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Live and recent posts from across the Fediverse tagged #transclusion, aggregated by home.social.

  1. RE: mastodon.social/@doriantaylor/

    “A meditation on the close of a veritable odyssey, and how Intertwingler—the application server I'm creating—is actually a frontal assault on link rot.”

    #hypertext #transclusion #caching #webserver

  2. RE: mastodon.social/@doriantaylor/

    “A meditation on the close of a veritable odyssey, and how Intertwingler—the application server I'm creating—is actually a frontal assault on link rot.”

    #hypertext #transclusion #caching #webserver

  3. RE: mastodon.social/@doriantaylor/

    “A meditation on the close of a veritable odyssey, and how Intertwingler—the application server I'm creating—is actually a frontal assault on link rot.”

    #hypertext #transclusion #caching #webserver

  4. RE: mastodon.social/@doriantaylor/

    “A meditation on the close of a veritable odyssey, and how Intertwingler—the application server I'm creating—is actually a frontal assault on link rot.”

    #hypertext #transclusion #caching #webserver

  5. RE: mastodon.social/@doriantaylor/

    “A meditation on the close of a veritable odyssey, and how Intertwingler—the application server I'm creating—is actually a frontal assault on link rot.”

    #hypertext #transclusion #caching #webserver

  6. If you've ever needed to consolidate content from multiple documents into one, you likely used copy and paste. But if you make edits, they have to be made to all involved files. Keep the documents separated but show them as a single document with Markdown file transclusion. #devonthink #devonthinktogo #markdown #transclusion #notetaking devontechnologies.com/blog/202

  7. I've moved *all* my reminders to #obsidian (#obsidianmp). It feels good to have notes and todos in one place... But the lack of notification (iOS) is so annoying! I understand that the app is not platform-specific, but without notifications, I forget some timely actions 🙄

    I could consider moving away, but I use #transclusion a lot. Without it, I can't manage stuff...

  8. @jnv I've been on a similar path. Still am actually 😅

    For #notes, if you wish to leverage on your #proton subscription (I'm a subscriber too!), you could way for standard notes.

    On my side, I've fallen in love with #obsidianmd. Steep learning curve, not #foss, but plugins and mechanisms like #transclusion are WOW 🤩
    I can describe more if you wish.

    For reminders, I've moved to a #synology and I sync calendars and notes together via #caldav. Works fantastic. BTW, #synology is extremely reliable and easy to install and maintain!

  9. I'm stuck with an #obsidian #transclusion issue 😢
    I want to embed a list, and currently, I can only include either a full section, or the last element of the list.

    Any ideas on how to either include the full list, or to exclude the section title (I've seen some #RSS but can't make them work)?

    Maybe my use case would be more handy for #logseq ?

    Full details here: forum.obsidian.md/t/insert-bul

    Thank you 🙏🏼

  10. @chriscoyier So, statically embedded #Mastodon posts on one's blog are basically a step to #transclusion.

    I love it. No need to pull entire React and Font Awesome for a mere toot (unacceptable!). And the clipping fits perfectly in your #WebDesign vision, just like you always meant it to look like!

  11. I would love for the Agora to be perceived as an homage to [[Ted Nelson]] and his work with #transclusion

  12. Regularly annoying: almost 60 years after invention of #hypertext still there is no simple standard method to deep-link to a chapter, figure or page of a document (or even allow its #transclusion).

  13. Everybody wants to talk about how #React is a waste of time, but what about AngularJS? What about that monumental pile of horseshit that everyone with a compsci degree insisted we use back in 2013? I've had four straight jobs where I was doing #ReactJS, and now everyone's complaining about it, but nobody says anything about that massive waste of time. #JavaScript #transclusion #webDev #frameworks #frontend

  14. First time using #Obsidian canvas with #transclusion - lots of possibilities...
    Will a canvas eventually be eligible for use as a template - to speed up the creation of a new canvas from a defined layout? (Aim is to have a layout to bootstrap an "OpenCanvas" document - as per #MozillaOpenLeaders project management advice: mozilla.github.io/open-leaders) Currently I'm saving a layout in templates directory & copy / pasting but first class template participation would be great #ObsidianMD

  15. and here I will discuss another another discovery I made using @TiddlyWiki filtered transclusions for interesting mapping of links onto other links

    🗂 ⟺ 🔗

    #transclusion #filteredtransclusion

  16. can anyone who loves #wiki #interoperability advise me on how to automate scraping to a #mediawiki instance from, eg. an obsidian repository, or otherwise best way to automate page creation/editing? also interested in #transclusion between mediawiki instances!! !/

  17. I love the layout and the fantastic live UI examples on this page.

    There are a few missing pieces for the primacy of some of these ideas. The broader concept of the commonplace book predated Nelson and Bush by centuries and surely informed much (if not all) of their thinking about these ideas. It’s assuredly the case that people already had the ideas either in their heads or written down and the links between them existed only in their minds or to some extent in indices as can be found in the literature—John Locke had a particularly popular index method that was widely circulated.

    The other piece I find missing is a more historical and anthropological one which Western culture has wholly discounted until recently. There’s a pattern around the world of indigenous peoples in primarily oral cultures using mnemonic techniques going back at least 40,000 years. Many of these techniques were built into daily life in ways heretofore unimagined in modern Western Culture, but which are a more deeply layered version of transclusion imagined here. In some sense they transcluded almost all of their most important knowledge into their daily lives. The primary difference is that all the information was stored visually and associatively in the minds of people rather than on paper (through literacy) or via computers. The best work I’ve seen on the subject is Lynne Kelly’s Knowledge and Power in Prehistoric Societies: Orality, Memory and the Transmission of Culture which has its own profound thesis and is underpinned by a great deal of archaeologic and anthropologic primary research. Given its density I recommend her short lecture Modern Memory, Ancient Methods which does a reasonable job of scratching the surface of these ideas.

    Another fantastic historical precursor of these ideas can be found in ancient Jewish writings like the Mishnah which is often presented as an original, more ancient text surrounded by annotated interpretations which are surrounded by other re-interpretations on the same page. Remi Kalir and Antero Garcia have a good discussion of this in their book Annotation (MIT Press, 2019).

    Image of a super-annotated page of Torah from chapter 3 of Annotation (MIT Press, 2019) by R. Kalir and A. Garcia

    It would create a more layered and nuanced form of hypertext – something we’re exploring in the Digital Gardening movement. We could build accumulative, conversational exchanges with people on the level of the word, sentence, and paragraph, not the entire document. Authors could fix typos, write revisions, and push version updates that propogate across the web the same way we do with software. 

    The Webmention spec allows for resending notifications and thus subsequent re-parsing and updating of content. This could be a signal sent to any links to the content that it had been updated and allow any translcuded pages to update if they wished.

    Annotated on February 09, 2021 at 02:38PM

    In this idealised utopia we obviously want to place value on sharing and curation as well as original creation, which means giving a small fraction of the payment to the re-publisher as well.We should note monetisation of all this content is optional. Some websites would allow their content to be transcluded for free, while others might charge hefty fees for a few sentences. If all goes well, we’d expect the majority of content on the web to be either free or priced at reasonable micro-amounts. 

    While this is nice in theory, there’s a long road strewn with attempts at micropayments on the web. I see new ones every six months or so. (Here’s a recent one: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqrvNoDE35lFDUv2enkaEKuo6ATBj9GmL)

    This also dramatically misses the idea of how copyright and intellectual property work in many countries with regard to fair use doctrine. For short quotes and excerpts almost anyone anywhere can do this for free already. It’s definitely nice and proper to credit the original, but as a society we already have norms for how to do this.

    Annotated on February 09, 2021 at 02:46PM

    Transclusion would make this whole scenario quite different. Let’s imagine this again… 

    Many in the IndieWeb have already prototyped this using some open web standards. It’s embodied in the idea of media fragments and fragmentions, a portmanteau of the words fragment and Webmention.

    A great example can be found at https://www.kartikprabhu.com/articles/marginalia

    This reminds me that I need to kick my own server to fix the functionality on my main site and potentially add it to a few others.

    Annotated on February 09, 2021 at 02:59PM

    We can easily imagine transclusions going the way of the public comments section. 

    There are definitely ways around this, particularly if it is done by the site owner instead of enabled by a third party system like News Genius or Hypothes.is.

    Examples of this in the wild can be found at https://indieweb.org/annotation#Annotation_Sites_Enable_Abuse.

    Annotated on February 09, 2021 at 03:04PM

    #annotations #anthropology #archaeology #fragmentions #judaism #lynne-kelly #media-fragments #micropayments #mishnah #orality #transclusion #ui #webmention

    https://boffosocko.com/2021/02/09/55786828/

  18. If one is worried about link rot for transclusion, why not just have a blockquote of the original in excerpt form along with a reference link to the original. Then you’ve got a permanent copy of the original and the link can send a webmention to it as a means of notification? If the original quoted page changes, it could potentially send a webmention (technically a salmention in function) to all the pages that had previously mentioned it to create updates. Automatic transclusion can also be more problematic in terms of original useful data being used as a vector of spam, graffiti, or other abuses. As an example, I can “transclude” a portion of your page onto my own website as a reply context for my comment and syndicate a copy to Hypothes.is. If you’ve got Webmentions on your site, you’ll get a notification. For several years now I’ve been considering why digital gardens/zettelkasten/commonplace books don’t implement webmention as a means of creating backlinks between wikis as a means of sites having conversations? Note: I’ve also gone in and annotated a copy of Maggie Appleton’s article with some additional thoughts that Aquiles Carattino and others may appreciate.

    #commonplace-books #salmention #transclusion #webmention

    https://boffosocko.com/2021/02/09/55786823/