#humansupremacy — Public Fediverse posts

@Geri

Communism is a stateless classless moneyless society where the means of production are collectively owned and necessities are discommodified,

Anarchism is the rejection of all authority here defined as the social construct of inherent right to be obeyed by designated inferiors.

Anarchism necessitates all the above qualifiers for communism, so in my view there is no anarchism that isn't also communist. But it also necessitates the dismantling of Human supremacy, state, patriarchy, ableism, sanism, white supremacy, cisheteromono-normativity, queermisia, sorry if I forgot anyone

And that gets into ideas from intersectional anarchism, veganarchism, anarcha-feminism, queer-anarchism, total liberation etc.

#Communism #Anarchism #AnarchoCommunism #HumanSupremacy #Patriarchy #Ableism #Sanism #WhiteSupremacy #Cisheteromononormativity #Queermisia #Veganarchism #AnarchaFeminism #QueerAnarchism #TotalLiberation

@muff

To the animals with a knife to their throat right now no action that I see vegans taking will be radical or extreme enough to save their lives. Every day vegans fail them, and we have limits yes but we should never prioritise our human-privilged comfort over their liberation (such as avoiding awkward conversations about why we wont sit at a table)

I think of all the things I would justify to escape the kill chamber myself and then I feel ready to take on the world with pride.

#Speciesism #HumanSupremacy #Veganism #Activism

Die Kinder glauben vielleicht, die Kuh wäre lila, aber die Erwachsenen glauben, die Kuh wäre glücklich.

#falsebeliefs #desilusioniert #Veganismus #Tierrechte #veganism #vegan #animalrights #justice #decency #speciesism #humansupremacy #Milch #Schokolade #Kinder #Mutter #Erwachsene

@thejessiekirk

If you genuinely think that the solution to bias in science is to just do science better then you really need to read some critical theory, maybe critical race theory or something (the concepts translate to lots of domains but i think this is the most written about)

And why did you refer to it as "animal research" rather than "non-human animal research"

Yes I am comparing it to racist IQ test because the concept of measurable intelligence was invented by racists and the concept still carries the same assumptions implicitly even if the explicit intentions were written out. And because the spore remains it translates quite nicely onto speciesism and human supremacy as I have outlined above

#Speciesism #HumanSupremacy #Racism #WhiteSupremacy #CriticalTheory

@thejessiekirk Science is not a vacuum it exists under the social system of human supremacy and is absolutely tainted by it regardless of professed ideals of objectivity - the scientific method is *resistant* to bias not imprevious to it - and human supremacy is probably the single most deeply held and longstanding bias there is

See critical theory thinking on bias in science https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_theory

#HumanSupremacy

@thejessiekirk I'm not dismissing that, I'm saying that common definitions of intelligence are human supremacist in nature "more like human = more intelligent" and that if your work rests on this foundation then you are furthering human supremacy

#HumanSupremacy

@thejessiekirk It is possible to study the behaviour of other animals scientifically - but the idea that it is based on an innate intelligence is speciesist and human supremacist. Intelligence is usually defined in ways that put humans on top, just like how IQ tests were usually and still sometimes are defined in ways that put white people on top.

#Speciesism #HumanSupremacy

@thejessiekirk Call it behavioral science then. Thats what we call it when we do it to humans. The idea that a species behaviour and culture should rest solely on their innate intelligence is a human supremacist idea. When we study human behaviour we consider all sorts of factors not just "intelligence" because for one we can't even define intelligence there are multiple competing theories.

#HumanSupremacy

@thejessiekirk Intelligence testing in non-humans is just racist pseudoscience repackaged as speciesist pseudoscience - they usually have extremely human supremacist and speciesist assumptions and methodology

Here is an example about how "intelligence" in other species is underestimated: the cow who was recently observed to use a brush as a multi-tool. They are a pet cow, which means they have the spare time and freedom to access and play with a brush to learn how to use it, but ask the average person about what science says about cows and they will say "they can't use tools they lack the intelligence thats what makes humans special"

And even when it is determined that a certain species is "intelligent" it just reinforces speciesism by creating a new classification of "intelligent" and "unintelligent" animals with different moral characteristics. Crows and elephants are considered intelligent because they have culture, memory and tool use but at what point in history have we allowed farmed animals the space and freedom to observe these behaviours from them?

#Speciesism #HumanSupremacy

All animals (at least all those that fall under the colloquial definition) are people because they all have personality memory preferences agency emotions etc

#Speciesism #HumanSupremacy

"Spineless" and "Brainless" (and derivatives) are speciesist microagressions.

Body parts & configurations are amoral. Spines aren't strength and brains aren't intelligence not that either of those makes someone worth more or less anyway.

But lookup the decentralised nervous system (DNS) of the jellyfish for example who have no spines or brains.

These are just two more terms that reinforce human supremacy (those non-humans more similar to humans deserve more ethical consideration)

Also related insults: "Worm", "Insect", "Maggot"

#Speciesism #Language #HumanSupremacy

"I got a disease the other day and I was going to go to the doctor until I realised its the circle of life and death and decomposition is a natural part of the food chain. It would be ridiculous to go and stop all disease in nature that would be bad for the environment because it would cause overpopulation. So I'm going to do the natural and sustainable thing and let myself die"

This is how a lot of carnists sound.

Life and death of other animals is in our hands, and we have a unique responsibility to wield that power with care and selflessness

"
>This is the way things are.
You can't change nature.

>Change *is* nature dad, the part that *we* can influence - and it starts when we decide
" - Ratatouille, 2007

#Veganism #Vegan #Speciesism #Antispeciesism #Carnism #HumanSupremacy

@burnoutqueen

Please do not compare pedophilia apologists to pigs

Pig shouldn't be an insult, it just shows how little humans respect pigs that their species is equated with fascism and racism and misogyny

I believe this is because humans hurt innocent pigs so much that they have come to hate all pigs because in pigs they see their own violence reflected back at them.

Its easier to hate pigs than to empathize

See what the pigs go through:
VVV
https://
nationearth.com

#Speciesism #HumanSupremacy #Pigs #Language

@benroyce

The idea that investment in meat alternatives will make more people stop eating flesh is an opinion you hold not me.

Plenty meat alternatives already exist and yet they are still not prevalent, they are just another product that is sold alongside flesh products - they are largely regarded by people who eat flesh as unhealthy and ultra processed

As long as people regard other animals as objects to be exploited then they will exploit them

Veganism is about much more than diet. Even if I were to accept your premise that meat substitutes at cost would end animal slaughter for meat, it wouldnt end slaughter in dairy or eggs, or for animal testing, or for leather fur silk down wool or in horse racing or dog racing or aquariums or bullfighting.

To oppose all this requires a consistent and principled opposition to exploitation that doesn't come by giving someone a cheaper burger.

#Veganism #Vegan #Speciesism #HumanSupremacy

@benroyce

I hear this a lot from carnists "I have no problem with veganism" and its like a kind of faux middle ground whereby because you respect my position I have to respect yours.

Simply no. Oppressing other creatures is not something I tolerate, and I really don't care about your approval of my position on that

Oh you don't object to me not killing innocent defenseless creatures? That's big of you.

#Speciesism #HumanSupremacy #Carnism #Veganism

@benroyce

Non-human victims can't wait for artificial meat to become less expensive than flesh. Maybe it will never happen, but if someone needs an identical replacement to flesh products to stop slitting an innocent creatures throat they are not an ally, and they would continue to perpetuate speciesism either way. There is no nutritional need for artificial meat either since all essential nutrients can be found on a plant based diet.[1]

The fact is people can choose to stop killing innocent animals who have done nothing to hurt them today, and every day they don't is a day creatures needlessly are tortured and killed for their selfish preferences

[1]
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39923894/]

#Vegan #Veganism #Speciesism #HumanSupremacy

@benroyce

Succeed at what? If the liberation isn't total liberation then its a failure. The means don't justify the ends. I will not ignore the oppression of non-human animals or of any oppressed group for some arbitrary notion of success

#TotalLiberation #Anarchism #Veganarchism #Veganism #Speciesism #HumanSupremacy

@cy

What is your point? That killing pigs is ok because everybody dies eventually? That would excuse all murder of humans too.

#Speciesism #HumanSupremacy #Pigs

@cy

If you kill a pig for your taste preference then you think a 15 minute meal you will forget about in a few days is worth more than that pigs entire life and experience,

Pigs play games, have social relationships, have preferences, personality, memory, they feel things, they want to live and be free.

We all bleed the same

Animal Emotions: Exploring Passionate Natures: Current interdisciplinary research provides compelling evidence that many animals experience such emotions as joy, fear, love, despair, and grief—we are not alone
<https://academic.oup.com/bioscience/article/50/10/861/233998>

#Speciesism #HumanSupremacy #Pigs

@cy

Its not about sustainability its that pigs have an inalienable right to life. If pig slaughterers can't see that then they are the ones who are dooming others to a terrible fate every day and either they stop doing that or they are a threat to liberty.

Of course I could be wrong about anything, you're welcome to argue why pigs don't deserve to live if you want.

"Liking bacon" is almost exactly the same as killing them yourself. If you pay an assassin to kill someone you share about half the accountability

#Speciesism #HumanSupremacy #Pigs #Vegan #Veganism

@cy

That's the problem though, "those who like bacon" are holding others in bondage, and I'm not going to throw pigs under the bus by ignoring that violation of liberty for my own benefit

I'm an intersectional anarchist, I dont compromise on anybody's rights when organizing: no exceptions. We need to start as we mean to go on otherwise we will reproduce systems of oppression forever

See what non-human victims go through
VVV
https://nationearth.com

#Speciesism #HumanSupremacy #Pigs #TotalLiberation #Intersectionality

@log

Why would it be insufficient, what would be sufficient. Why is it sufficient in the case of abandoned human babies but not for chickens?

#Speciesism #HumanSupremacy #Chickens

@log

Sure thats a definition I can work with for now: I am arguing that it is immoral not to grant right to life to chickens, because they can feel things.

#Speciesism #HumanSupremacy #Ethics

@log

This doesn't answer the question, if a human baby has no "property owners" as you call them or their "property owners" want to eat them, then what would be the difference between that and eating a chicken you "own"

#Speciesism #HumanSupremacy #Chickens

@log

I think that name the trait is a better symmetry breaker against speceisism.

What trait does an abandoned baby human possess that a chicken does not that makes it ok to kill and eat the chicken but not the human?

#Speciesism #Carnism #HumanSupremacy

@leftyknowitall @jlou

If historical diet affects your health thats more reason to change to a plant based diet (especially given the ties to humanities highest mortality diseases), when a human gets a little bit sick then apparently we should defer to the human's experience, and damn any other creatures that have to die for the continuation of that diet

#Specieisism #HumanSupremacy

@log

Ok so killing defenseless innocent chickens who have done nothing to hurt you is ok to you because no one has held you at knifepoint and forced you to stop yet. Is that really what you want this to come to?

Might makes right is a fascist position, and you wouldnt feel that way if you were in the death camps.

You are unable to think about things from the victims perspective because as I said earlier you have motivated reasoning: you enjoy the privileges of human supremacy and you see giving that up as an existential attack on you.

#Ethics #Speciesism #HumanSupremacy #Chickens

@log @jlou

You think human children are property, why do you care about guardianship being beneficial to human children but not that owning other creatures should be beneficial to those other creatures.

What is the trait difference between a human child and a chicken legally owned by a human that makes it ok to kill and eat one but not the other, neither human children nor chickens can defend your rights in a war

#Ethics #Speciesism #HumanSupremacy #Chickens #YouthLiberation

@log @jlou

You think human children are property, why do you care about guardianship being beneficial to human children but not that owning other creatures should be beneficial to those other creatures.

What is the trait difference between a human child and a chicken legally owned by a human that makes it ok to kill and eat one but not the other, neither human children nor chickens can defend your rights in a war

#Ethics #Speciesism #HumanSupremacy #Chickens #YouthLiberation

@log @jlou

You think human children are property, why do you care about guardianship being beneficial to human children but not that owning other creatures should be beneficial to those other creatures.

What is the trait difference between a human child and a chicken legally owned by a human that makes it ok to kill and eat one but not the other, neither human children nor chickens can defend your rights in a war

#Ethics #Speciesism #HumanSupremacy #Chickens #YouthLiberation

@log @jlou

You think human children are property, why do you care about guardianship being beneficial to human children but not that owning other creatures should be beneficial to those other creatures.

What is the trait difference between a human child and a chicken legally owned by a human that makes it ok to kill and eat one but not the other, neither human children nor chickens can defend your rights in a war

#Ethics #Speciesism #HumanSupremacy #Chickens #YouthLiberation

@log @jlou

You think human children are property, why do you care about guardianship being beneficial to human children but not that owning other creatures should be beneficial to those other creatures.

What is the trait difference between a human child and a chicken legally owned by a human that makes it ok to kill and eat one but not the other, neither human children nor chickens can defend your rights in a war

#Ethics #Speciesism #HumanSupremacy #Chickens #YouthLiberation

@log

I know what the social contract is in relation to political philosophy, I'm familiar with Hobbes, what I'm curious about is how it relates to your personal understanding of why you get to hurt innocent chickens

What precisely about the specific social contract you are invoking means that you should be allowed to hurt chickens who have done nothing to hurt you

#Ethics #ThomasHobbes #SocialContract #PoliticalPhilosophy #Chickens #Speciesism #HumanSupremacy

Don't tolerate hate
Don't tolerate speciesist human supremacist hate and carnism

#Vegan #Veganism #HumanSupremacy #Carnism #Speciesism

@midtsveen

What gets me is how the death of celebrities is treated as a unique tragedy that everyone is obligated to pay respects to but the deaths of thousands of palestinian children or billions of defenseless non-humans in the animal agriculture industry is just a statistic and "just the way things are"

#HumanSupremacy #Speciesism #Carnism #Palestine #GazaWar #Genocide #GazaGenocide #Gaza #Israel #IDF #IsraelDefenceForces

Bull fighting is disgusting heartless violence where a bull is physically tortured until they fight back and are killed for sport

Rodeos are disgusting heartless violence where a bull is physically tortured until they fight back and are ridden for sport

Culture never justifies abuse

You are responsible for being better than the culture that you were raised in

#BullFighting #Rodeo #HumanSupremacy #Speciesism #AntiSpeciesism #Vegan #Veganism

@burnoutqueen

Veganism is not a lifestyle it is an ethical stance against the exploitation of non-human animals and is part of the extension of the anti hierarchy stance of anarchism to include the abolition of the hierarchy of speciesism

The idea that veganism is a personal choice is just another way that non-human lives are devalued below the trivial interests of humans

So its like saying feminism is a lifestyle for example, maybe if you stretch the definition a lot you could call it that

Agreed that sexuality and gender aren't lifestyles either

#HumanSupremacy #Speciesism #TotalLiberation #Vegan

I've seen people mention how white people care now a white person has been killed by fascists and I agree but also humans kill an amount of non human land mammals equal to the human population every couple months: an unfathomable amount of suffering and we don't see a fraction of the disgust and resistance.

Humans today by and large are pretty selfish but that doesn't mean we have to continue to be this way.

See what they go through
V
https://nationearth.com

#HumanSupremacy #WhiteSupremacy #Speciesism #Racism #Vegan #Carnism #ReneeGood #Minneapolis #Minnesota #ICE #ImmigrationCustomsEnforcement #DHS #DepartmentOfHomelandSecurity #USA #UnitedStatesOfAmerica #Protest

@SecurityWriter

Leveraging parasocial relationships for government propoganda is a bad thing.

I hate labour, blaming trans people and migrants and disabled people

Labour is arresting peaceful protestors for holding signs

Labour isnt doing what is necessary to avert climate catastrophe

And labour supports the perpetual holocaust of farmed animals giving subsidies to animal abusers and murderers

#UnitedKingdom #UK #LabourPartyUK #Queermisia #Racism #ClimateCrisis #Palestine #Israel #Gaza #GazaGenocide #Genocide #Ableism #Benefits #Propoganda #Specieisism #Carnism #HumanSupremacy

@SecurityWriter

Leveraging parasocial relationships for government propoganda is a bad thing.

I hate labour, blaming trans people and migrants and disabled people

Labour is arresting peaceful protestors for holding signs

Labour isnt doing what is necessary to avert climate catastrophe

And labour supports the perpetual holocaust of farmed animals giving subsidies to animal abusers and murderers

#UnitedKingdom #UK #LabourPartyUK #Queermisia #Racism #ClimateCrisis #Palestine #Israel #Gaza #GazaGenocide #Genocide #Ableism #Benefits #Propoganda #Specieisism #Carnism #HumanSupremacy

@SecurityWriter

Leveraging parasocial relationships for government propoganda is a bad thing.

I hate labour, blaming trans people and migrants and disabled people

Labour is arresting peaceful protestors for holding signs

Labour isnt doing what is necessary to avert climate catastrophe

And labour supports the perpetual holocaust of farmed animals giving subsidies to animal abusers and murderers

#UnitedKingdom #UK #LabourPartyUK #Queermisia #Racism #ClimateCrisis #Palestine #Israel #Gaza #GazaGenocide #Genocide #Ableism #Benefits #Propoganda #Specieisism #Carnism #HumanSupremacy

@SecurityWriter

Leveraging parasocial relationships for government propoganda is a bad thing.

I hate labour, blaming trans people and migrants and disabled people

Labour is arresting peaceful protestors for holding signs

Labour isnt doing what is necessary to avert climate catastrophe

And labour supports the perpetual holocaust of farmed animals giving subsidies to animal abusers and murderers

#UnitedKingdom #UK #LabourPartyUK #Queermisia #Racism #ClimateCrisis #Palestine #Israel #Gaza #GazaGenocide #Genocide #Ableism #Benefits #Propoganda #Specieisism #Carnism #HumanSupremacy

@burnoutqueen

Sexism and Speciesism are also deeply linked, the viewing of bodies as property, the viewing of bodies as a baby making machine, seeings bodies as interchangeable status symbols or marks of wealth, the pseudo scientific classification of different "intelligence levels" to classify moral worth and the naturalisation and normalisation of an invented hierarchy man>woman>child>pet>livestock>wild animals

Is it any surprise that misogynists use animal names as sexist insults? Pig and cow most commonly but less commonly "animal" "livestock" "sow" "heifer" "breeder"

Trans women, in subverting the commonly acknowledged hierarchy of man>woman>child also subvert the less commonly acknowledged norm of human supremacism just by virtue of it all being part of the same dominance hierarchy I can easily imagine a nazi saying "treat women as equal?? Sure I'll let the dog and the cow vote next too"

If you want to read more about this from a feminist perspective I have been highly recommended The Sexual Politics of Meat by Carol J Adams on multiple occasions but haven't found the time to read it yet

#Speciesism #Sexism #Patriarchy #TotalLiberation #Intersectionality #HumanSupremacy #Nazi

@grootinside This is an informal fallacy called whataboutism, by far the worst thing humans do is the animal agriculture industry and instead of supporting people working to oppose that your first response is to get out the microscope and point to every little harmful system were all forced into

Yes theres no ethical consumption under capitalism but that doesn't mean a vegan who gets the train to work that might kill insects is the same as someone who pays for multiple animals to be killed explicitly for their own sensory pleasure

We cant address the more embedded human supremacist systems if we're not even allowed to critique carnism without being called a hypocrite

#Specieisism #Carnism #HumanSupremacy

Carnist and speciesist assumptions make their way into games in many ways, its almost always more satiating to eat flesh in survival games even when abundant plant sources are available, other animals are often treated as resources or objects even when other resource gathering mechanics are available killing other animals is often the only way to progress.

With alien species, if theyre humanoid theyre usually friendly if theyre non-humanoid especially if theyre spiders centipedes or worms or sometimes other bugs theyre hostile

Also many cozy games portray fishing as relaxing when its literally impaling someones mouth with a hook

Sometimes other animals are even reduced to the point of set dressing and killing them has no benefit or drawback whatsoever and their body disappears in a few seconds

In the pokemon series one of the games antagonists are a non human animal rights group, this was undoubtedly a response to critique of the game being pro exploitation and confinement but it comes accross as them doubling down

These things matter not because simulated animals matter but because normalisation of speciesist assumptions subconsciously affects us and it says something about the values game developers have. Thats not to say that fiction can't have elements of speciesism, fictional worlds can be morally imperfect without narratively framing carnism or speciesism as normal natural and necessary.

#Gaming #Speciesism #Antispeciesism #HumanSupremacy #Carnism

If you consume animal products watch Earthlings

See what they go through you owe it to your better self and to them

https://nationearth.com

#Vegan #Speciesism #Earthlings #Carnism #HumanSupremacy

"Non-human animals waste water/land/resources" is still human supremacist and speciesist framing that classes non humans as resources not individuals. When there's "too many" humans we don't say they waste resources; their life and individual experience is intrinsically valuable and I shouldn't need to explain why mass human killing or forced sterilization isnt a "solution" to overpopulation

Generally vegans would say that eating plant based would cause flesh farmers to breed less non human animals into existence and so its not the same as being responsible for the death of "overpopulated" species and that would be fine by itself but the mindset of treating too many non-human animals as a problem whos solution is always "reduce their population" and human overpopulation as potentially having other solutions is speciesist and risks promoting human supremacist eugenicism

#Vegan #Speciesism #Carnism #ClimateCrisis #Eugenicism #Overpopulation #HumanSupremacy