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Semiotics - why an LLM doesn't
Saussure, Peirce and Derrida as the key to understanding LLMs. Why a model is not a mind, but a mach...
https://gruszka.dev/en/semiotics-and-llm.html
#llm #ai #semiotics #signs #linguistics #languagemodels #saussure #peirce #derrida -
Semiotics - why an LLM doesn't
Saussure, Peirce and Derrida as the key to understanding LLMs. Why a model is not a mind, but a mach...
https://gruszka.dev/en/semiotics-and-llm.html
#llm #ai #semiotics #signs #linguistics #languagemodels #saussure #peirce #derrida -
Semiotics - why an LLM doesn't
Saussure, Peirce and Derrida as the key to understanding LLMs. Why a model is not a mind, but a mach...
https://gruszka.dev/en/semiotics-and-llm.html
#llm #ai #semiotics #signs #linguistics #languagemodels #saussure #peirce #derrida -
Semiotics - why an LLM doesn't
Saussure, Peirce and Derrida as the key to understanding LLMs. Why a model is not a mind, but a mach...
https://gruszka.dev/en/semiotics-and-llm.html
#llm #ai #semiotics #signs #linguistics #languagemodels #saussure #peirce #derrida -
Semiotics - why an LLM doesn't
Saussure, Peirce and Derrida as the key to understanding LLMs. Why a model is not a mind, but a mach...
https://gruszka.dev/en/semiotics-and-llm.html
#llm #ai #semiotics #signs #linguistics #languagemodels #saussure #peirce #derrida -
Semiotyka - dlaczego LLM nie
Saussure, Peirce i Derrida jako klucz do zrozumienia LLM. Dlaczego model to nie umysł, ale maszyna z...
https://gruszka.dev/semiotyka-a-llm.html
#llm #ai #semiotyka #znaki #linguistics #languagemodels #saussure #peirce #derrida -
Semiotyka - dlaczego LLM nie
Saussure, Peirce i Derrida jako klucz do zrozumienia LLM. Dlaczego model to nie umysł, ale maszyna z...
https://gruszka.dev/semiotyka-a-llm.html
#llm #ai #semiotyka #znaki #linguistics #languagemodels #saussure #peirce #derrida -
Semiotyka - dlaczego LLM nie
Saussure, Peirce i Derrida jako klucz do zrozumienia LLM. Dlaczego model to nie umysł, ale maszyna z...
https://gruszka.dev/semiotyka-a-llm.html
#llm #ai #semiotyka #znaki #linguistics #languagemodels #saussure #peirce #derrida -
Semiotyka - dlaczego LLM nie
Saussure, Peirce i Derrida jako klucz do zrozumienia LLM. Dlaczego model to nie umysł, ale maszyna z...
https://gruszka.dev/semiotyka-a-llm.html
#llm #ai #semiotyka #znaki #linguistics #languagemodels #saussure #peirce #derrida -
Semiotyka - dlaczego LLM nie
Saussure, Peirce i Derrida jako klucz do zrozumienia LLM. Dlaczego model to nie umysł, ale maszyna z...
https://gruszka.dev/semiotyka-a-llm.html
#llm #ai #semiotyka #znaki #linguistics #languagemodels #saussure #peirce #derrida -
Semiotics - why an LLM doesn't
Saussure, Peirce and Derrida as the key to understanding LLMs. Why a model is not a mind, but a mach...
https://gruszka.dev/en/semiotics-and-llm.html
#llm #ai #semiotics #signs #linguistics #languagemodels #saussure #peirce #derrida -
Semiotics - why an LLM doesn't
Saussure, Peirce and Derrida as the key to understanding LLMs. Why a model is not a mind, but a mach...
https://gruszka.dev/en/semiotics-and-llm.html
#llm #ai #semiotics #signs #linguistics #languagemodels #saussure #peirce #derrida -
Semiotics - why an LLM doesn't
Saussure, Peirce and Derrida as the key to understanding LLMs. Why a model is not a mind, but a mach...
https://gruszka.dev/en/semiotics-and-llm.html
#llm #ai #semiotics #signs #linguistics #languagemodels #saussure #peirce #derrida -
Semiotics - why an LLM doesn't
Saussure, Peirce and Derrida as the key to understanding LLMs. Why a model is not a mind, but a mach...
https://gruszka.dev/en/semiotics-and-llm.html
#llm #ai #semiotics #signs #linguistics #languagemodels #saussure #peirce #derrida -
Semiotics - why an LLM doesn't
Saussure, Peirce and Derrida as the key to understanding LLMs. Why a model is not a mind, but a mach...
https://gruszka.dev/en/semiotics-and-llm.html
#llm #ai #semiotics #signs #linguistics #languagemodels #saussure #peirce #derrida -
Semiotyka - dlaczego LLM nie
Saussure, Peirce i Derrida jako klucz do zrozumienia LLM. Dlaczego model to nie umysł, ale maszyna z...
https://gruszka.dev/semiotyka-a-llm.html
#llm #ai #semiotyka #znaki #linguistics #languagemodels #saussure #peirce #derrida -
Semiotyka - dlaczego LLM nie
Saussure, Peirce i Derrida jako klucz do zrozumienia LLM. Dlaczego model to nie umysł, ale maszyna z...
https://gruszka.dev/semiotyka-a-llm.html
#llm #ai #semiotyka #znaki #linguistics #languagemodels #saussure #peirce #derrida -
Semiotyka - dlaczego LLM nie
Saussure, Peirce i Derrida jako klucz do zrozumienia LLM. Dlaczego model to nie umysł, ale maszyna z...
https://gruszka.dev/semiotyka-a-llm.html
#llm #ai #semiotyka #znaki #linguistics #languagemodels #saussure #peirce #derrida -
Semiotyka - dlaczego LLM nie
Saussure, Peirce i Derrida jako klucz do zrozumienia LLM. Dlaczego model to nie umysł, ale maszyna z...
https://gruszka.dev/semiotyka-a-llm.html
#llm #ai #semiotyka #znaki #linguistics #languagemodels #saussure #peirce #derrida -
Semiotyka - dlaczego LLM nie
Saussure, Peirce i Derrida jako klucz do zrozumienia LLM. Dlaczego model to nie umysł, ale maszyna z...
https://gruszka.dev/semiotyka-a-llm.html
#llm #ai #semiotyka #znaki #linguistics #languagemodels #saussure #peirce #derrida -
I discuss A Language Insufficiency Hypothesis, Chapter 1: A Genealogy of Insufficiency – From Ancient Greece through the 20th Century.
👉 https://youtu.be/A-yoDtJ_ICE
#philosophy #language #video #youtube #genealogy #hypothesis #foucault #semantics #pragmatics #communication #power #ideology #structure #plato #aristotle #Wittgenstein #shadows #augustine #Locke #Liebnitz #Nietzsche #Gödel #Saussure #barthes #shannon #cognition #cognitivescience #rationality
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I discuss A Language Insufficiency Hypothesis, Chapter 1: A Genealogy of Insufficiency – From Ancient Greece through the 20th Century.
👉 https://youtu.be/A-yoDtJ_ICE
#philosophy #language #video #youtube #genealogy #hypothesis #foucault #semantics #pragmatics #communication #power #ideology #structure #plato #aristotle #Wittgenstein #shadows #augustine #Locke #Liebnitz #Nietzsche #Gödel #Saussure #barthes #shannon #cognition #cognitivescience #rationality
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I discuss A Language Insufficiency Hypothesis, Chapter 1: A Genealogy of Insufficiency – From Ancient Greece through the 20th Century.
👉 https://youtu.be/A-yoDtJ_ICE
#philosophy #language #video #youtube #genealogy #hypothesis #foucault #semantics #pragmatics #communication #power #ideology #structure #plato #aristotle #Wittgenstein #shadows #augustine #Locke #Liebnitz #Nietzsche #Gödel #Saussure #barthes #shannon #cognition #cognitivescience #rationality
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I discuss A Language Insufficiency Hypothesis, Chapter 1: A Genealogy of Insufficiency – From Ancient Greece through the 20th Century.
👉 https://youtu.be/A-yoDtJ_ICE
#philosophy #language #video #youtube #genealogy #hypothesis #foucault #semantics #pragmatics #communication #power #ideology #structure #plato #aristotle #Wittgenstein #shadows #augustine #Locke #Liebnitz #Nietzsche #Gödel #Saussure #barthes #shannon #cognition #cognitivescience #rationality
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I discuss A Language Insufficiency Hypothesis, Chapter 1: A Genealogy of Insufficiency – From Ancient Greece through the 20th Century.
👉 https://youtu.be/A-yoDtJ_ICE
#philosophy #language #video #youtube #genealogy #hypothesis #foucault #semantics #pragmatics #communication #power #ideology #structure #plato #aristotle #Wittgenstein #shadows #augustine #Locke #Liebnitz #Nietzsche #Gödel #Saussure #barthes #shannon #cognition #cognitivescience #rationality
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istituzione e differenza, intervista a tullio de mauro: ferdinand de saussure
“Insegnare Saussure, studiare Saussure“. A cent’anni dalla scomparsa del grande linguista ginevrino, emerge in primo piano l’esigenza di riflettere sugli avanzamenti o le battute di arresto delle scuole e degli studi dedicati all’autore del Cours. Nel convegno di Cosenza si confrontano studiosi giovani e meno giovani che si sono dedicati, con impegno duraturo e appassionato, all’insegnamento di Saussure e alla ricerca sui temi a lui più cari. Non si tratta semplicemente di mappare le università o i dipartimenti dove Saussure viene insegnato e studiato, quanto di presentare linee di ricerca inedite e nuovi motivi di insegnamento. Anziché limitarsi a censire quanto è stato fatto fino ad oggi, queste giornate si concentrano su quanto rimane ancora da fare, nella convinzione che Saussure sia un riferimento indiscusso per le scienze umane che mettono al centro della loro ricerca il segno linguistico, la lingua come sistema e la facoltà di linguaggio.
#Cours #deSaussure #differenza #FerdinandDeSaussure #filosofiaDelLinguaggio #InsegnareSaussureStudiareSaussure #istituzione #Saussure #TullioDeMauro
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istituzione e differenza, intervista a tullio de mauro: ferdinand de saussure
“Insegnare Saussure, studiare Saussure“. A cent’anni dalla scomparsa del grande linguista ginevrino, emerge in primo piano l’esigenza di riflettere sugli avanzamenti o le battute di arresto delle scuole e degli studi dedicati all’autore del Cours. Nel convegno di Cosenza si confrontano studiosi giovani e meno giovani che si sono dedicati, con impegno duraturo e appassionato, all’insegnamento di Saussure e alla ricerca sui temi a lui più cari. Non si tratta semplicemente di mappare le università o i dipartimenti dove Saussure viene insegnato e studiato, quanto di presentare linee di ricerca inedite e nuovi motivi di insegnamento. Anziché limitarsi a censire quanto è stato fatto fino ad oggi, queste giornate si concentrano su quanto rimane ancora da fare, nella convinzione che Saussure sia un riferimento indiscusso per le scienze umane che mettono al centro della loro ricerca il segno linguistico, la lingua come sistema e la facoltà di linguaggio.
#Cours #deSaussure #differenza #FerdinandDeSaussure #filosofiaDelLinguaggio #InsegnareSaussureStudiareSaussure #istituzione #Saussure #TullioDeMauro
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istituzione e differenza, intervista a paolo virno: ferdinand de saussure (2013)
“Insegnare Saussure, studiare Saussure“. A cent’anni dalla scomparsa del grande linguista ginevrino, emerge in primo piano l’esigenza di riflettere sugli avanzamenti o le battute di arresto delle scuole e degli studi dedicati all’autore del Cours. Nel convegno di Cosenza si confrontano studiosi giovani e meno giovani che si sono dedicati, con impegno duraturo e appassionato, all’insegnamento di Saussure e alla ricerca sui temi a lui più cari. Non si tratta semplicemente di mappare le università o i dipartimenti dove Saussure viene insegnato e studiato, quanto di presentare linee di ricerca inedite e nuovi motivi di insegnamento. Anziché limitarsi a censire quanto è stato fatto fino ad oggi, queste giornate si concentrano su quanto rimane ancora da fare, nella convinzione che Saussure sia un riferimento indiscusso per le scienze umane che mettono al centro della loro ricerca il segno linguistico, la lingua come sistema e la facoltà di linguaggio.
#Cours #deSaussure #differenza #FerdinandDeSaussure #filosofiaDelLinguaggio #InsegnareSaussureStudiareSaussure #istituzione #PaoloVirno #Saussure
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istituzione e differenza, intervista a paolo virno: ferdinand de saussure (2013)
“Insegnare Saussure, studiare Saussure“. A cent’anni dalla scomparsa del grande linguista ginevrino, emerge in primo piano l’esigenza di riflettere sugli avanzamenti o le battute di arresto delle scuole e degli studi dedicati all’autore del Cours. Nel convegno di Cosenza si confrontano studiosi giovani e meno giovani che si sono dedicati, con impegno duraturo e appassionato, all’insegnamento di Saussure e alla ricerca sui temi a lui più cari. Non si tratta semplicemente di mappare le università o i dipartimenti dove Saussure viene insegnato e studiato, quanto di presentare linee di ricerca inedite e nuovi motivi di insegnamento. Anziché limitarsi a censire quanto è stato fatto fino ad oggi, queste giornate si concentrano su quanto rimane ancora da fare, nella convinzione che Saussure sia un riferimento indiscusso per le scienze umane che mettono al centro della loro ricerca il segno linguistico, la lingua come sistema e la facoltà di linguaggio.
#Cours #deSaussure #differenza #FerdinandDeSaussure #filosofiaDelLinguaggio #InsegnareSaussureStudiareSaussure #istituzione #PaoloVirno #Saussure
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margo003_ smontaggio del discorso, 1, interruzione
https://youtu.be/wrzBZm7vdY0
https://differx.noblogs.org/2025/12/24/margo003_-smontaggio-del-discorso-1-interruzione/
#audiovideo #differx #TestiDiMgOnline #video #interruzione #margo #Margo003_SmontaggioDelDiscorso #Saussure #video -
margo003_ smontaggio del discorso, 1, interruzione
https://youtu.be/wrzBZm7vdY0
https://differx.noblogs.org/2025/12/24/margo003_-smontaggio-del-discorso-1-interruzione/
#audiovideo #differx #TestiDiMgOnline #video #interruzione #margo #Margo003_SmontaggioDelDiscorso #Saussure #video -
Reading #Baudrillard s Symbolic Exchange and Death and it‘s eerie how well this fits as an analysis of the current conjuncture. Baudrillard remains the most Marxist of the Postmodernists, and his Freudomarxism and parallelism of value theory and semiotics leading him to diagnose the degradation of the law of value into the commutability of all values as well as signs suddenly seems so pertinent.
I knew his media theory and always took him as one of the ontologists and pessimists but he really isn’t, he’s obviously obsessed with Brecht (who he translated into German), and he tries to establish a new form of Marxist analysis for a new age that he sees unfolding and which we are now seeing attaining its full form.
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Reading #Baudrillard s Symbolic Exchange and Death and it‘s eerie how well this fits as an analysis of the current conjuncture. Baudrillard remains the most Marxist of the Postmodernists, and his Freudomarxism and parallelism of value theory and semiotics leading him to diagnose the degradation of the law of value into the commutability of all values as well as signs suddenly seems so pertinent.
I knew his media theory and always took him as one of the ontologists and pessimists but he really isn’t, he’s obviously obsessed with Brecht (who he translated into German), and he tries to establish a new form of Marxist analysis for a new age that he sees unfolding and which we are now seeing attaining its full form.
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Reading #Baudrillard s Symbolic Exchange and Death and it‘s eerie how well this fits as an analysis of the current conjuncture. Baudrillard remains the most Marxist of the Postmodernists, and his Freudomarxism and parallelism of value theory and semiotics leading him to diagnose the degradation of the law of value into the commutability of all values as well as signs suddenly seems so pertinent.
I knew his media theory and always took him as one of the ontologists and pessimists but he really isn’t, he’s obviously obsessed with Brecht (who he translated into German), and he tries to establish a new form of Marxist analysis for a new age that he sees unfolding and which we are now seeing attaining its full form.
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Reading #Baudrillard s Symbolic Exchange and Death and it‘s eerie how well this fits as an analysis of the current conjuncture. Baudrillard remains the most Marxist of the Postmodernists, and his Freudomarxism and parallelism of value theory and semiotics leading him to diagnose the degradation of the law of value into the commutability of all values as well as signs suddenly seems so pertinent.
I knew his media theory and always took him as one of the ontologists and pessimists but he really isn’t, he’s obviously obsessed with Brecht (who he translated into German), and he tries to establish a new form of Marxist analysis for a new age that he sees unfolding and which we are now seeing attaining its full form.
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Reading #Baudrillard s Symbolic Exchange and Death and it‘s eerie how well this fits as an analysis of the current conjuncture. Baudrillard remains the most Marxist of the Postmodernists, and his Freudomarxism and parallelism of value theory and semiotics leading him to diagnose the degradation of the law of value into the commutability of all values as well as signs suddenly seems so pertinent.
I knew his media theory and always took him as one of the ontologists and pessimists but he really isn’t, he’s obviously obsessed with Brecht (who he translated into German), and he tries to establish a new form of Marxist analysis for a new age that he sees unfolding and which we are now seeing attaining its full form.
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Did #Heraclitus say that you can't step into the same river twice? The answer may shock you!
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Did #Heraclitus say that you can't step into the same river twice? The answer may shock you!
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Did #Heraclitus say that you can't step into the same river twice? The answer may shock you!
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Did #Heraclitus say that you can't step into the same river twice? The answer may shock you!
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Did #Heraclitus say that you can't step into the same river twice? The answer may shock you!
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There's great stuff in these issues of Babel, and I've begun dipping into the book, which will be a very useful reference work. Thank you, @babel
(It's a prize for this seasonal Tom Swifty: "The dates in this old calendar work again this year!" Tom said adventitiously.)
#language #linguistics #magazine #books #reference #Saussure #TomSwifty #jokes
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There's great stuff in these issues of Babel, and I've begun dipping into the book, which will be a very useful reference work. Thank you, @babel
(It's a prize for this seasonal Tom Swifty: "The dates in this old calendar work again this year!" Tom said adventitiously.)
#language #linguistics #magazine #books #reference #Saussure #TomSwifty #jokes
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There's great stuff in these issues of Babel, and I've begun dipping into the book, which will be a very useful reference work. Thank you, @babel
(It's a prize for this seasonal Tom Swifty: "The dates in this old calendar work again this year!" Tom said adventitiously.)
#language #linguistics #magazine #books #reference #Saussure #TomSwifty #jokes
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There's great stuff in these issues of Babel, and I've begun dipping into the book, which will be a very useful reference work. Thank you, @babel
(It's a prize for this seasonal Tom Swifty: "The dates in this old calendar work again this year!" Tom said adventitiously.)
#language #linguistics #magazine #books #reference #Saussure #TomSwifty #jokes
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There's great stuff in these issues of Babel, and I've begun dipping into the book, which will be a very useful reference work. Thank you, @babel
(It's a prize for this seasonal Tom Swifty: "The dates in this old calendar work again this year!" Tom said adventitiously.)
#language #linguistics #magazine #books #reference #Saussure #TomSwifty #jokes
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Potkin #Saussure'a ja #Langacker'ia m*nille melkein puolivahingossa. Tai no jälkimmäiseen tähtään tarkoituksella. Mutta pitäisi vakiinnuttaa kätevä ilmaisutapa erottaa Kurssin ”Saussure” siitä ”Saussurestä”, joka kirjeissään ja muistiinpanoissaan puuhasteli paljon viisaampia. Muuten menee vaikeaksi. #tiedejuttuja #kielitiede
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Potkin #Saussure'a ja #Langacker'ia m*nille melkein puolivahingossa. Tai no jälkimmäiseen tähtään tarkoituksella. Mutta pitäisi vakiinnuttaa kätevä ilmaisutapa erottaa Kurssin ”Saussure” siitä ”Saussurestä”, joka kirjeissään ja muistiinpanoissaan puuhasteli paljon viisaampia. Muuten menee vaikeaksi. #tiedejuttuja #kielitiede
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Potkin #Saussure'a ja #Langacker'ia m*nille melkein puolivahingossa. Tai no jälkimmäiseen tähtään tarkoituksella. Mutta pitäisi vakiinnuttaa kätevä ilmaisutapa erottaa Kurssin ”Saussure” siitä ”Saussurestä”, joka kirjeissään ja muistiinpanoissaan puuhasteli paljon viisaampia. Muuten menee vaikeaksi. #tiedejuttuja #kielitiede
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Potkin #Saussure'a ja #Langacker'ia m*nille melkein puolivahingossa. Tai no jälkimmäiseen tähtään tarkoituksella. Mutta pitäisi vakiinnuttaa kätevä ilmaisutapa erottaa Kurssin ”Saussure” siitä ”Saussurestä”, joka kirjeissään ja muistiinpanoissaan puuhasteli paljon viisaampia. Muuten menee vaikeaksi. #tiedejuttuja #kielitiede
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Potkin #Saussure'a ja #Langacker'ia m*nille melkein puolivahingossa. Tai no jälkimmäiseen tähtään tarkoituksella. Mutta pitäisi vakiinnuttaa kätevä ilmaisutapa erottaa Kurssin ”Saussure” siitä ”Saussurestä”, joka kirjeissään ja muistiinpanoissaan puuhasteli paljon viisaampia. Muuten menee vaikeaksi. #tiedejuttuja #kielitiede
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Sign Relations, Triadic Relations, Relation Theory • Discussion 11
• https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2023/09/12/sign-relations-triadic-relations-relation-theory-discussion-11/Re: Michael Shapiro • Redefining Arbitrariness in Language
• https://languagelore.net/
• https://languagelore.net/2023/04/03/redefi-ning-arbitrariness-in-language/<QUOTE MS:>
The matter of arbitrariness in language is primarily associated with the work of the Swiss linguist, Ferdinand de Saussure (1857–1913), whose book of lectures, Cours de linguistique Générale, is widely recognized to have laid the foundations of European structural linguistics in the twentieth century. One of Saussure's most quoted positions points out that the meaning of words is arbitrary, in that, for instance, the word “arbre” in French and its equivalent “tree” in English have nothing to do “naturally” with the object they signify. Any other sequence of sounds could in theory designate the same object. These are just the words French and English happen to have inherited from their history.
</QUOTE>My Comment —
I prefer to think of the word “arbitrary” as reminding us how every aspect of a sign's functioning is relative to an arbiter, a judge, an interpreter. That brings semiology more into harmony with Peirce's semiotics — if only Saussure had realized how it embeds all dyadic sign relations within the fold of triadic sign relations!
#Peirce #Semiotics #Saussure #Semiology #Symbols #Symbolism
#SignRelation #TriadicRelation #RelationTheory #Arbitrarity -
Sign Relations, Triadic Relations, Relation Theory • Discussion 11
• https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2023/09/12/sign-relations-triadic-relations-relation-theory-discussion-11/Re: Michael Shapiro • Redefining Arbitrariness in Language
• https://languagelore.net/
• https://languagelore.net/2023/04/03/redefi-ning-arbitrariness-in-language/<QUOTE MS:>
The matter of arbitrariness in language is primarily associated with the work of the Swiss linguist, Ferdinand de Saussure (1857–1913), whose book of lectures, Cours de linguistique Générale, is widely recognized to have laid the foundations of European structural linguistics in the twentieth century. One of Saussure's most quoted positions points out that the meaning of words is arbitrary, in that, for instance, the word “arbre” in French and its equivalent “tree” in English have nothing to do “naturally” with the object they signify. Any other sequence of sounds could in theory designate the same object. These are just the words French and English happen to have inherited from their history.
</QUOTE>My Comment —
I prefer to think of the word “arbitrary” as reminding us how every aspect of a sign's functioning is relative to an arbiter, a judge, an interpreter. That brings semiology more into harmony with Peirce's semiotics — if only Saussure had realized how it embeds all dyadic sign relations within the fold of triadic sign relations!
#Peirce #Semiotics #Saussure #Semiology #Symbols #Symbolism
#SignRelation #TriadicRelation #RelationTheory #Arbitrarity -
Sign Relations, Triadic Relations, Relation Theory • Discussion 11
• https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2023/09/12/sign-relations-triadic-relations-relation-theory-discussion-11/Re: Michael Shapiro • Redefining Arbitrariness in Language
• https://languagelore.net/
• https://languagelore.net/2023/04/03/redefi-ning-arbitrariness-in-language/<QUOTE MS:>
The matter of arbitrariness in language is primarily associated with the work of the Swiss linguist, Ferdinand de Saussure (1857–1913), whose book of lectures, Cours de linguistique Générale, is widely recognized to have laid the foundations of European structural linguistics in the twentieth century. One of Saussure's most quoted positions points out that the meaning of words is arbitrary, in that, for instance, the word “arbre” in French and its equivalent “tree” in English have nothing to do “naturally” with the object they signify. Any other sequence of sounds could in theory designate the same object. These are just the words French and English happen to have inherited from their history.
</QUOTE>My Comment —
I prefer to think of the word “arbitrary” as reminding us how every aspect of a sign's functioning is relative to an arbiter, a judge, an interpreter. That brings semiology more into harmony with Peirce's semiotics — if only Saussure had realized how it embeds all dyadic sign relations within the fold of triadic sign relations!
#Peirce #Semiotics #Saussure #Semiology #Symbols #Symbolism
#SignRelation #TriadicRelation #RelationTheory #Arbitrarity -
Sign Relations, Triadic Relations, Relation Theory • Discussion 11
• https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2023/09/12/sign-relations-triadic-relations-relation-theory-discussion-11/Re: Michael Shapiro • Redefining Arbitrariness in Language
• https://languagelore.net/
• https://languagelore.net/2023/04/03/redefi-ning-arbitrariness-in-language/<QUOTE MS:>
The matter of arbitrariness in language is primarily associated with the work of the Swiss linguist, Ferdinand de Saussure (1857–1913), whose book of lectures, Cours de linguistique Générale, is widely recognized to have laid the foundations of European structural linguistics in the twentieth century. One of Saussure's most quoted positions points out that the meaning of words is arbitrary, in that, for instance, the word “arbre” in French and its equivalent “tree” in English have nothing to do “naturally” with the object they signify. Any other sequence of sounds could in theory designate the same object. These are just the words French and English happen to have inherited from their history.
</QUOTE>My Comment —
I prefer to think of the word “arbitrary” as reminding us how every aspect of a sign's functioning is relative to an arbiter, a judge, an interpreter. That brings semiology more into harmony with Peirce's semiotics — if only Saussure had realized how it embeds all dyadic sign relations within the fold of triadic sign relations!
#Peirce #Semiotics #Saussure #Semiology #Symbols #Symbolism
#SignRelation #TriadicRelation #RelationTheory #Arbitrarity -
Sign Relations, Triadic Relations, Relation Theory • Discussion 11
• https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2023/09/12/sign-relations-triadic-relations-relation-theory-discussion-11/Re: Michael Shapiro • Redefining Arbitrariness in Language
• https://languagelore.net/
• https://languagelore.net/2023/04/03/redefi-ning-arbitrariness-in-language/<QUOTE MS:>
The matter of arbitrariness in language is primarily associated with the work of the Swiss linguist, Ferdinand de Saussure (1857–1913), whose book of lectures, Cours de linguistique Générale, is widely recognized to have laid the foundations of European structural linguistics in the twentieth century. One of Saussure's most quoted positions points out that the meaning of words is arbitrary, in that, for instance, the word “arbre” in French and its equivalent “tree” in English have nothing to do “naturally” with the object they signify. Any other sequence of sounds could in theory designate the same object. These are just the words French and English happen to have inherited from their history.
</QUOTE>My Comment —
I prefer to think of the word “arbitrary” as reminding us how every aspect of a sign's functioning is relative to an arbiter, a judge, an interpreter. That brings semiology more into harmony with Peirce's semiotics — if only Saussure had realized how it embeds all dyadic sign relations within the fold of triadic sign relations!
#Peirce #Semiotics #Saussure #Semiology #Symbols #Symbolism
#SignRelation #TriadicRelation #RelationTheory #Arbitrarity -
I'll always be talking about Peircean semiotics here.
Up until 15 or 20 years ago folks observed the distinction between #Peirce's #Semiotics or #Semeiotics and #Saussure's #Semiology, but then some European schools decided the latter term was not sexy enough and they switched. More confusion than fusion ensued. Today we have as much pop semiotics as pop psychology, which is a good when it draws people into the fold but less good when it leaves the field spindled and mutilated.
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I'll always be talking about Peircean semiotics here.
Up until 15 or 20 years ago folks observed the distinction between #Peirce's #Semiotics or #Semeiotic(s) and #Saussure's #Semiology, but then some European schools decided the latter term was not sexy enough and they switched. More confusion than fusion ensued. Today we have as much pop semiotics as pop psychology, which is a good when it draws people into the fold but less good when it leaves the field spindled and mutilated.
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I'll always be talking about Peircean semiotics here.
Up until 15 or 20 years ago folks observed the distinction between #Peirce's #Semiotics or #Semeiotic(s) and #Saussure's #Semiology, but then some European schools decided the latter term was not sexy enough and they switched. More confusion than fusion ensued. Today we have as much pop semiotics as pop psychology, which is a good when it draws people into the fold but less good when it leaves the field spindled and mutilated.
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I'll always be talking about Peircean semiotics here.
Up until 15 or 20 years ago folks observed the distinction between #Peirce's #Semiotics or #Semeiotics and #Saussure's #Semiology, but then some European schools decided the latter term was not sexy enough and they switched. More confusion than fusion ensued. Today we have as much pop semiotics as pop psychology, which is a good when it draws people into the fold but less good when it leaves the field spindled and mutilated.