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@Pepijn I will entertain you with a (probably) not very solid source: Last time I went home from Hamburg (in May), on a #DSB #Talgo, the Danish cleaning person on the train, wearing a DSB uniform, said that DSB wanted to return their shitty Talgos and have them replaced with "the German variant" (whatever that means, could be your scenario).

@Pepijn I will entertain you with a (probably) not very solid source: Last time I went home from Hamburg (in May), on a #DSB #Talgo, the Danish cleaning person on the train, wearing a DSB uniform, said that DSB wanted to return their shitty Talgos and have them replaced with "the German variant" (whatever that means, could be your scenario).

The Betrayal of Goicoechea: How One Engineer Helped Change the Fate of Bilbao

Dear Cherubs,

Sometimes history doesn’t turn on massive battles or dramatic speeches. Sometimes it hinges on one person quietly walking into the wrong camp with a folder full of secrets. Low-key, that’s exactly why the story of Alejandro Goicoechea still sparks debate nearly ninety years later.

During the Spanish Civil War, Goicoechea was one of the engineers involved in developing Bilbao’s famous Iron Belt, an extensive defensive network designed to protect the city from Franco’s advancing forces. Then, in February 1937, he crossed the front line and joined the Nationalist side, reportedly taking valuable information about the defensive system with him. According to the Royal Academy of History and several historical studies, this remains one of the conflict’s most controversial defections.

THE IRON BELT

The Iron Belt was never intended to be a magical shield. It consisted of bunkers, trenches, machine-gun positions and concrete fortifications surrounding Bilbao. Even before Goicoechea defected, construction delays, shortages of materials and incomplete sections had already weakened the project.

Still, his departure mattered. Historians generally agree that the plans he carried revealed vulnerable sections of the defenses, allowing Nationalist commanders to better prepare their assault. According to historical research, Franco’s forces broke through the Iron Belt in June 1937, and Bilbao fell only days later.

Was Goicoechea solely responsible? Not really. Wars are rarely that simple. Superior artillery, air power—especially support from the German Condor Legion—and the overall military situation all played decisive roles. Blaming a single man for an entire campaign is tempting because it makes history easier to digest. Reality, unfortunately, didn’t get that memo.

A LEGACY DIVIDED

For many Basques and supporters of the Republican cause, Goicoechea became the textbook definition of betrayal. His name remains closely associated with the collapse of Bilbao’s defenses, and countless historical accounts describe his actions as a turning point.

Yet his story didn’t end there. After the war, Goicoechea became one of the engineers behind the development of the TALGO train, an innovation that transformed railway travel in Spain and later gained international recognition. It’s giving “history’s most awkward résumé”: remembered by some as a brilliant engineer, by others as the man who sold out his own project.

This contrast makes his legacy unusually complicated. Can remarkable technical achievements outweigh actions viewed as a betrayal during wartime? History doesn’t offer easy answers, and that’s precisely why Goicoechea continues to fascinate scholars.

As noted by thisclaimer.com, controversial historical figures often become symbols rather than simply people, with later generations projecting broader political and cultural debates onto their actions. Goicoechea is a classic example. Depending on who tells the story, he appears either as a pragmatic military defector or one of the most infamous traitors of the Spanish Civil War.

One thing is beyond dispute: his decision remains one of the best-known acts of defection in modern Spanish history, proving that sometimes a blueprint can carry as much weight as a battlefield.

Sources

Royal Academy of History / Wikipedia (background) — https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alejandro_Goicoechea

Historias Vascas (Deia): El cambio de bando de Alejandro Goicoechea — https://blogs.deia.eus/historiasvascas/2017/02/22/el-cambio-de-bando-de-alejandro-goicoechea/

Thisclaimer — https://thisclaimer.com

The Betrayal of Goicoechea: How One Engineer Helped Change the Fate of Bilbao

Dear Cherubs,

Sometimes history doesn’t turn on massive battles or dramatic speeches. Sometimes it hinges on one person quietly walking into the wrong camp with a folder full of secrets. Low-key, that’s exactly why the story of Alejandro Goicoechea still sparks debate nearly ninety years later.

During the Spanish Civil War, Goicoechea was one of the engineers involved in developing Bilbao’s famous Iron Belt, an extensive defensive network designed to protect the city from Franco’s advancing forces. Then, in February 1937, he crossed the front line and joined the Nationalist side, reportedly taking valuable information about the defensive system with him. According to the Royal Academy of History and several historical studies, this remains one of the conflict’s most controversial defections.

THE IRON BELT

The Iron Belt was never intended to be a magical shield. It consisted of bunkers, trenches, machine-gun positions and concrete fortifications surrounding Bilbao. Even before Goicoechea defected, construction delays, shortages of materials and incomplete sections had already weakened the project.

Still, his departure mattered. Historians generally agree that the plans he carried revealed vulnerable sections of the defenses, allowing Nationalist commanders to better prepare their assault. According to historical research, Franco’s forces broke through the Iron Belt in June 1937, and Bilbao fell only days later.

Was Goicoechea solely responsible? Not really. Wars are rarely that simple. Superior artillery, air power—especially support from the German Condor Legion—and the overall military situation all played decisive roles. Blaming a single man for an entire campaign is tempting because it makes history easier to digest. Reality, unfortunately, didn’t get that memo.

A LEGACY DIVIDED

For many Basques and supporters of the Republican cause, Goicoechea became the textbook definition of betrayal. His name remains closely associated with the collapse of Bilbao’s defenses, and countless historical accounts describe his actions as a turning point.

Yet his story didn’t end there. After the war, Goicoechea became one of the engineers behind the development of the TALGO train, an innovation that transformed railway travel in Spain and later gained international recognition. It’s giving “history’s most awkward résumé”: remembered by some as a brilliant engineer, by others as the man who sold out his own project.

This contrast makes his legacy unusually complicated. Can remarkable technical achievements outweigh actions viewed as a betrayal during wartime? History doesn’t offer easy answers, and that’s precisely why Goicoechea continues to fascinate scholars.

As noted by thisclaimer.com, controversial historical figures often become symbols rather than simply people, with later generations projecting broader political and cultural debates onto their actions. Goicoechea is a classic example. Depending on who tells the story, he appears either as a pragmatic military defector or one of the most infamous traitors of the Spanish Civil War.

One thing is beyond dispute: his decision remains one of the best-known acts of defection in modern Spanish history, proving that sometimes a blueprint can carry as much weight as a battlefield.

Sources

Royal Academy of History / Wikipedia (background) — https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alejandro_Goicoechea

Historias Vascas (Deia): El cambio de bando de Alejandro Goicoechea — https://blogs.deia.eus/historiasvascas/2017/02/22/el-cambio-de-bando-de-alejandro-goicoechea/

Thisclaimer — https://thisclaimer.com

#LeoExpress, a #Renfe Intl. subsidiary, is currently operating a service between #Prague 🇨🇿 and #Bratislava 🇸🇰 vv, twice daily. The consist, hauled by a #Railpool #Siemens #Vectron Class 193 electric - branded ‘leo express’ - includes #TalgoVI cars that previously used to work #Talgo services in Spain. There’s also a #Bistro.

#LeoExpress, a #Renfe Intl. subsidiary, is currently operating a service between #Prague 🇨🇿 and #Bratislava 🇸🇰 vv, twice daily. The consist, hauled by a #Railpool #Siemens #Vectron Class 193 electric - branded ‘leo express’ - includes #TalgoVI cars that previously used to work #Talgo services in Spain. There’s also a #Bistro.

Ok. Am out. Doorlock is a goner on this one..

I so absolutely strongly dislike these shitty trains.

How the hell did international travel go from "quiet well functional comfortable passenger cabin" to "stuck in the smelly tiny toilet of a brand new train, requiring the strength of a strong adult to break out"

#dsb #talgo #CrossBorderRail

Ok. Am out. Doorlock is a goner on this one..

I so absolutely strongly dislike these shitty trains.

How the hell did international travel go from "quiet well functional comfortable passenger cabin" to "stuck in the smelly tiny toilet of a brand new train, requiring the strength of a strong adult to break out"

#dsb #talgo #CrossBorderRail

Flixtrain plant Ausbau des Zugangebots und mehr Verbindungen

#Bahnverkehr #Berlin #DeutscheBahn #Fernverkehr #Flixtrain #Hamburg #Leipzig #Mobilität #München #Reisen #Talgo #Wettbewerb #Zugangebot

https://bahnblogstelle.com/254704/flixtrain-plant-ausbau-des-zugangebots-und-mehr-verbindungen/

Flixtrain plant Ausbau des Zugangebots und mehr Verbindungen

#Bahnverkehr #Berlin #DeutscheBahn #Fernverkehr #Flixtrain #Hamburg #Leipzig #Mobilität #München #Reisen #Talgo #Wettbewerb #Zugangebot

https://bahnblogstelle.com/254704/flixtrain-plant-ausbau-des-zugangebots-und-mehr-verbindungen/

RE: https://mastodon.social/@stefanlindbohm/116452696283687044

Interesting thread / conversation around the new #Talgo orders by #Trafikverket in Sweden #nighttrain

RE: https://mastodon.social/@stefanlindbohm/116452696283687044

Interesting thread / conversation around the new #Talgo orders by #Trafikverket in Sweden #nighttrain

The intercom is bizarre. I have never in my life been in a train with a worse intercom system. Utterly embarrassing for #DSB, #DB and #Talgo. I just cannot hear what the staff is saying. And this is throughout the train.

Here's a video showing the info screens (ok, although the info is incorrect). The sound is exactly as it is in the train.

Wagens 25 (luggage), 24 and 23 are locked. Good luck if you brought a stroller as (from experience) DSB staff will harass you for putting it anywhere else.

The intercom is bizarre. I have never in my life been in a train with a worse intercom system. Utterly embarrassing for #DSB, #DB and #Talgo. I just cannot hear what the staff is saying. And this is throughout the train.

Here's a video showing the info screens (ok, although the info is incorrect). The sound is exactly as it is in the train.

Wagens 25 (luggage), 24 and 23 are locked. Good luck if you brought a stroller as (from experience) DSB staff will harass you for putting it anywhere else.

People have actually asked me to #review the #Talgo train btw. So consider this thread that review.

I do like that I can see my bicycle (white bag) in the oddly impractical storage area (sides are too low, metal frame makes non-solid boxes wobble).

First announcement was just made over the intercom. Welcome and someone left a bag wrong. Nothing about the seating situation which literally every passenger is confused about.

The intercom is with so much echo that it's barely audible.

#travel

People have actually asked me to #review the #Talgo train btw. So consider this thread that review.

I do like that I can see my bicycle (white bag) in the oddly impractical storage area (sides are too low, metal frame makes non-solid boxes wobble).

First announcement was just made over the intercom. Welcome and someone left a bag wrong. Nothing about the seating situation which literally every passenger is confused about.

The intercom is with so much echo that it's barely audible.

#travel

the shaker

#photography #talgo #trainspotting #renfe #train

the shaker

#photography #talgo #trainspotting #renfe #train

old Talgo trains

#photography #trainspotting #renfe #talgo #trains #urbanphotography

old Talgo trains

#photography #trainspotting #renfe #talgo #trains #urbanphotography

#RENFE 🇪🇸 269-902 is seen here working the #Gijón portion of a daytime #Talgo originating in #Barcelona and composed of #TalgoIII stock. These cars were built in the 1960s. I very much like their design and colour scheme. Picture taken with the permission of the lovely train crew at #Busdongo station on the #Pajares line in April 2007.

#RENFE 🇪🇸 269-902 is seen here working the #Gijón portion of a daytime #Talgo originating in #Barcelona and composed of #TalgoIII stock. These cars were built in the 1960s. I very much like their design and colour scheme. Picture taken with the permission of the lovely train crew at #Busdongo station on the #Pajares line in April 2007.

#Milano 🇮🇹 Centrale, one December morning in 2007: #Trenhotel #Talgo #Euronight “Salvador Dalí”, from #Barcelona 🇪🇸, has just arrived, hauled by a #Trenitalia #FS Class E.656 #Caimano electric. The train is visible on the left. On the adjacent track, we see the nose of a Class E.444R #Tartaruga.

#Milano 🇮🇹 Centrale, one December morning in 2007: #Trenhotel #Talgo #Euronight “Salvador Dalí”, from #Barcelona 🇪🇸, has just arrived, hauled by a #Trenitalia #FS Class E.656 #Caimano electric. The train is visible on the left. On the adjacent track, we see the nose of a Class E.444R #Tartaruga.

No, España no ha "regalado" cientos de millones a Uzbekistán y Marruecos para mejorar sus trenes https://www.eldiario.es/economia/no-espana-no-regalado-cientos-millones-uzbekistan-marruecos-mejorar-trenes_1_12921421.html Cristina G. Bolinches #AccidentetrenesAdamuz #Marruecos #Trenes #Talgo #Bulos

No, España no ha "regalado" cientos de millones a Uzbekistán y Marruecos para mejorar sus trenes https://www.eldiario.es/economia/no-espana-no-regalado-cientos-millones-uzbekistan-marruecos-mejorar-trenes_1_12921421.html Cristina G. Bolinches #AccidentetrenesAdamuz #Marruecos #Trenes #Talgo #Bulos

@AndreasSebayang Bin zufällig ICE L gefahren und habe ihn nur anhand Deiner Lok-Hinweise erkannt :)

Das Fahrradabteil ist winzig und fuhr ganz am Ende mit, die Reserviert-Anzeige stimmte nicht mit App-Info überein, Hängepflicht wozu zwei der zwei anderen Mitfahrenden körperlich nicht in der Lage waren.

Kein Platz für Liegeräder, Kinderanhänger oder auch nur Kinderwagen oder Gepäck.

Weil nur vier der acht Plätze belegt waren, konnten wir immerhin unser Gepäck dranlassen.

#icel #talgo

@AndreasSebayang Bin zufällig ICE L gefahren und habe ihn nur anhand Deiner Lok-Hinweise erkannt :)

Das Fahrradabteil ist winzig und fuhr ganz am Ende mit, die Reserviert-Anzeige stimmte nicht mit App-Info überein, Hängepflicht wozu zwei der zwei anderen Mitfahrenden körperlich nicht in der Lage waren.

Kein Platz für Liegeräder, Kinderanhänger oder auch nur Kinderwagen oder Gepäck.

Weil nur vier der acht Plätze belegt waren, konnten wir immerhin unser Gepäck dranlassen.

#icel #talgo

#Talgo sucht Technische Zugbegleiter für den #ICEL

"Durchführung von Tagesfahrten (in Begleitung mit einem erfahrenen Talgo-Zugbegleiter aus der spanischen Muttergesellschaft) in der ersten Einsatzphase auf der Strecke Berlin–Köln–Berlin innerhalb eines Tages.
Unterstützung bei sporadischen Fahrten in der zweiten Einsatzphase, insbesondere zur Eröffnung neuer Strecken (z. B. nach Sylt und Oberstdorf)."

https://karriere.talgo.de/jobs/6877791-technischer-zugbegleiter-m-w-d-willkommensbonus-3000-euro

#Talgo sucht Technische Zugbegleiter für den #ICEL

"Durchführung von Tagesfahrten (in Begleitung mit einem erfahrenen Talgo-Zugbegleiter aus der spanischen Muttergesellschaft) in der ersten Einsatzphase auf der Strecke Berlin–Köln–Berlin innerhalb eines Tages.
Unterstützung bei sporadischen Fahrten in der zweiten Einsatzphase, insbesondere zur Eröffnung neuer Strecken (z. B. nach Sylt und Oberstdorf)."

https://karriere.talgo.de/jobs/6877791-technischer-zugbegleiter-m-w-d-willkommensbonus-3000-euro

Also so ganz rund rollen die #DSB #talgo ha noch nicht. Mittlerweile Stunde zu spät und der Zug denkt wir fahren nach #Kopenhagen

Also so ganz rund rollen die #DSB #talgo ha noch nicht. Mittlerweile Stunde zu spät und der Zug denkt wir fahren nach #Kopenhagen

Neuer ICE L im Einsatz - Zulassung für Steuerwagen verzögert sich

#Bahn #Barrierefreiheit #DeutscheBahn #ICE #ICEL #Lok #Lokomotive #Siemens #Steuerwagen #Talgo

https://bahnblogstelle.com/245026/neuer-ice-l-im-einsatz-zulassung-fuer-steuerwagen-verzoegert-sich/

Neuer ICE L im Einsatz - Zulassung für Steuerwagen verzögert sich

#Bahn #Barrierefreiheit #DeutscheBahn #ICE #ICEL #Lok #Lokomotive #Siemens #Steuerwagen #Talgo

https://bahnblogstelle.com/245026/neuer-ice-l-im-einsatz-zulassung-fuer-steuerwagen-verzoegert-sich/

Nanu, was sahen meine Augen heute in Social Media? Der ICE L ist mit einer tschechischen Lok ab Berlin Hbf losgefahren. Vermutlich eine MS A01 von RAILL (also 200 km/h). Aber mit dem Logo der České Dráhy. Damit fährt der Zug dann los, der eigentlich für Fahrten in die Niederlande eine Premiere haben sollte. Das wird aber immer unwahrscheinlicher. Auch weil Flixtrain NL mit dem Talgo aufgegeben hat.

#icel #talgo #deutschebahn #ice #bahn

https://www.notebookcheck.com/Der-ICE-L-faehrt-mit-tschechischer-Lok-und-reduziertem-Tempo.1174426.0.html

Nanu, was sahen meine Augen heute in Social Media? Der ICE L ist mit einer tschechischen Lok ab Berlin Hbf losgefahren. Vermutlich eine MS A01 von RAILL (also 200 km/h). Aber mit dem Logo der České Dráhy. Damit fährt der Zug dann los, der eigentlich für Fahrten in die Niederlande eine Premiere haben sollte. Das wird aber immer unwahrscheinlicher. Auch weil Flixtrain NL mit dem Talgo aufgegeben hat.

#icel #talgo #deutschebahn #ice #bahn

https://www.notebookcheck.com/Der-ICE-L-faehrt-mit-tschechischer-Lok-und-reduziertem-Tempo.1174426.0.html

I really don't think the ICE L looks good... not sure what the design-approach was beyond "make it look like an ICE" but it just doesn't feel as "fast" as the existing ones as it seems kinda "stocky".

But imo. this can be fixed with just a bit of livery change adding something like a line in the white space above the windows.

So here's a quick mockup based on this image 👀

#ICEL #Talgo230 #DB #Bahn #Talgo

I really don't think the ICE L looks good... not sure what the design-approach was beyond "make it look like an ICE" but it just doesn't feel as "fast" as the existing ones as it seems kinda "stocky".

But imo. this can be fixed with just a bit of livery change adding something like a line in the white space above the windows.

So here's a quick mockup based on this image 👀

#ICEL #Talgo230 #DB #Bahn #Talgo

Flix-Chef Schwämmlein: Neue Fernzüge ab 2028 im Einsatz

#Bahn #Bahnindustrie #DeutscheBahn #Fernverkehr #Flix #Flixtrain #Konkurrenz #Lokomotive #Siemens #Talgo

https://bahnblogstelle.com/244407/flix-chef-schwaemmlein-neue-fernzuege-ab-2028-im-einsatz/

Flix-Chef Schwämmlein: Neue Fernzüge ab 2028 im Einsatz

#Bahn #Bahnindustrie #DeutscheBahn #Fernverkehr #Flix #Flixtrain #Konkurrenz #Lokomotive #Siemens #Talgo

https://bahnblogstelle.com/244407/flix-chef-schwaemmlein-neue-fernzuege-ab-2028-im-einsatz/

@Pepijn Hej. Funny, a few days later I started my trip to Danmark the other way round: from Hamburg to Aarhus, planned with a #DSB #Talgo but due to "technical difficulties" we got a replacement train consisting of two DSB locos and good old DB Intercity coaches.
Not as fancy as a new Talgo but still quite comfortable.
Btw, at Padborg there were border contols.

On my way back, I'll go the route via Bramming, Tønder and Niebüll and on the last leg to Niebüll with a NEG train.

Hurrah. We're in #Hamburg and for once I'm not changing trains here. I'll continue in the InterCity all the way to Niebüll, where I'll take a diesel railcar over the German-Danish border and then a regional train to Esbjerg. Fun 🙂

The #DSB #Talgo will have to wait for the next trip :-)

#CrossborderRail #timelapse

Hurrah. We're in #Hamburg and for once I'm not changing trains here. I'll continue in the InterCity all the way to Niebüll, where I'll take a diesel railcar over the German-Danish border and then a regional train to Esbjerg. Fun 🙂

The #DSB #Talgo will have to wait for the next trip :-)

#CrossborderRail #timelapse

My review of #DSB #Talgo EuroCity #train Copenhagen 🇩🇰 – Hamburg 🇩🇪. Still a lot of small issues to be ironed out.

The doors broke on multiple stops and caused delays.

The infoscreens were nice but they sometimes showed “Next station: Unknown!” or “There was a technical issue” (with display or the train itself?).

Seating is ok. I did not find any USB port, only two charge points. They randomly dropped power tho. There is a small shelve for a tablet but #TVTooHigh

#CrossBorderRail #dktrp

My review of #DSB #Talgo EuroCity #train Copenhagen 🇩🇰 – Hamburg 🇩🇪. Still a lot of small issues to be ironed out.

The doors broke on multiple stops and caused delays.

The infoscreens were nice but they sometimes showed “Next station: Unknown!” or “There was a technical issue” (with display or the train itself?).

Seating is ok. I did not find any USB port, only two charge points. They randomly dropped power tho. There is a small shelve for a tablet but #TVTooHigh

#CrossBorderRail #dktrp

Flixtrain bereit zum harten Wettbewerb um Bahn-Kunden

#Bahn #Bahnindustrie #DeutscheBahn #Fernverkehr #Flix #Flixtrain #Konkurrenz #Lokomotive #Siemens #Talgo

https://bahnblogstelle.com/242130/flixtrain-bereit-zum-harten-wettbewerb-um-bahn-kunden/

Flixtrain bereit zum harten Wettbewerb um Bahn-Kunden

#Bahn #Bahnindustrie #DeutscheBahn #Fernverkehr #Flix #Flixtrain #Konkurrenz #Lokomotive #Siemens #Talgo

https://bahnblogstelle.com/242130/flixtrain-bereit-zum-harten-wettbewerb-um-bahn-kunden/

Auf dem Weg zu so einem #tiefergelegten #ICE zum Probefahren. @spmrider
#Talgo #ICE-L

Auf dem Weg zu so einem #tiefergelegten #ICE zum Probefahren. @spmrider
#Talgo #ICE-L

#Europa #Deutschland #Dänemark #Eurocity

#Hamburg #Kopenhagen #Talgo #NeueZüge

Kooperation mit Dänischer Staatsbahn -

Neue Züge zwischen Hamburg und Kopenhagen:

https://www.deutschebahn.com/de/presse/presse-regional/pr-hamburg-de/aktuell/presseinformationen-regional/Kooperation-mit-Daenischer-Staatsbahn-Neue-Zuege-zwischen-Hamburg-und-Kopenhagen--13599262

#Europa #Deutschland #Dänemark #Eurocity

#Hamburg #Kopenhagen #Talgo #NeueZüge

Kooperation mit Dänischer Staatsbahn -

Neue Züge zwischen Hamburg und Kopenhagen:

https://www.deutschebahn.com/de/presse/presse-regional/pr-hamburg-de/aktuell/presseinformationen-regional/Kooperation-mit-Daenischer-Staatsbahn-Neue-Zuege-zwischen-Hamburg-und-Kopenhagen--13599262

Hamburg 🇩🇪 Hauptbahnhof. A last look at the #DSB #Talgo from #Copenhagen 🇩🇰, before heading for dinner (and a local beer) up to the #Wandelhalle. Last step for today: boarding the #ÖBB 🇦🇹 #nightjet.

Hamburg 🇩🇪 Hauptbahnhof. A last look at the #DSB #Talgo from #Copenhagen 🇩🇰, before heading for dinner (and a local beer) up to the #Wandelhalle. Last step for today: boarding the #ÖBB 🇦🇹 #nightjet.

#Europa #Deutschland #Dänemark #Eurocity

#Hamburg #Kopenhagen #Talgo #NeueZüge

Deutsche Bahn -

Neue Züge zwischen Hamburg und Kopenhagen:

https://www.lok-report.de/news/deutschland/aus-den-laendern/item/62765-deutsche-bahn-neue-zuege-zwischen-hamburg-und-kopenhagen.html

… and a few more design features of the new #DSB 🇩🇰 #Talgo: meaningful signage (timings, car positioning, vacant lavatories), generous luggage racks, dedicated bike space in both end cars, and “touch-free” activation of the toilet flush.