#luddite — Public Fediverse posts
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https://www.europesays.com/ie/416005/ Sarah Michelle Gellar Says Freddie Prinze Jr. ‘Hates When’ She Calls Him ‘a Luddite’: ‘If He Comes Near My Stuff, It Breaks’ #Celebrities #Éire #Entertainment #FreddiePrinzeJr #IE #InterviewMagazine #Ireland #Luddite #SamaraWeaving #SarahMichelleGellar #SarahPrinze
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I saw this on Mastodon and almost had a stroke.
@davidgerard wrote:
“Most of the AI coding claims are conveniently nondisprovable. What studies there are show it not helping coding at all, or making it worse
But SO MANY LOUD ANECDOTES! Trust me my friend, I am the most efficient coder in the land now. No, you can’t see it. No, I didn’t measure. But if you don’t believe me, you are clearly a fool.
These guys had one good experience with the bot, they got one-shotted, and now if you say “perhaps the bot is not all that” they act like you’re trying to take their cocaine away.”
First, the term is falsifiable, and proving propositions about algorithms (i.e., code) is part of what I do for a living. Mathematically human-written code and AI-written code can be tested, which means you can falsify propositions about them. You would test them the same way.
There is no intrinsic mathematical distinction between code written by a person and code produced by an AI system. In both cases, the result is a formal program made of logic and structure. In principle, the same testing techniques can be applied to each. If it were really nondisprovable, you could not test to see what is generated by a human and what is generated by AI. But you can test it. Studies have found that AI-generated code tends to exhibit a higher frequency of certain types of defects. So, reviewers and testers know what logic flaws and security weaknesses to look for. This would not be the case if it were nondisprovable.
You can study this from datasets where the source of the code is known. You can use open-source pull requests identified as AI-assisted versus those written without such tools. You then evaluate both groups using the same industry-standard analysis tools: static analyzers, complexity metrics, security scanners, and defect classification systems. These tools flag bugs, vulnerabilities, performance issues, and maintainability concerns. They do so in a consistent way across samples.
A widely cited analysis of 470 real pull requests reported that AI-generated contributions contained roughly 1.7 times as many issues on average as human-written ones. The difference included a higher number of critical and major defects. It also included more logic and security-related problems. Because these findings rely on standard measurement tools — counting defects, grading severity, and comparing issue rates — the results are grounded in observable data. Again, I am making a point here. It’s testable and therefore disproveable.
This is a good paper that goes into it:
In this paper, we present a large-scale comparison of code authored by human developers and three state-of-the-art LLMs, i.e., ChatGPT, DeepSeek-Coder, and Qwen-Coder, on multiple dimensions of software quality: code defects, security vulnerabilities, and structural complexity. Our evaluation spans over 500k code samples in two widely used languages, Python and Java, classifying defects via Orthogonal Defect Classification and security vulnerabilities using the Common Weakness Enumeration. We find that AI-generated code is generally simpler and more repetitive, yet more prone to unused constructs and hardcoded debugging, while human-written code exhibits greater structural complexity and a higher concentration of maintainability issues. Notably, AI-generated code also contains more high-risk security vulnerabilities. These findings highlight the distinct defect profiles of AI- and human-authored code and underscore the need for specialized quality assurance practices in AI-assisted programming.
https://arxiv.org/abs/2508.21634
Something I’ve started to notice about a lot of the content on social media platforms is that most of the posts people are liking, sharing, and memetically mutating—and then spreading virally—usually don’t include any citations, sources, or receipts. It’s often just some out-of-context screenshot with no reference link or actual sources.
A lot of the anti-AI content is not genuine critique. It’s often misinformation, but people who hate AI don’t question it or ask for sources because it aligns with their biases. The propaganda on social media has gotten so bad that anything other than heavily curated and vetted feeds is pretty much useless, and it’s filled with all sorts of memetic contagions with nasty hooks that are optimized for you algorithmically. I am at the point where I will disregard anything that is not followed up with a source. Period. It is all optimized to persuade, coerce, or piss you off. I am only writing about this because this I’m actually able to contribute genuine information about the topic.
That they said symbolic propositions written by AI agents (i.e., code) are non-disprovable because they were written by AI boggles my mind. It’s like saying that an article written in English by AI is not English because AI generated it. It might be a bad piece of text, but it’s syntactically, semantically, and grammatically English.
Basically, any string of data can be represented in a base-2 system, where it can be interpreted as bits (0s and 1s). Those bits can be used as the basis for symbolic reasoning. In formal propositional logic, a proposition is a sequence of symbols constructed according to strict syntax rules (atomic variables plus logical connectives). Under a given semantics, it is assigned exactly one truth value (true or false) in a two-valued logic system.
They are essentially saying that code written by AI is not binary, isn’t symbolically logical at all, and cannot be evaluated as true or false by implying it is nondisproveable. At the lowest level, compiled code consists of binary machine instructions that a processor executes. At higher levels, source code is written in symbolic syntax that humans and tools use to express logic and structure. You can also translate parts of code into formal logic expressions. For example, conditions and assertions in a program can be modeled as Boolean formulas. Tools like SAT/SMT solvers or symbolic execution engines check those formulas for satisfiability or correctness. It blows my mind how confidently people talk about things they do not understand.
Furthermore that they don’t realize the projection is wild to me.
@davidgerard wrote:
“But SO MANY LOUD ANECDOTES! Trust me my friend, I am the most efficient coder in the land now. No, you can’t see it. No, I didn’t measure. But if you don’t believe me, you are clearly a fool.”
They are presenting a story—i.e., saying that the studies are not disprovable—and accusing computer scientists of using anecdotal evidence without actually providing evidence to support this, while expecting people to take it prima facie. You’re doing what you are accusing others of doing.
It comes down to this: they feel that people ought not to use AI, so they are tacitly committed to a future in which people do not use AI. For example, a major argument against AI is the damage it is doing to resources, which is driving up the prices of computer components, as well as the ecological harm it causes. They feel justified in lying and misinforming others if it achieves the outcome they want—people not using AI because it is bad for the environment. That is a very strong point, but most people don’t care about that, which is why they lie about things people would care about.It’s corrupt. And what’s really scary is that people don’t recognize when they are part of corruption or a corrupt conspiracy to misinform. Well, they recognize it when they see the other side doing it, that is. No one is more dangerous than people who feel righteous in what they are doing.
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Ocassionally some silly silly folk will call me a #broligarch fanboi (or the newly coined #Aibooster) "thinking" I'm 100% in support of #AI and block me merely for debating, rather than echoing the #Luddite chorus.
... I drew this cartoon 35 years ago (1991 - Hal '91)
Long before all the wannabe kool kids were #antiai
Point is, I did not arrive at my AI position overnight (#regulateAI), as most folk had. I had a few dacades to mull things over.Can you spot the #Dilbert influence?
I was always in the bleeding edge of #zeitgeist , Dilbert was only 3 years old.
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D'où vient la classe ouvrière ?
par Oui d'accordÇa parle de l'#Histoire de l'#Économie et du #Travail du #Féodalisme jusqu'au #Capitalisme actuel :
* #Communs #Enclosure #Privatisation #Artisan #Artisanat
* #Usine #Ouvrier #Libéralisme #Prolétariat #Socialisme
* #Résistance #Luddite #Luddisme #IA #FascismeC'est long, mais chapitré, ça se regarde très bien en plusieurs fois
J'ai appris plein de choses
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D'où vient la classe ouvrière ?
par Oui d'accordÇa parle de l'#Histoire de l'#Économie et du #Travail du #Féodalisme jusqu'au #Capitalisme actuel :
* #Communs #Enclosure #Privatisation #Artisan #Artisanat
* #Usine #Ouvrier #Libéralisme #Prolétariat #Socialisme
* #Résistance #Luddite #Luddisme #IA #FascismeC'est long, mais chapitré, ça se regarde très bien en plusieurs fois
J'ai appris plein de choses
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D'où vient la classe ouvrière ?
par Oui d'accordÇa parle de l'#Histoire de l'#Économie et du #Travail du #Féodalisme jusqu'au #Capitalisme actuel :
* #Communs #Enclosure #Privatisation #Artisan #Artisanat
* #Usine #Ouvrier #Libéralisme #Prolétariat #Socialisme
* #Résistance #Luddite #Luddisme #IA #FascismeC'est long, mais chapitré, ça se regarde très bien en plusieurs fois
J'ai appris plein de choses
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D'où vient la classe ouvrière ?
par Oui d'accordÇa parle de l'#Histoire de l'#Économie et du #Travail du #Féodalisme jusqu'au #Capitalisme actuel :
* #Communs #Enclosure #Privatisation #Artisan #Artisanat
* #Usine #Ouvrier #Libéralisme #Prolétariat #Socialisme
* #Résistance #Luddite #Luddisme #IA #FascismeC'est long, mais chapitré, ça se regarde très bien en plusieurs fois
J'ai appris plein de choses
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D'où vient la classe ouvrière ?
par Oui d'accordÇa parle de l'#Histoire de l'#Économie et du #Travail du #Féodalisme jusqu'au #Capitalisme actuel :
* #Communs #Enclosure #Privatisation #Artisan #Artisanat
* #Usine #Ouvrier #Libéralisme #Prolétariat #Socialisme
* #Résistance #Luddite #Luddisme #IA #FascismeC'est long, mais chapitré, ça se regarde très bien en plusieurs fois
J'ai appris plein de choses
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The irony of posting this on the Fediverse is not lost on me. 😉
I usually like to take a few weeks off a each year at least. But, a less distracting internet (and cell phone) would be a good thing.
It's a shame our monkey brains won't buy it, and make it a viable option, when we have all that temptation.
Guest Essay
"What Happened When My Yale Students Gave Up Their Phones for Four Weeks"#NYTimes #GiftedArticle #Gift #Luddite #Addiction #InternetAddiction #SocialMediaAddiction #Sabbatical #TechSabbatical
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The irony of posting this on the Fediverse is not lost on me. 😉
I usually like to take a few weeks off a each year at least. But, a less distracting internet (and cell phone) would be a good thing.
It's a shame our monkey brains won't buy it, and make it a viable option, when we have all that temptation.
Guest Essay
"What Happened When My Yale Students Gave Up Their Phones for Four Weeks"#NYTimes #GiftedArticle #Gift #Luddite #Addiction #InternetAddiction #SocialMediaAddiction #Sabbatical #TechSabbatical
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This week in #FDroid (TWIF) is live:
- if you do read this you're a #luddite
- #RISCV builds our catalogue
- change your #Mastodon client
- #freeminer takes on #Luanti
- fresh #OpenConnect
- update #QUIK SMS
- #shatteredpixeldungeon 3.0 introduces The Cleric
- #warsmash brings Warcraft III into your handsUp to 209 apps touched upon in https://f-droid.org/2025/03/06/twif.html
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This week in #FDroid (TWIF) is live:
- if you do read this you're a #luddite
- #RISCV builds our catalogue
- change your #Mastodon client
- #freeminer takes on #Luanti
- fresh #OpenConnect
- update #QUIK SMS
- #shatteredpixeldungeon 3.0 introduces The Cleric
- #warsmash brings Warcraft III into your handsUp to 209 apps touched upon in https://f-droid.org/2025/03/06/twif.html
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This week in #FDroid (TWIF) is live:
- if you do read this you're a #luddite
- #RISCV builds our catalogue
- change your #Mastodon client
- #freeminer takes on #Luanti
- fresh #OpenConnect
- update #QUIK SMS
- #shatteredpixeldungeon 3.0 introduces The Cleric
- #warsmash brings Warcraft III into your handsUp to 209 apps touched upon in https://f-droid.org/2025/03/06/twif.html
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This week in #FDroid (TWIF) is live:
- if you do read this you're a #luddite
- #RISCV builds our catalogue
- change your #Mastodon client
- #freeminer takes on #Luanti
- fresh #OpenConnect
- update #QUIK SMS
- #shatteredpixeldungeon 3.0 introduces The Cleric
- #warsmash brings Warcraft III into your handsUp to 209 apps touched upon in https://f-droid.org/2025/03/06/twif.html
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This week in #FDroid (TWIF) is live:
- if you do read this you're a #luddite
- #RISCV builds our catalogue
- change your #Mastodon client
- #freeminer takes on #Luanti
- fresh #OpenConnect
- update #QUIK SMS
- #shatteredpixeldungeon 3.0 introduces The Cleric
- #warsmash brings Warcraft III into your handsUp to 209 apps touched upon in https://f-droid.org/2025/03/06/twif.html
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Technoptimists, what is to prevent realized productivity gains from AI benefiting only the wealthiest and further exacerbating inequality?
#AI #technology #wealthinequality #labor #productivity #technocriticism #luddite #degrowth
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«Most of us think of a #Luddite as someone who is anti-technology or fearful of it, but as LA Times tech columnist Brian Merchant points out in his new book Blood in the Machine: The Origins of the #Rebellion Against #BigTech, they were #technologists themselves who simply questioned the ways it was being used against them.»
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«Most of us think of a #Luddite as someone who is anti-technology or fearful of it, but as LA Times tech columnist Brian Merchant points out in his new book Blood in the Machine: The Origins of the #Rebellion Against #BigTech, they were #technologists themselves who simply questioned the ways it was being used against them.»
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«Most of us think of a #Luddite as someone who is anti-technology or fearful of it, but as LA Times tech columnist Brian Merchant points out in his new book Blood in the Machine: The Origins of the #Rebellion Against #BigTech, they were #technologists themselves who simply questioned the ways it was being used against them.»
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«Most of us think of a #Luddite as someone who is anti-technology or fearful of it, but as LA Times tech columnist Brian Merchant points out in his new book Blood in the Machine: The Origins of the #Rebellion Against #BigTech, they were #technologists themselves who simply questioned the ways it was being used against them.»
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«Most of us think of a #Luddite as someone who is anti-technology or fearful of it, but as LA Times tech columnist Brian Merchant points out in his new book Blood in the Machine: The Origins of the #Rebellion Against #BigTech, they were #technologists themselves who simply questioned the ways it was being used against them.»