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  1. @rl_dane

    I have the old pre-mandoc version of #FreeBSD man available, which uses nroff (defaulting to groff), and this gets 41 lines but only when MANCOLOR=1.

    The answer to 'Why?' is of course that both mandoc and nroff format things for a Teletype Model 37 paper terminal even when they are sending down a pipe and TERM=dumb.

    Pipe the output of man vi immediately through col -b to see what you get when grep isn't fighting with Teletype Model 37 printer effects.

    #man #Unix #TTY37

  2. @rl_dane

    I have the old pre-mandoc version of #FreeBSD man available, which uses nroff (defaulting to groff), and this gets 41 lines but only when MANCOLOR=1.

    The answer to 'Why?' is of course that both mandoc and nroff format things for a Teletype Model 37 paper terminal even when they are sending down a pipe and TERM=dumb.

    Pipe the output of man vi immediately through col -b to see what you get when grep isn't fighting with Teletype Model 37 printer effects.

    #man #Unix #TTY37

  3. @rl_dane

    I have the old pre-mandoc version of #FreeBSD man available, which uses nroff (defaulting to groff), and this gets 41 lines but only when MANCOLOR=1.

    The answer to 'Why?' is of course that both mandoc and nroff format things for a Teletype Model 37 paper terminal even when they are sending down a pipe and TERM=dumb.

    Pipe the output of man vi immediately through col -b to see what you get when grep isn't fighting with Teletype Model 37 printer effects.

    #man #Unix #TTY37

  4. @rl_dane

    I have the old pre-mandoc version of #FreeBSD man available, which uses nroff (defaulting to groff), and this gets 41 lines but only when MANCOLOR=1.

    The answer to 'Why?' is of course that both mandoc and nroff format things for a Teletype Model 37 paper terminal even when they are sending down a pipe and TERM=dumb.

    Pipe the output of man vi immediately through col -b to see what you get when grep isn't fighting with Teletype Model 37 printer effects.

    #man #Unix #TTY37

  5. @rl_dane

    I have the old pre-mandoc version of #FreeBSD man available, which uses nroff (defaulting to groff), and this gets 41 lines but only when MANCOLOR=1.

    The answer to 'Why?' is of course that both mandoc and nroff format things for a Teletype Model 37 paper terminal even when they are sending down a pipe and TERM=dumb.

    Pipe the output of man vi immediately through col -b to see what you get when grep isn't fighting with Teletype Model 37 printer effects.

    #man #Unix #TTY37

  6. @rl_dane hah, having grown up on #Pascal, I greatly prefer the `:=` notation as assignment and `=` for equality testing (because "=" is an expression of equality not assignment in math), and only begrudgingly use the C flavors because of their ubiquity. 😆

  7. @rl_dane hah, having grown up on #Pascal, I greatly prefer the `:=` notation as assignment and `=` for equality testing (because "=" is an expression of equality not assignment in math), and only begrudgingly use the C flavors because of their ubiquity. 😆

  8. @rl_dane hah, having grown up on #Pascal, I greatly prefer the `:=` notation as assignment and `=` for equality testing (because "=" is an expression of equality not assignment in math), and only begrudgingly use the C flavors because of their ubiquity. 😆

  9. @rl_dane hah, having grown up on #Pascal, I greatly prefer the `:=` notation as assignment and `=` for equality testing (because "=" is an expression of equality not assignment in math), and only begrudgingly use the C flavors because of their ubiquity. 😆

  10. @rl_dane hah, having grown up on #Pascal, I greatly prefer the `:=` notation as assignment and `=` for equality testing (because "=" is an expression of equality not assignment in math), and only begrudgingly use the C flavors because of their ubiquity. 😆

  11. @rl_dane I’ve given up and gotten used to using #VLC. It’s super glitchy and it has hiccups playing music, sometimes failing to play gaplessly (!). But there is unfortunately no sensible alternative.

  12. @rl_dane I’ve given up and gotten used to using #VLC. It’s super glitchy and it has hiccups playing music, sometimes failing to play gaplessly (!). But there is unfortunately no sensible alternative.

  13. @rl_dane I’ve given up and gotten used to using #VLC. It’s super glitchy and it has hiccups playing music, sometimes failing to play gaplessly (!). But there is unfortunately no sensible alternative.

  14. @rl_dane I’ve given up and gotten used to using #VLC. It’s super glitchy and it has hiccups playing music, sometimes failing to play gaplessly (!). But there is unfortunately no sensible alternative.

  15. @rl_dane I’ve given up and gotten used to using #VLC. It’s super glitchy and it has hiccups playing music, sometimes failing to play gaplessly (!). But there is unfortunately no sensible alternative.

  16. @rl_dane @a_corbin @tqw oh, and the OS is a custom firmware based on the Zephyr RTOS. It includes a multi-transport 9P library (which powers the keyboard comms, notably) and sports an rc-like shell. #plan9 #inferno

  17. @rl_dane @codemonkeymike @glitzersachen I'm running #OpenBSD on an old Toshiba laptop. Suspend acted funny once or twice, but otherwise seems to be working, that being said I don't use suspend a lot.
    I can say not enough thanks to OpenBSD for having crafted a reasonably smooth installation and post-installation process.
    Otherwise, it did personally help me that I've switched from #Alpine Linux, where one also has to spend a bit of time in the tty and manually edit a few config files with vi or something else.

  18. @peteorrall @joel @dm @sotolf @thedoctor @pixx @orbitalmartian @adamsdesk @krafter @roguefoam @clayton @giantspacesquid @Twizzay @stfn

    Yeah, I wonder if Hombrew is used much at all on Linux.

    Oh, I just remembered I was going to include cygwin's SETUP.EXE as a package manager (as it technically IS!) XD

    Of course, this #blost was 1 hour's work, not 10, so it's pretty off the cuff and subjective ;)

    I did skew heavily towards installation speed, and not just download speed, though. I wouldn't criticize an OS for not being able to afford crazy fast mirrors.

    I posted the number of available packages for Debian (#RasPiOS), Arch (#CachyOS), and FreeBSD in this thread: https://polymaths.social/@rl_dane/statuses/01KRDSHN77A1505JP0VRXFC5BR

    Package rollbacks would be a filesystem and OS-level feature, no? Like snapper on Linux and the boot environment selector (with ZFS) in #FreeBSD.

  19. @peteorrall @joel @dm @sotolf @thedoctor @pixx @orbitalmartian @adamsdesk @krafter @roguefoam @clayton @giantspacesquid @Twizzay @stfn

    Yeah, I wonder if Hombrew is used much at all on Linux.

    Oh, I just remembered I was going to include cygwin's SETUP.EXE as a package manager (as it technically IS!) XD

    Of course, this #blost was 1 hour's work, not 10, so it's pretty off the cuff and subjective ;)

    I did skew heavily towards installation speed, and not just download speed, though. I wouldn't criticize an OS for not being able to afford crazy fast mirrors.

    I posted the number of available packages for Debian (#RasPiOS), Arch (#CachyOS), and FreeBSD in this thread: https://polymaths.social/@rl_dane/statuses/01KRDSHN77A1505JP0VRXFC5BR

    Package rollbacks would be a filesystem and OS-level feature, no? Like snapper on Linux and the boot environment selector (with ZFS) in #FreeBSD.

  20. @peteorrall @joel @dm @sotolf @thedoctor @pixx @orbitalmartian @adamsdesk @krafter @roguefoam @clayton @giantspacesquid @Twizzay @stfn

    Yeah, I wonder if Hombrew is used much at all on Linux.

    Oh, I just remembered I was going to include cygwin's SETUP.EXE as a package manager (as it technically IS!) XD

    Of course, this #blost was 1 hour's work, not 10, so it's pretty off the cuff and subjective ;)

    I did skew heavily towards installation speed, and not just download speed, though. I wouldn't criticize an OS for not being able to afford crazy fast mirrors.

    I posted the number of available packages for Debian (#RasPiOS), Arch (#CachyOS), and FreeBSD in this thread: https://polymaths.social/@rl_dane/statuses/01KRDSHN77A1505JP0VRXFC5BR

    Package rollbacks would be a filesystem and OS-level feature, no? Like snapper on Linux and the boot environment selector (with ZFS) in #FreeBSD.

  21. @peteorrall @joel @dm @sotolf @thedoctor @pixx @orbitalmartian @adamsdesk @krafter @roguefoam @clayton @giantspacesquid @Twizzay @stfn

    Yeah, I wonder if Hombrew is used much at all on Linux.

    Oh, I just remembered I was going to include cygwin's SETUP.EXE as a package manager (as it technically IS!) XD

    Of course, this #blost was 1 hour's work, not 10, so it's pretty off the cuff and subjective ;)

    I did skew heavily towards installation speed, and not just download speed, though. I wouldn't criticize an OS for not being able to afford crazy fast mirrors.

    I posted the number of available packages for Debian (#RasPiOS), Arch (#CachyOS), and FreeBSD in this thread: https://polymaths.social/@rl_dane/statuses/01KRDSHN77A1505JP0VRXFC5BR

    Package rollbacks would be a filesystem and OS-level feature, no? Like snapper on Linux and the boot environment selector (with ZFS) in #FreeBSD.

  22. @peteorrall @joel @dm @sotolf @thedoctor @pixx @orbitalmartian @adamsdesk @krafter @roguefoam @clayton @giantspacesquid @Twizzay @stfn

    Yeah, I wonder if Hombrew is used much at all on Linux.

    Oh, I just remembered I was going to include cygwin's SETUP.EXE as a package manager (as it technically IS!) XD

    Of course, this #blost was 1 hour's work, not 10, so it's pretty off the cuff and subjective ;)

    I did skew heavily towards installation speed, and not just download speed, though. I wouldn't criticize an OS for not being able to afford crazy fast mirrors.

    I posted the number of available packages for Debian (#RasPiOS), Arch (#CachyOS), and FreeBSD in this thread: https://polymaths.social/@rl_dane/statuses/01KRDSHN77A1505JP0VRXFC5BR

    Package rollbacks would be a filesystem and OS-level feature, no? Like snapper on Linux and the boot environment selector (with ZFS) in #FreeBSD.

  23. @rl_dane @sashin The problem is that #fuckFedora HAS taken a stand, a principled stand. They want to force #systemd, #gnome, #wayland down your throat. They have become the #microsoft of the #linux world. #dumpFedora and #goBSD.

  24. @rl_dane @sashin The problem is that #fuckFedora HAS taken a stand, a principled stand. They want to force #systemd, #gnome, #wayland down your throat. They have become the #microsoft of the #linux world. #dumpFedora and #goBSD.

  25. @rl_dane @sashin The problem is that #fuckFedora HAS taken a stand, a principled stand. They want to force #systemd, #gnome, #wayland down your throat. They have become the #microsoft of the #linux world. #dumpFedora and #goBSD.

  26. @rl_dane @sashin The problem is that #fuckFedora HAS taken a stand, a principled stand. They want to force #systemd, #gnome, #wayland down your throat. They have become the #microsoft of the #linux world. #dumpFedora and #goBSD.

  27. @rl_dane @sashin The problem is that #fuckFedora HAS taken a stand, a principled stand. They want to force #systemd, #gnome, #wayland down your throat. They have become the #microsoft of the #linux world. #dumpFedora and #goBSD.

  28. @rl_dane yep! I learned about it through the podcast, two of his early episodes were about it.

  29. @rl_dane I really think that caps lock should have been a top-row key. (Although I get the historical reasons, involving and the original shift lock key placement. It physically held down shift, right? [Anyone on the tag know?] )

    I LOVE what Apple did to the Esc key, making it the size of Tab. I think if the Esc key were this large, putting it at the top-left feels right for the semantics of a 'back'/'cancel' button.
    I get Vim/Vi users might not like that though 😀

  30. @rl_dane I really think that caps lock should have been a top-row key. (Although I get the historical reasons, involving and the original shift lock key placement. It physically held down shift, right? [Anyone on the #typewriters tag know?] )

    I LOVE what Apple did to the Esc key, making it the size of Tab. I think if the Esc key were this large, putting it at the top-left feels right for the semantics of a 'back'/'cancel' button.
    I get Vim/Vi users might not like that though 😀

    #keyboards