#webmention — Public Fediverse posts

I joined the IndieWeb; here's what I learned.

What it is, its principles, which protocols I implemented (h-entry, Webmention, WebSub...), which I skipped and why, and what actually made a difference.

https://en.andros.dev/blog/0b8e451e/i-joined-the-indieweb-heres-what-i-learned/

#IndieWeb #PersonalWeb #Webmention #OpenWeb #SelfHosted

I joined the IndieWeb; here's what I learned.

What it is, its principles, which protocols I implemented (h-entry, Webmention, WebSub...), which I skipped and why, and what actually made a difference.

https://en.andros.dev/blog/0b8e451e/i-joined-the-indieweb-heres-what-i-learned/

#IndieWeb #PersonalWeb #Webmention #OpenWeb #SelfHosted

I joined the IndieWeb; here's what I learned.

What it is, its principles, which protocols I implemented (h-entry, Webmention, WebSub...), which I skipped and why, and what actually made a difference.

https://en.andros.dev/blog/0b8e451e/i-joined-the-indieweb-heres-what-i-learned/

#IndieWeb #PersonalWeb #Webmention #OpenWeb #SelfHosted

I joined the IndieWeb; here's what I learned.

What it is, its principles, which protocols I implemented (h-entry, Webmention, WebSub...), which I skipped and why, and what actually made a difference.

https://en.andros.dev/blog/0b8e451e/i-joined-the-indieweb-heres-what-i-learned/

#IndieWeb #PersonalWeb #Webmention #OpenWeb #SelfHosted

I joined the IndieWeb; here's what I learned.

What it is, its principles, which protocols I implemented (h-entry, Webmention, WebSub...), which I skipped and why, and what actually made a difference.

https://en.andros.dev/blog/0b8e451e/i-joined-the-indieweb-heres-what-i-learned/

#IndieWeb #PersonalWeb #Webmention #OpenWeb #SelfHosted

/RSVP pages – an indie idea

You’ve heard of /now pages and maybe even /me pages. I’d like to present to you another idea – /RSVP pages (or /rsvp if lower casing matters to you).

RSVP is short for the French phrase “Répondez s’il vous plaît”, meaning “please respond” (literally “respond if it pleases you”). RSVP is most common on invitations where the host wants to know numbers. But I think it applies here too.

The purpose of this page is to list articles, posts, or other content with a WebMention endpoint attached. They indicate pages that you are specifically inviting people to reply to.

This allows for the discovery of mentionable content that is, according to you, good for replying to. Open-ended questions come to mind.

I’ve used an RSVP tag for mine. I added a redirect so node.lordmatt.co.uk/RSVP also takes you there.

#French #RSVP #stealThisIdea #WebMention

ActivityPub in WordPress ist super. Aber wie immer, es einfach blind zu verwenden, kann zu rechtlichen Problemen führen, hier insbesondere bezüglich der DSGVO. Das kommt daher, dass es naturgemäß Daten von entfernten Servern lädt. Aber das lässt sich beheben.

https://epiph.yt/blog/2025/activitypub-datenschutzkonform-verwenden/

#ActivityPub #AvatarPrivacy #Datenschutz #Datenschutzerklärung #Fediverse #Webmention #WordPress

The team @micro.blog have done it again.

They soft-launched https://micro.one yesterday¹.

This may be the most accessible onramp to the open social web ever.

Cost: $1 a month. Yes you read correctly.

This is the simplest and cheapest (where you are the customer, not the product) way to own your identity and content online².

Stop posting in someone else’s garage³.

Time to export your Twitter, and migrate your Mastodon handle to your own home on the web.

Of course you can bring your own domain name. Additionally:
* blog posts, naturally, both articles and microblogging notes
* photos
* podcasting
* custom themes
* web-clients and native mobile posting clients
* WordPress, Tumblr, Mastodon, Medium import
More details (and alternatives) at https://micro.one/about/pricing

And yes, it interoperates with the open #socialWeb, including:
* #ActivityPub support, #Mastodon and #fediverse compatibility
* #IndieAuth to sign-in to third-party apps
* #microformats support in all built-in themes
* #Webmention for sending and receiving replies across websites
* #Micropub standard posting API, supporting dozens of clients
* #Microsub standard timeline API, supporting social readers
More #indieweb support details at https://micro.one/about/indieweb

Did I mention the the superb micro.blog (and micro.one) Community Guidelines?
* https://help.micro.blog/t/community-guidelines/39

Well done @manton.org and team.

This is post 6 of #100PostsOfIndieWeb. #100Posts #ownYourIdentity #ownYourData #openSocialWeb

← https://tantek.com/2025/003/t1/lastfm-year-in-review-playback24
→ https://tantek.com/2025/012/t1/eight-years-webmention


Glossary

IndieAuth
  https://indieweb.org/IndieAuth
microformats
  https://microformats.org/wiki/microformats
Micropub
  https://indieweb.org/Micropub
Microsub
  https://indieweb.org/Microsub
Webmention
  https://indieweb.org/Webmention

References

¹ https://www.manton.org/2025/01/03/microone-was-effectively-a-softlaunch.html
² https://tantek.com/2025/001/t1/15-years-notes-my-site-first
³ https://tantek.com/2023/022/t2/own-your-notes-domain-migration

The team @micro.blog have done it again.

They soft-launched https://micro.one yesterday¹.

This may be the most accessible onramp to the open social web ever.

Cost: $1 a month. Yes you read correctly.

This is the simplest and cheapest (where you are the customer, not the product) way to own your identity and content online².

Stop posting in someone else’s garage³.

Time to export your Twitter, and migrate your Mastodon handle to your own home on the web.

Of course you can bring your own domain name. Additionally:
* blog posts, naturally, both articles and microblogging notes
* photos
* podcasting
* custom themes
* web-clients and native mobile posting clients
* WordPress, Tumblr, Mastodon, Medium import
More details (and alternatives) at https://micro.one/about/pricing

And yes, it interoperates with the open #socialWeb, including:
* #ActivityPub support, #Mastodon and #fediverse compatibility
* #IndieAuth to sign-in to third-party apps
* #microformats support in all built-in themes
* #Webmention for sending and receiving replies across websites
* #Micropub standard posting API, supporting dozens of clients
* #Microsub standard timeline API, supporting social readers
More #indieweb support details at https://micro.one/about/indieweb

Did I mention the the superb micro.blog (and micro.one) Community Guidelines?
* https://help.micro.blog/t/community-guidelines/39

Well done @manton.org and team.

This is post 6 of #100PostsOfIndieWeb. #100Posts #ownYourIdentity #ownYourData #openSocialWeb

← https://tantek.com/2025/003/t1/lastfm-year-in-review-playback24
→ https://tantek.com/2025/012/t1/eight-years-webmention


Glossary

IndieAuth
  https://indieweb.org/IndieAuth
microformats
  https://microformats.org/wiki/microformats
Micropub
  https://indieweb.org/Micropub
Microsub
  https://indieweb.org/Microsub
Webmention
  https://indieweb.org/Webmention

References

¹ https://www.manton.org/2025/01/03/microone-was-effectively-a-softlaunch.html
² https://tantek.com/2025/001/t1/15-years-notes-my-site-first
³ https://tantek.com/2023/022/t2/own-your-notes-domain-migration

The team @micro.blog have done it again.

They soft-launched https://micro.one yesterday¹.

This may be the most accessible onramp to the open social web ever.

Cost: $1 a month. Yes you read correctly.

This is the simplest and cheapest (where you are the customer, not the product) way to own your identity and content online².

Stop posting in someone else’s garage³.

Time to export your Twitter, and migrate your Mastodon handle to your own home on the web.

Of course you can bring your own domain name. Additionally:
* blog posts, naturally, both articles and microblogging notes
* photos
* podcasting
* custom themes
* web-clients and native mobile posting clients
* WordPress, Tumblr, Mastodon, Medium import
More details (and alternatives) at https://micro.one/about/pricing

And yes, it interoperates with the open #socialWeb, including:
* #ActivityPub support, #Mastodon and #fediverse compatibility
* #IndieAuth to sign-in to third-party apps
* #microformats support in all built-in themes
* #Webmention for sending and receiving replies across websites
* #Micropub standard posting API, supporting dozens of clients
* #Microsub standard timeline API, supporting social readers
More #indieweb support details at https://micro.one/about/indieweb

Did I mention the the superb micro.blog (and micro.one) Community Guidelines?
* https://help.micro.blog/t/community-guidelines/39

Well done @manton.org and team.

This is post 6 of #100PostsOfIndieWeb. #100Posts #ownYourIdentity #ownYourData #openSocialWeb

← https://tantek.com/2025/003/t1/lastfm-year-in-review-playback24
→ https://tantek.com/2025/012/t1/eight-years-webmention


Glossary

IndieAuth
  https://indieweb.org/IndieAuth
microformats
  https://microformats.org/wiki/microformats
Micropub
  https://indieweb.org/Micropub
Microsub
  https://indieweb.org/Microsub
Webmention
  https://indieweb.org/Webmention

References

¹ https://www.manton.org/2025/01/03/microone-was-effectively-a-softlaunch.html
² https://tantek.com/2025/001/t1/15-years-notes-my-site-first
³ https://tantek.com/2023/022/t2/own-your-notes-domain-migration

The team @micro.blog have done it again.

They soft-launched https://micro.one yesterday¹.

This may be the most accessible onramp to the open social web ever.

Cost: $1 a month. Yes you read correctly.

This is the simplest and cheapest (where you are the customer, not the product) way to own your identity and content online².

Stop posting in someone else’s garage³.

Time to export your Twitter, and migrate your Mastodon handle to your own home on the web.

Of course you can bring your own domain name. Additionally:
* blog posts, naturally, both articles and microblogging notes
* photos
* podcasting
* custom themes
* web-clients and native mobile posting clients
* WordPress, Tumblr, Mastodon, Medium import
More details (and alternatives) at https://micro.one/about/pricing

And yes, it interoperates with the open #socialWeb, including:
* #ActivityPub support, #Mastodon and #fediverse compatibility
* #IndieAuth to sign-in to third-party apps
* #microformats support in all built-in themes
* #Webmention for sending and receiving replies across websites
* #Micropub standard posting API, supporting dozens of clients
* #Microsub standard timeline API, supporting social readers
More #indieweb support details at https://micro.one/about/indieweb

Did I mention the the superb micro.blog (and micro.one) Community Guidelines?
* https://help.micro.blog/t/community-guidelines/39

Well done @manton.org and team.

This is post 6 of #100PostsOfIndieWeb. #100Posts #ownYourIdentity #ownYourData #openSocialWeb

← https://tantek.com/2025/003/t1/lastfm-year-in-review-playback24
→ https://tantek.com/2025/012/t1/eight-years-webmention


Glossary

IndieAuth
  https://indieweb.org/IndieAuth
microformats
  https://microformats.org/wiki/microformats
Micropub
  https://indieweb.org/Micropub
Microsub
  https://indieweb.org/Microsub
Webmention
  https://indieweb.org/Webmention

References

¹ https://www.manton.org/2025/01/03/microone-was-effectively-a-softlaunch.html
² https://tantek.com/2025/001/t1/15-years-notes-my-site-first
³ https://tantek.com/2023/022/t2/own-your-notes-domain-migration

The team @micro.blog have done it again.

They soft-launched https://micro.one yesterday¹.

This may be the most accessible onramp to the open social web ever.

Cost: $1 a month. Yes you read correctly.

This is the simplest and cheapest (where you are the customer, not the product) way to own your identity and content online².

Stop posting in someone else’s garage³.

Time to export your Twitter, and migrate your Mastodon handle to your own home on the web.

Of course you can bring your own domain name. Additionally:
* blog posts, naturally, both articles and microblogging notes
* photos
* podcasting
* custom themes
* web-clients and native mobile posting clients
* WordPress, Tumblr, Mastodon, Medium import
More details (and alternatives) at https://micro.one/about/pricing

And yes, it interoperates with the open #socialWeb, including:
* #ActivityPub support, #Mastodon and #fediverse compatibility
* #IndieAuth to sign-in to third-party apps
* #microformats support in all built-in themes
* #Webmention for sending and receiving replies across websites
* #Micropub standard posting API, supporting dozens of clients
* #Microsub standard timeline API, supporting social readers
More #indieweb support details at https://micro.one/about/indieweb

Did I mention the the superb micro.blog (and micro.one) Community Guidelines?
* https://help.micro.blog/t/community-guidelines/39

Well done @manton.org and team.

This is post 6 of #100PostsOfIndieWeb. #100Posts #ownYourIdentity #ownYourData #openSocialWeb

← https://tantek.com/2025/003/t1/lastfm-year-in-review-playback24
→ https://tantek.com/2025/012/t1/eight-years-webmention


Glossary

IndieAuth
  https://indieweb.org/IndieAuth
microformats
  https://microformats.org/wiki/microformats
Micropub
  https://indieweb.org/Micropub
Microsub
  https://indieweb.org/Microsub
Webmention
  https://indieweb.org/Webmention

References

¹ https://www.manton.org/2025/01/03/microone-was-effectively-a-softlaunch.html
² https://tantek.com/2025/001/t1/15-years-notes-my-site-first
³ https://tantek.com/2023/022/t2/own-your-notes-domain-migration

I feel like geocaching should be implemented with web mentions

#geocaching #webmentions #indieweb #geocache #webmention #cache #web #mention #webDev #smallweb #posse

I feel like geocaching should be implemented with web mentions

#geocaching #webmentions #indieweb #geocache #webmention #cache #web #mention #webDev #smallweb #posse

@henrikjernevad Looks like I'd need to add IndieAuth support to my (WriteFreely) web site before I could use webmention.io. Probably not worth the effort.

#IndieAuth #WriteFreely #WebMention

Ways to improve discovery on the IndieWeb

The IndieWeb is slowly moving from innovation to rely adopter so it is time to start thinking about content discovery. After all, what’s the point of a game for two people if you are the only one at the table?

One of the ways IndieWeb can become easier to use is to become easier to discover new users and content.

The example of the […]

#blogging #discovery #IndieWeb #isBrill #RSS #SocialMedia #Webmention

https://lordmatt.co.uk/?p=1582

Ways to improve discovery on the IndieWeb

The IndieWeb is slowly moving from innovation to rely adopter so it is time to start thinking about content discovery. After all, what’s the point of a game for two people if you are the only one at the table?

One of the ways IndieWeb can become easier to use is to become easier to discover new users and content.

The example of the […]

#blogging #discovery #IndieWeb #isBrill #RSS #SocialMedia #Webmention

https://lordmatt.co.uk/?p=1582

Let’s talk about making IndieWeb weirder and easier

I’ve been a huge fan of IndieWeb since I stumbled upon it one fateful day. While the specifics of how I found it are lost in the annals of history, my willingness to use it in every project has never abated. Well, the bits I understand at any rate.

This is why I bring up the topic of making IndieWeb ideas into weird and easier-to-use […]

#ActivityPub #blogging #domainNames #FlamedFury #GilesTurnbull #hCard #hashtag #ideas #IndieAuth #IndieWeb #JeremyHerve #KevQuirk #LordMatt #Mastodon #MatthiasPfefferle #microformats #Microsub #NatureSelfie #PHP #postsWhereIInventANewWord #purpleCow #purpleCowNess #relMe #RSS #SeeingThings #SethGodin #SocialMedia #Webmention #WebSub #WordPress #Wow

https://lordmatt.co.uk/?p=1489

I'm pleased to announce that the newly revised isBrill.com design is more responsive and just as ugly as ever.

As a showcase, I've been working on a new #isBrill page https://punning.isbrill.com/ - a (growing) collection of puns and dad jokes available over #ActivityPub and fully #WebMention supported.

I'm not a #CSS mega-expert or anything so I am open to criticism of the constructive type.

I'm pleased to announce that the newly revised isBrill.com design is more responsive and just as ugly as ever.

As a showcase, I've been working on a new #isBrill page https://punning.isbrill.com/ - a (growing) collection of puns and dad jokes available over #ActivityPub and fully #WebMention supported.

I'm not a #CSS mega-expert or anything so I am open to criticism of the constructive type.

I'm pleased to announce that the newly revised isBrill.com design is more responsive and just as ugly as ever.

As a showcase, I've been working on a new #isBrill page https://punning.isbrill.com/ - a (growing) collection of puns and dad jokes available over #ActivityPub and fully #WebMention supported.

I'm not a #CSS mega-expert or anything so I am open to criticism of the constructive type.

I'm pleased to announce that the newly revised isBrill.com design is more responsive and just as ugly as ever.

As a showcase, I've been working on a new #isBrill page https://punning.isbrill.com/ - a (growing) collection of puns and dad jokes available over #ActivityPub and fully #WebMention supported.

I'm not a #CSS mega-expert or anything so I am open to criticism of the constructive type.

I'm pleased to announce that the newly revised isBrill.com design is more responsive and just as ugly as ever.

As a showcase, I've been working on a new #isBrill page https://punning.isbrill.com/ - a (growing) collection of puns and dad jokes available over #ActivityPub and fully #WebMention supported.

I'm not a #CSS mega-expert or anything so I am open to criticism of the constructive type.

@maffeis #ActivityPub is for federation whereas #micropub and #microsub are for interacting with your instance, so they are not really exclusive though.

Micropub is already supported by tools like micro.blog, @ia Writer and such.

Not sure if anyone has implemented it on top of an ActivityPub backend though.

#Webmention, #WebSub and #Microformats would be the more direct #IndieWeb “competitor” to ActivityPub, but eg @snarfed.org and @pfefferle are both showing that the two can be bridged

@maffeis #ActivityPub is for federation whereas #micropub and #microsub are for interacting with your instance, so they are not really exclusive though.

Micropub is already supported by tools like micro.blog, @ia Writer and such.

Not sure if anyone has implemented it on top of an ActivityPub backend though.

#Webmention, #WebSub and #Microformats would be the more direct #IndieWeb “competitor” to ActivityPub, but eg @snarfed.org and @pfefferle are both showing that the two can be bridged

@maffeis #ActivityPub is for federation whereas #micropub and #microsub are for interacting with your instance, so they are not really exclusive though.

Micropub is already supported by tools like micro.blog, @ia Writer and such.

Not sure if anyone has implemented it on top of an ActivityPub backend though.

#Webmention, #WebSub and #Microformats would be the more direct #IndieWeb “competitor” to ActivityPub, but eg @snarfed.org and @pfefferle are both showing that the two can be bridged

@maffeis #ActivityPub is for federation whereas #micropub and #microsub are for interacting with your instance, so they are not really exclusive though.

Micropub is already supported by tools like micro.blog, @ia Writer and such.

Not sure if anyone has implemented it on top of an ActivityPub backend though.

#Webmention, #WebSub and #Microformats would be the more direct #IndieWeb “competitor” to ActivityPub, but eg @snarfed.org and @pfefferle are both showing that the two can be bridged

@maffeis #ActivityPub is for federation whereas #micropub and #microsub are for interacting with your instance, so they are not really exclusive though.

Micropub is already supported by tools like micro.blog, @ia Writer and such.

Not sure if anyone has implemented it on top of an ActivityPub backend though.

#Webmention, #WebSub and #Microformats would be the more direct #IndieWeb “competitor” to ActivityPub, but eg @snarfed.org and @pfefferle are both showing that the two can be bridged

@kfitz I’m not sure that the straightforward functionality you’re looking for exists within the ActivityPub plugin (yet), but it’s certainly something you could potentially file as a feature request.

Since you have other Fediverse accounts you’re using, you might be able to follow the same general pattern I’d documented with Twitter for threading comments between my site and Twitter: https://boffosocko.com/2018/07/02/threaded-conversations-between-wordpress-and-twitter/

Generally, you’d post on your site where it’s seen in the Fediverse via the ActivityPub plugin and/or optionally boosted by your native Mastodon account. Replies to your post (on Mastodon) show up on your site as comments and you reply to them there in your site’s comments section. Then you manually copy/paste the text of your reply from your website into your native Mastodon account and include the comment/reply permalink in that reply. If you’ve got Webmention set up with Brid.gy for Mastodon, replies to your replies on Mastodon should then make their way back to the proper threaded spot in your website’s comments section.

An example of this at work can be seen on my earlier mistake:

• The original post on my site;
• My own reply on my site;
• My manually copied reply on Mastodon;
• My Mastodon reply shows up on my site via Brid.gy;
• A like of that Mastodon reply shows up on my site (also courtesy of Brid.gy via Webmention).

Related, I’ve been playing around with mirroring my WP site as an instance with the ActivityPub plugin and have boosted posts with my more broadly followed mastodon.social account the same way you mentioned that you were doing with yours. Somehow I’m anecdotally finding that I get more responses/reactions with native posts that with these boosts. I’m curious what your experience has been with this strategy so far? I’m still just starting my experimentation here, but I do like the fact that I’m able to include richer presentation of wrapped links in my WordPress native posts which are seen in the Fediverse while Mastodon seems to strip them out or not allow them (see an example of this in the post above this reply).

#activitypub #activitypub-plugin #backfeed #brid-gy #fediverse #mastodon #posse #syndication #threaded-replies #webmention

https://boffosocko.com/2022/12/17/55812907/

@kfitz I’m not sure that the straightforward functionality you’re looking for exists within the ActivityPub plugin (yet), but it’s certainly something you could potentially file as a feature request.

Since you have other Fediverse accounts you’re using, you might be able to follow the same general pattern I’d documented with Twitter for threading comments between my site and Twitter: https://boffosocko.com/2018/07/02/threaded-conversations-between-wordpress-and-twitter/

Generally, you’d post on your site where it’s seen in the Fediverse via the ActivityPub plugin and/or optionally boosted by your native Mastodon account. Replies to your post (on Mastodon) show up on your site as comments and you reply to them there in your site’s comments section. Then you manually copy/paste the text of your reply from your website into your native Mastodon account and include the comment/reply permalink in that reply. If you’ve got Webmention set up with Brid.gy for Mastodon, replies to your replies on Mastodon should then make their way back to the proper threaded spot in your website’s comments section.

An example of this at work can be seen on my earlier mistake:

• The original post on my site;
• My own reply on my site;
• My manually copied reply on Mastodon;
• My Mastodon reply shows up on my site via Brid.gy;
• A like of that Mastodon reply shows up on my site (also courtesy of Brid.gy via Webmention).

Related, I’ve been playing around with mirroring my WP site as an instance with the ActivityPub plugin and have boosted posts with my more broadly followed mastodon.social account the same way you mentioned that you were doing with yours. Somehow I’m anecdotally finding that I get more responses/reactions with native posts that with these boosts. I’m curious what your experience has been with this strategy so far? I’m still just starting my experimentation here, but I do like the fact that I’m able to include richer presentation of wrapped links in my WordPress native posts which are seen in the Fediverse while Mastodon seems to strip them out or not allow them (see an example of this in the post above this reply).

#activitypub #activitypub-plugin #backfeed #brid-gy #fediverse #mastodon #posse #syndication #threaded-replies #webmention

https://boffosocko.com/2022/12/17/55812907/

@kfitz I’m not sure that the straightforward functionality you’re looking for exists within the ActivityPub plugin (yet), but it’s certainly something you could potentially file as a feature request.

Since you have other Fediverse accounts you’re using, you might be able to follow the same general pattern I’d documented with Twitter for threading comments between my site and Twitter: https://boffosocko.com/2018/07/02/threaded-conversations-between-wordpress-and-twitter/

Generally, you’d post on your site where it’s seen in the Fediverse via the ActivityPub plugin and/or optionally boosted by your native Mastodon account. Replies to your post (on Mastodon) show up on your site as comments and you reply to them there in your site’s comments section. Then you manually copy/paste the text of your reply from your website into your native Mastodon account and include the comment/reply permalink in that reply. If you’ve got Webmention set up with Brid.gy for Mastodon, replies to your replies on Mastodon should then make their way back to the proper threaded spot in your website’s comments section.

An example of this at work can be seen on my earlier mistake:

• The original post on my site;
• My own reply on my site;
• My manually copied reply on Mastodon;
• My Mastodon reply shows up on my site via Brid.gy;
• A like of that Mastodon reply shows up on my site (also courtesy of Brid.gy via Webmention).

Related, I’ve been playing around with mirroring my WP site as an instance with the ActivityPub plugin and have boosted posts with my more broadly followed mastodon.social account the same way you mentioned that you were doing with yours. Somehow I’m anecdotally finding that I get more responses/reactions with native posts that with these boosts. I’m curious what your experience has been with this strategy so far? I’m still just starting my experimentation here, but I do like the fact that I’m able to include richer presentation of wrapped links in my WordPress native posts which are seen in the Fediverse while Mastodon seems to strip them out or not allow them (see an example of this in the post above this reply).

#activitypub #activitypub-plugin #backfeed #brid-gy #fediverse #mastodon #posse #syndication #threaded-replies #webmention

https://boffosocko.com/2022/12/17/55812907/

@kfitz I’m not sure that the straightforward functionality you’re looking for exists within the ActivityPub plugin (yet), but it’s certainly something you could potentially file as a feature request.

Since you have other Fediverse accounts you’re using, you might be able to follow the same general pattern I’d documented with Twitter for threading comments between my site and Twitter: https://boffosocko.com/2018/07/02/threaded-conversations-between-wordpress-and-twitter/

Generally, you’d post on your site where it’s seen in the Fediverse via the ActivityPub plugin and/or optionally boosted by your native Mastodon account. Replies to your post (on Mastodon) show up on your site as comments and you reply to them there in your site’s comments section. Then you manually copy/paste the text of your reply from your website into your native Mastodon account and include the comment/reply permalink in that reply. If you’ve got Webmention set up with Brid.gy for Mastodon, replies to your replies on Mastodon should then make their way back to the proper threaded spot in your website’s comments section.

An example of this at work can be seen on my earlier mistake:

• The original post on my site;
• My own reply on my site;
• My manually copied reply on Mastodon;
• My Mastodon reply shows up on my site via Brid.gy;
• A like of that Mastodon reply shows up on my site (also courtesy of Brid.gy via Webmention).

Related, I’ve been playing around with mirroring my WP site as an instance with the ActivityPub plugin and have boosted posts with my more broadly followed mastodon.social account the same way you mentioned that you were doing with yours. Somehow I’m anecdotally finding that I get more responses/reactions with native posts that with these boosts. I’m curious what your experience has been with this strategy so far? I’m still just starting my experimentation here, but I do like the fact that I’m able to include richer presentation of wrapped links in my WordPress native posts which are seen in the Fediverse while Mastodon seems to strip them out or not allow them (see an example of this in the post above this reply).

#activitypub #activitypub-plugin #backfeed #brid-gy #fediverse #mastodon #posse #syndication #threaded-replies #webmention

https://boffosocko.com/2022/12/17/55812907/

There are a few missing pieces for the primacy of some of these ideas. The broader concept of the commonplace book predated Nelson and Bush by centuries and surely informed much (if not all) of their thinking about these ideas. It’s assuredly the case that people already had the ideas either in their heads or written down and the links between them existed only in their minds or to some extent in indices as can be found in the literature—John Locke had a particularly popular index method that was widely circulated.

The other piece I find missing is a more historical and anthropological one which Western culture has wholly discounted until recently. There’s a pattern around the world of indigenous peoples in primarily oral cultures using mnemonic techniques going back at least 40,000 years. Many of these techniques were built into daily life in ways heretofore unimagined in modern Western Culture, but which are a more deeply layered version of transclusion imagined here. In some sense they transcluded almost all of their most important knowledge into their daily lives. The primary difference is that all the information was stored visually and associatively in the minds of people rather than on paper (through literacy) or via computers. The best work I’ve seen on the subject is Lynne Kelly’s Knowledge and Power in Prehistoric Societies: Orality, Memory and the Transmission of Culture which has its own profound thesis and is underpinned by a great deal of archaeologic and anthropologic primary research. Given its density I recommend her short lecture Modern Memory, Ancient Methods which does a reasonable job of scratching the surface of these ideas.

Another fantastic historical precursor of these ideas can be found in ancient Jewish writings like the Mishnah which is often presented as an original, more ancient text surrounded by annotated interpretations which are surrounded by other re-interpretations on the same page. Remi Kalir and Antero Garcia have a good discussion of this in their book Annotation (MIT Press, 2019).

It would create a more layered and nuanced form of hypertext – something we’re exploring in the Digital Gardening movement. We could build accumulative, conversational exchanges with people on the level of the word, sentence, and paragraph, not the entire document. Authors could fix typos, write revisions, and push version updates that propogate across the web the same way we do with software. ❧

The Webmention spec allows for resending notifications and thus subsequent re-parsing and updating of content. This could be a signal sent to any links to the content that it had been updated and allow any translcuded pages to update if they wished.

Annotated on February 09, 2021 at 02:38PM

In this idealised utopia we obviously want to place value on sharing and curation as well as original creation, which means giving a small fraction of the payment to the re-publisher as well.We should note monetisation of all this content is optional. Some websites would allow their content to be transcluded for free, while others might charge hefty fees for a few sentences. If all goes well, we’d expect the majority of content on the web to be either free or priced at reasonable micro-amounts. ❧

While this is nice in theory, there’s a long road strewn with attempts at micropayments on the web. I see new ones every six months or so. (Here’s a recent one: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqrvNoDE35lFDUv2enkaEKuo6ATBj9GmL)

This also dramatically misses the idea of how copyright and intellectual property work in many countries with regard to fair use doctrine. For short quotes and excerpts almost anyone anywhere can do this for free already. It’s definitely nice and proper to credit the original, but as a society we already have norms for how to do this.

Annotated on February 09, 2021 at 02:46PM

Transclusion would make this whole scenario quite different. Let’s imagine this again… ❧

Many in the IndieWeb have already prototyped this using some open web standards. It’s embodied in the idea of media fragments and fragmentions, a portmanteau of the words fragment and Webmention.

A great example can be found at https://www.kartikprabhu.com/articles/marginalia

This reminds me that I need to kick my own server to fix the functionality on my main site and potentially add it to a few others.

Annotated on February 09, 2021 at 02:59PM

We can easily imagine transclusions going the way of the public comments section. ❧

There are definitely ways around this, particularly if it is done by the site owner instead of enabled by a third party system like News Genius or Hypothes.is.

Examples of this in the wild can be found at https://indieweb.org/annotation#Annotation_Sites_Enable_Abuse.

Annotated on February 09, 2021 at 03:04PM

#annotations #anthropology #archaeology #fragmentions #judaism #lynne-kelly #media-fragments #micropayments #mishnah #orality #transclusion #ui #webmention

https://boffosocko.com/2021/02/09/55786828/