#carnism — Public Fediverse posts
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@IndyRichard
@Naich
@Quasit
@falcennial
@quinn
@PaulNickson
@Threadbane
@flaubau
@Simon318ppm
@fartnuggets
@cy
@emersunn
@eco-g
@cameraobscura
@jmcrookston
@nando161
@freediverx
@aethernaut
@falcennial
@quinn
@PaulNickson(and I’ve probably missed some who have also answered here)
No idea why but @PaulNickson must have had a reason to tag me 😄 Thanks, because interesting and relevant thread.
Methinks that no single of the mentioned -isms is to blame, they all go hand in hand, and IMO we need to add #carnism to the list also – there must have been a time when most of us could have quit exploiting and murdering the other animals. Or is that time now? At least for most of us?
(Not talking about indigenous people who might not have – subjectively or objectively – other ways to feed themselved and their kin.)
And NO, @IndyRichard, def. not “too negative”.
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Perhaps those 70% think their personality will disappear when they stop the meat-eating?
Carnism is very strong and meat is linked to masculinity by society in an absolute absurd way…#meat #men #vegan #compassionissexy #carnism #carnisme #meme #veganmeme #study #veganism #evolution #nomeatnononsense #meatfree #veganfuture
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Perhaps those 70% think their personality will disappear when they stop the meat-eating?
Carnism is very strong and meat is linked to masculinity by society in an absolute absurd way…#meat #men #vegan #compassionissexy #carnism #carnisme #meme #veganmeme #study #veganism #evolution #nomeatnononsense #meatfree #veganfuture
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Perhaps those 70% think their personality will disappear when they stop the meat-eating?
Carnism is very strong and meat is linked to masculinity by society in an absolute absurd way…#meat #men #vegan #compassionissexy #carnism #carnisme #meme #veganmeme #study #veganism #evolution #nomeatnononsense #meatfree #veganfuture
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Perhaps those 70% think their personality will disappear when they stop the meat-eating?
Carnism is very strong and meat is linked to masculinity by society in an absolute absurd way…#meat #men #vegan #compassionissexy #carnism #carnisme #meme #veganmeme #study #veganism #evolution #nomeatnononsense #meatfree #veganfuture
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Perhaps those 70% think their personality will disappear when they stop the meat-eating?
Carnism is very strong and meat is linked to masculinity by society in an absolute absurd way…#meat #men #vegan #compassionissexy #carnism #carnisme #meme #veganmeme #study #veganism #evolution #nomeatnononsense #meatfree #veganfuture
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I am a paying subscriber of several years for tutamail and I am also an antispeciesist vegan
I like tutamail because of the commitment to renewable energy[1] and quantum resistant encrypted private emails; put the two together and there is nothing else like it I can think of.
I have a suggestion - I noticed that the junkmail folder is called "Spam" and features an icon of a bug.
"Spam" is a speciesist phrase as I outline in this short post
https://veganism.social/@ambiguous_yelp/115878036888467050and "Bug" to symbolize a pest/error is speciesist as I explained in this short post
https://veganism.social/@ambiguous_yelp/115970417941403799My suggestion is to rename this folder to "Junkmail" or equivalent and change the icon to perhaps a crossed circle icon or an exclamation mark or a halt hand gesture or if you wanted to be jokey about it a toilet
If there was a more appropriate place to submit this feedback I couldn't find it
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"I got a disease the other day and I was going to go to the doctor until I realised its the circle of life and death and decomposition is a natural part of the food chain. It would be ridiculous to go and stop all disease in nature that would be bad for the environment because it would cause overpopulation. So I'm going to do the natural and sustainable thing and let myself die"
This is how a lot of carnists sound.
Life and death of other animals is in our hands, and we have a unique responsibility to wield that power with care and selflessness
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>This is the way things are.
You can't change nature.>Change *is* nature dad, the part that *we* can influence - and it starts when we decide
" - Ratatouille, 2007#Veganism #Vegan #Speciesism #Antispeciesism #Carnism #HumanSupremacy
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I know that I care about the killing of animals and I also don't believe that investing in meat alternatives is the best way to save them
It is possible for someone to just genuinely disagree with you about a strategy, especially towards a goal that you have no personal interest towards.
I fight speciesism the root of carnism.
My activism is not limited to discussions but it would always be a bigger part that investing in technology
Imagine if you told a slavery abolitionist they need to invest more in automated machinery to change the economic reality and make slavery unprofitable - Firstly it wouldn't change fast enough and there would be no guarantee you could even do it ever, secondly it wouldnt address the core of the rot which in this and my case would be bigoted discrimination
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I hear this a lot from carnists "I have no problem with veganism" and its like a kind of faux middle ground whereby because you respect my position I have to respect yours.
Simply no. Oppressing other creatures is not something I tolerate, and I really don't care about your approval of my position on that
Oh you don't object to me not killing innocent defenseless creatures? That's big of you.
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I consider myself an extremist, I don't tolerate speciesism or human supremacy in any form.
Carnism is rooted in speciesism, so for that and other reasons speciesism has to go
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I think that name the trait is a better symmetry breaker against speceisism.
What trait does an abandoned baby human possess that a chicken does not that makes it ok to kill and eat the chicken but not the human?
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Because there isn't a globalized industrialized mass slaughter industry for bonobos, billions of chickens are murdered every year
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Don't tolerate hate
Don't tolerate speciesist human supremacist hate and carnism -
What gets me is how the death of celebrities is treated as a unique tragedy that everyone is obligated to pay respects to but the deaths of thousands of palestinian children or billions of defenseless non-humans in the animal agriculture industry is just a statistic and "just the way things are"
#HumanSupremacy #Speciesism #Carnism #Palestine #GazaWar #Genocide #GazaGenocide #Gaza #Israel #IDF #IsraelDefenceForces
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What gets me is how the death of celebrities is treated as a unique tragedy that everyone is obligated to pay respects to but the deaths of thousands of palestinian children or billions of defenseless non-humans in the animal agriculture industry is just a statistic and "just the way things are"
#HumanSupremacy #Speciesism #Carnism #Palestine #GazaWar #Genocide #GazaGenocide #Gaza #Israel #IDF #IsraelDefenceForces
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What gets me is how the death of celebrities is treated as a unique tragedy that everyone is obligated to pay respects to but the deaths of thousands of palestinian children or billions of defenseless non-humans in the animal agriculture industry is just a statistic and "just the way things are"
#HumanSupremacy #Speciesism #Carnism #Palestine #GazaWar #Genocide #GazaGenocide #Gaza #Israel #IDF #IsraelDefenceForces
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What gets me is how the death of celebrities is treated as a unique tragedy that everyone is obligated to pay respects to but the deaths of thousands of palestinian children or billions of defenseless non-humans in the animal agriculture industry is just a statistic and "just the way things are"
#HumanSupremacy #Speciesism #Carnism #Palestine #GazaWar #Genocide #GazaGenocide #Gaza #Israel #IDF #IsraelDefenceForces
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Industrial agriculture is if nothing else space efficient because they pack lots of animals into as small a land footprint as they can get away with. Backyard farms necessarily use more land unless you intend to squash pigs into pens they can't turn around in you wont beat the land use of industrial animal agriculture.
As I mentioned in another comment trophic-energy loss means that around 90% of the energy an animal eats is "lost" to the environment as heat and waste meaning you get 10% of the calories back out when you eat them and that is not tied to any particular mode of production
At the end of the day they want to live and be free just like you and me and all these ecological arguments dont change the fact that its not fair. If human life is an inalienable right then what trait do pigs lack that means they dont deserve to live?
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This is a false equivalence, cat and dog flesh and secretions arent shoved into nearly every product you can find at the store. It's not just harder to avoid cow pig and chicken flesh in food because of individual speciesism but also because of systemic speciesism
I can see what they were going for that carnism in general is based on speciesism but the execution is bad
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Consensus has never been proof.
#vegan #veganism #carnism #speciesism #cognitivedissonance #govegen #veganuary #socialjustice #animalrights
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Consensus has never been proof.
#vegan #veganism #carnism #speciesism #cognitivedissonance #govegen #veganuary #socialjustice #animalrights
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Consensus has never been proof.
#vegan #veganism #carnism #speciesism #cognitivedissonance #govegen #veganuary #socialjustice #animalrights
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Consensus has never been proof.
#vegan #veganism #carnism #speciesism #cognitivedissonance #govegen #veganuary #socialjustice #animalrights
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Speciesism, racism, sexism, ableism, ageism, queermisia etc are all part of the same ideology of domination and supremacy and exploitation "they are objectively below us and it is our natural right to exploit and discard them and they have no right to fight back"
When you look at carnism through this lens it becomes obvious why anarchism and veganism are part of the same ideology that exists in opposition to domination in opposition to supremacy and in opposition to exploitation
#Speciesism #Racism #Sexism #Ableism #Ageism #Cisnormativity #Heteronormativity #Mononormativity #Carnism #Anarchism #Veganism #Veganarchism #QueerAnarchim #AnarchaFeminism #Queermisia
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Speciesism, racism, sexism, ableism, ageism, queermisia etc are all part of the same ideology of domination and supremacy and exploitation "they are objectively below us and it is our natural right to exploit and discard them and they have no right to fight back"
When you look at carnism through this lens it becomes obvious why anarchism and veganism are part of the same ideology that exists in opposition to domination in opposition to supremacy and in opposition to exploitation
#Speciesism #Racism #Sexism #Ableism #Ageism #Cisnormativity #Heteronormativity #Mononormativity #Carnism #Anarchism #Veganism #Veganarchism #QueerAnarchim #AnarchaFeminism #Queermisia
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Speciesism, racism, sexism, ableism, ageism, queermisia etc are all part of the same ideology of domination and supremacy and exploitation "they are objectively below us and it is our natural right to exploit and discard them and they have no right to fight back"
When you look at carnism through this lens it becomes obvious why anarchism and veganism are part of the same ideology that exists in opposition to domination in opposition to supremacy and in opposition to exploitation
#Speciesism #Racism #Sexism #Ableism #Ageism #Cisnormativity #Heteronormativity #Mononormativity #Carnism #Anarchism #Veganism #Veganarchism #QueerAnarchim #AnarchaFeminism #Queermisia
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Speciesism, racism, sexism, ableism, ageism, queermisia etc are all part of the same ideology of domination and supremacy and exploitation "they are objectively below us and it is our natural right to exploit and discard them and they have no right to fight back"
When you look at carnism through this lens it becomes obvious why anarchism and veganism are part of the same ideology that exists in opposition to domination in opposition to supremacy and in opposition to exploitation
#Speciesism #Racism #Sexism #Ableism #Ageism #Cisnormativity #Heteronormativity #Mononormativity #Carnism #Anarchism #Veganism #Veganarchism #QueerAnarchim #AnarchaFeminism #Queermisia
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Speciesism, racism, sexism, ableism, ageism, queermisia etc are all part of the same ideology of domination and supremacy and exploitation "they are objectively below us and it is our natural right to exploit and discard them and they have no right to fight back"
When you look at carnism through this lens it becomes obvious why anarchism and veganism are part of the same ideology that exists in opposition to domination in opposition to supremacy and in opposition to exploitation
#Speciesism #Racism #Sexism #Ableism #Ageism #Cisnormativity #Heteronormativity #Mononormativity #Carnism #Anarchism #Veganism #Veganarchism #QueerAnarchim #AnarchaFeminism #Queermisia
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I'm reposting something from a couple of months ago to add a list of better words to say at the end
The word "spam" meaning to flood a place with unwanted messages comes from a carnist joke made by Monty Python in which the capitalist product Spam is mythologized as an archetypal unwanted worthless repetition. A murder victims body reduced to a literal throw-away joke depicting their mangled corpse as nothing more than a nuisance. The company that killed them "Spam company" is remembered more readily than the victim
some alternative words you could consider: slop (n.), flood (v.) gibberish (n.) junkmail (n.) solicit (v.) solicitations (n.) offtopic (adj.) disrupt (v.) disruption (n.)
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I've seen people mention how white people care now a white person has been killed by fascists and I agree but also humans kill an amount of non human land mammals equal to the human population every couple months: an unfathomable amount of suffering and we don't see a fraction of the disgust and resistance.
Humans today by and large are pretty selfish but that doesn't mean we have to continue to be this way.
See what they go through
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https://nationearth.com#HumanSupremacy #WhiteSupremacy #Speciesism #Racism #Vegan #Carnism #ReneeGood #Minneapolis #Minnesota #ICE #ImmigrationCustomsEnforcement #DHS #DepartmentOfHomelandSecurity #USA #UnitedStatesOfAmerica #Protest
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I don't expect anyone to go vegan for me, I expect them to go vegan because theres no excuse for animal abuse. You used the word within boundaries and its doing a lot of heavy lifting if you think killing innocent creatures when we can get all the same nutrients from plants is an excusable fault
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CW: Cocktails and food (meat)
Carnism and speciesism mirror foundations of ableism in that individuals are ranked based on the value their bodies can provide to the oppressor class that extracts value from them.
When pigs develop mental illness from confinement and bite eachothers tails off they cut out teeth and tails at birth with no anaesthetic[1]
When pigs dont grow fast enough they kill them in the cheapest way possible sometimes by whacking them in the head with a hammer whatever is cheapest and quickest
When pigs develop infections due to unsanitary cramped conditions they kill them
When breeding pigs stop performing their breeding duties they kill them
The commercialization and objectification of bodies as money making objects is a central foundation of patriarchy, ableism, racism, colonialism and speciesism.
If you think that humans are uniquely justified to enact this objectification against pigs I would direct you to the soutrces in the above post and ask why why are pigs worth so much less than humans that their one chance at life and their entire experience is worth less to you than a 15m meal.
#Specieism #Carnism #Ableism #Patriarchy #Racism #Colonialism
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CW: Cocktails and food (meat)
All essential nutrients can be found on a plant based diet[1] and its almost always cheaper[7][8] because its thermodynamically inefficient to filter nutrients through someone elses body[6]
Pigs are thinking[4] feeling[3] creatures with personality preferences memory and emotion[2][5]
If you could talk to them what would you tell that pig is the reason they need to die for you?[1]
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39923894/[2]
https://academic.oup.com/bioscience/article/50/10/861/233998[3]
http://fcmconference.org/img/CambridgeDeclarationOnConsciousness.pdf[4]
https://sentientmedia.org/pig-intelligence/[5]
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/not-bad-science/can-pigs-empathize/[6]
https://www.britannica.com/science/trophic-pyramid[7]
https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-11-11-sustainable-eating-cheaper-and-healthier-oxford-study[8]
https://veganuary.com/vegan-meals-cost-40-percent-less-than-meat-fish/ -
Where are all these carnists of conscience who care so much about the conditions of death but not at all that the death is completely unnecessary and cruel?
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Leveraging parasocial relationships for government propoganda is a bad thing.
I hate labour, blaming trans people and migrants and disabled people
Labour is arresting peaceful protestors for holding signs
Labour isnt doing what is necessary to avert climate catastrophe
And labour supports the perpetual holocaust of farmed animals giving subsidies to animal abusers and murderers
#UnitedKingdom #UK #LabourPartyUK #Queermisia #Racism #ClimateCrisis #Palestine #Israel #Gaza #GazaGenocide #Genocide #Ableism #Benefits #Propoganda #Specieisism #Carnism #HumanSupremacy
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Leveraging parasocial relationships for government propoganda is a bad thing.
I hate labour, blaming trans people and migrants and disabled people
Labour is arresting peaceful protestors for holding signs
Labour isnt doing what is necessary to avert climate catastrophe
And labour supports the perpetual holocaust of farmed animals giving subsidies to animal abusers and murderers
#UnitedKingdom #UK #LabourPartyUK #Queermisia #Racism #ClimateCrisis #Palestine #Israel #Gaza #GazaGenocide #Genocide #Ableism #Benefits #Propoganda #Specieisism #Carnism #HumanSupremacy
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Leveraging parasocial relationships for government propoganda is a bad thing.
I hate labour, blaming trans people and migrants and disabled people
Labour is arresting peaceful protestors for holding signs
Labour isnt doing what is necessary to avert climate catastrophe
And labour supports the perpetual holocaust of farmed animals giving subsidies to animal abusers and murderers
#UnitedKingdom #UK #LabourPartyUK #Queermisia #Racism #ClimateCrisis #Palestine #Israel #Gaza #GazaGenocide #Genocide #Ableism #Benefits #Propoganda #Specieisism #Carnism #HumanSupremacy
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Leveraging parasocial relationships for government propoganda is a bad thing.
I hate labour, blaming trans people and migrants and disabled people
Labour is arresting peaceful protestors for holding signs
Labour isnt doing what is necessary to avert climate catastrophe
And labour supports the perpetual holocaust of farmed animals giving subsidies to animal abusers and murderers
#UnitedKingdom #UK #LabourPartyUK #Queermisia #Racism #ClimateCrisis #Palestine #Israel #Gaza #GazaGenocide #Genocide #Ableism #Benefits #Propoganda #Specieisism #Carnism #HumanSupremacy