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👅 Meta won’t let you block its AI account on Threads 👅

https://www.theverge.com/tech/929091/meta-ai-threads-account-block

#threads #threadsnews #meta #metaai #ainews #tech #technews #socialmedia #socialnetworks #metablock #ai

Parece que #threads empieza a federar
En cuanto pueda y tenga claro cómo hacerlo esta instancia no federará con nada relacionado con #meta
No escapé en su día de ellos para ahora abrirles las puertas de mi casa
#metablock

#Meme #FediPact #Meta #MetaBlock #YouWouldntStealACar

Seeing as Threads is testing ActivityPub integration, I thought I'd re-share this thread on how users, mods and admins (at least on Mastodon servers anyway) can block Threads traffic at both the individual user and firewall levels:

https://mastodon.moule.world/@MOULE/110586343942660169

It's important to block threads.net because of Meta's lack of care for privacy, plus the traffic from many Threads users will overwhelm smaller Fediverse instances.

#Threads #Meta #Fediverse #ActivityPub #Fedi #MetaBlock #Zuckerberg #Zuck

@schwedenpete wie stehen denn die Trötcafe Admins zu #MetaBlock?

Stavo leggendo questo thread (l'ironia! Mi sento defraudato del termine) di @gubi:

https://livellosegreto.it/@gubi@sociale.network/110695642383482260

ora, nei giorni scorsi ho visto dichiarazioni di admin che mi sembrano più o meno tuttə concordɜ nell'isolare la nuova creatura di Zuck nei fediversici lidi

siccome non ho approfondito a dovere, c'è qualche post da blog che riassume tutto, compresi i rischi che potrebbero subentrare?

Chessò: se mastodon.social non bloccasse #threads, inquinerebbe il pozzo a tutti?

#metaBlock

AVVISO: come responsabile di sociale.network, non accetto di rendere ogni membro della community un utile idiota che alimenta con i suoi contenuti una azienda che ha sulla coscienza brexit, suprematismo bianco, propaganda russa e genocidio in Birmania. E non accetto che il colonialismo parassitario di aziende come #Meta possa filtrare i nostri contenuti per mostrare quelli che generano più bisticci e revenues, sovraccaricando i nostri server per riempire le loro tasche. #metablock #sntutorial

#MetaBlock

Daily Check Running! #Fediblock #Metablock #Fedipact.
The complete list of tracked domains can be found at https://gitlab.com/J4YC33/metablock/-/blob/main/Meta.txt.

Kbin Cafe's stance on blocking meta's new threads app: https://kbin.cafe/m/CafeMeta/t/14984/On-Blocking-Meta-s-New-Threads-App
#FediBlock #Meta #MetaBlock #KbinCafe #Kbin #threadiverse #Lemmy

Daily Check Running! #Fediblock #Metablock #Fedipact.
The complete list of tracked domains can be found at https://gitlab.com/J4YC33/metablock/-/blob/main/Meta.txt.

My personal federation policy regarding #Facebook / #Meta / #Instagram's #Threads and any Fediverse instances federating with it

Based on @Gargron's article here https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2023/07/what-to-know-about-threads/ Threads does not presently federate with the Fediverse though it is based on the #ActivityPub protocol. In this sense it's much like other well-known freestanding-but-unfederated AP-based instances rhyming with "blab" and "ruth". In sundry and divers manners...

When Threads does begin federation, and as other Fediverse instances federate with it, my personal policy will be to block both Threads and federating instances at the instance level. As a follower of mine, this means that you will be blocked if your instance federates.

You may wish to explore migration options to instances which have pledged to #FediblockMeta / #Metablock Threads preemptively.

(Toot.cat is one such instance.)

I will reverse the block if the instance itself blocks Threads, as I become aware of this. (I anticipate significant frictions here. Preemptive blocks are strongly encouraged to avoid any possible misunderstanding and disruption.)

I also strongly encourage other individual Fediverse members to adopt a similar personal policy.

As the Threads issue develops ...

I'll be seeking out, or maintaining myself, a canonical, or even reasonably complete, listing of Fediverse instances which are federating with #threads

And Imma start some personal blocking Real Soon Now.

(And yes, if you're amongst my followers on #MastodonSocial or other instances I'm aware are federating with Meta, you're going to be #Metablock'ed shortly.)

I'll post further updates as replies to this toot.

(Redrafted from an earlier toot Because Reasons.)

#Administrivia

Meta Threads
Is it really necessary to block all meta domains, isn’t threads.net suffisant ?

#threads #metablock

Daily Check Running! #Fediblock #Metablock #Fedipact.
The complete list of tracked domains can be found at https://gitlab.com/J4YC33/metablock/-/blob/main/Meta.txt.

Good morning to the #Fediverse and the community of Sociale.network.

I'm planning to add to our blocklist all the IP and subnets registered by AS32934 - AS63293 - AS34825 - AS54115 - AS149642 -> Facebook

See

https://whois.ipip.net/search/FACEBOOK

This will preserve our community from the abusive corporate policies of a company who's monetizing our digital interactions with others, even if this means profiling users and monetizing hate speech fostering violence IRL.

#sntutorial #metablock

Is there a handy list of medium to large Mastodon instances that won't federate with Meta/Threads.net?

I know about https://fedipact.online/, but that looks to be a huge list of emails for tiny instances. I'd like to be on an instance with at least a few thousand users.

#metablock

On my side I signed https://fedipact.online/ because:

- Our community won't cooperate with #Meta, an evil company monetizing hate speech, used as an effective tool for UK nationalism, US white supremacism, Russian propaganda and genocide in Burma

- It's my duty to protect us against the abuses of a huge and poorly moderated community where cyber bullying and verbal violence are tolerated and monetized

- We won't serve corporate interests with our servers, time and money

#metablock #sntutorial

#metablock: I won't cut out the community served by @Gargron even if he will keep a federation with #Meta because:

I respect other admins' freedom of choice

I won't punish thousands because of the choices of few

I am not the moral judge of other admins and communities

I want to preserve as much as possible the integrity of fediverse

Defederation is a last resource for generalised and systematic sociopathic behaviours of hostile communities with non-cooperative admins. Just like #Meta.

Another cool resource for #Fediverse admins to #FediBlock #Meta's IP addresses! :NoMeta: #MetaBlock https://pad.liberta.vip/p/fediblockmeta

#MetaBlock

For #Fediverse server admins: #iptables commands to block inbound (loads of #Threads users) & outbound traffic (like data mining) from Meta's IP addresses: https://pastebin.com/eB4shL1R

Sources:
1. https://ipinfo.io/AS32934
2. https://bgp.he.net/AS32934#_prefixes
3. https://burrow.rabbits-at.work/media/24c3c118bf8a0d683de9179738ca3453c14372ebc85911bd29a99937b85b5288.txt

For users, mods, admins: Importable #blocklist of #Meta domains: https://pastebin.com/ZEM3GgZu

Sources:
1. https://gitea.whitespashe.uk/Whitespashe/MetaDomains/src/branch/main/
2. https://datakra.sh/assets/lizard.txt

#FediBlock #FediPact #FediAdmin #MastoAdmin

@dznz On the #metablock #fediblockmeta thing, I think there's something people often get wrong, perhaps because they have never seen a large org from the inside or perhaps because they prefer to see the world in black or white moral terms. The thing about #Meta is that it's a huge company with lots of different people with different agendas. It does not and cannot act as a monolith. I have no love for nor account at FB, I'm just saying black/white thinking isn't productive here. Look at actions.

@StormyDragon You ask:

what is protecting those users from the numerous unknown instances that are already here from doing whatever it is Meta is going to do?

Batshit. Insane. Gobs. Of. Wealth.

Facebook is scale at scales the mind simply boggles at.

• 3 billion monthly average users (MAU).

• 5 billion items posted per day. That's about 60,000 per second.

• A market capitalisation (after a couple of bad years, I'll add), of three quarters of a trillion dollars.

Compared to its home state of California, that's a wealth of $19,000 per person in the state which Facebook can leverage to do its bidding. Facebook bought WhatsApp, then making a loss on $10m in sales, for $19 billion, largely cash. Keep in mind that the typical US household would struggle to meet an unexpected $400 expense. Facebook's price was more than $400 per resident of California, which is to say, Facebook's buying power is comparable to that of the wealthiest state in the United States.

Yes, there are threats that small instances may pose to the Fediverse. Yes, there are privacy and surveillance issues I've long been aware of and have warned against, as have others (see @alex particularly, who ... has greater pedigree than I do in this space). But those instances don't have access to Facebook's resources, combined with Facebook's nearly-twenty-year record of abusing its dumb fucks, excuse me, users, and violating condition after condition after condition regulators have imposed upon it.

#Facebook #Meta #Metablock #ItsTheMotherfuckingScaleStupid #Scale #FuckZuck #FuckFacebook #P92 #Project92 #BarcelonaProject

@jadedfox

#meta could be a threat for the #fediverse

With the codename #project92 or #barcelona , #meta launches a new project soon and nobody could care less than people who already freed themselves from big corps, but rumors exist that it might use the #activitypub protocol, which would make it a part of the fediverse.

Over night, one of the biggest data collectors on this planet, will own the biggest fediverse instance and will have access to a lot of data, which wasn't collected before, because not many people used the fediverse. But after Elon Musk showed his real face after taking over #twitter and the many problems on #reddit , a lot of people are leaving conventional platforms of multi-(m/b)illion-dollar companies and use tools from the fediverse. This is new, because in general, people would just go to another big corp and nothing changes.

This time the people are going to a place, which is controlled by the people. There are instances and every instance has it's own code of conduct. A place where no multi-(m/b)illion-dollar company can make money (yet) or is in control of anything.

History showed, that big corps could harm or destroy #foss (free and open source software), where the maintainers had ethical values, like Firefox trying to be privacy friendly. Since #google (#alphabet) made huge donations to #mozilla the browser is privacy invasive and it took years until a fork was able to remove all of it to make it a privacy friendly browser again.

In the 1990s, Microsoft had a strategy called "embrace, extend and exterminate" (#doctorwho reference not intended) to destroy competitors.

It could look like this:

- Embrace: Develop software compatible with the fediverse
- Extend: Add features to the world biggest instance which is not supported by other instances (e.g. closed source, pay wall)
- Exterminate: All other instances are worthless if federation doesn't work anymore with the biggest instance after an update

The code of #mastodon and other fediverse tools could be changed, so that smaller or even all other instances could be excluded, it couldn't be solved by a single fork this time, because we would need a fediverse 2.0 so all the forks can communicate with each other again, after removing shitty code hindering federation.

Another problem might be to convince people to leave the "invected fediverse 1.0" (which became a centralized platform) and come to "fediverse 2.0" (which is like the fediverse once was), because it's already hard enough to tell them to leave #whatsapp (or similar software) for a better alternative. Imagine they already left the bad thing, but then we tell them to leave the current system, too. I am not a pessimist, but at this point the big corp might win.

We could be strong and ban metas instance on any free instance, which is still able to make their own decisions. This could trigger the third huge wave of people willing to use something new (and free, like in free speech) or we could act like it's a friendly act of a big corp, which doesn't have financial interest at all and it's just cool to be connected with more people and everything will be fine. No offense, but this sounds really naive, because the wet dream of big corps is a totalitarian system, where they are in control of everything, watching every step of every person and not living in a free and democratic world where the people are in control of their own lives.

Big corps influence elections, the party you are voting and whole countries. Don't underestimate them and don't think their actions are good.

We should hope that the maintainers of mastodon and other fediverse tools (or activitiypub in general) are not capitalists, who throw away their values, and the reason why they started those projects, over board for money. But there is a lot of money to make, so the pile of money will be huge and it will be hard to say no.

The #fedipact isn't strict enough imho. The fediverse is like emails. If you want your emails not be scanned/slaughtered and your data sold to shady people/companies, you better not write important stuff to people who own a #gmail #hotmail #outlook #gmx #yahoo etc. address. With the fediverse it's a little bit different. Even the instances which aren't owned by meta could be a threat, because there is an access to the federated data. Instances that do not block meta should be blocked, too.

If you think I am polemic, please think about why a multi-(m/b)illion-dollar company wants to join the fediverse? Are they afraid of something, if yes, we shouldn't come closer, because powerful predators will attack if they are afraid. If the big corp is not afraid, the only other way is that they might slaughter the fediverse to get control and get richer.

In short: We build something very fragile like a sand castle and meta will be the bully destroying it.

The solution: Block meta as soon as their domains are known.

Addition: There are even rumors that admins of huge instances are getting paid to not block, but even advertise metas instance and they had to sign an #nda

#fediblock #blockmeta #metablock #facebook #p92 #barcelonaproject #fedipact #fediblockmeta #threads

@finner I've addressed the why at length in an earlier toot: https://toot.cat/@dredmorbius/110567869250237510. TL;DR: Manifest trust failure at the greatest possible level and significance.

The how is another question, though my point above suggests at least one evident option: increase the costs above Facebook's value threshold.

Simply being told "you are not welcome here" is one prospect, and should give ... some pause.

Defederation means that FB would be in much the position Gab was earlier: it's running the protocol, but not interfacing with the network.

Fediverse instances might respond to all FB content with an invitation to leave FB and join the Fediverse proper. This is one of several sabotage / response concepts which suggest themselves.

Fediverse instance could attack revenue streams, most critically advertising, in some way. How this might be done isn't clear, but FB-based brand channels would likely be sensitive to this.

Mastodon devs could gaslight FB with false leads, slow responses, and more. (Possibly challenging on a FOSS project, but ... not impossible.)

It's time to put on your Simple Sabotage Field Manual hat, peeps. https://www.cia.gov/news-information/featured-story-archive/2012-featured-story-archive/CleanedUOSSSimpleSabotage_sm.pdf (PDF)

#Sabotage #Factbook #Meta #metablock #p92 #Project92 #FuckFacebook #Zuckerberg #MarkZuckerberg #FuckTheZuck

@finner I've addressed the why at length in an earlier toot: https://toot.cat/@dredmorbius/110567869250237510. TL;DR: Manifest trust failure at the greatest possible level and significance.

The how is another question, though my point above suggests at least one evident option: increase the costs above Facebook's value threshold.

Simply being told "you are not welcome here" is one prospect, and should give ... some pause.

Defederation means that FB would be in much the position Gab was earlier: it's running the protocol, but not interfacing with the network.

Fediverse instances might respond to all FB content with an invitation to leave FB and join the Fediverse proper. This is one of several sabotage / response concepts which suggest themselves.

Fediverse instance could attack revenue streams, most critically advertising, in some way. How this might be done isn't clear, but FB-based brand channels would likely be sensitive to this.

Mastodon devs could gaslight FB with false leads, slow responses, and more. (Possibly challenging on a FOSS project, but ... not impossible.)

It's time to put on your Simple Sabotage Field Manual hat, peeps. https://www.cia.gov/news-information/featured-story-archive/2012-featured-story-archive/CleanedUOSSSimpleSabotage_sm.pdf (PDF)

#Sabotage #Factbook #Meta #metablock #p92 #Project92 #FuckFacebook #Zuckerberg #MarkZuckerberg #FuckTheZuck

@finner I've addressed the why at length in an earlier toot: https://toot.cat/@dredmorbius/110567869250237510. TL;DR: Manifest trust failure at the greatest possible level and significance.

The how is another question, though my point above suggests at least one evident option: increase the costs above Facebook's value threshold.

Simply being told "you are not welcome here" is one prospect, and should give ... some pause.

Defederation means that FB would be in much the position Gab was earlier: it's running the protocol, but not interfacing with the network.

Fediverse instances might respond to all FB content with an invitation to leave FB and join the Fediverse proper. This is one of several sabotage / response concepts which suggest themselves.

Fediverse instance could attack revenue streams, most critically advertising, in some way. How this might be done isn't clear, but FB-based brand channels would likely be sensitive to this.

Mastodon devs could gaslight FB with false leads, slow responses, and more. (Possibly challenging on a FOSS project, but ... not impossible.)

It's time to put on your Simple Sabotage Field Manual hat, peeps. https://www.cia.gov/news-information/featured-story-archive/2012-featured-story-archive/CleanedUOSSSimpleSabotage_sm.pdf (PDF)

#Sabotage #Factbook #Meta #metablock #p92 #Project92 #FuckFacebook #Zuckerberg #MarkZuckerberg #FuckTheZuck

@finner I've addressed the why at length in an earlier toot: https://toot.cat/@dredmorbius/110567869250237510. TL;DR: Manifest trust failure at the greatest possible level and significance.

The how is another question, though my point above suggests at least one evident option: increase the costs above Facebook's value threshold.

Simply being told "you are not welcome here" is one prospect, and should give ... some pause.

Defederation means that FB would be in much the position Gab was earlier: it's running the protocol, but not interfacing with the network.

Fediverse instances might respond to all FB content with an invitation to leave FB and join the Fediverse proper. This is one of several sabotage / response concepts which suggest themselves.

Fediverse instance could attack revenue streams, most critically advertising, in some way. How this might be done isn't clear, but FB-based brand channels would likely be sensitive to this.

Mastodon devs could gaslight FB with false leads, slow responses, and more. (Possibly challenging on a FOSS project, but ... not impossible.)

It's time to put on your Simple Sabotage Field Manual hat, peeps. https://www.cia.gov/news-information/featured-story-archive/2012-featured-story-archive/CleanedUOSSSimpleSabotage_sm.pdf (PDF)

#Sabotage #Factbook #Meta #metablock #p92 #Project92 #FuckFacebook #Zuckerberg #MarkZuckerberg #FuckTheZuck

@finner I've addressed the why at length in an earlier toot: https://toot.cat/@dredmorbius/110567869250237510. TL;DR: Manifest trust failure at the greatest possible level and significance.

The how is another question, though my point above suggests at least one evident option: increase the costs above Facebook's value threshold.

Simply being told "you are not welcome here" is one prospect, and should give ... some pause.

Defederation means that FB would be in much the position Gab was earlier: it's running the protocol, but not interfacing with the network.

Fediverse instances might respond to all FB content with an invitation to leave FB and join the Fediverse proper. This is one of several sabotage / response concepts which suggest themselves.

Fediverse instance could attack revenue streams, most critically advertising, in some way. How this might be done isn't clear, but FB-based brand channels would likely be sensitive to this.

Mastodon devs could gaslight FB with false leads, slow responses, and more. (Possibly challenging on a FOSS project, but ... not impossible.)

It's time to put on your Simple Sabotage Field Manual hat, peeps. https://www.cia.gov/news-information/featured-story-archive/2012-featured-story-archive/CleanedUOSSSimpleSabotage_sm.pdf (PDF)

#Sabotage #Factbook #Meta #metablock #p92 #Project92 #FuckFacebook #Zuckerberg #MarkZuckerberg #FuckTheZuck

@finner There was a long-standing false trope about free software development that conflated the potential for anybody to contribute to the code with anybody can contribute to a codebase.

The licence permits redistribution, modification, and by extension, forking. The project administrator however exercises control over what goes into their branch of the project. As Linus Torvalds has often said, his main job (for a few decades now) has been to say "No". As in "no, that patch is not entering the kernel*.

This gets more complicated when a single large entity can control and direct both development and specification. The capacity to empty dumpsters full of cash on developers to do what you tell them to do ... is an effective mechanism for control over a project, and if you happen to own a money-minting machine (Google, Facebook, Amazon, Oracle, IBM), then you're going to have an outsized influence on development. Indeed we've seen Linux affected in this way to an extent, Chrome (and with it the HTML/CSS/JS specs) immensely by Google, and various communications protocols by numerous entities (chat, email, voice, social media, video).

In the case of ActivityPub and the Fediverse, I see two main concerns:

• FB swamping the cultural dynamic and information flows. Even conservatively FB are at least 1,000x larger than the present Fediverse, and I suspect that's an underestimation.

• FB hijacking aspects of the protocol and clients themselves. There are plenty of extant examples of this, and it might be possible even without malicious intent. Mastodon has (/me checks Github...) 830 contributors, and I'd suspect that a power-law distribution holds, with a small fraction of those dominating. FB have > 58k employees, and even if only 10% of that is engineering, that's approaching 10x Mastodon's development team. Keep in mind that non-engineer contributors can also provide useful roles (PMs, QA, etc., etc.)

The fact that both the comms protocol and the development licence are open in no way whatsover compels other Fediverse instances, or the Mastodon project itself, to accept traffic or code from FB. And the harms which might come from doing so, based on historical precedent, are huge.

#meta #metablock #project92 #p92 #barcelonaproject #facebook #mastodon #fediverse #FreeSoftware

Fediverse: This is just like mail, federated, anyone can participate no walled gardens
Meta: Great we will participate
Fediverse: Oh, not like that…

Imagine if all mail servers had “defederated” Gmail or Hotmail. This is an opportunity. Esp if other commercial entities like Tumblr join as well.

#meta #metablock

It's also worth reflecting on why Facebook pays its employees so highly. There are two principle reasons:

1. It can. The company is an absolute cash machine.

2. It has to. For both selling their morality, and mental health due to the stress.

Which is what cooperating with FB in any way, shape, or form would also entail.

#Facebook #Meta #MetaBlock #KaraSwisher #LinaKhan #USFTC #Antitrust #Monopoly #EmbraceExtendExtinguish #EternalSeptember #MarkZuckerberg #FuckZuck #FuckFacebook

It's also worth reflecting on why Facebook pays its employees so highly. There are two principle reasons:

1. It can. The company is an absolute cash machine.

2. It has to. For both selling their morality, and mental health due to the stress.

Which is what cooperating with FB in any way, shape, or form would also entail.

#Facebook #Meta #MetaBlock #KaraSwisher #LinaKhan #USFTC #Antitrust #Monopoly #EmbraceExtendExtinguish #EternalSeptember #MarkZuckerberg #FuckZuck #FuckFacebook

It's also worth reflecting on why Facebook pays its employees so highly. There are two principle reasons:

1. It can. The company is an absolute cash machine.

2. It has to. For both selling their morality, and mental health due to the stress.

Which is what cooperating with FB in any way, shape, or form would also entail.

#Facebook #Meta #MetaBlock #KaraSwisher #LinaKhan #USFTC #Antitrust #Monopoly #EmbraceExtendExtinguish #EternalSeptember #MarkZuckerberg #FuckZuck #FuckFacebook

It's also worth reflecting on why Facebook pays its employees so highly. There are two principle reasons:

1. It can. The company is an absolute cash machine.

2. It has to. For both selling their morality, and mental health due to the stress.

Which is what cooperating with FB in any way, shape, or form would also entail.

#Facebook #Meta #MetaBlock #KaraSwisher #LinaKhan #USFTC #Antitrust #Monopoly #EmbraceExtendExtinguish #EternalSeptember #MarkZuckerberg #FuckZuck #FuckFacebook

It's also worth reflecting on why Facebook pays its employees so highly. There are two principle reasons:

1. It can. The company is an absolute cash machine.

2. It has to. For both selling their morality, and mental health due to the stress.

Which is what cooperating with FB in any way, shape, or form would also entail.

#Facebook #Meta #MetaBlock #KaraSwisher #LinaKhan #USFTC #Antitrust #Monopoly #EmbraceExtendExtinguish #EternalSeptember #MarkZuckerberg #FuckZuck #FuckFacebook

Anyway, I'm just recalling one of the favourite analogies of explaining fedi microblogging as "think of it like email," and for no reason whatsoever, no reason at all, I'm also recalling how running your own non-gmail/outlook365 mail servers these days is a fool's errand of vainly trying to make into whitelists and not getting marked as spam. Don't know why I'm even thinking about that. #fediverse #metablock

>You cannot set up a home email server.

>You cannot set it up on a VPS.

>You cannot set it up on your own datacenter.

>At some point your IP range is bound to be banned, either by one asshole IP neighbor sending spam, one of your users being pwned, due to arbitrary reasons, by mistake, it doesn't matter. It's not if, it's when. Say goodbye to your email. Game over. No recourse.

>The era of distributed, independent email servers is over.

https://cfenollosa.com/blog/after-self-hosting-my-email-for-twenty-three-years-i-have-thrown-in-the-towel-the-oligopoly-has-won.html

Mark Zuckerberg goes in for the kill as Elon Musk’s Twitter bleeds ad dollars

At a gathering of Meta staff last week, Chris Cox, one of Mark Zuckerberg’s most trusted lieutenants, unveiled what he called “our response to Twitter”.

The product chief showed off what has internally been codenamed “Project 92”, or in some iterations “Barcelona”: a prototype app that the Facebook-developer hopes will finally kill its rival.

The app is expected to be called Threads and screenshots suggest it will feature a continuous scroll of text like Twitter with buttons similar to the Like and Retweet functions, according to technology news site The Verge. ...

I'm presuming that this is the core initiative behind recently-disclosed NDA'd meetings of some Fediverse admins & devs and Facebook.

Edit: Markup.

#Facebook #Project92 #Barcelona #BarcelonaProject #Meta #MetaBlock #FediBlockMeta #FediPact #MarkZuckerberg #Zuckerberg

@darnell General Web Search is ... sort of its own thing. That's manageable through robots.txt or permissive / exclusive in-page tags.

(Those will generally prevent content from being presented, but may not prevent crawling, and in the case of on-page headers cannot by the mechanism through which they work (the spider has to crawl and read the header to determine what's being said).

There are groups such as the #ArchiveTeam who explicitly ignore robots.txt: https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/Robots.txt

Then there's the somewhat newly recognised issue of AI LLM training data and derived works.

Other than those, what is your threat model here?

• What risks do you see?
• What are you trying to avoid?
• What would you specifically like to see?

My view is that online content is ... online. It's published, in the sense of public. If you want closed content you need to find some way of disclosing to a limited group. That has tremendous impacts on reach and influence.

That is contrasted with community and interaction, and a Fediverse which is crawled by Google is very different from one that is interfaced by Google and Facebook, parallel with their existing social networks (FB, Instagram, YouTube, Blogger, say).

@jwildeboer

#Meta #Metablock #DefederateMeta #ThreatModels #Risk #GeneralWebSearch #LLM #ArtificialIntelligence #TrainingData

@darnell General Web Search is ... sort of its own thing. That's manageable through robots.txt or permissive / exclusive in-page tags.

(Those will generally prevent content from being presented, but may not prevent crawling, and in the case of on-page headers cannot by the mechanism through which they work (the spider has to crawl and read the header to determine what's being said).

There are groups such as the #ArchiveTeam who explicitly ignore robots.txt: https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/Robots.txt

Then there's the somewhat newly recognised issue of AI LLM training data and derived works.

Other than those, what is your threat model here?

• What risks do you see?
• What are you trying to avoid?
• What would you specifically like to see?

My view is that online content is ... online. It's published, in the sense of public. If you want closed content you need to find some way of disclosing to a limited group. That has tremendous impacts on reach and influence.

That is contrasted with community and interaction, and a Fediverse which is crawled by Google is very different from one that is interfaced by Google and Facebook, parallel with their existing social networks (FB, Instagram, YouTube, Blogger, say).

@jwildeboer

#Meta #Metablock #DefederateMeta #ThreatModels #Risk #GeneralWebSearch #LLM #ArtificialIntelligence #TrainingData

@darnell General Web Search is ... sort of its own thing. That's manageable through robots.txt or permissive / exclusive in-page tags.

(Those will generally prevent content from being presented, but may not prevent crawling, and in the case of on-page headers cannot by the mechanism through which they work (the spider has to crawl and read the header to determine what's being said).

There are groups such as the #ArchiveTeam who explicitly ignore robots.txt: https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/Robots.txt

Then there's the somewhat newly recognised issue of AI LLM training data and derived works.

Other than those, what is your threat model here?

• What risks do you see?
• What are you trying to avoid?
• What would you specifically like to see?

My view is that online content is ... online. It's published, in the sense of public. If you want closed content you need to find some way of disclosing to a limited group. That has tremendous impacts on reach and influence.

That is contrasted with community and interaction, and a Fediverse which is crawled by Google is very different from one that is interfaced by Google and Facebook, parallel with their existing social networks (FB, Instagram, YouTube, Blogger, say).

@jwildeboer

#Meta #Metablock #DefederateMeta #ThreatModels #Risk #GeneralWebSearch #LLM #ArtificialIntelligence #TrainingData

@darnell General Web Search is ... sort of its own thing. That's manageable through robots.txt or permissive / exclusive in-page tags.

(Those will generally prevent content from being presented, but may not prevent crawling, and in the case of on-page headers cannot by the mechanism through which they work (the spider has to crawl and read the header to determine what's being said).

There are groups such as the #ArchiveTeam who explicitly ignore robots.txt: https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/Robots.txt

Then there's the somewhat newly recognised issue of AI LLM training data and derived works.

Other than those, what is your threat model here?

• What risks do you see?
• What are you trying to avoid?
• What would you specifically like to see?

My view is that online content is ... online. It's published, in the sense of public. If you want closed content you need to find some way of disclosing to a limited group. That has tremendous impacts on reach and influence.

That is contrasted with community and interaction, and a Fediverse which is crawled by Google is very different from one that is interfaced by Google and Facebook, parallel with their existing social networks (FB, Instagram, YouTube, Blogger, say).

@jwildeboer

#Meta #Metablock #DefederateMeta #ThreatModels #Risk #GeneralWebSearch #LLM #ArtificialIntelligence #TrainingData

@darnell General Web Search is ... sort of its own thing. That's manageable through robots.txt or permissive / exclusive in-page tags.

(Those will generally prevent content from being presented, but may not prevent crawling, and in the case of on-page headers cannot by the mechanism through which they work (the spider has to crawl and read the header to determine what's being said).

There are groups such as the #ArchiveTeam who explicitly ignore robots.txt: https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/Robots.txt

Then there's the somewhat newly recognised issue of AI LLM training data and derived works.

Other than those, what is your threat model here?

• What risks do you see?
• What are you trying to avoid?
• What would you specifically like to see?

My view is that online content is ... online. It's published, in the sense of public. If you want closed content you need to find some way of disclosing to a limited group. That has tremendous impacts on reach and influence.

That is contrasted with community and interaction, and a Fediverse which is crawled by Google is very different from one that is interfaced by Google and Facebook, parallel with their existing social networks (FB, Instagram, YouTube, Blogger, say).

@jwildeboer

#Meta #Metablock #DefederateMeta #ThreatModels #Risk #GeneralWebSearch #LLM #ArtificialIntelligence #TrainingData

@stux If US and EU antitrust / competitiveness authorities cannot secure compliance from Facebook and Zuckerberg for existing and longstanding orders, what makes you think a rag-tag bunch of Fediverse admins will fare better?

Facebook are manifestly bad-faith and untrustworthy actors. Preblock, now.

Facebook is a repeat violator at the FTC. There was a consent decree that goes back close to a decade, which the FTC in 2019 found that they violated. The recent news suggests that they may have also been in violation of this latest consent order. And that is really prompting a step back and a close look at: What does it take to make sure that firms across the board are actually complying with the law? ... I think when you have companies that are repeatedly before a law-enforcement agency, you need to ask serious questions about whether these companies are recidivist and whether they have a challenge in abiding by existing laws.

-- Lina Khan, Chair of the US Federal Trade Commission, interviewed by Kara Swisher,15 May 2023

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/05/on-with-kara-swisher-ftc-chair-lina-khan-on-ai-and-musk.html

At the very least, a precondition for any cooperation would be full compliance with existing antitrust actions, sanctions, consent orders, and the like, for a period at least as long as noncompliance (so, at least ten years in the case of the order found in violation in 2019).

Edit: s/Swischer/Swisher/. Clarified and corrected out-of-compliance period regarding consent orders.

#Facebook #Meta #MetaBlock #KaraSwisher #LinaKhan #USFTC #Antitrust #Monopoly #EmbraceExtendExtinguish #EternalSeptember #MarkZuckerberg #FuckZuck #FuckFacebook

@stux If US and EU antitrust / competitiveness authorities cannot secure compliance from Facebook and Zuckerberg for existing and longstanding orders, what makes you think a rag-tag bunch of Fediverse admins will fare better?

Facebook are manifestly bad-faith and untrustworthy actors. Preblock, now.

Facebook is a repeat violator at the FTC. There was a consent decree that goes back close to a decade, which the FTC in 2019 found that they violated. The recent news suggests that they may have also been in violation of this latest consent order. And that is really prompting a step back and a close look at: What does it take to make sure that firms across the board are actually complying with the law? ... I think when you have companies that are repeatedly before a law-enforcement agency, you need to ask serious questions about whether these companies are recidivist and whether they have a challenge in abiding by existing laws.

-- Lina Khan, Chair of the US Federal Trade Commission, interviewed by Kara Swisher,15 May 2023

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/05/on-with-kara-swisher-ftc-chair-lina-khan-on-ai-and-musk.html

At the very least, a precondition for any cooperation would be full compliance with existing antitrust actions, sanctions, consent orders, and the like, for a period at least as long as noncompliance (so, at least ten years in the case of the order found in violation in 2019).

Edit: s/Swischer/Swisher/. Clarified and corrected out-of-compliance period regarding consent orders.

#Facebook #Meta #MetaBlock #KaraSwisher #LinaKhan #USFTC #Antitrust #Monopoly #EmbraceExtendExtinguish #EternalSeptember #MarkZuckerberg #FuckZuck #FuckFacebook

@stux If US and EU antitrust / competitiveness authorities cannot secure compliance from Facebook and Zuckerberg for existing and longstanding orders, what makes you think a rag-tag bunch of Fediverse admins will fare better?

Facebook are manifestly bad-faith and untrustworthy actors. Preblock, now.

Facebook is a repeat violator at the FTC. There was a consent decree that goes back close to a decade, which the FTC in 2019 found that they violated. The recent news suggests that they may have also been in violation of this latest consent order. And that is really prompting a step back and a close look at: What does it take to make sure that firms across the board are actually complying with the law? ... I think when you have companies that are repeatedly before a law-enforcement agency, you need to ask serious questions about whether these companies are recidivist and whether they have a challenge in abiding by existing laws.

-- Lina Khan, Chair of the US Federal Trade Commission, interviewed by Kara Swisher,15 May 2023

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/05/on-with-kara-swisher-ftc-chair-lina-khan-on-ai-and-musk.html

At the very least, a precondition for any cooperation would be full compliance with existing antitrust actions, sanctions, consent orders, and the like, for a period at least as long as noncompliance (so, at least ten years in the case of the order found in violation in 2019).

Edit: s/Swischer/Swisher/. Clarified and corrected out-of-compliance period regarding consent orders.

#Facebook #Meta #MetaBlock #KaraSwisher #LinaKhan #USFTC #Antitrust #Monopoly #EmbraceExtendExtinguish #EternalSeptember #MarkZuckerberg #FuckZuck #FuckFacebook

@stux If US and EU antitrust / competitiveness authorities cannot secure compliance from Facebook and Zuckerberg for existing and longstanding orders, what makes you think a rag-tag bunch of Fediverse admins will fare better?

Facebook are manifestly bad-faith and untrustworthy actors. Preblock, now.

Facebook is a repeat violator at the FTC. There was a consent decree that goes back close to a decade, which the FTC in 2019 found that they violated. The recent news suggests that they may have also been in violation of this latest consent order. And that is really prompting a step back and a close look at: What does it take to make sure that firms across the board are actually complying with the law? ... I think when you have companies that are repeatedly before a law-enforcement agency, you need to ask serious questions about whether these companies are recidivist and whether they have a challenge in abiding by existing laws.

-- Lina Khan, Chair of the US Federal Trade Commission, interviewed by Kara Swisher,15 May 2023

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/05/on-with-kara-swisher-ftc-chair-lina-khan-on-ai-and-musk.html

At the very least, a precondition for any cooperation would be full compliance with existing antitrust actions, sanctions, consent orders, and the like, for a period at least as long as noncompliance (so, at least ten years in the case of the order found in violation in 2019).

Edit: s/Swischer/Swisher/. Clarified and corrected out-of-compliance period regarding consent orders.

#Facebook #Meta #MetaBlock #KaraSwisher #LinaKhan #USFTC #Antitrust #Monopoly #EmbraceExtendExtinguish #EternalSeptember #MarkZuckerberg #FuckZuck #FuckFacebook

@stux If US and EU antitrust / competitiveness authorities cannot secure compliance from Facebook and Zuckerberg for existing and longstanding orders, what makes you think a rag-tag bunch of Fediverse admins will fare better?

Facebook are manifestly bad-faith and untrustworthy actors. Preblock, now.

Facebook is a repeat violator at the FTC. There was a consent decree that goes back close to a decade, which the FTC in 2019 found that they violated. The recent news suggests that they may have also been in violation of this latest consent order. And that is really prompting a step back and a close look at: What does it take to make sure that firms across the board are actually complying with the law? ... I think when you have companies that are repeatedly before a law-enforcement agency, you need to ask serious questions about whether these companies are recidivist and whether they have a challenge in abiding by existing laws.

-- Lina Khan, Chair of the US Federal Trade Commission, interviewed by Kara Swisher,15 May 2023

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/05/on-with-kara-swisher-ftc-chair-lina-khan-on-ai-and-musk.html

At the very least, a precondition for any cooperation would be full compliance with existing antitrust actions, sanctions, consent orders, and the like, for a period at least as long as noncompliance (so, at least ten years in the case of the order found in violation in 2019).

Edit: s/Swischer/Swisher/. Clarified and corrected out-of-compliance period regarding consent orders.

#Facebook #Meta #MetaBlock #KaraSwisher #LinaKhan #USFTC #Antitrust #Monopoly #EmbraceExtendExtinguish #EternalSeptember #MarkZuckerberg #FuckZuck #FuckFacebook