#longtermism — Public Fediverse posts

#TIL what #TESCREAL means. I'm impressed by the explanatory power of conceiving of this cluster of #ideologies as an #interconnected #aggregate which then get used to justify #harm

I feel like a lightbulb went on and that I understand the current state we're all in a bit better now.

Highly recommend starting with the @wikipedia article, which covers the #concept and some of the #criticism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TESCREAL

Thanks go to #Bhante #Sujato (https://sujato.me/) for making me aware of the term.

#transhumanism #extropianism #singularitarianism #singularity #cosmism #rationalism #effectiveAltruism #longtermism #transhumanist #transhuman #longnow #eugenics #AGI #utopia #utopianism #bigtech

Ein brillanter Ritt durch die wirkmächtigen Ideologien und Idole des Silicon Valleys und seiner Apostel: der Online-Vortrag "‘Moon first!‘ - Weltraumkolonisierung und Technofaschismus“ von Prof. Anna-Verena Nasthoff (@ANosthoff) und Felix Maschewski (@fmaschewski).

Ich fand es sehr befreiend, die hinter der Technologiepredigt liegenden Glaubenskonstrukte und Menschenbilder mal so eloquent und kompetent durchbuchstabiert zu bekommen. Absolute Empfehlung: https://youtu.be/TvD3F33Yor4
#KI #Longtermism

@UniGegenRechts_Jena

#Legal #FediLaw #Demokratie
#LetzteGeneration #TESCREAL #Longtermism #Ethik

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...der *zukünftigen* Menschheit rechtfertigt aus Sicht ihrer (mächtigen) Anhänger fast jede Aktion gegen *heute* Lebende (überspitzt ausgedrückt).

👉Oder anders ausgedrückt:
Wo liegen die absoluten Grenzen des #ZivilenUngehorsams? 👈

(Ich gebe zu, ich halte viel vom #KategorischenImperativ 🤔😉)

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@hyc ... plus the trained bias like racism, misogynist behaviour etc. and the connection of their company's leaders with fascist #TESCREAL ideologies. Should be a very big ethical alarm signal!
METAs "move fast and break things" is not only marketing speech, it's deeply connected to #longtermism.
I recommend @emilymbender as a specialist for ethical questions and @timnitGebru who coined the term Tescreal with a colleague.

#aiEthics

@hfalcke @naor_nl

Longtermism: genuine moral corrective, or elaborate excuse to ignore present suffering? Both, actually. by @daylightatheism

https://onlys.ky/longtermism-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ridiculous/?utm_source=mastodon&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=evergreen

#Longtermism #EffectiveAltruism #Ethics #Futurism #Philosophy

Like many progressive rock fans of my generation, I’ve eagerly following #Rush ‘s return to the stage. We are being treated to live performances of songs that haven’t been played live in their entirety for many years, even by Rush.

So I’m watching the performance of 2112, singing along to The Temples of Syrinx and it stopped me in my tracks. I’m flooded with images of our world today, #bigtech, #socialmedia, #AI, #techbros with their #transhumanism and #longtermism.

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Y'all, this article by Owen McGrann is so good that I am struggling not to quote the entire thing like one of those weird youtubers that stands in the corner of someone else's video and points. (Such an odd ouroboros.)

His philosophical points are well grounded, exquisitely argued, and provide that pleasurable tingle of neurons firing.

His premise is that akin to what #AI #slop has done to the internet, i.e. #deadInternet theory, they are poised to do to the #economy if we don't stop them. #DeadEconomy Theory, he names it.

Quote: #Longtermism, the philosophical engine of AI acceleration, whether its proponents acknowledge it or not, is warmed-over Parfit without the rigor. The argument (that we should optimize for the welfare of trillions of hypothetical future beings, and that present-day costs are acceptable in service of that goal) is a framework any competent ethicist can dismantle in an afternoon.

https://www.owenmcgrann.com/p/the-dead-economy-theory

RE: https://troet.cafe/@ndaktuell/116662941939378411

Sehr wild liebes ND - ihr greift ein total wichtiges Thema und ein Dilemma linker Organisationen auf - mensch will die Massen erreichen und wird immer stärker von Plattformen für Links, politische Inhalte etc. bestraft oder gleich gebannt. Der Versuch die Bevölkerung zu erreichen, hält viele auf den Plattformen ihrer schlimmsten politischen Feinde - während mensch trotzdem immer mehr an Boden verliert. Ihr fordert radikale Alternativen. Und dann benennt ihr diese Alternativen nicht, den Digital Independence Day nicht, startet mit eurer Reichweite keinen flammenden Aufruf zum Wechsel?!

Wir rufen flammend auf: Helft euren Freund:innen beim Wechseln, unterstützt dezentrale Plattformen mit offenen Code, schreibt politische Organisationen, Institutionen, Medien an, die nicht auf diesen Plattformen sind. Kämpft in euren Betrieben um die Software, die verwendet wird, unterstützt die Entwicklung dieser Software!

@faubit

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Independence_Day

#Meta #Google #Amazon #OpenAI #Tiktok #Fediverse #DiD #Dut #OpenSoftware #Opensource #Techkonzerne #Musk #Trump #Longtermism #Thiel #Palantir #Konzerne #EU #DSGVO #DigitaleAutonomie #DigitaleSoevereiniteit #DigitaleSelbstbestimmung

RE: https://troet.cafe/@kollapscamp/116656648684713285

#Neuhier - Der Account zum Kollapscamp. Der Kollaps-Begriff und die sich darum entwickelnde Bewegung werden von vielen nicht unkritisch gesehen. Gewerkschafter:innen der FAU beschäftigen sich intern aber auch öffentlich damit: https://direkteaktion.org/2025/07/kollaps-gewerkschaften-neuanfaenge/

Wichtig ist uns als Gewerkschaftsbewegung dabei, realistisch auf die ökologischen, sozialen und politischen Katastrophen zu blicken, auf die das globale Kapital zurast und dabei noch aufs Gas tritt - ohne dabei jedoch in Passivität zu verfallen oder den Anspruch nach gesamtgesellschaftlichen Lösungen und einer gesamtgesellschaftlichen Gegenwehr aufzugeben. In der Kollapsbewegungen haben viele von uns dabei Verbündete, neue Genoss:innen und v.a. viele interessante Quellen und Bildungsformate gefunden.

#Kollaps #Klima #Biodiversität #Klimakatastrophe #Rechtsruck #Artensterben #Nährstoffkrise #Überwachung #Techkonzerne #Transhumanismus #Longtermism #Sozialabbau #AfD #Merz #CDU #Trump #Antifa

Every now and then someone brings up #EffectiveAltruism, #TESCREAL, #RokosBasilisk, #Rationalism, or some other #Musk related nonsense. I ridicule it, or laugh, and move on. The whole evil god of Roko's Basilisk is so silly it doesn't feel worth writing about. But people started a whole cult over it and killed a bunch of people.

Since then I've been meaning to actually spend time tearing it down. So I think it's time to go kill a god. Fortunately it involves making fun of Elon Musk specifically and all the #AI-pilled #TechBros more generally, so that's nice I guess.

Also, I make the argument that we're all in a simulation that only exists to torture Elon Musk.

https://hexmhell.writeas.com/galileos-basilisk

#NoAI #Singularity #longtermism #Yudkowsky #Zizians

RE: https://mstdn.science/@ChemicalEyeGuy/116363252099350048

The people running #bigtech and #ai believe in ludicrous #antihuman philosophies like #effectivealtruism and #longtermism. The sooner they're out of power the better because we're at the edge of being too late.

@doro
Wobei das "tool"(S.Bannon) wohl bald nicht mehr nützlich/nutzbar sein dürfte, angesichts des immer offensichtlicher werdenden psychischen und physischen Abbaus.
Ein erfolgreicher Anschlag auf Trump (mit anschliessender Verklärung ala Kirk) dürfte dem #project2025 bei solchen Überlegungen logischer erscheinen.
Der politisch nur scheinbar gemässigtere Vance kann nicht nur von Figuren wie z.B. Tiel dann auch jede Menge Unterstützung erwarten.
#longtermism #clubofoligarchs #jederfursich

Thiel funds MIRI. Yarvin shapes Vance. Sanders flies to Berkeley. Green films two videos. The extinction frame is a class project. Follow the money.

#AI #FollowTheMoney #MIRI #Longtermism

http://cherokeeschill.com/2026/03/17/the-network-behind-the-moderate-miri-thiel-yarvin-and-the-ai-extinction-myth/?utm_source=mastodon&utm_medium=jetpack_social

RE: https://mastodon.social/@DrALJONES/116136370851019617

Here is a very disturbing article on #longtermism. It made me realize my main problem with the argument - adding to the monstrosity of the idea itself.

„Longtermism is […], which asserts that there could be so many digital people living in vast computer simulations millions or billions of years in the future that one of our most important moral obligations today is to take actions that ensure as many of these digital people come into existence as possible.“

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#TESCREAL

Heute ist übrigens ein guter Tag, um euch über Longtermism und andere Tech-Bro-Religionen zu informieren.

https://www.golem.de/news/energieverbrauch-ki-kostet-so-viel-wie-ein-mensch-sagt-sam-altman-2602-205705.html

#Longtermism

@gregorgrau @silberspur @RAlpenstern

Hier wurde zum Longtermism / Langzeitismus bereits gebloggt & intensiv diskutiert. Bei Interesse: Herzliche Einladung! #Longtermism #Langzeitismus #Longtermismus https://scilogs.spektrum.de/natur-des-glaubens/langzeitismus-der-kommende-faschismus-feiert-die-klimakrise-fossiler-wahnsinn-3/

I was in a discussion a few days ago about #tescreal, when this image from a #longtermism essay was posted. Somehow, it was being used as an argument for environmental despoliation and whatever billionaires, oligarchs and techbros wanna do because(missing middle), and the rights of these future masses to exist outweighs the rights of anybody in the present. Of course, these are people who don’t exist and thus don’t have a voice to override the Peter Thiels of today. Also… that missing middle.

I don't agree with all of this -- I **generally** don't usually fully agree with @taylorlorenz -- but this is a good high-level summary. Worth watching. (Or listening to, the visuals aren't central!)

#tescreal #billionaires #techbros #longtermism #singularity #effectivealtruism #transhumanism #mindchildren #accelerationism #bullshit #BillionairesAreNotYourFriends

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1dIC287Zz0

Longtermism ideas are constantly being laundered by reputable science youtubers.

On their own those ideas would rightfully freak any of us, that's why the constant pandering and watering down in new formats, easily digestible for mainstream audiences.

Longtermism is the closest thing to a modern day satanic cult. Many countries around the world ban dangerous cults. It's time to start raiding the tescrealist compounds.

#tescreal #longtermism

Gjengen i #Langsikt har nå forvillet inn med synsing i flere medier. Aftenposten, Khrono, Univeristetsavisa osv.

En siste krampetrekning? Gjøre seg synlig når statsbudsjettet forhandles?

#allheimen #TankesmienLangsikt #longtermism

"In evangelizing for their view, longtermist luminaries have propagated numerous lies about their ideology and/or community. For example, folks like MacAskill intentionally deceived people (see this article of mine for details) by perpetuating the falsehood that Sam Bankman-Fried — perhaps the most famous longtermist in the world — lived a modest life, when in fact he flew on private jets, lived in a “$35 million crypto frat house,” and owned some $300 million in Bahamian real estate. Pfff.

Because many longtermists, including MacAskill, are basically utilitarians, they don’t believe there’s anything intrinsically wrong with acts like lying — or fraud. If the outcome of spreading lies is overall good, then it would be morally wrong to not lie. Hence, do not trust anything that longtermists tell you about their worldview or community, as moral integrity is not — with history as our witness — something they care much about.

Here are three other insidious lies they’ve spread about their worldview. To my knowledge, this is the first time that anyone has called out such falsehoods:"

https://www.realtimetechpocalypse.com/p/three-lies-longtermists-like-to-tell

#LongTermism #Philosophy #HumanExtinction #Religion #Ideology