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  1. istituzione e differenza, intervista a tullio de mauro: ferdinand de saussure

    Insegnare Saussure, studiare Saussure“. A cent’anni dalla scomparsa del grande linguista ginevrino, emerge in primo piano l’esigenza di riflettere sugli avanzamenti o le battute di arresto delle scuole e degli studi dedicati all’autore del Cours. Nel convegno di Cosenza si confrontano studiosi giovani e meno giovani che si sono dedicati, con impegno duraturo e appassionato, all’insegnamento di Saussure e alla ricerca sui temi a lui più cari. Non si tratta semplicemente di mappare le università o i dipartimenti dove Saussure viene insegnato e studiato, quanto di presentare linee di ricerca inedite e nuovi motivi di insegnamento. Anziché limitarsi a censire quanto è stato fatto fino ad oggi, queste giornate si concentrano su quanto rimane ancora da fare, nella convinzione che Saussure sia un riferimento indiscusso per le scienze umane che mettono al centro della loro ricerca il segno linguistico, la lingua come sistema e la facoltà di linguaggio.

    #Cours #deSaussure #differenza #FerdinandDeSaussure #filosofiaDelLinguaggio #InsegnareSaussureStudiareSaussure #istituzione #Saussure #TullioDeMauro

  2. istituzione e differenza, intervista a tullio de mauro: ferdinand de saussure

    Insegnare Saussure, studiare Saussure“. A cent’anni dalla scomparsa del grande linguista ginevrino, emerge in primo piano l’esigenza di riflettere sugli avanzamenti o le battute di arresto delle scuole e degli studi dedicati all’autore del Cours. Nel convegno di Cosenza si confrontano studiosi giovani e meno giovani che si sono dedicati, con impegno duraturo e appassionato, all’insegnamento di Saussure e alla ricerca sui temi a lui più cari. Non si tratta semplicemente di mappare le università o i dipartimenti dove Saussure viene insegnato e studiato, quanto di presentare linee di ricerca inedite e nuovi motivi di insegnamento. Anziché limitarsi a censire quanto è stato fatto fino ad oggi, queste giornate si concentrano su quanto rimane ancora da fare, nella convinzione che Saussure sia un riferimento indiscusso per le scienze umane che mettono al centro della loro ricerca il segno linguistico, la lingua come sistema e la facoltà di linguaggio.

    #Cours #deSaussure #differenza #FerdinandDeSaussure #filosofiaDelLinguaggio #InsegnareSaussureStudiareSaussure #istituzione #Saussure #TullioDeMauro

  3. istituzione e differenza, intervista a paolo virno: ferdinand de saussure (2013)

    Insegnare Saussure, studiare Saussure“. A cent’anni dalla scomparsa del grande linguista ginevrino, emerge in primo piano l’esigenza di riflettere sugli avanzamenti o le battute di arresto delle scuole e degli studi dedicati all’autore del Cours. Nel convegno di Cosenza si confrontano studiosi giovani e meno giovani che si sono dedicati, con impegno duraturo e appassionato, all’insegnamento di Saussure e alla ricerca sui temi a lui più cari. Non si tratta semplicemente di mappare le università o i dipartimenti dove Saussure viene insegnato e studiato, quanto di presentare linee di ricerca inedite e nuovi motivi di insegnamento. Anziché limitarsi a censire quanto è stato fatto fino ad oggi, queste giornate si concentrano su quanto rimane ancora da fare, nella convinzione che Saussure sia un riferimento indiscusso per le scienze umane che mettono al centro della loro ricerca il segno linguistico, la lingua come sistema e la facoltà di linguaggio.

    #Cours #deSaussure #differenza #FerdinandDeSaussure #filosofiaDelLinguaggio #InsegnareSaussureStudiareSaussure #istituzione #PaoloVirno #Saussure

  4. istituzione e differenza, intervista a paolo virno: ferdinand de saussure (2013)

    Insegnare Saussure, studiare Saussure“. A cent’anni dalla scomparsa del grande linguista ginevrino, emerge in primo piano l’esigenza di riflettere sugli avanzamenti o le battute di arresto delle scuole e degli studi dedicati all’autore del Cours. Nel convegno di Cosenza si confrontano studiosi giovani e meno giovani che si sono dedicati, con impegno duraturo e appassionato, all’insegnamento di Saussure e alla ricerca sui temi a lui più cari. Non si tratta semplicemente di mappare le università o i dipartimenti dove Saussure viene insegnato e studiato, quanto di presentare linee di ricerca inedite e nuovi motivi di insegnamento. Anziché limitarsi a censire quanto è stato fatto fino ad oggi, queste giornate si concentrano su quanto rimane ancora da fare, nella convinzione che Saussure sia un riferimento indiscusso per le scienze umane che mettono al centro della loro ricerca il segno linguistico, la lingua come sistema e la facoltà di linguaggio.

    #Cours #deSaussure #differenza #FerdinandDeSaussure #filosofiaDelLinguaggio #InsegnareSaussureStudiareSaussure #istituzione #PaoloVirno #Saussure

  5. Reading #Baudrillard s Symbolic Exchange and Death and it‘s eerie how well this fits as an analysis of the current conjuncture. Baudrillard remains the most Marxist of the Postmodernists, and his Freudomarxism and parallelism of value theory and semiotics leading him to diagnose the degradation of the law of value into the commutability of all values as well as signs suddenly seems so pertinent.

    I knew his media theory and always took him as one of the ontologists and pessimists but he really isn’t, he’s obviously obsessed with Brecht (who he translated into German), and he tries to establish a new form of Marxist analysis for a new age that he sees unfolding and which we are now seeing attaining its full form.

    #Marxism #Marx #Saussure #Freud

  6. Reading #Baudrillard s Symbolic Exchange and Death and it‘s eerie how well this fits as an analysis of the current conjuncture. Baudrillard remains the most Marxist of the Postmodernists, and his Freudomarxism and parallelism of value theory and semiotics leading him to diagnose the degradation of the law of value into the commutability of all values as well as signs suddenly seems so pertinent.

    I knew his media theory and always took him as one of the ontologists and pessimists but he really isn’t, he’s obviously obsessed with Brecht (who he translated into German), and he tries to establish a new form of Marxist analysis for a new age that he sees unfolding and which we are now seeing attaining its full form.

    #Marxism #Marx #Saussure #Freud

  7. Reading #Baudrillard s Symbolic Exchange and Death and it‘s eerie how well this fits as an analysis of the current conjuncture. Baudrillard remains the most Marxist of the Postmodernists, and his Freudomarxism and parallelism of value theory and semiotics leading him to diagnose the degradation of the law of value into the commutability of all values as well as signs suddenly seems so pertinent.

    I knew his media theory and always took him as one of the ontologists and pessimists but he really isn’t, he’s obviously obsessed with Brecht (who he translated into German), and he tries to establish a new form of Marxist analysis for a new age that he sees unfolding and which we are now seeing attaining its full form.

    #Marxism #Marx #Saussure #Freud

  8. Reading #Baudrillard s Symbolic Exchange and Death and it‘s eerie how well this fits as an analysis of the current conjuncture. Baudrillard remains the most Marxist of the Postmodernists, and his Freudomarxism and parallelism of value theory and semiotics leading him to diagnose the degradation of the law of value into the commutability of all values as well as signs suddenly seems so pertinent.

    I knew his media theory and always took him as one of the ontologists and pessimists but he really isn’t, he’s obviously obsessed with Brecht (who he translated into German), and he tries to establish a new form of Marxist analysis for a new age that he sees unfolding and which we are now seeing attaining its full form.

    #Marxism #Marx #Saussure #Freud

  9. Reading #Baudrillard s Symbolic Exchange and Death and it‘s eerie how well this fits as an analysis of the current conjuncture. Baudrillard remains the most Marxist of the Postmodernists, and his Freudomarxism and parallelism of value theory and semiotics leading him to diagnose the degradation of the law of value into the commutability of all values as well as signs suddenly seems so pertinent.

    I knew his media theory and always took him as one of the ontologists and pessimists but he really isn’t, he’s obviously obsessed with Brecht (who he translated into German), and he tries to establish a new form of Marxist analysis for a new age that he sees unfolding and which we are now seeing attaining its full form.

    #Marxism #Marx #Saussure #Freud

  10. There's great stuff in these issues of Babel, and I've begun dipping into the book, which will be a very useful reference work. Thank you, @babel

    (It's a prize for this seasonal Tom Swifty: "The dates in this old calendar work again this year!" Tom said adventitiously.)

    #language #linguistics #magazine #books #reference #Saussure #TomSwifty #jokes

  11. There's great stuff in these issues of Babel, and I've begun dipping into the book, which will be a very useful reference work. Thank you, @babel

    (It's a prize for this seasonal Tom Swifty: "The dates in this old calendar work again this year!" Tom said adventitiously.)

    #language #linguistics #magazine #books #reference #Saussure #TomSwifty #jokes

  12. There's great stuff in these issues of Babel, and I've begun dipping into the book, which will be a very useful reference work. Thank you, @babel

    (It's a prize for this seasonal Tom Swifty: "The dates in this old calendar work again this year!" Tom said adventitiously.)

    #language #linguistics #magazine #books #reference #Saussure #TomSwifty #jokes

  13. There's great stuff in these issues of Babel, and I've begun dipping into the book, which will be a very useful reference work. Thank you, @babel

    (It's a prize for this seasonal Tom Swifty: "The dates in this old calendar work again this year!" Tom said adventitiously.)

    #language #linguistics #magazine #books #reference #Saussure #TomSwifty #jokes

  14. There's great stuff in these issues of Babel, and I've begun dipping into the book, which will be a very useful reference work. Thank you, @babel

    (It's a prize for this seasonal Tom Swifty: "The dates in this old calendar work again this year!" Tom said adventitiously.)

    #language #linguistics #magazine #books #reference #Saussure #TomSwifty #jokes

  15. Potkin #Saussure'a ja #Langacker'ia m*nille melkein puolivahingossa. Tai no jälkimmäiseen tähtään tarkoituksella. Mutta pitäisi vakiinnuttaa kätevä ilmaisutapa erottaa Kurssin ”Saussure” siitä ”Saussurestä”, joka kirjeissään ja muistiinpanoissaan puuhasteli paljon viisaampia. Muuten menee vaikeaksi. #tiedejuttuja #kielitiede

  16. Potkin #Saussure'a ja #Langacker'ia m*nille melkein puolivahingossa. Tai no jälkimmäiseen tähtään tarkoituksella. Mutta pitäisi vakiinnuttaa kätevä ilmaisutapa erottaa Kurssin ”Saussure” siitä ”Saussurestä”, joka kirjeissään ja muistiinpanoissaan puuhasteli paljon viisaampia. Muuten menee vaikeaksi. #tiedejuttuja #kielitiede

  17. Potkin #Saussure'a ja #Langacker'ia m*nille melkein puolivahingossa. Tai no jälkimmäiseen tähtään tarkoituksella. Mutta pitäisi vakiinnuttaa kätevä ilmaisutapa erottaa Kurssin ”Saussure” siitä ”Saussurestä”, joka kirjeissään ja muistiinpanoissaan puuhasteli paljon viisaampia. Muuten menee vaikeaksi. #tiedejuttuja #kielitiede

  18. Potkin #Saussure'a ja #Langacker'ia m*nille melkein puolivahingossa. Tai no jälkimmäiseen tähtään tarkoituksella. Mutta pitäisi vakiinnuttaa kätevä ilmaisutapa erottaa Kurssin ”Saussure” siitä ”Saussurestä”, joka kirjeissään ja muistiinpanoissaan puuhasteli paljon viisaampia. Muuten menee vaikeaksi. #tiedejuttuja #kielitiede

  19. Potkin #Saussure'a ja #Langacker'ia m*nille melkein puolivahingossa. Tai no jälkimmäiseen tähtään tarkoituksella. Mutta pitäisi vakiinnuttaa kätevä ilmaisutapa erottaa Kurssin ”Saussure” siitä ”Saussurestä”, joka kirjeissään ja muistiinpanoissaan puuhasteli paljon viisaampia. Muuten menee vaikeaksi. #tiedejuttuja #kielitiede

  20. Sign Relations, Triadic Relations, Relation Theory • Discussion 11
    inquiryintoinquiry.com/2023/09

    Re: Michael Shapiro • Redefining Arbitrariness in Language
    languagelore.net/
    languagelore.net/2023/04/03/re

    <QUOTE MS:>
    The matter of arbitrariness in language is primarily associated with the work of the Swiss linguist, Ferdinand de Saussure (1857–1913), whose book of lectures, Cours de linguistique Générale, is widely recognized to have laid the foundations of European structural linguistics in the twentieth century. One of Saussure's most quoted positions points out that the meaning of words is arbitrary, in that, for instance, the word “arbre” in French and its equivalent “tree” in English have nothing to do “naturally” with the object they signify. Any other sequence of sounds could in theory designate the same object. These are just the words French and English happen to have inherited from their history.
    </QUOTE>

    My Comment —

    I prefer to think of the word “arbitrary” as reminding us how every aspect of a sign's functioning is relative to an arbiter, a judge, an interpreter. That brings semiology more into harmony with Peirce's semiotics — if only Saussure had realized how it embeds all dyadic sign relations within the fold of triadic sign relations!

    #Peirce #Semiotics #Saussure #Semiology #Symbols #Symbolism
    #SignRelation #TriadicRelation #RelationTheory #Arbitrarity

  21. Sign Relations, Triadic Relations, Relation Theory • Discussion 11
    inquiryintoinquiry.com/2023/09

    Re: Michael Shapiro • Redefining Arbitrariness in Language
    languagelore.net/
    languagelore.net/2023/04/03/re

    <QUOTE MS:>
    The matter of arbitrariness in language is primarily associated with the work of the Swiss linguist, Ferdinand de Saussure (1857–1913), whose book of lectures, Cours de linguistique Générale, is widely recognized to have laid the foundations of European structural linguistics in the twentieth century. One of Saussure's most quoted positions points out that the meaning of words is arbitrary, in that, for instance, the word “arbre” in French and its equivalent “tree” in English have nothing to do “naturally” with the object they signify. Any other sequence of sounds could in theory designate the same object. These are just the words French and English happen to have inherited from their history.
    </QUOTE>

    My Comment —

    I prefer to think of the word “arbitrary” as reminding us how every aspect of a sign's functioning is relative to an arbiter, a judge, an interpreter. That brings semiology more into harmony with Peirce's semiotics — if only Saussure had realized how it embeds all dyadic sign relations within the fold of triadic sign relations!

    #Peirce #Semiotics #Saussure #Semiology #Symbols #Symbolism
    #SignRelation #TriadicRelation #RelationTheory #Arbitrarity

  22. Sign Relations, Triadic Relations, Relation Theory • Discussion 11
    inquiryintoinquiry.com/2023/09

    Re: Michael Shapiro • Redefining Arbitrariness in Language
    languagelore.net/
    languagelore.net/2023/04/03/re

    <QUOTE MS:>
    The matter of arbitrariness in language is primarily associated with the work of the Swiss linguist, Ferdinand de Saussure (1857–1913), whose book of lectures, Cours de linguistique Générale, is widely recognized to have laid the foundations of European structural linguistics in the twentieth century. One of Saussure's most quoted positions points out that the meaning of words is arbitrary, in that, for instance, the word “arbre” in French and its equivalent “tree” in English have nothing to do “naturally” with the object they signify. Any other sequence of sounds could in theory designate the same object. These are just the words French and English happen to have inherited from their history.
    </QUOTE>

    My Comment —

    I prefer to think of the word “arbitrary” as reminding us how every aspect of a sign's functioning is relative to an arbiter, a judge, an interpreter. That brings semiology more into harmony with Peirce's semiotics — if only Saussure had realized how it embeds all dyadic sign relations within the fold of triadic sign relations!

    #Peirce #Semiotics #Saussure #Semiology #Symbols #Symbolism
    #SignRelation #TriadicRelation #RelationTheory #Arbitrarity

  23. Sign Relations, Triadic Relations, Relation Theory • Discussion 11
    inquiryintoinquiry.com/2023/09

    Re: Michael Shapiro • Redefining Arbitrariness in Language
    languagelore.net/
    languagelore.net/2023/04/03/re

    <QUOTE MS:>
    The matter of arbitrariness in language is primarily associated with the work of the Swiss linguist, Ferdinand de Saussure (1857–1913), whose book of lectures, Cours de linguistique Générale, is widely recognized to have laid the foundations of European structural linguistics in the twentieth century. One of Saussure's most quoted positions points out that the meaning of words is arbitrary, in that, for instance, the word “arbre” in French and its equivalent “tree” in English have nothing to do “naturally” with the object they signify. Any other sequence of sounds could in theory designate the same object. These are just the words French and English happen to have inherited from their history.
    </QUOTE>

    My Comment —

    I prefer to think of the word “arbitrary” as reminding us how every aspect of a sign's functioning is relative to an arbiter, a judge, an interpreter. That brings semiology more into harmony with Peirce's semiotics — if only Saussure had realized how it embeds all dyadic sign relations within the fold of triadic sign relations!

    #Peirce #Semiotics #Saussure #Semiology #Symbols #Symbolism
    #SignRelation #TriadicRelation #RelationTheory #Arbitrarity

  24. Sign Relations, Triadic Relations, Relation Theory • Discussion 11
    inquiryintoinquiry.com/2023/09

    Re: Michael Shapiro • Redefining Arbitrariness in Language
    languagelore.net/
    languagelore.net/2023/04/03/re

    <QUOTE MS:>
    The matter of arbitrariness in language is primarily associated with the work of the Swiss linguist, Ferdinand de Saussure (1857–1913), whose book of lectures, Cours de linguistique Générale, is widely recognized to have laid the foundations of European structural linguistics in the twentieth century. One of Saussure's most quoted positions points out that the meaning of words is arbitrary, in that, for instance, the word “arbre” in French and its equivalent “tree” in English have nothing to do “naturally” with the object they signify. Any other sequence of sounds could in theory designate the same object. These are just the words French and English happen to have inherited from their history.
    </QUOTE>

    My Comment —

    I prefer to think of the word “arbitrary” as reminding us how every aspect of a sign's functioning is relative to an arbiter, a judge, an interpreter. That brings semiology more into harmony with Peirce's semiotics — if only Saussure had realized how it embeds all dyadic sign relations within the fold of triadic sign relations!

    #Peirce #Semiotics #Saussure #Semiology #Symbols #Symbolism
    #SignRelation #TriadicRelation #RelationTheory #Arbitrarity

  25. @ceperez

    I'll always be talking about Peircean semiotics here.

    Up until 15 or 20 years ago folks observed the distinction between #Peirce's #Semiotics or #Semeiotic(s) and #Saussure's #Semiology, but then some European schools decided the latter term was not sexy enough and they switched. More confusion than fusion ensued. Today we have as much pop semiotics as pop psychology, which is a good when it draws people into the fold but less good when it leaves the field spindled and mutilated.

  26. @ceperez

    I'll always be talking about Peircean semiotics here.

    Up until 15 or 20 years ago folks observed the distinction between #Peirce's #Semiotics or #Semeiotics and #Saussure's #Semiology, but then some European schools decided the latter term was not sexy enough and they switched. More confusion than fusion ensued. Today we have as much pop semiotics as pop psychology, which is a good when it draws people into the fold but less good when it leaves the field spindled and mutilated.

  27. @ceperez

    I'll always be talking about Peircean semiotics here.

    Up until 15 or 20 years ago folks observed the distinction between #Peirce's #Semiotics or #Semeiotics and #Saussure's #Semiology, but then some European schools decided the latter term was not sexy enough and they switched. More confusion than fusion ensued. Today we have as much pop semiotics as pop psychology, which is a good when it draws people into the fold but less good when it leaves the field spindled and mutilated.

  28. @ceperez

    I'll always be talking about Peircean semiotics here.

    Up until 15 or 20 years ago folks observed the distinction between #Peirce's #Semiotics or #Semeiotic(s) and #Saussure's #Semiology, but then some European schools decided the latter term was not sexy enough and they switched. More confusion than fusion ensued. Today we have as much pop semiotics as pop psychology, which is a good when it draws people into the fold but less good when it leaves the field spindled and mutilated.

  29. @ceperez

    I'll always be talking about Peircean semiotics here.

    Up until 15 or 20 years ago folks observed the distinction between #Peirce's #Semiotics or #Semeiotics and #Saussure's #Semiology, but then some European schools decided the latter term was not sexy enough and they switched. More confusion than fusion ensued. Today we have as much pop semiotics as pop psychology, which is a good when it draws people into the fold but less good when it leaves the field spindled and mutilated.

  30. Any or friends want to weigh in on this? Why is it tolerated when philosophers approximate Saussure's signifier as "sound", when he specifically warns not to do this. Signifiers are sound PATTERNS (aka sound image). They are psychological not physical. Both and do this. This distinction cuts deep because it helps justify Saussure's whole langue program. Shall no one take Derrida to task over this??