#marketplaceofideas — Public Fediverse posts
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Turns Out That Advertisers Not Wanting To Fund Neo-Nazi-Adjacent Content Isn’t An Antitrust Violation
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Turns Out That Advertisers Not Wanting To Fund Neo-Nazi-Adjacent Content Isn’t An Antitrust Violation
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Turns Out That Advertisers Not Wanting To Fund Neo-Nazi-Adjacent Content Isn’t An Antitrust Violation
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Turns Out That Advertisers Not Wanting To Fund Neo-Nazi-Adjacent Content Isn’t An Antitrust Violation
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Turns Out That Advertisers Not Wanting To Fund Neo-Nazi-Adjacent Content Isn’t An Antitrust Violation
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A quotation from Adlai Stevenson
And the freedom of the mind, my friends, has served America well. The vigor of our political life, our capacity for change, our cultural, scientific, and industrial achievements, all derive from free inquiry, from the free mind — from the imagination, resourcefulness, and daring of men who are not afraid of new ideas. Most all of us favor free enterprise for business. Let us also favor free enterprise for the mind. For, in the last analysis, we would fight to the death to protect it.
Adlai Stevenson (1900-1965) American diplomat, statesman
Speech (1952-08-27), “The Nature of Patriotism,” American Legion Convention, Madison Square Garden, New York CityMore about this quote: wist.info/stevenson-adlai-ewin…
#quote #quotes #quotation #qotd #adlaistevenson #America #freeenterprise #freethought #freedom #freedomofthought #ideas #imagination #inquiry #marketplaceofideas
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A quotation from Adlai Stevenson
And the freedom of the mind, my friends, has served America well. The vigor of our political life, our capacity for change, our cultural, scientific, and industrial achievements, all derive from free inquiry, from the free mind — from the imagination, resourcefulness, and daring of men who are not afraid of new ideas. Most all of us favor free enterprise for business. Let us also favor free enterprise for the mind. For, in the last analysis, we would fight to the death to protect it.
Adlai Stevenson (1900-1965) American diplomat, statesman
Speech (1952-08-27), “The Nature of Patriotism,” American Legion Convention, Madison Square Garden, New York CityMore about this quote: wist.info/stevenson-adlai-ewin…
#quote #quotes #quotation #qotd #adlaistevenson #America #freeenterprise #freethought #freedom #freedomofthought #ideas #imagination #inquiry #marketplaceofideas
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A quotation from Adlai Stevenson
And the freedom of the mind, my friends, has served America well. The vigor of our political life, our capacity for change, our cultural, scientific, and industrial achievements, all derive from free inquiry, from the free mind — from the imagination, resourcefulness, and daring of men who are not afraid of new ideas. Most all of us favor free enterprise for business. Let us also favor free enterprise for the mind. For, in the last analysis, we would fight to the death to protect it.
Adlai Stevenson (1900-1965) American diplomat, statesman
Speech (1952-08-27), “The Nature of Patriotism,” American Legion Convention, Madison Square Garden, New York CityMore about this quote: wist.info/stevenson-adlai-ewin…
#quote #quotes #quotation #qotd #adlaistevenson #America #freeenterprise #freethought #freedom #freedomofthought #ideas #imagination #inquiry #marketplaceofideas
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A quotation from Adlai Stevenson
And the freedom of the mind, my friends, has served America well. The vigor of our political life, our capacity for change, our cultural, scientific, and industrial achievements, all derive from free inquiry, from the free mind — from the imagination, resourcefulness, and daring of men who are not afraid of new ideas. Most all of us favor free enterprise for business. Let us also favor free enterprise for the mind. For, in the last analysis, we would fight to the death to protect it.
Adlai Stevenson (1900-1965) American diplomat, statesman
Speech (1952-08-27), “The Nature of Patriotism,” American Legion Convention, Madison Square Garden, New York CityMore about this quote: wist.info/stevenson-adlai-ewin…
#quote #quotes #quotation #qotd #adlaistevenson #America #freeenterprise #freethought #freedom #freedomofthought #ideas #imagination #inquiry #marketplaceofideas
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A quotation from Eleanor Roosevelt
In our country we must trust the people to hear and see both the good and the bad and to choose the good. The Un-American Activities Committee seems to me to be better for a police state than for the USA.
Eleanor Roosevelt (1884-1962) First Lady of the US (1933-45), politician, diplomat, activist
Column (1947-10-29), “My Day”More info about this quote: wist.info/roosevelt-eleanor/80…
#quote #quotes #quotation #qotd #eleanorroosevelt #America #freedomofthought #inquiry #marketplaceofideas #mccarthyism #RedScare #society #trust #huac #unamerican
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A quotation from Eleanor Roosevelt
In our country we must trust the people to hear and see both the good and the bad and to choose the good. The Un-American Activities Committee seems to me to be better for a police state than for the USA.
Eleanor Roosevelt (1884-1962) First Lady of the US (1933-45), politician, diplomat, activist
Column (1947-10-29), “My Day”More info about this quote: wist.info/roosevelt-eleanor/80…
#quote #quotes #quotation #qotd #eleanorroosevelt #America #freedomofthought #inquiry #marketplaceofideas #mccarthyism #RedScare #society #trust #huac #unamerican
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A quotation from Eleanor Roosevelt
In our country we must trust the people to hear and see both the good and the bad and to choose the good. The Un-American Activities Committee seems to me to be better for a police state than for the USA.
Eleanor Roosevelt (1884-1962) First Lady of the US (1933-45), politician, diplomat, activist
Column (1947-10-29), “My Day”More info about this quote: wist.info/roosevelt-eleanor/80…
#quote #quotes #quotation #qotd #eleanorroosevelt #America #freedomofthought #inquiry #marketplaceofideas #mccarthyism #RedScare #society #trust #huac #unamerican
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A quotation from Eleanor Roosevelt
In our country we must trust the people to hear and see both the good and the bad and to choose the good. The Un-American Activities Committee seems to me to be better for a police state than for the USA.
Eleanor Roosevelt (1884-1962) First Lady of the US (1933-45), politician, diplomat, activist
Column (1947-10-29), “My Day”More info about this quote: wist.info/roosevelt-eleanor/80…
#quote #quotes #quotation #qotd #eleanorroosevelt #America #freedomofthought #inquiry #marketplaceofideas #mccarthyism #RedScare #society #trust #huac #unamerican
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A quotation from Adlai Stevenson
The sound of tireless voices is the price we pay for the right to hear the music of our own opinions. But there is also, it seems to me, a moment at which democracy must prove its capacity to act. Every man has a right to be heard; but no man has the right to strangle democracy with a single set of vocal chords.
Adlai Stevenson (1900-1965) American diplomat, statesman
Speech (1952-08-28), “Faith in Liberalism,” State Committee of the Liberal Party, New York CityMore info about this quote: wist.info/stevenson-adlai-ewin…
#quote #quotes #quotation #qotd #adlaistevenson #action #decisionmaking #democracy #freespeech #freedomofspeech #marketplaceofideas #talking #debate #wordsanddeeds
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A quotation from Eleanor Roosevelt
The film industry is a great industry, with infinite possibilities for good and bad. Its primary purpose is to entertain people. On the side, it can do many other things. It can popularize certain ideals, it can make education palatable. But in the long run, the judge who decides whether what it does is good or bad is the man or woman who attends the movies. In a democratic country I do not think the public will tolerate a removal of its right to decide what it thinks of the ideas and performances of those who make the movie industry work.
Eleanor Roosevelt (1884-1962) First Lady of the US (1933-45), politician, diplomat, activist
Column (1947-10-29), “My Day”More info about this quote: wist.info/roosevelt-eleanor/79…
#quote #quotes #quotation #qotd #eleanorroosevelt #democracy #blacklist #censorship #filmindustry #freedom #Hollywood #liberty #marketplaceofideas #motionpictures
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"There’s nothing in how Charlie Kirk “debated” that aimed to get at nuances or understanding. They were entirely designed to seek to humiliate his opponent. They’re full of red herrings, lies, and attempts to deflect from any actual logic, as the video link above showed.
The point is not about getting to any level of understanding. It’s to try to quip and dunk in the manner most likely to go viral when shared on social media in 20-second snippets.
The format actively discourages the kind of thoughtful, nuanced discussion that might actually change minds—the kind actually designed for persuasion. Instead, it rewards the most inflammatory takes, the most emotionally manipulative tactics, and the most viral-ready soundbites. Anyone going into these situations with good faith gets steamrolled by participants who understand they’re playing a different game entirely.
When trolls demand debates, they’re not interested in having their minds changed or genuinely testing their ideas. They want one of two outcomes: either you decline and they get to claim victory by default, or you accept and they get to use your credibility to legitimize their nonsense while farming viral moments.
None of this means we should avoid authentically engaging with different viewpoints or challenging ideas. But there’s a crucial difference between good-faith intellectual engagement and feeding trolls who are just looking for their next viral moment."
#Debate #OnlineTrolls #Demagoguery #Demagogue #CriticalThinking #MarketplaceOfIdeas
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"There’s nothing in how Charlie Kirk “debated” that aimed to get at nuances or understanding. They were entirely designed to seek to humiliate his opponent. They’re full of red herrings, lies, and attempts to deflect from any actual logic, as the video link above showed.
The point is not about getting to any level of understanding. It’s to try to quip and dunk in the manner most likely to go viral when shared on social media in 20-second snippets.
The format actively discourages the kind of thoughtful, nuanced discussion that might actually change minds—the kind actually designed for persuasion. Instead, it rewards the most inflammatory takes, the most emotionally manipulative tactics, and the most viral-ready soundbites. Anyone going into these situations with good faith gets steamrolled by participants who understand they’re playing a different game entirely.
When trolls demand debates, they’re not interested in having their minds changed or genuinely testing their ideas. They want one of two outcomes: either you decline and they get to claim victory by default, or you accept and they get to use your credibility to legitimize their nonsense while farming viral moments.
None of this means we should avoid authentically engaging with different viewpoints or challenging ideas. But there’s a crucial difference between good-faith intellectual engagement and feeding trolls who are just looking for their next viral moment."
#Debate #OnlineTrolls #Demagoguery #Demagogue #CriticalThinking #MarketplaceOfIdeas
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"There’s nothing in how Charlie Kirk “debated” that aimed to get at nuances or understanding. They were entirely designed to seek to humiliate his opponent. They’re full of red herrings, lies, and attempts to deflect from any actual logic, as the video link above showed.
The point is not about getting to any level of understanding. It’s to try to quip and dunk in the manner most likely to go viral when shared on social media in 20-second snippets.
The format actively discourages the kind of thoughtful, nuanced discussion that might actually change minds—the kind actually designed for persuasion. Instead, it rewards the most inflammatory takes, the most emotionally manipulative tactics, and the most viral-ready soundbites. Anyone going into these situations with good faith gets steamrolled by participants who understand they’re playing a different game entirely.
When trolls demand debates, they’re not interested in having their minds changed or genuinely testing their ideas. They want one of two outcomes: either you decline and they get to claim victory by default, or you accept and they get to use your credibility to legitimize their nonsense while farming viral moments.
None of this means we should avoid authentically engaging with different viewpoints or challenging ideas. But there’s a crucial difference between good-faith intellectual engagement and feeding trolls who are just looking for their next viral moment."
#Debate #OnlineTrolls #Demagoguery #Demagogue #CriticalThinking #MarketplaceOfIdeas
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"There’s nothing in how Charlie Kirk “debated” that aimed to get at nuances or understanding. They were entirely designed to seek to humiliate his opponent. They’re full of red herrings, lies, and attempts to deflect from any actual logic, as the video link above showed.
The point is not about getting to any level of understanding. It’s to try to quip and dunk in the manner most likely to go viral when shared on social media in 20-second snippets.
The format actively discourages the kind of thoughtful, nuanced discussion that might actually change minds—the kind actually designed for persuasion. Instead, it rewards the most inflammatory takes, the most emotionally manipulative tactics, and the most viral-ready soundbites. Anyone going into these situations with good faith gets steamrolled by participants who understand they’re playing a different game entirely.
When trolls demand debates, they’re not interested in having their minds changed or genuinely testing their ideas. They want one of two outcomes: either you decline and they get to claim victory by default, or you accept and they get to use your credibility to legitimize their nonsense while farming viral moments.
None of this means we should avoid authentically engaging with different viewpoints or challenging ideas. But there’s a crucial difference between good-faith intellectual engagement and feeding trolls who are just looking for their next viral moment."
#Debate #OnlineTrolls #Demagoguery #Demagogue #CriticalThinking #MarketplaceOfIdeas
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"There’s nothing in how Charlie Kirk “debated” that aimed to get at nuances or understanding. They were entirely designed to seek to humiliate his opponent. They’re full of red herrings, lies, and attempts to deflect from any actual logic, as the video link above showed.
The point is not about getting to any level of understanding. It’s to try to quip and dunk in the manner most likely to go viral when shared on social media in 20-second snippets.
The format actively discourages the kind of thoughtful, nuanced discussion that might actually change minds—the kind actually designed for persuasion. Instead, it rewards the most inflammatory takes, the most emotionally manipulative tactics, and the most viral-ready soundbites. Anyone going into these situations with good faith gets steamrolled by participants who understand they’re playing a different game entirely.
When trolls demand debates, they’re not interested in having their minds changed or genuinely testing their ideas. They want one of two outcomes: either you decline and they get to claim victory by default, or you accept and they get to use your credibility to legitimize their nonsense while farming viral moments.
None of this means we should avoid authentically engaging with different viewpoints or challenging ideas. But there’s a crucial difference between good-faith intellectual engagement and feeding trolls who are just looking for their next viral moment."
#Debate #OnlineTrolls #Demagoguery #Demagogue #CriticalThinking #MarketplaceOfIdeas
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Lots to reflect on in #YANSS 317 – "How to reimagine the marketplace of ideas by changing how, if, and when we talk about politics"
If we want new ideas to spread, what do we need to do now to make it a reality?
#Agora #PoliticalDebate #MarketplaceOfIdeas #ChangingMinds
Thanks again @davidmcraney for your work exploring these topics with us.
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People who deny the #marketplaceofideas are wrong. However what #liberals and #moderates fail to understand is that its a marketplace with targeted ads thanks to internet corporate captured algorithms. "We see what ideas you have bought before, perhaps you would be interested in national socialism." #capitalism #fascism -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZgG_1-5mHw
#TheRushHour #DaveNeal afternoon
18.30 min mark: #StopDeportations Through an administrative error, a man's been deported to #ElSalvador and despite the possibility that he could be killed, tortured, etc, the #FascistUSA government says they will NOT bring him back to the U.S.
Even a #racist uneducated idiot like Joe Rogan knows this is wrong.
24min. mark: Idiot #GNP Attorneys General demand that there be no #dueprocess, and to continue to illegally deport people.
25.37 min mark: #CoryBooker #filibuster. #TariffsAreBULLSHIT #TaxTheRich, #MarketPlaceOfIdeas #UniveristyFreeSpeech
28min. mark: #WisconsinSupremeCourtRace
29.23 min. mark: Congressional seat in #FloridaDave Neal explains ...again... why important political issues are discussed on his mostly entertainment industry news show #ClassWar #ClassUnity
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@Gotterdammerung I realise you're defending it, but thought you might find interesting that the "marketplace of ideas" trope has a chequered history. I'd found a piece years back by Jill Gordon, "John Stuart Mill and 'The Marketplace of Ideas'" which strongly corresponded to (and extended) my own thinking:
https://www.pdcnet.org/soctheorpract/content/soctheorpract_1997_0023_0002_0235_0250
More recently, David Runciman (podcast, sorry, and no transcript of which I'm aware) did a really good 'splainer in his "History of Bad Ideas" series on the Marketplace of Ideas as well:
https://www.ppfideas.com/episodes/the-history-of-bad-ideas%3A-the-marketplace-of-ideas
(Others may find that more useful than you will.)
If you'd like I can re-listen and synopsise the podcast for you.
Upshot though is that good ideas don't tend to emerge in a free-for-all marketplace. Laboratories, seminars, and non-motivated (dialectical, rather than sophistical / rhetorical) exchange. My argument is that "marketplace of ideas" was more about selling markets (many early advocates were also free-market advocates) than the metaphor vis-a-vis ideas themselves.
(If you go through especially Oliver Wendell Holmes's characterisation in Schenck v. US, one of the strong influences on him was Francis Wrigley Hirst, former editor of The Economist, itself created to promote free speech ideas as is made clear in its prospectus: https://web.archive.org/web/20180825113414/https://www.economist.com/unknown/1843/08/05/prospectus. The story's covered in The Great Dissent by Thomas Healy: https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/thomas-healy/the-great-dissent/)
#MarketplaceOfIdeas #DavidRunciman #JohnStuartMill #ThomasHealy #FrancisWrigleyHirst #OliverWendellHolmes
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Vous savez ce qu'il vous reste à faire (et vive la #Corse et les #antifa) #EricZemmour #AamerRahman #MarketplaceOfIdeas #PunchANazi #Egg #INeedSomebodysEgg #WontYouPlease #EggANazi
https://framapiaf.org/@NicolasDumoulin/112387638297013906 -
As I'd commented a few times and the hashtag should have made clear, this poll is about the "Marketplace of Ideas" concept, which in one interpretation seems to suggest that if you've got a contentious discussion, the apparently obvious solution is to expand it without limit.
(Other interpretations exist, including that arbitrarily limiting who can discuss a topic at all might be discriminatory, but the question as posed captures a flavour frequently encountered.)
On reflection, the notion does appear rather rediculous. I'd suggest that more contentious questions needs more structured, rather than less structured, discussion. Often with specific expertise or qualifications.
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"This is a discussion that's going poorly, I know what will fix it, let's expand it to an immensely larger group of people!!!"
How often has this seemed emminently reasonable to you?
Boosts appreciated.