforme #PotereAlPopolo #statuto

Dal tecnocivismo alla cittadinanza digitale

https://rizomatica.noblogs.org/2025/02/dal-tecnocivismo-alla-cittadinanza-digitale/

Piattaforme e partecipazione

di M. Minetti
Considerata la perfetta concordanza con la tematica del numero #7 di Rizomatica, abbiamo ritenuto u

#Politica #Rizoma #Strumenti #Tecnopolitica #7 #DeCindio #decisionalit #democrazia #deseriis #ignazi #intermediazione #LiqueedFeedback #loomio #partecipazione #partiti #PD #piattaforme #PotereAlPopolo #statuto

Dal tecnocivismo alla cittadinanza digitale

https://rizomatica.noblogs.org/2025/02/dal-tecnocivismo-alla-cittadinanza-digitale/

Piattaforme e partecipazione

di M. Minetti
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Dal tecnocivismo alla cittadinanza digitale

https://rizomatica.noblogs.org/2025/02/dal-tecnocivismo-alla-cittadinanza-digitale/

Piattaforme e partecipazione

di M. Minetti
Considerata la perfetta concordanza con la tematica del numero #7 di Rizomatica, abbiamo ritenuto u

#Politica #Rizoma #Strumenti #Tecnopolitica #7 #DeCindio #decisionalit #democrazia #deseriis #ignazi #intermediazione #LiqueedFeedback #loomio #partecipazione #partiti #PD #piattaforme #PotereAlPopolo #statuto

Dal tecnocivismo alla cittadinanza digitale

https://rizomatica.noblogs.org/2025/02/dal-tecnocivismo-alla-cittadinanza-digitale/

Piattaforme e partecipazione

di M. Minetti
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Dal tecnocivismo alla cittadinanza digitale

https://rizomatica.noblogs.org/2025/02/dal-tecnocivismo-alla-cittadinanza-digitale/

Piattaforme e partecipazione

di M. Minetti
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#Politica #Rizoma #Strumenti #Tecnopolitica #7 #DeCindio #decisionalit #democrazia #deseriis #ignazi #intermediazione #LiqueedFeedback #loomio #partecipazione #partiti #PD #piattaforme #PotereAlPopolo #statuto

@ju

Jakiś czas temu używaliśmy #Loomio -> https://www.loomio.com

Ma opcję głosowań anonimowych:
https://help.loomio.com/en/user_manual/polls/starting_proposals/index.html

Selfhosting (open source) albo ich cloud, mają serwery w EU.
14 dniowy trial, jak chcesz sprawdzić.

Bardzo popularne oprogramowanie.

Another service we maintain - https://codema.in needs to renew its domain as well. Anyone likes to sponsor the domain rewal cost of 800 INR ?

codema.in is an instance of loomio collaborative decision making tool used by @fsci , @prav , @piratesin #debphoshfund etc and open for other communities to join. It comes with many kinds of polls integrated into a forum like interface.

#FreeSoftware #democracy #collaboration #codema #loomio

@admin Connaissez-vous une instance #Mastodon gérée par des membres francophones ou des personnes localisées en France, dont le financement et la gouvernance s'inspirent de celle de "social.coop" (https://social.coop/ #SocialCoop) ?

Autrement dit, une instance financée par ses utilisateurs, avec un financement transparent via #OpenCollective et des décisions prises collectivement sur #Loomio

@ntnsndr Do you know a Mastodon #instance managed by #French members whose financing and governance are inspired by that of “social.coop” (#SocialCoop) ?

In other words, an instance funded by its users, with transparent financing via #OpenCollective and decisions taken collectively on #Loomio

@GerryT @praveen It's a #Loomio instance https://github.com/loomio/loomio

My #coop has a really hard time meeting in person, or even online, because people's schedules are so crowded. Has anyone used #Loomio in similar circumstance? How has it gone?

“Fostering deliberation would require platforms that encourage long-term and in-depth interaction with arguments and less 'communicative plenty'“

@ManuelBiertz

https://algorithmwatch.org/en/mastodon-public-sphere/

Fair comment. I do find that conversations on Discourse forums or Loomio groups are more likely to go deep, and lead to covergent outcomes, then even the most constructive chats here. I haven't used Pol.is, but I've read impressive things about its by #g0v for vTaiwan.

#Discourse #Loomio #deliberation #vTaiwan

The discussion on limiting threads.net has now spawned a discussion about limiting #Loomio threads.

I am not making this up!

I am however being very misleading in my presentation 😉

https://www.loomio.com/d/TvlY4wPJ/discussion-appropriate-length-for-loomio-threads

Really cool to have close to 100 people already voting on the #SocialCoop instance policy vis-a-vis Threads. We use #Loomio for these kinds of decisions. There's always room for improvement, but I'm just glad we have participatory processes for policies that affect all users of the server.

@silentashes
thanks for sharing your feedback!
I think we are on the same page. While our instance is in our bootstrapping phase, we chose discord for backend communication because some of us were familiar with setting up a community server and it was easy to manage things there while we figured out what would be our within-instance communication strategy after our processes (governance, rules, CoC) were fairly established.

We currently self-host our decision making system #loomio (https://www.loomio.com/) which is #FLOSS under #AGPL license (https://github.com/loomio/loomio)

We have been discussing how to avoid having to use too many platforms (and having to create different accounts for each) to cooperatively govern the instance because those can become bottlenecks for instance-level participation in important discussions. We are discussing a way to self-host our own forum #lemmy (relevant thread: https://neuromatch.social/@manisha/110641946898243726) but we are volunteers and so our progress has been according to our limited bandwidths (we are trying to get funding though, so pointers to funding sources would be appreciated -- other than the crowd-sourcing ones like OpenCollective, Patreon, etc, we are aware that several #MastoAdmin use that). And how fast we make progress also depends on how much support we can get from other volunteers from our #neuromatchstodon instance to help out with this stuff.

We are slowly but surely working towards using open-source tools and self-hosting and making it easier for instance members to participate in discussions (which is why we let them know to reply to our OP here if they don't want to go to discord).

We currently run a fork of #glitch which allows local-only posts. I had tested that but there was a tiny bug there (e.g. https://neuromatch.social/@manisha/109753892418948128) that I haven't had the time to look into. But that's another option worth considering for instance-only discussions with caveats like this -> replies to local-only posts can become public and then the thread may seem weird for those who can't see the OP.

Given the cooperative structure that we are establishing, we will likely not move to #DiscourseSoftware if we can't have all of our instance member switch there easily (but I don't know the details fully so this is just going off of what you mentioned)

Thank you for pointing us to #Mobilizon. Have you tried it or know someone who has? I'd love to hear how the experience has been there, especially if it uses #ActivityPub

sorry for this #LongPost :)

cc @socialwg

For lack of an obvious means to automate it with #Loomio, I decided to ask people to start comments with "Block" in case they wish to block, and if that happens, we calculate the results manually.

Bylaws > Software

I'm trying to figure out a procedural question, which involves #Loomio . I had a list of options for a ranked choice vote. However, the bylaws for #SocialCoop require a block option, and that is weighted much more heavily than a regular vote. I'm not sure how to handle that in a ranked choice vote.

@esther @momentum

I forgot about #loomio https://www.loomio.com/

#OpenSource #CommunityManagement

Wczorajsza dyskusja o tym, jakie narzędzie #Fediwersum/#OpenSource może zastąpić grupy FB (https://101010.pl/@otwartezrodlo/109944483234036270) uświadomiła mi, że najważniejszym pytaniem na samym początku nie są sprawy techniczne (funkcjonalność, dojrzałość, dostępność itd.), ale... jakie potrzeby mają realizować ludzie za pomocą tego narzędzia. To od tego pytania powinno się zacząć, mówiąc o alternatywach do Facebooka.

Bo jakie potrzeby ludzie załatwiają za pomocą FB? Oprócz oczywistych, skupię się na tych najważniejszych:
- potrzeba przynależności
- potrzeba akceptacji
- potrzeba uznania, docenienia
- potrzeba stymulacji, pobudzenia
- potrzeba wspólnoty, więzi
- potrzeba uwagi, bycia zauważanym
- potrzeba współpracy
- potrzeba partnerstwa
- potrzeba szczerości
- potrzeba opieki
- potrzeba zabawy, humoru
- potrzeba inspiracji
- potrzeba ...

Grupy FB, jako konkretny kanał komunikacji, załatwiają ludziom któreś z tych potrzeb (każdemu trochę inne). Myśląc o zastąpieniu grup FB jakimś narzędziem #Fedi/#FOSS, warto zdecydować, które z tych potrzeb chcemy zapewniać w największym stopniu. Inne #potrzeby zapewni #forum internetowe #Discourse, inne czat #Matrix, a inne #Mastodon czy Friendica, a inne #Nextcloud.

Czyli trzeba zacząć od rozmów z ludźmi o tym, czego potrzebują. Wtedy - bazując na swojej wiedzy o narzędziach internetowych - można dobrać najtrafniejsze narzędzie.

To oczywiste - ale potrzebowałem parę godzin refleksji, żeby do tego dojść! 😎

#Facebook #bezFecebooka - #Hometown #Glitchsoc #Calckey #Misskey #Friendica #Bonfire #Hubzilla #Soapbox #Loomio #Mobilizon #GroupsIO #Framalistes #FramaSoft

Wczorajsza dyskusja o tym, jakie narzędzie #Fediwersum/#OpenSource może zastąpić grupy FB (https://101010.pl/@otwartezrodlo/109944483234036270) uświadomiła mi, że najważniejszym pytaniem na samym początku nie są sprawy techniczne (funkcjonalność, dojrzałość, dostępność itd.), ale... jakie potrzeby mają realizować ludzie za pomocą tego narzędzia. To od tego pytania powinno się zacząć, mówiąc o alternatywach do Facebooka.

Bo jakie potrzeby ludzie załatwiają za pomocą FB? Oprócz oczywistych, skupię się na tych najważniejszych:
- potrzeba przynależności
- potrzeba akceptacji
- potrzeba uznania, docenienia
- potrzeba stymulacji, pobudzenia
- potrzeba wspólnoty, więzi
- potrzeba uwagi, bycia zauważanym
- potrzeba współpracy
- potrzeba partnerstwa
- potrzeba szczerości
- potrzeba opieki
- potrzeba zabawy, humoru
- potrzeba inspiracji
- potrzeba ...

Grupy FB, jako konkretny kanał komunikacji, załatwiają ludziom któreś z tych potrzeb (każdemu trochę inne). Myśląc o zastąpieniu grup FB jakimś narzędziem #Fedi/#FOSS, warto zdecydować, które z tych potrzeb chcemy zapewniać w największym stopniu. Inne #potrzeby zapewni #forum internetowe #Discourse, inne czat #Matrix, a inne #Mastodon czy Friendica, a inne #Nextcloud.

Czyli trzeba zacząć od rozmów z ludźmi o tym, czego potrzebują. Wtedy - bazując na swojej wiedzy o narzędziach internetowych - można dobrać najtrafniejsze narzędzie.

To oczywiste - ale potrzebowałem parę godzin refleksji, żeby do tego dojść! 😎

#Facebook #bezFecebooka - #Hometown #Glitchsoc #Calckey #Misskey #Friendica #Bonfire #Hubzilla #Soapbox #Loomio #Mobilizon #GroupsIO #Framalistes #FramaSoft

It turns out I already had an account on #Loomio.com since 2017 due to #ECA and I had completely forgotten.
https://www.loomio.com/g/jbDtJvTA/european-commons-assembly

Tomorrow there's #DecentSocial so here I come.
https://www.loomio.com/socialcoop-2023-gathering-of-cooperative-democratic-instances/

(I'll keep being indecent, though hopefully not indecente. Sorry to disappoint from the start.)

@richdecibels Great Interview - thanks! <3

You mention that there was/is no alternative software systems for decision making except #loomio. As I remember it, #adhocracy and #LiquidFeedback tried to tackle similar challenges. Do you have an opinion on #LiquidDemocracy?

"A simple guide to consultative decision making on & off Loomio"

https://help.loomio.org/en/guides/advice_process/

#consulation #deliberation #consensus #Loomio

I was too busy live-posting here or scratching down notes to notice, but my wife was fascinated to watch the way #Slido was being used at #Netizen21. A lot of the audience were using it during the talks to share their thoughts about what the speakers were talking about, and upvoting each others' comments. This is similar to the way I imagined #Loomio being used at #OpenSourceOpenSociety back in 2015. Except that Loomio would make it easier to keep those conversations going after the event.

@clacke that was my first reaction too. But then I have to remind myself that I have the privilege of more than 20 years of mistakes and mentorship to draw on. Unless one happens to know someone who is already active in our social space, it's still hard to learn about #SoftwareFreedom, managing #PeerProduction and #FederatedNetworks well, using #PlatformCooperatives and decison-making platforms (eg #Loomio) to avoid hierarchy creeping in etc. Let alone find existing projects in a given domain.

@z428 I think we're talking past each other. I'm objecting to web ads and tracking. I have no problem with charging users for premium services, like #Pinboard.in, the new #FlickR, #Loomio, and so on. Also Vulture Capitalists are the people who use capital as a tool to extract value from online service companies, as described by #DougRushkoff in his #ThrowingRocks book, not the people running the services.
@pootz

@bhaugen yeah, I remember that from when I brought up federated social networks on the #CommonsTransition group on #Loomio ;-) I can see the value of a group like #P2PF having a token "presence" there, to make them discoverable from those outside the choir. But it seems odd to hold their main forum discussions in a FB group, instead of on Loomio or some self-hosted forum system.
@ebel

The is a great piece by Rich Bartlett of #Enspiral, #Loomio, and #TheHub, talking about the advantages of federations of small groups, over networks of loosely connected individuals:
http://organizationunbound.org/expressive-change/build-a-network-of-small-groups-not-a-mass-movement-of-individuals/

It's reasons like these I encourage community-hosting more than self-hosting. Note: I'm not against self-hosting, for those who have the skills and motivation to set up and maintain it, it's just not my ideal that everyone self-hosts.

#EdgeRyders have been granted 100,000 Euros for #FreeCode software development to benefit artists and the especially the organization of artistic communities. I hear some of this will involve doing integrations with #Loomio. Any developers out there keen to get involved?
https://edgeryders.eu/t/particip-io-software-for-participatory-culture/8928?u=hugi

You rang? @sullybiker @nolan
I've been banging on about #JoeEdelman's talks about #TimeWellSpent, and #AralBalkan's awesome talk about shitting unicorns (https://2017.ind.ie/excuse-me/). The theory that corporate platforms are dumb maximizers because *corporations* are dumb maximizers ("growth is good!") makes sense to me. Just another example of #ConwaysLaw. To change this, we need to change our organizational culture. Which is why I keep pimping #Loomio and #Enspiral as models

Rich from #Loomio interviewed by #DougRushkoff. Some good background about where Loomio came from and some great insights about how practical consensus decison-making works
http://teamhuman.fm/episodes/ep-41-richard-d-bartlett-there-is-no-enemy-team/