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Viewing the PDF version of an html file (sans images) in #Zathura, my favorite keyboard-friendly #PDF reader: 157.5 MiB RAM used
Viewing the same original html file (with images) in #dillo: 40.0 MiB RAM used
in #NetSurf: 74.6 MiB
in #GnomeWeb / #Epiphany: 397.0 MiB (wow, kinda lean!!)
in #Falkon: 541.1 MiB
The same file in #luakit: 623.1 MiB RAM
in #firefox / #LibreWolf: 1.31 GiB (YEP)

Viewing the PDF version of an html file (sans images) in #Zathura, my favorite keyboard-friendly #PDF reader: 157.5 MiB RAM used
Viewing the same original html file (with images) in #dillo: 40.0 MiB RAM used
in #NetSurf: 74.6 MiB
in #GnomeWeb / #Epiphany: 397.0 MiB (wow, kinda lean!!)
in #Falkon: 541.1 MiB
The same file in #luakit: 623.1 MiB RAM
in #firefox / #LibreWolf: 1.31 GiB (YEP)

I can't believe it myself, but yes, I've made #Dillo my default browser on my personal laptops. It's never been my default, even though I've used it occasionally, off-and-on, for 25 years. XD

I still fire up #LibreWolf (#firefox fork) occasionally on those machines, but #DilloBrowser fits in this neat space between terminal browsers and "full-fat" browsers like Librewolf and #luakit.

I'm just wishing it had a "follow mode" for following links from the keyboard, and wondering if there was some way to make it use the clipboard by default, instead of primary selection. I don't quite understand why classic X11 programs use primary selection so much. XD

#SmolWeb

RAM usage to display the same single 59.5 KiB html file:

librewolf(firefox): 1,382   MiB
falkon:               891   MiB
luakit:               627   MiB
netsurf:               88.2 MiB
dillo:                 38.0 MiB

#firefox #librewolf #falkon #luakit #netsurf #dillo

Trying browser alternatives...

#Dillo: the GOAT. Very basic, but crazy fast. Lacks modern less/vi-style keyboard navigation
Update: Dillo's keybinds are pretty flexible, and the config files is pretty easy to understand. #TIL!!
#NetSurf: a bit more compatible with the modern web, pretty comfy to use, but also lacking the keyboard navigation features I'm really used to and loving in plugins like Vimium
#LuaKit: #WebKit-based. Capable and modern, yet fairly lightweight. The scrollbar is an abomination, though. What even is that? iOS?!? Also, turning off JS turns off a lot of features in the browser, last time I tried it
#XLinks: lacks CSS, but is very usable for basic sites. Keybinds are nonstandard, but usable
#chawan: probably the best terminal browser out there I've seen so far, but sometimes you really want a graphical browser with terminal-ish features, instead

P.S., Thanks to @evgandr, I have learned that you can customize #DilloBrowser's keybinds! Fantastic stuff!!

Trying browser alternatives...

#Dillo: the GOAT. Very basic, but crazy fast. Lacks modern less/vi-style keyboard navigation
Update: Dillo's keybinds are pretty flexible, and the config files is pretty easy to understand. #TIL!!
#NetSurf: a bit more compatible with the modern web, pretty comfy to use, but also lacking the keyboard navigation features I'm really used to and loving in plugins like Vimium
#LuaKit: #WebKit-based. Capable and modern, yet fairly lightweight. The scrollbar is an abomination, though. What even is that? iOS?!? Also, turning off JS turns off a lot of features in the browser, last time I tried it
#XLinks: lacks CSS, but is very usable for basic sites. Keybinds are nonstandard, but usable
#chawan: probably the best terminal browser out there I've seen so far, but sometimes you really want a graphical browser with terminal-ish features, instead

P.S., Thanks to @evgandr, I have learned that you can customize #DilloBrowser's keybinds! Fantastic stuff!!

Trying browser alternatives...

#Dillo: the GOAT. Very basic, but crazy fast. Lacks modern less/vi-style keyboard navigation
Update: Dillo's keybinds are pretty flexible, and the config files is pretty easy to understand. #TIL!!
#NetSurf: a bit more compatible with the modern web, pretty comfy to use, but also lacking the keyboard navigation features I'm really used to and loving in plugins like Vimium
#LuaKit: #WebKit-based. Capable and modern, yet fairly lightweight. The scrollbar is an abomination, though. What even is that? iOS?!? Also, turning off JS turns off a lot of features in the browser, last time I tried it
#XLinks: lacks CSS, but is very usable for basic sites. Keybinds are nonstandard, but usable
#chawan: probably the best terminal browser out there I've seen so far, but sometimes you really want a graphical browser with terminal-ish features, instead

P.S., Thanks to @evgandr, I have learned that you can customize #DilloBrowser's keybinds! Fantastic stuff!!

Trying browser alternatives...

#Dillo: the GOAT. Very basic, but crazy fast. Lacks modern less/vi-style keyboard navigation
Update: Dillo's keybinds are pretty flexible, and the config files is pretty easy to understand. #TIL!!
#NetSurf: a bit more compatible with the modern web, pretty comfy to use, but also lacking the keyboard navigation features I'm really used to and loving in plugins like Vimium
#LuaKit: #WebKit-based. Capable and modern, yet fairly lightweight. The scrollbar is an abomination, though. What even is that? iOS?!? Also, turning off JS turns off a lot of features in the browser, last time I tried it
#XLinks: lacks CSS, but is very usable for basic sites. Keybinds are nonstandard, but usable
#chawan: probably the best terminal browser out there I've seen so far, but sometimes you really want a graphical browser with terminal-ish features, instead

P.S., Thanks to @evgandr, I have learned that you can customize #DilloBrowser's keybinds! Fantastic stuff!!

Trying browser alternatives...

#Dillo: the GOAT. Very basic, but crazy fast. Lacks modern less/vi-style keyboard navigation
Update: Dillo's keybinds are pretty flexible, and the config files is pretty easy to understand. #TIL!!
#NetSurf: a bit more compatible with the modern web, pretty comfy to use, but also lacking the keyboard navigation features I'm really used to and loving in plugins like Vimium
#LuaKit: #WebKit-based. Capable and modern, yet fairly lightweight. The scrollbar is an abomination, though. What even is that? iOS?!? Also, turning off JS turns off a lot of features in the browser, last time I tried it
#XLinks: lacks CSS, but is very usable for basic sites. Keybinds are nonstandard, but usable
#chawan: probably the best terminal browser out there I've seen so far, but sometimes you really want a graphical browser with terminal-ish features, instead

P.S., Thanks to @evgandr, I have learned that you can customize #DilloBrowser's keybinds! Fantastic stuff!!

New #blog post: My Favorite GUI Programs, Part II

https://rldane.space/my-favorite-gui-programs-part-ii.html

554 words

cc: my wonderful #chorus: @joel @dm @sotolf @thedoctor @pixx @orbitalmartian @adamsdesk @krafter @roguefoam @clayton @giantspacesquid @Twizzay @stfn

(I will happily add/remove you from the chorus upon request! :)

#100DaysToOffload #47

#rlDaneWriting #blost #writing #GUI #Zathura #pwmt #nsxiv #sxiv (not actually) #suckless #luakit #qutebrowser

New #blog post: My Favorite GUI Programs, Part II

https://rldane.space/my-favorite-gui-programs-part-ii.html

554 words

cc: my wonderful #chorus: @joel @dm @sotolf @thedoctor @pixx @orbitalmartian @adamsdesk @krafter @roguefoam @clayton @giantspacesquid @Twizzay @stfn

(I will happily add/remove you from the chorus upon request! :)

#100DaysToOffload #47

#rlDaneWriting #blost #writing #GUI #Zathura #pwmt #nsxiv #sxiv (not actually) #suckless #luakit #qutebrowser

New #blog post: My Favorite GUI Programs, Part II

https://rldane.space/my-favorite-gui-programs-part-ii.html

554 words

cc: my wonderful #chorus: @joel @dm @sotolf @thedoctor @pixx @orbitalmartian @adamsdesk @krafter @roguefoam @clayton @giantspacesquid @Twizzay @stfn

(I will happily add/remove you from the chorus upon request! :)

#100DaysToOffload #47

#rlDaneWriting #blost #writing #GUI #Zathura #pwmt #nsxiv #sxiv (not actually) #suckless #luakit #qutebrowser

New #blog post: My Favorite GUI Programs, Part II

https://rldane.space/my-favorite-gui-programs-part-ii.html

554 words

cc: my wonderful #chorus: @joel @dm @sotolf @thedoctor @pixx @orbitalmartian @adamsdesk @krafter @roguefoam @clayton @giantspacesquid @Twizzay @stfn

(I will happily add/remove you from the chorus upon request! :)

#100DaysToOffload #47

#rlDaneWriting #blost #writing #GUI #Zathura #pwmt #nsxiv #sxiv (not actually) #suckless #luakit #qutebrowser

New #blog post: My Favorite GUI Programs, Part II

https://rldane.space/my-favorite-gui-programs-part-ii.html

554 words

cc: my wonderful #chorus: @joel @dm @sotolf @thedoctor @pixx @orbitalmartian @adamsdesk @krafter @roguefoam @clayton @giantspacesquid @Twizzay @stfn

(I will happily add/remove you from the chorus upon request! :)

#100DaysToOffload #47

#rlDaneWriting #blost #writing #GUI #Zathura #pwmt #nsxiv #sxiv (not actually) #suckless #luakit #qutebrowser

The PC is now running #Garuda #Linux, which means it's still running #ArchLinux. However, some oddities are annoying. #luakit doesn't want to learn other search engines, but what's particularly annoying is that abbreviations, or letter shortcuts, can no longer be defined with #autokey. When I click "OK" in the corresponding dialog window, nothing happens. Hotkeys, however, can be configured. I don't get it. #Arch

Der PC läuft nun mit #Garuda #Linux, also weiterhin mit #ArchLinux. Einige Merkwürdigkeiten nerven jedoch. #luakit will keine anderen Suchmaschinen lernen, aber besonders übel ist, dass sich bei #autokey keine Abbreviations, also Buchstabenkürzel, mehr definieren lassen. Beim Klick auf "OK" im zugehörigen Dialogfenster passiert einfach nichts. Hotkeys hingegen lassen sich einstellen. Kapiere ich nicht. #Arch

@alcinnz @lapisdecor @dillo

Yeah, it's a pity that there's no way to get to #WebKit through #Qt anymore. Somewhat ironic, since Webkit was forked from from #Konqueror, which was a #KDE project built on Qt.

There's also #Suckless Surf as an über-minimalistic browser (not too bad as an #SSB, honestly), but it's not a serious contender for daily driving. I don't even daily drive #LuaKit, and I love vim-style programs.

@alcinnz @lapisdecor @dillo

What are the other ones? The only other desktop #WebKit browser (that's #FOSS) I know of is #LuaKit.

Actually I just tried #Luakit for the first time and it might be the best #browser I have ever used

My issue with the majority of other browsers I've tried are client-side window decorations which are distracting and stop the browser from having a native look and feel

I tried looking at minimal options like qute and Nyxt but I found their navigation methods to be abbrasive

Luakit feels like a sweet spot between intuitive and minimal

Will try daily driving it for a while to see how it goes

I would love to make #qutebrowser or #luakit my main browser, but I can't configure either of them to my needs the way I can with #librewolf using plugins.

I'm afraid that Librewolf will adopt undesirable elements of its origin #Firefox, which is why I need alternatives. #Linux #Arch #Data protection

(Before anyone suggests it to me: No, #Brave is not coming onto my device.)

Zu gerne würde ich #qutebrowser oder #luakit zu meinem Hauptbrowser machen, aber keinen von beiden kann ich so nach meinen Bedürfnissen konfigurieren, wie mir das bei #librewolf mit Plugins gelingt.

Dabei befürchte ich, dass Librewolf unerwünschte Elemente seines Ursprungs #Firefox übernimmt, weshalb ich Alternativen benötige. #Linux #Arch #Datenschutz

(Bevor es mir vorgeschlagen wird: Nein, #Brave kommt mir nicht aufs Gerät.)

After a search in the NetBSD packages for lightweight web browsers, the winners are: vimb, dillo, luakit and netsurf.

Dillo's new release 3.1.0 still hasn't landed, so no HTTPS there. Luakit is very neat, extremely lightweight, minimal, has vim-like bindings and would be perfect if it weren't for the constant white flashing between each pageload when using a custom, darker CSS. NetSurf is also quite neat, with tab support for heavier sessions.

The winner for me is vimb, which although leaving tabs to the window manager, has vim-like bindings, is pretty minimal and does not cause flashing when switching between pages on a custom darker CSS setting.

Honor mention to Arctic Fox, a Pale Moon clone that hits peak nostalgia with the pre-omnibar Firefox look. No theming, not as lightweight, but going strong at 29.5k commits since 2018.

#netbsd #bsd #vimb #dillo #luakit #netsurf #arcticfox #firefox #browsers

Ich versuche ernsthaft hauptsächlich #qutebrowser oder #luakit zu nutzen. Doch immer wieder muss ich auf #Librewolf zurückgreifen, weil Webseiten nicht funktionieren. Beim Drogeriemarkt #dm z.B. zeigt qutebrowser das Suchfeld nicht an. Profan, aber für die Nutzung natürlich elementar. In Luakit blitzt die Seite kurz auf, um dann nur eine komplett weiße Fläche anzuzeigen, obwohl im Tab der Name richtig angezeigt wird.

Solche Widrigkeiten verleiden einem die Motivation, sich abseits des Mainstreams zu bewegen.

Basically, I like the #luakit browser better than #qutebrowser. But in today's contaminated Internet, staying there with both is a challenge.

Grundsätzlich gefällt mir der #luakit Browser besser als #qutebrowser. Aber im verseuchten Internet heutzutage ist mit beiden der Aufenthalt dort eine Herausforderung.

Okay, #Deepl doesn't work with #qutebrowser, but with #luakit … astonishing.

Okay, #Deepl funktioniert nicht mit #qutebrowser, aber mit #luakit … erstaunlich.

@benjaminhollon @sirber

Curious, what made you leave #Luakit?

Ah sick, discovered I can use curl to update luakit's adblocker list! #curl #linux #luakit

Gonna try using luakit for general browsing, see how it goes.

I have added Fanboy's Ulimate Blocking list, which gives it a 96% ad block rating. #luakit

https://luakit.github.io/

The Luakit version in the Debian Bookworm repo seems a lot more usable than the one I used with Debian Bullseye? Very cool!

Would be even cooler if I could use vimb on Debian, but can't get it compiled.

#luakit #webbrowser #vimb

Anyone working on a new browser engine?
Something that's definitely not Chromium.

I quite like Goanna and WebKit. Wish both had more devs behind it. Goanna is very light on resources though, but can struggle with these 6 TB perpetual JavaScript websites of today. #goanna #palemoon #luakit #Epiphany #Gnome

As much as I am loathe to enable the #Blink #hegemony of the #web, I gotta say that #qutebrowser is pretty dadgum fly.

I don't use it all the time, but when I want to do some tasks with the web and other purely keyboard-oriented things, it's just fantastic.

I like #luakit and #vimb as well, but typing something like fkhj is so much easer than f239 (to follow links / activate form fields).

I just wish there was a way to make it emulate a mouse hover.

Ich glaube ich werde mir im Laufe der nächsten Tage nochmal den Min Browser anschauen...

https://minbrowser.org/

Die ganzen Microbrowser, die ich vor paar Jahren noch kannte und gern genutzt habe (#luakit, #uzbl, #dwb,...) sind ja leider irgendwie schon abgehängt oder werden nicht mehr weiterentwickelt oder können keine Plugins (Werbeblocker!).

#minbrowser

Ich glaube ich werde mir im Laufe der nächsten Tage nochmal den Min Browser anschauen...

https://minbrowser.org/

Die ganzen Microbrowser, die ich vor paar Jahren noch kannte und gern genutzt habe (#luakit, #uzbl, #dwb,...) sind ja leider irgendwie schon abgehängt oder werden nicht mehr weiterentwickelt oder können keine Plugins (Werbeblocker!).

#minbrowser