#socialcg — Public Fediverse posts
Live and recent posts from across the Fediverse tagged #socialcg, aggregated by home.social.
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There are certainly issues. I wrote a long thought piece on social experience and travels in #ActivityPub space and with a call-for-reflection to anyone to ponder #fediverse's Future of #SocialNetworking..
The blog post (which is an hour-long read) also stipulates re-centralization risks, and how a #fedi-native protocol implementation of #GrassrootsStandards and #GrassrootsStandardization processes like the #FEP and #SocialCG can help mitigate the #centralization risks.
https://social.coop/@smallcircles/116379158584600016
PS. See also my call-to-participate as #CommonsCustodian in the #standardization of our networking protocols..
https://social.coop/@smallcircles/116402592862958767
Together we can :boosts_appreciated: #BoostFediForwards and #cocreate a better #future.
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#BoostFediForwards :boosts_appreciated:
In this rushed world of ours, do you still have #time on your hands here and there? And love spending it on building and nurturing our sustainable and safe #fedi gardens?
Do you want be more deeply involved in weaving delightful #SocialFabric? Play a part in #SocialWeb future?
Then #SocialHub, the discussion forum for #ActivityPub developers, has #vacancies for you!
The #FEP Process as well as the #W3C #SocialCG, the two major standardization bodies that drive #fediverse future, are inclusive and open to anyone to contribute their 2 cents.
Become a #CommonsCustodian now..
Help cocreate a 💃🕺 #peopleverse.https://delightful.coding.social/delightful-fediverse-experience/
#UrgentPlatitude: Our #future is created today, not #tomorrow.
See also the broader discussion on ecosystem #sustainability and my personal story and #brainstorm invitation about fedi's #evolution.
https://discuss.coding.social/t/sx-sustainable-ecosystem-evolution-see/836
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#BoostFediForwards :boosts_appreciated:
In this rushed world of ours, do you still have #time on your hands here and there? And love spending it on building and nurturing our sustainable and safe #fedi gardens?
Do you want be more deeply involved in weaving delightful #SocialFabric? Play a part in #SocialWeb future?
Then #SocialHub, the discussion forum for #ActivityPub developers, has #vacancies for you!
The #FEP Process as well as the #W3C #SocialCG, the two major standardization bodies that drive #fediverse future, are inclusive and open to anyone to contribute their 2 cents.
Become a #CommonsCustodian now..
Help cocreate a 💃🕺 #peopleverse.https://delightful.coding.social/delightful-fediverse-experience/
#UrgentPlatitude: Our #future is created today, not #tomorrow.
See also the broader discussion on ecosystem #sustainability and my personal story and #brainstorm invitation about fedi's #evolution.
https://discuss.coding.social/t/sx-sustainable-ecosystem-evolution-see/836
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#BoostFediForwards :boosts_appreciated:
In this rushed world of ours, do you still have #time on your hands here and there? And love spending it on building and nurturing our sustainable and safe #fedi gardens?
Do you want be more deeply involved in weaving delightful #SocialFabric? Play a part in #SocialWeb future?
Then #SocialHub, the discussion forum for #ActivityPub developers, has #vacancies for you!
The #FEP Process as well as the #W3C #SocialCG, the two major standardization bodies that drive #fediverse future, are inclusive and open to anyone to contribute their 2 cents.
Become a #CommonsCustodian now..
Help cocreate a 💃🕺 #peopleverse.https://delightful.coding.social/delightful-fediverse-experience/
#UrgentPlatitude: Our #future is created today, not #tomorrow.
See also the broader discussion on ecosystem #sustainability and my personal story and #brainstorm invitation about fedi's #evolution.
https://discuss.coding.social/t/sx-sustainable-ecosystem-evolution-see/836
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#BoostFediForwards :boosts_appreciated:
In this rushed world of ours, do you still have #time on your hands here and there? And love spending it on building and nurturing our sustainable and safe #fedi gardens?
Do you want be more deeply involved in weaving delightful #SocialFabric? Play a part in #SocialWeb future?
Then #SocialHub, the discussion forum for #ActivityPub developers, has #vacancies for you!
The #FEP Process as well as the #W3C #SocialCG, the two major standardization bodies that drive #fediverse future, are inclusive and open to anyone to contribute their 2 cents.
Become a #CommonsCustodian now..
Help cocreate a 💃🕺 #peopleverse.https://delightful.coding.social/delightful-fediverse-experience/
#UrgentPlatitude: Our #future is created today, not #tomorrow.
See also the broader discussion on ecosystem #sustainability and my personal story and #brainstorm invitation about fedi's #evolution.
https://discuss.coding.social/t/sx-sustainable-ecosystem-evolution-see/836
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#BoostFediForwards :boosts_appreciated:
In this rushed world of ours, do you still have #time on your hands here and there? And love spending it on building and nurturing our sustainable and safe #fedi gardens?
Do you want be more deeply involved in weaving delightful #SocialFabric? Play a part in #SocialWeb future?
Then #SocialHub, the discussion forum for #ActivityPub developers, has #vacancies for you!
The #FEP Process as well as the #W3C #SocialCG, the two major standardization bodies that drive #fediverse future, are inclusive and open to anyone to contribute their 2 cents.
Become a #CommonsCustodian now..
Help cocreate a 💃🕺 #peopleverse.https://delightful.coding.social/delightful-fediverse-experience/
#UrgentPlatitude: Our #future is created today, not #tomorrow.
See also the broader discussion on ecosystem #sustainability and my personal story and #brainstorm invitation about fedi's #evolution.
https://discuss.coding.social/t/sx-sustainable-ecosystem-evolution-see/836
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#ThoughtProvoker :blobhyperthink:
App-centrism is a re-centralization force in the #ActivityPub fediverse.
For the #fediverse the accepted app-centric #SocialNetwork work method is a decentralized NPM-like dependency hell waiting to happen.
Apps that introduce extensions become owners of parts of the specs when they become de-facto standards. We can only hope for responsible #ownership, and that the project stays around to keep their #design docs and code in the air.
The #FEP and the #SocialCG are two points of #centralization we find acceptable to help mitigate protocol decay and tech debt. It is not ideal, but a bandaid to keep an utterly fragmented developer ecosystem together.
The people who do most of this holding together are volunteers that can be counted on one hand. They may burnout and leave any day, in typical #FOSS fashion.
#SX investigates the concept of #GrassrootsOpenStandards, where the standardization process matches social dynamics that exist in our #commons.
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@evan some time ago you queried about what would be a good comms channel for #ActivityPub API.
I have some ideas / recommendations on the #Github repo that the #W3C TF uses.
- Structure the repo to hold the work of the full task force, not just for the creation of a single specification document.
- Use GH Discussions for all the general elaboration, feedback collection, etc. The repo forms a self-contained body of work. Move most current Issues in the tracker to become Discussions.
- Issues are created by task force members, and always represent actionable items. They are tracked on a Project kanban board where the swimlanes represent a simple protocol development #Process with a number of stages.
Then:
- Primary comms channel is Discussions.
- Issues + kanban represent work tracks.
- Secondary comms channel can be #fedi.I'd reserve #SocialCG mailing list to #governance and organizational matters concerning the CG itself, and point mails on other subject to appropriate channel.
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To chain things together a bit on this fleety medium of ours, create a hyperweb 😜 I'll quote this toot to follow-up to
https://social.coop/@smallcircles/116110545919004233
I remember about 2018 or so, when I joined my first #SocialCG meetup. It was when the CG was still strongly tied to #SocialHub community.
There were mundane items on the agenda, interesting to any #ActivityPub dev, and also the call to action was "whether you are technical or not at all, join the meetup, we are open and inclusive to all fedizens". Very friendly, good vibes.
However during the session the talk was not only CS expert level, but dealing with subject matter nowhere near the spec. It was 'wire reality' slang, and to learn it the guidance was either nowhere, or everywhere, dispersed. And this is still as it is today. To expertised AP developers their domain language sounds all natural, but it likely seems Martian to a dev newcomer.
Stark contrast to the W3C specs that leave folks with refreshing "Let's implement this" vibe.
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> it's ok if you haven't heard of a REST API.
Well, you be you. I consider this a 'typical Evan remark' by now, dripping with sarcasm. It is a weird fit for someone who want to lead the #SocialCG efforts, I'd say.
Ah well. What I am talking about is architecture and design, and all the things that allow people to easily form a clear mental picture on how things fit together, wrap their head around the fediverse.
A HTTP interface is a very low-level thing, and clearly but one of the many moving parts that play a role in #ActivityPub based solution development.
Never defining this well, and having the documentation be scattered all across the fediverse in 1,001 random locations doesn't help. Meanwhile the dev talk that is going on for years remains very inefficient due to endless Babylonian speech confusion.
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#ActivityPub, a *great start* providing the key ingredients.
#Fediverse, where things are cooked into a mush, by pragmatic though unsustainable fast-food preparation.
Recipe:
- Mash everything into #ActivityStreams
- Overload the semantic frying pan
- Sprinkle in combinatorial complexities
- Cook until too hotThen simply keep stirring with increasing whack-a-mole maintenance burdens until project phased out.
Or become the post-facto #interoperability leader and dominate the restaurant chain.
Recipe improvement tips:
- Add #FEP spice to the mix where you can!
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Hello @evan and @bifurcation .. a question.
For inclusion of #ActivityPub information resources on the delightful-fediverse-development curated list there is this (now expired) #IETF draft exploring #MIMI / #MLS versus AP. I find this draft to be well-written and informative, and thus the draft possibly a candidate for inclusion for people as additional background reading to the #SocialCG work on MLS. Unless there are so many changes since the creation of the draft that it may raise confusion, and should not be included. What is your opinion here?
https://ietf-wg-mimi.github.io/mimi-arch/draft-ietf-mimi-arch.html
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Yes, I would highly discourage the use of "app". It is why I scare quoted it, but "app" is common language when people talk about the fediverse. "App" is a neat container concept that fits the full scope of ones own FOSS project, but on the fediverse - a growing heterogeneous and interoperable social network - one becomes highly dependent on the foundational network communication layer based on #ActivityPub, and any fedi FOSS developer should be concerned beyond direct project scope, and pay attention that this foundation evolves healthily. This unfortunately happens unsufficiently, and only a very small number of people try to get the ecosystem as a whole to higher levels, volunteering time where it does not directly benefit their own projects. Think @silverpill for the #FEP and @evan for #SocialCG.
Cool find yesterday was that @HolosSocial rather than C2S has a "full AP server" client-side, that communicates with a Websockets tunnel to a dedicated relay server.
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New Social Web Working Group at W3C https://socialwebfoundation.org/2026/01/15/new-social-web-working-group-at-w3c/ #ActivityPub, #Socialcg, #Socialweb, #Socialwg, #W3c, #Workinggroup
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Cool and interesting on LOLA standard: "New Social Web Working Group at W3C" - https://socialwebfoundation.org/2026/01/15/new-social-web-working-group-at-w3c/ #ActivityPub, #Socialcg, #Socialweb, #Socialwg, #W3c, #Workinggroup
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New Social Web Working Group at W3C
Today the W3C standards organization announced a new working group to advance the ActivityPub and Activity Streams standards. The Social Web Foundation, as a W3C member organization, will be participating in the group. The working group's goal is to release a backwards-compatible iteration of each specification in Q3 of 2026. Activity Streams was released in 2017, and ActivityPub was released in early 2018. Since that time, the experience of hundreds of implementers and millions of users has […]https://socialwebfoundation.org/2026/01/15/new-social-web-working-group-at-w3c/
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@hrast I've seen this passing by in #fediverse discussions many times, but always in fleety timelines.. aka lost-in-time no further #ideation lines :)
This is a good #idea to describe in more detail in the ideas inbox. Staging ground for the #FEP process and #SocialHub #ActivityPub developer community, if there are people willing to pick them up. And then in turn perhaps staging ground for further standardization by #W3C #SocialCG.
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@hrast I've seen this passing by in #fediverse discussions many times, but always in fleety timelines.. aka lost-in-time no further #ideation lines :)
This is a good #idea to describe in more detail in the ideas inbox. Staging ground for the #FEP process and #SocialHub #ActivityPub developer community, if there are people willing to pick them up. And then in turn perhaps staging ground for further standardization by #W3C #SocialCG.
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@hrast I've seen this passing by in #fediverse discussions many times, but always in fleety timelines.. aka lost-in-time no further #ideation lines :)
This is a good #idea to describe in more detail in the ideas inbox. Staging ground for the #FEP process and #SocialHub #ActivityPub developer community, if there are people willing to pick them up. And then in turn perhaps staging ground for further standardization by #W3C #SocialCG.
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@hrast I've seen this passing by in #fediverse discussions many times, but always in fleety timelines.. aka lost-in-time no further #ideation lines :)
This is a good #idea to describe in more detail in the ideas inbox. Staging ground for the #FEP process and #SocialHub #ActivityPub developer community, if there are people willing to pick them up. And then in turn perhaps staging ground for further standardization by #W3C #SocialCG.
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@hrast I've seen this passing by in #fediverse discussions many times, but always in fleety timelines.. aka lost-in-time no further #ideation lines :)
This is a good #idea to describe in more detail in the ideas inbox. Staging ground for the #FEP process and #SocialHub #ActivityPub developer community, if there are people willing to pick them up. And then in turn perhaps staging ground for further standardization by #W3C #SocialCG.
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I've got a conflict for 12 ET, so I am going to do ActivityPub issue triage from 12:30ET to 1:30ET. Sorry for the late notice; looking forward to seeing everyone there. #SocialCG
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Seeking interop testing for geosocial ActivityPub client
Hey, all! I’m seeking some help testing an application I whipped up for the Geosocial task force of the W3C Social Web Community Group. It’s called https://checkin.swf.pub/ , and it’s a barebones checkin service, similar to Swarm, but implemented as a pure Web client. You can watch the application in action.
It logs into your account on an ActivityPub server using OAuth 2.0. It […]
https://socialwebfoundation.org/2025/07/14/seeking-interop-testing-for-geosocial-activitypub-client/
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Unfortunately I need to cancel the #SocialCG #ActivityPub issue triage today. I had a travel mixup and won't have a quiet, private place to hold the meeting. Sorry for the late notice, and please plan on attending next week.
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@smallcircles @frankstrater @dansup @peertube great idea! I'll see about getting a task force started for it in the #SocialCG.
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The #SocialCG issue triage is going to start about 15 minutes late; my previous meeting is running overtime. #ActivityPub
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⬡ The ActivityPub Conf 2020 Lightning Talks
#activitypub #fediverse #foss #web #social #webstandard #federation #socialcg #lightningTalks #apconf2020https://conf.tube/videos/watch/4a431c74-b594-4d0f-bef6-f0ee4455bee2
Debate in the Forum https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/lightning-round-talks/955Hackathon Demos follow …
WATCH IT ALL HERE
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⬡ Opening Keynote – The ActivityPub Panel
Jessica Tallon, Amy Guy, Evan Prodromou, and Erin Shepherd;
moderated by Christopher Lemmer-WebberLive Q&A Recording https://conf.tube/videos/watch/2cabb25c-0979-4ef6-beaf-f3d001ecbc4c
Debate in the Forum https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/the-activitypub-panel/929
Watch the Talk https://conf.tube/videos/watch/6289920f-4e35-4141-ab6f-379b357849ec#ActivityPub is now a widely adopted #standard
... but how did it become a standard in the first place?#protocol
#activitypub #fediverse #foss #web #social #webstandard #federation #socialcg #panel #keynote #apconf2020