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I have made an atproto powered journal editor on my website. I can login with my @bmann.ca or @bmannconsulting.com accounts, and then have a very simple editor for making Bluesky-length microblog posts, with an optional link field.
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Last week at Local First Conf, it seems like everyone was talking about ATProto. I really want to build on it, but I'm not sure I'll be able to. I wrote up what and how and why not:
https://lukekanies.com/writing/building-on-atproto/
(ActivityPub was never an option, because it's even less local-first, and the HOA mentality makes it impossible to build applications on.)
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Last week at Local First Conf, it seems like everyone was talking about ATProto. I really want to build on it, but I'm not sure I'll be able to. I wrote up what and how and why not:
https://lukekanies.com/writing/building-on-atproto/
(ActivityPub was never an option, because it's even less local-first, and the HOA mentality makes it impossible to build applications on.)
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Last week at Local First Conf, it seems like everyone was talking about ATProto. I really want to build on it, but I'm not sure I'll be able to. I wrote up what and how and why not:
https://lukekanies.com/writing/building-on-atproto/
(ActivityPub was never an option, because it's even less local-first, and the HOA mentality makes it impossible to build applications on.)
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Last week at Local First Conf, it seems like everyone was talking about ATProto. I really want to build on it, but I'm not sure I'll be able to. I wrote up what and how and why not:
https://lukekanies.com/writing/building-on-atproto/
(ActivityPub was never an option, because it's even less local-first, and the HOA mentality makes it impossible to build applications on.)
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Last week at Local First Conf, it seems like everyone was talking about ATProto. I really want to build on it, but I'm not sure I'll be able to. I wrote up what and how and why not:
https://lukekanies.com/writing/building-on-atproto/
(ActivityPub was never an option, because it's even less local-first, and the HOA mentality makes it impossible to build applications on.)
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RE: https://hachyderm.io/@baileytownsend/116952597706316959
I want to follow this up with an AMAA (ask me anything #atproto!)
I've done a few of these on #bluesky and thought it might be fun to do one here! I don't believe in dumb questions, so please ask me any you may have! Happy to answer anything, or at least hopefully point you in the right direction! Feel free to reply your questions to this post.Also feel free to even ask me stuff like "Is atproto really #decentralized", "Aren't relays/PDS expensive?", "What do migrations look like there?", etc. Nothing is off the table, and I'd be glad to answer anything! Good chance I will have questions in the future about #activitypub and #mastodon that I will be asking!
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RE: https://hachyderm.io/@baileytownsend/116952597706316959
I want to follow this up with an AMAA (ask me anything #atproto!)
I've done a few of these on #bluesky and thought it might be fun to do one here! I don't believe in dumb questions, so please ask me any you may have! Happy to answer anything, or at least hopefully point you in the right direction! Feel free to reply your questions to this post.Also feel free to even ask me stuff like "Is atproto really #decentralized", "Aren't relays/PDS expensive?", "What do migrations look like there?", etc. Nothing is off the table, and I'd be glad to answer anything! Good chance I will have questions in the future about #activitypub and #mastodon that I will be asking!
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RE: https://hachyderm.io/@baileytownsend/116952597706316959
I want to follow this up with an AMAA (ask me anything #atproto!)
I've done a few of these on #bluesky and thought it might be fun to do one here! I don't believe in dumb questions, so please ask me any you may have! Happy to answer anything, or at least hopefully point you in the right direction! Feel free to reply your questions to this post.Also feel free to even ask me stuff like "Is atproto really #decentralized", "Aren't relays/PDS expensive?", "What do migrations look like there?", etc. Nothing is off the table, and I'd be glad to answer anything! Good chance I will have questions in the future about #activitypub and #mastodon that I will be asking!
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RE: https://hachyderm.io/@baileytownsend/116952597706316959
I want to follow this up with an AMAA (ask me anything #atproto!)
I've done a few of these on #bluesky and thought it might be fun to do one here! I don't believe in dumb questions, so please ask me any you may have! Happy to answer anything, or at least hopefully point you in the right direction! Feel free to reply your questions to this post.Also feel free to even ask me stuff like "Is atproto really #decentralized", "Aren't relays/PDS expensive?", "What do migrations look like there?", etc. Nothing is off the table, and I'd be glad to answer anything! Good chance I will have questions in the future about #activitypub and #mastodon that I will be asking!
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@katzenmann Hey! Been checking out #activitypub today, but I come from #atproto land. Relays have gotten pretty cheap to run now, thankfully. They used to keep a mirror of the whole network, but now only keep a couple of days. Can squeeze by with less than $40 on them nowadays, or even cheaper.
https://whtwnd.com/bnewbold.net/3lo7a2a4qxg2l.We also have a bunch of community ran ones, a few listed at this beautiful URL lol https://compare.hose.cam.
Relay's also don't directly do feed aggregation, but they do feed the feed with the posts. But that can also be swapped out between relay's or even something called JetStream, which is a diet relay. Feeds listen to this firehose and filter out posts on how it wants, like which content it wants to show. For instance, here's a feed URL for posts about cornbread lol
https://api.graze.social/xrpc/app.bsky.feed.getFeedSkeleton?feed=at://did:plc:rnpkyqnmsw4ipey6eotbdnnf/app.bsky.feed.generator/CornbreadThe feed just returns the at-uri's which can be used to hydrate the feed from getting posts from an AppView or connecting directly to the user's PDSs
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@katzenmann Hey! Been checking out #activitypub today, but I come from #atproto land. Relays have gotten pretty cheap to run now, thankfully. They used to keep a mirror of the whole network, but now only keep a couple of days. Can squeeze by with less than $40 on them nowadays, or even cheaper.
https://whtwnd.com/bnewbold.net/3lo7a2a4qxg2l.We also have a bunch of community ran ones, a few listed at this beautiful URL lol https://compare.hose.cam.
Relay's also don't directly do feed aggregation, but they do feed the feed with the posts. But that can also be swapped out between relay's or even something called JetStream, which is a diet relay. Feeds listen to this firehose and filter out posts on how it wants, like which content it wants to show. For instance, here's a feed URL for posts about cornbread lol
https://api.graze.social/xrpc/app.bsky.feed.getFeedSkeleton?feed=at://did:plc:rnpkyqnmsw4ipey6eotbdnnf/app.bsky.feed.generator/CornbreadThe feed just returns the at-uri's which can be used to hydrate the feed from getting posts from an AppView or connecting directly to the user's PDSs
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@katzenmann Hey! Been checking out #activitypub today, but I come from #atproto land. Relays have gotten pretty cheap to run now, thankfully. They used to keep a mirror of the whole network, but now only keep a couple of days. Can squeeze by with less than $40 on them nowadays, or even cheaper.
https://whtwnd.com/bnewbold.net/3lo7a2a4qxg2l.We also have a bunch of community ran ones, a few listed at this beautiful URL lol https://compare.hose.cam.
Relay's also don't directly do feed aggregation, but they do feed the feed with the posts. But that can also be swapped out between relay's or even something called JetStream, which is a diet relay. Feeds listen to this firehose and filter out posts on how it wants, like which content it wants to show. For instance, here's a feed URL for posts about cornbread lol
https://api.graze.social/xrpc/app.bsky.feed.getFeedSkeleton?feed=at://did:plc:rnpkyqnmsw4ipey6eotbdnnf/app.bsky.feed.generator/CornbreadThe feed just returns the at-uri's which can be used to hydrate the feed from getting posts from an AppView or connecting directly to the user's PDSs
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@katzenmann Hey! Been checking out #activitypub today, but I come from #atproto land. Relays have gotten pretty cheap to run now, thankfully. They used to keep a mirror of the whole network, but now only keep a couple of days. Can squeeze by with less than $40 on them nowadays, or even cheaper.
https://whtwnd.com/bnewbold.net/3lo7a2a4qxg2l.We also have a bunch of community ran ones, a few listed at this beautiful URL lol https://compare.hose.cam.
Relay's also don't directly do feed aggregation, but they do feed the feed with the posts. But that can also be swapped out between relay's or even something called JetStream, which is a diet relay. Feeds listen to this firehose and filter out posts on how it wants, like which content it wants to show. For instance, here's a feed URL for posts about cornbread lol
https://api.graze.social/xrpc/app.bsky.feed.getFeedSkeleton?feed=at://did:plc:rnpkyqnmsw4ipey6eotbdnnf/app.bsky.feed.generator/CornbreadThe feed just returns the at-uri's which can be used to hydrate the feed from getting posts from an AppView or connecting directly to the user's PDSs
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I'm starting a new blog post series, with some more practical tutorials about #ATProto things, using #Ruby and my Ruby gems :]
Episode 1 - resolving handles & DIDs and plc.directory:
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I'm starting a new blog post series, with some more practical tutorials about #ATProto things, using #Ruby and my Ruby gems :]
Episode 1 - resolving handles & DIDs and plc.directory:
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I'm starting a new blog post series, with some more practical tutorials about #ATProto things, using #Ruby and my Ruby gems :]
Episode 1 - resolving handles & DIDs and plc.directory:
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I'm starting a new blog post series, with some more practical tutorials about #ATProto things, using #Ruby and my Ruby gems :]
Episode 1 - resolving handles & DIDs and plc.directory:
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I'm starting a new blog post series, with some more practical tutorials about #ATProto things, using #Ruby and my Ruby gems :]
Episode 1 - resolving handles & DIDs and plc.directory:
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I have acquired opinions on #ActivityPub vs #ATProto in strong favor of ActivityPub.
Basically for ATProto to work you need one big entity (called the relay) to sift through all updates published on all servers and provide that to users as their feed. It also provides search and so on.
Nobody wants to run these relays since they're really resource-heavy and you don't get any money for running them so if you are a relay operator you can censor all you like because it's not like your users can leave.
ActivityPub doesn't have this problem because it has instances which do the feed aggregation. Relays are just one big point of failure for ATProto and thus ATmosphere is not really decentralized.
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I have acquired opinions on #ActivityPub vs #ATProto in strong favor of ActivityPub.
Basically for ATProto to work you need one big entity (called the relay) to sift through all updates published on all servers and provide that to users as their feed. It also provides search and so on.
Nobody wants to run these relays since they're really resource-heavy and you don't get any money for running them so if you are a relay operator you can censor all you like because it's not like your users can leave.
ActivityPub doesn't have this problem because it has instances which do the feed aggregation. Relays are just one big point of failure for ATProto and thus ATmosphere is not really decentralized.
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I have acquired opinions on #ActivityPub vs #ATProto in strong favor of ActivityPub.
Basically for ATProto to work you need one big entity (called the relay) to sift through all updates published on all servers and provide that to users as their feed. It also provides search and so on.
Nobody wants to run these relays since they're really resource-heavy and you don't get any money for running them so if you are a relay operator you can censor all you like because it's not like your users can leave.
ActivityPub doesn't have this problem because it has instances which do the feed aggregation. Relays are just one big point of failure for ATProto and thus ATmosphere is not really decentralized.
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I have acquired opinions on #ActivityPub vs #ATProto in strong favor of ActivityPub.
Basically for ATProto to work you need one big entity (called the relay) to sift through all updates published on all servers and provide that to users as their feed. It also provides search and so on.
Nobody wants to run these relays since they're really resource-heavy and you don't get any money for running them so if you are a relay operator you can censor all you like because it's not like your users can leave.
ActivityPub doesn't have this problem because it has instances which do the feed aggregation. Relays are just one big point of failure for ATProto and thus ATmosphere is not really decentralized.
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I have acquired opinions on #ActivityPub vs #ATProto in strong favor of ActivityPub.
Basically for ATProto to work you need one big entity (called the relay) to sift through all updates published on all servers and provide that to users as their feed. It also provides search and so on.
Nobody wants to run these relays since they're really resource-heavy and you don't get any money for running them so if you are a relay operator you can censor all you like because it's not like your users can leave.
ActivityPub doesn't have this problem because it has instances which do the feed aggregation. Relays are just one big point of failure for ATProto and thus ATmosphere is not really decentralized.
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In atproto land, the PDS (my handle is https://pds.dad) is a bit of my specialty. Thought I'd talk about some stuff I really like over here that I think the Mastodon instance did better.
- Having a nice rendered about page is super nice. Shows some quick stats as well. For a PDS you have to code your own if you want that and that's what I did with https://selfhosted.social. But it's very nice to have a place to create an account on the server, show rules, and just kind of make it welcoming.
- Pending acceptance to the server. Was very cool that when I created an account on https://hachyderm.io that it put me in a bit of a pending area till moderators accepted me. The PDS has 2 ways to gatekeep creating an account. 1 you can only create an account if you have an invite code, 2 it's open but is protected from a captcha to stop bots. This was a custom thing I added with my PDS Gatekeeper project (https://tangled.org/pds.dad/pds-gatekeeper). I kind of want to add pending invites to PDS Gatekeeper now after seeing how y'all do that here!
- Multi factor and 2 factor authentication. Bluesky's PDSs have email 2FA because they have something similar to my PDS Gatekeeper called the entryway that sits in front of their PDSs. It handles that. But since that's not part of the PDS, they do not have 2FA built it. That is changing very soon with a PR to the repo. But it will be email 2FA. Was really nice to do the 2FA app or a security key, in addition, it looks like everything is default OAuth here. OAuth on atproto is still pretty new, but it's quickly becoming the standard.
I think the PDS will catch up in a few of these areas, and they are pain points PDS admins have run into in the past. So it has been nice to see how something similar is also tackling them. I'm seeing some other pro/cons between each, but I mostly like to focus on the positive that I think each brings to the table. Teamwork makes the dream work.
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In atproto land, the PDS (my handle is https://pds.dad) is a bit of my specialty. Thought I'd talk about some stuff I really like over here that I think the Mastodon instance did better.
- Having a nice rendered about page is super nice. Shows some quick stats as well. For a PDS you have to code your own if you want that and that's what I did with https://selfhosted.social. But it's very nice to have a place to create an account on the server, show rules, and just kind of make it welcoming.
- Pending acceptance to the server. Was very cool that when I created an account on https://hachyderm.io that it put me in a bit of a pending area till moderators accepted me. The PDS has 2 ways to gatekeep creating an account. 1 you can only create an account if you have an invite code, 2 it's open but is protected from a captcha to stop bots. This was a custom thing I added with my PDS Gatekeeper project (https://tangled.org/pds.dad/pds-gatekeeper). I kind of want to add pending invites to PDS Gatekeeper now after seeing how y'all do that here!
- Multi factor and 2 factor authentication. Bluesky's PDSs have email 2FA because they have something similar to my PDS Gatekeeper called the entryway that sits in front of their PDSs. It handles that. But since that's not part of the PDS, they do not have 2FA built it. That is changing very soon with a PR to the repo. But it will be email 2FA. Was really nice to do the 2FA app or a security key, in addition, it looks like everything is default OAuth here. OAuth on atproto is still pretty new, but it's quickly becoming the standard.
I think the PDS will catch up in a few of these areas, and they are pain points PDS admins have run into in the past. So it has been nice to see how something similar is also tackling them. I'm seeing some other pro/cons between each, but I mostly like to focus on the positive that I think each brings to the table. Teamwork makes the dream work.
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In atproto land, the PDS (my handle is https://pds.dad) is a bit of my specialty. Thought I'd talk about some stuff I really like over here that I think the Mastodon instance did better.
- Having a nice rendered about page is super nice. Shows some quick stats as well. For a PDS you have to code your own if you want that and that's what I did with https://selfhosted.social. But it's very nice to have a place to create an account on the server, show rules, and just kind of make it welcoming.
- Pending acceptance to the server. Was very cool that when I created an account on https://hachyderm.io that it put me in a bit of a pending area till moderators accepted me. The PDS has 2 ways to gatekeep creating an account. 1 you can only create an account if you have an invite code, 2 it's open but is protected from a captcha to stop bots. This was a custom thing I added with my PDS Gatekeeper project (https://tangled.org/pds.dad/pds-gatekeeper). I kind of want to add pending invites to PDS Gatekeeper now after seeing how y'all do that here!
- Multi factor and 2 factor authentication. Bluesky's PDSs have email 2FA because they have something similar to my PDS Gatekeeper called the entryway that sits in front of their PDSs. It handles that. But since that's not part of the PDS, they do not have 2FA built it. That is changing very soon with a PR to the repo. But it will be email 2FA. Was really nice to do the 2FA app or a security key, in addition, it looks like everything is default OAuth here. OAuth on atproto is still pretty new, but it's quickly becoming the standard.
I think the PDS will catch up in a few of these areas, and they are pain points PDS admins have run into in the past. So it has been nice to see how something similar is also tackling them. I'm seeing some other pro/cons between each, but I mostly like to focus on the positive that I think each brings to the table. Teamwork makes the dream work.
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In atproto land, the PDS (my handle is https://pds.dad) is a bit of my specialty. Thought I'd talk about some stuff I really like over here that I think the Mastodon instance did better.
- Having a nice rendered about page is super nice. Shows some quick stats as well. For a PDS you have to code your own if you want that and that's what I did with https://selfhosted.social. But it's very nice to have a place to create an account on the server, show rules, and just kind of make it welcoming.
- Pending acceptance to the server. Was very cool that when I created an account on https://hachyderm.io that it put me in a bit of a pending area till moderators accepted me. The PDS has 2 ways to gatekeep creating an account. 1 you can only create an account if you have an invite code, 2 it's open but is protected from a captcha to stop bots. This was a custom thing I added with my PDS Gatekeeper project (https://tangled.org/pds.dad/pds-gatekeeper). I kind of want to add pending invites to PDS Gatekeeper now after seeing how y'all do that here!
- Multi factor and 2 factor authentication. Bluesky's PDSs have email 2FA because they have something similar to my PDS Gatekeeper called the entryway that sits in front of their PDSs. It handles that. But since that's not part of the PDS, they do not have 2FA built it. That is changing very soon with a PR to the repo. But it will be email 2FA. Was really nice to do the 2FA app or a security key, in addition, it looks like everything is default OAuth here. OAuth on atproto is still pretty new, but it's quickly becoming the standard.
I think the PDS will catch up in a few of these areas, and they are pain points PDS admins have run into in the past. So it has been nice to see how something similar is also tackling them. I'm seeing some other pro/cons between each, but I mostly like to focus on the positive that I think each brings to the table. Teamwork makes the dream work.
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Want an update on the Weekend at Bernie’s clown show that is W Social? No? Me neither, but here we are…
So before we start, let’s recount the whole dystopian raison d’être of these Davosian clowns: to be a EU®opean “alternative to X” that – cue the 1984 theme tune – verifies your identity to ensure that only “real people” are on it (real is what your government says it is).
Now, let’s fast forward to last week, when TikTok set up an account on W Social.
That’s nice, isn’t it? One surveillance capitalist lending their support to another? Kumbaya and all that. The only problem? (spoiler alert), it wasn’t TikTok. (Shocking, I know.)
The account, Identity Verified™ by EU X – sorry, W Social, was a spam account and immediately labelled as such by BlueSky moderators. (Don’t you love a “decentralised” system where a post on an EU server, accessed from another EU server, is moderated by our benevolent Big Brother in Trumpland, by the way? I know it just warms the cockles of my heart. So much sovereignty! But I digress…)
So @_elena calls them out (someone has to while @EUCommission is busy preparing for their honeymoon after expressing their undying devotion to W Social recently on every social platform¹):
https://mu.social/profile/elenarossini.com/post/3mqob7shxks2t
Anna Zeiter – W CEO, Stanford’s own, and ex-eBay executive (such sovereignty) – replies with this absolute zinger:
> “We are just verifying if some [sic] is a human and at least 18 years old. Users are then free to choose their own user name. This (human) user apparently chose the name TikTok.“ (https://mu.social/profile/anna.wsocial.eu/post/3mqoepm7m2k2z)
Read that as many times as you like until it really sinks in.
These incompetent clowns (dangerous competent clowns but incompetent clowns nevertheless) make people go through a ridiculous 13-step identity verification stage² and then… umm… you get to choose whatever identity you want.
🤡🤡🤡
Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad they’re incompetent. It would be worse if they were competent, given they’re a closed-source venture-capital-funded startup determined to prove your identity.
> “Yes we have a business model, it’s not a philanthropy, we are not a B corp, we actually want to make money.” – Anna Zeiter³
But, what I want to know is this: Why has @EUCommission embraced a proprietary, closed-source, corporate ghost town with 14,300 accounts, 90% of which have not posted even once (in other words, with only 1,259 accounts that have ever posted)⁴ when there is a thriving non-corporate fediverse with millions of active people on it.
Could it have anything to do with identity verification, surveillance, and control?
And if so, why can’t they even get that right?
Looking forward to seeing how long @EUCommission can drag the corpse of W Social around before people realise it’s dead.
Oh, and how does this make the whole “European alternatives” thing look? Not good. Not because there aren’t excellent European alternatives but because the folks at the commission are either too clueless or too corrupt to recognise and support them.
So, yeah, how’s your Monday going?
¹ e.g., https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral/116770333053823108, etc.
² https://aseachange.com/@elena/statuses/01KVD55YBYVM3B46ACQTECDMT2
³ https://blog.elenarossini.com/the-untold-story-about-w-social-unconventional-beginnings-strategic-pitches-conflicting-signals/ (from the YouTube video that they since deleted. Nice transparency there, clowns.)
⁴ Run this script in Node 18+ to reproduce the numbers from their PDS yourself: https://codeberg.org/aral/gists/src/branch/main/wsocial-pds-stats.js Also see https://blog.elenarossini.com/w-social-a-broken-ghost-town/ and https://blog.elenarossini.com/w-social-fictional-metrics-and-the-beauty-of-open-data/
#WSocial #EU #sovereignty #socialMedia #socialNetworking #mastodon #fediverse #activityPub #ATProto #startups #EUCommission
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Want an update on the Weekend at Bernie’s clown show that is W Social? No? Me neither, but here we are…
So before we start, let’s recount the whole dystopian raison d’être of these Davosian clowns: to be a EU®opean “alternative to X” that – cue the 1984 theme tune – verifies your identity to ensure that only “real people” are on it (real is what your government says it is).
Now, let’s fast forward to last week, when TikTok set up an account on W Social.
That’s nice, isn’t it? One surveillance capitalist lending their support to another? Kumbaya and all that. The only problem? (spoiler alert), it wasn’t TikTok. (Shocking, I know.)
The account, Identity Verified™ by EU X – sorry, W Social, was a spam account and immediately labelled as such by BlueSky moderators. (Don’t you love a “decentralised” system where a post on an EU server, accessed from another EU server, is moderated by our benevolent Big Brother in Trumpland, by the way? I know it just warms the cockles of my heart. So much sovereignty! But I digress…)
So @_elena calls them out (someone has to while @EUCommission is busy preparing for their honeymoon after expressing their undying devotion to W Social recently on every social platform¹):
https://mu.social/profile/elenarossini.com/post/3mqob7shxks2t
Anna Zeiter – W CEO, Stanford’s own, and ex-eBay executive (such sovereignty) – replies with this absolute zinger:
> “We are just verifying if some [sic] is a human and at least 18 years old. Users are then free to choose their own user name. This (human) user apparently chose the name TikTok.“ (https://mu.social/profile/anna.wsocial.eu/post/3mqoepm7m2k2z)
Read that as many times as you like until it really sinks in.
These incompetent clowns (dangerous competent clowns but incompetent clowns nevertheless) make people go through a ridiculous 13-step identity verification stage² and then… umm… you get to choose whatever identity you want.
🤡🤡🤡
Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad they’re incompetent. It would be worse if they were competent, given they’re a closed-source venture-capital-funded startup determined to prove your identity.
> “Yes we have a business model, it’s not a philanthropy, we are not a B corp, we actually want to make money.” – Anna Zeiter³
But, what I want to know is this: Why has @EUCommission embraced a proprietary, closed-source, corporate ghost town with 14,300 accounts, 90% of which have not posted even once (in other words, with only 1,259 accounts that have ever posted)⁴ when there is a thriving non-corporate fediverse with millions of active people on it.
Could it have anything to do with identity verification, surveillance, and control?
And if so, why can’t they even get that right?
Looking forward to seeing how long @EUCommission can drag the corpse of W Social around before people realise it’s dead.
Oh, and how does this make the whole “European alternatives” thing look? Not good. Not because there aren’t excellent European alternatives but because the folks at the commission are either too clueless or too corrupt to recognise and support them.
So, yeah, how’s your Monday going?
¹ e.g., https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral/116770333053823108, etc.
² https://aseachange.com/@elena/statuses/01KVD55YBYVM3B46ACQTECDMT2
³ https://blog.elenarossini.com/the-untold-story-about-w-social-unconventional-beginnings-strategic-pitches-conflicting-signals/ (from the YouTube video that they since deleted. Nice transparency there, clowns.)
⁴ Run this script in Node 18+ to reproduce the numbers from their PDS yourself: https://codeberg.org/aral/gists/src/branch/main/wsocial-pds-stats.js Also see https://blog.elenarossini.com/w-social-a-broken-ghost-town/ and https://blog.elenarossini.com/w-social-fictional-metrics-and-the-beauty-of-open-data/
#WSocial #EU #sovereignty #socialMedia #socialNetworking #mastodon #fediverse #activityPub #ATProto #startups #EUCommission
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Want an update on the Weekend at Bernie’s clown show that is W Social? No? Me neither, but here we are…
So before we start, let’s recount the whole dystopian raison d’être of these Davosian clowns: to be a EU®opean “alternative to X” that – cue the 1984 theme tune – verifies your identity to ensure that only “real people” are on it (real is what your government says it is).
Now, let’s fast forward to last week, when TikTok set up an account on W Social.
That’s nice, isn’t it? One surveillance capitalist lending their support to another? Kumbaya and all that. The only problem? (spoiler alert), it wasn’t TikTok. (Shocking, I know.)
The account, Identity Verified™ by EU X – sorry, W Social, was a spam account and immediately labelled as such by BlueSky moderators. (Don’t you love a “decentralised” system where a post on an EU server, accessed from another EU server, is moderated by our benevolent Big Brother in Trumpland, by the way? I know it just warms the cockles of my heart. So much sovereignty! But I digress…)
So @_elena calls them out (someone has to while @EUCommission is busy preparing for their honeymoon after expressing their undying devotion to W Social recently on every social platform¹):
https://mu.social/profile/elenarossini.com/post/3mqob7shxks2t
Anna Zeiter – W CEO, Stanford’s own, and ex-eBay executive (such sovereignty) – replies with this absolute zinger:
> “We are just verifying if some [sic] is a human and at least 18 years old. Users are then free to choose their own user name. This (human) user apparently chose the name TikTok.“ (https://mu.social/profile/anna.wsocial.eu/post/3mqoepm7m2k2z)
Read that as many times as you like until it really sinks in.
These incompetent clowns (dangerous competent clowns but incompetent clowns nevertheless) make people go through a ridiculous 13-step identity verification stage² and then… umm… you get to choose whatever identity you want.
🤡🤡🤡
Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad they’re incompetent. It would be worse if they were competent, given they’re a closed-source venture-capital-funded startup determined to prove your identity.
> “Yes we have a business model, it’s not a philanthropy, we are not a B corp, we actually want to make money.” – Anna Zeiter³
But, what I want to know is this: Why has @EUCommission embraced a proprietary, closed-source, corporate ghost town with 14,300 accounts, 90% of which have not posted even once (in other words, with only 1,259 accounts that have ever posted)⁴ when there is a thriving non-corporate fediverse with millions of active people on it.
Could it have anything to do with identity verification, surveillance, and control?
And if so, why can’t they even get that right?
Looking forward to seeing how long @EUCommission can drag the corpse of W Social around before people realise it’s dead.
Oh, and how does this make the whole “European alternatives” thing look? Not good. Not because there aren’t excellent European alternatives but because the folks at the commission are either too clueless or too corrupt to recognise and support them.
So, yeah, how’s your Monday going?
¹ e.g., https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral/116770333053823108, etc.
² https://aseachange.com/@elena/statuses/01KVD55YBYVM3B46ACQTECDMT2
³ https://blog.elenarossini.com/the-untold-story-about-w-social-unconventional-beginnings-strategic-pitches-conflicting-signals/ (from the YouTube video that they since deleted. Nice transparency there, clowns.)
⁴ Run this script in Node 18+ to reproduce the numbers from their PDS yourself: https://codeberg.org/aral/gists/src/branch/main/wsocial-pds-stats.js Also see https://blog.elenarossini.com/w-social-a-broken-ghost-town/ and https://blog.elenarossini.com/w-social-fictional-metrics-and-the-beauty-of-open-data/
#WSocial #EU #sovereignty #socialMedia #socialNetworking #mastodon #fediverse #activityPub #ATProto #startups #EUCommission
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Want an update on the Weekend at Bernie’s clown show that is W Social? No? Me neither, but here we are…
So before we start, let’s recount the whole dystopian raison d’être of these Davosian clowns: to be a EU®opean “alternative to X” that – cue the 1984 theme tune – verifies your identity to ensure that only “real people” are on it (real is what your government says it is).
Now, let’s fast forward to last week, when TikTok set up an account on W Social.
That’s nice, isn’t it? One surveillance capitalist lending their support to another? Kumbaya and all that. The only problem? (spoiler alert), it wasn’t TikTok. (Shocking, I know.)
The account, Identity Verified™ by EU X – sorry, W Social, was a spam account and immediately labelled as such by BlueSky moderators. (Don’t you love a “decentralised” system where a post on an EU server, accessed from another EU server, is moderated by our benevolent Big Brother in Trumpland, by the way? I know it just warms the cockles of my heart. So much sovereignty! But I digress…)
So @_elena calls them out (someone has to while @EUCommission is busy preparing for their honeymoon after expressing their undying devotion to W Social recently on every social platform¹):
https://mu.social/profile/elenarossini.com/post/3mqob7shxks2t
Anna Zeiter – W CEO, Stanford’s own, and ex-eBay executive (such sovereignty) – replies with this absolute zinger:
> “We are just verifying if some [sic] is a human and at least 18 years old. Users are then free to choose their own user name. This (human) user apparently chose the name TikTok.“ (https://mu.social/profile/anna.wsocial.eu/post/3mqoepm7m2k2z)
Read that as many times as you like until it really sinks in.
These incompetent clowns (dangerous competent clowns but incompetent clowns nevertheless) make people go through a ridiculous 13-step identity verification stage² and then… umm… you get to choose whatever identity you want.
🤡🤡🤡
Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad they’re incompetent. It would be worse if they were competent, given they’re a closed-source venture-capital-funded startup determined to prove your identity.
> “Yes we have a business model, it’s not a philanthropy, we are not a B corp, we actually want to make money.” – Anna Zeiter³
But, what I want to know is this: Why has @EUCommission embraced a proprietary, closed-source, corporate ghost town with 14,300 accounts, 90% of which have not posted even once (in other words, with only 1,259 accounts that have ever posted)⁴ when there is a thriving non-corporate fediverse with millions of active people on it.
Could it have anything to do with identity verification, surveillance, and control?
And if so, why can’t they even get that right?
Looking forward to seeing how long @EUCommission can drag the corpse of W Social around before people realise it’s dead.
Oh, and how does this make the whole “European alternatives” thing look? Not good. Not because there aren’t excellent European alternatives but because the folks at the commission are either too clueless or too corrupt to recognise and support them.
So, yeah, how’s your Monday going?
¹ e.g., https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral/116770333053823108, etc.
² https://aseachange.com/@elena/statuses/01KVD55YBYVM3B46ACQTECDMT2
³ https://blog.elenarossini.com/the-untold-story-about-w-social-unconventional-beginnings-strategic-pitches-conflicting-signals/ (from the YouTube video that they since deleted. Nice transparency there, clowns.)
⁴ Run this script in Node 18+ to reproduce the numbers from their PDS yourself: https://codeberg.org/aral/gists/src/branch/main/wsocial-pds-stats.js Also see https://blog.elenarossini.com/w-social-a-broken-ghost-town/ and https://blog.elenarossini.com/w-social-fictional-metrics-and-the-beauty-of-open-data/
#WSocial #EU #sovereignty #socialMedia #socialNetworking #mastodon #fediverse #activityPub #ATProto #startups #EUCommission
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Want an update on the Weekend at Bernie’s clown show that is W Social? No? Me neither, but here we are…
So before we start, let’s recount the whole dystopian raison d’être of these Davosian clowns: to be a EU®opean “alternative to X” that – cue the 1984 theme tune – verifies your identity to ensure that only “real people” are on it (real is what your government says it is).
Now, let’s fast forward to last week, when TikTok set up an account on W Social.
That’s nice, isn’t it? One surveillance capitalist lending their support to another? Kumbaya and all that. The only problem? (spoiler alert), it wasn’t TikTok. (Shocking, I know.)
The account, Identity Verified™ by EU X – sorry, W Social, was a spam account and immediately labelled as such by BlueSky moderators. (Don’t you love a “decentralised” system where a post on an EU server, accessed from another EU server, is moderated by our benevolent Big Brother in Trumpland, by the way? I know it just warms the cockles of my heart. So much sovereignty! But I digress…)
So @_elena calls them out (someone has to while @EUCommission is busy preparing for their honeymoon after expressing their undying devotion to W Social recently on every social platform¹):
https://mu.social/profile/elenarossini.com/post/3mqob7shxks2t
Anna Zeiter – W CEO, Stanford’s own, and ex-eBay executive (such sovereignty) – replies with this absolute zinger:
> “We are just verifying if some [sic] is a human and at least 18 years old. Users are then free to choose their own user name. This (human) user apparently chose the name TikTok.“ (https://mu.social/profile/anna.wsocial.eu/post/3mqoepm7m2k2z)
Read that as many times as you like until it really sinks in.
These incompetent clowns (dangerous competent clowns but incompetent clowns nevertheless) make people go through a ridiculous 13-step identity verification stage² and then… umm… you get to choose whatever identity you want.
🤡🤡🤡
Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad they’re incompetent. It would be worse if they were competent, given they’re a closed-source venture-capital-funded startup determined to prove your identity.
> “Yes we have a business model, it’s not a philanthropy, we are not a B corp, we actually want to make money.” – Anna Zeiter³
But, what I want to know is this: Why has @EUCommission embraced a proprietary, closed-source, corporate ghost town with 14,300 accounts, 90% of which have not posted even once (in other words, with only 1,259 accounts that have ever posted)⁴ when there is a thriving non-corporate fediverse with millions of active people on it.
Could it have anything to do with identity verification, surveillance, and control?
And if so, why can’t they even get that right?
Looking forward to seeing how long @EUCommission can drag the corpse of W Social around before people realise it’s dead.
Oh, and how does this make the whole “European alternatives” thing look? Not good. Not because there aren’t excellent European alternatives but because the folks at the commission are either too clueless or too corrupt to recognise and support them.
So, yeah, how’s your Monday going?
¹ e.g., https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral/116770333053823108, etc.
² https://aseachange.com/@elena/statuses/01KVD55YBYVM3B46ACQTECDMT2
³ https://blog.elenarossini.com/the-untold-story-about-w-social-unconventional-beginnings-strategic-pitches-conflicting-signals/ (from the YouTube video that they since deleted. Nice transparency there, clowns.)
⁴ Run this script in Node 18+ to reproduce the numbers from their PDS yourself: https://codeberg.org/aral/gists/src/branch/main/wsocial-pds-stats.js Also see https://blog.elenarossini.com/w-social-a-broken-ghost-town/ and https://blog.elenarossini.com/w-social-fictional-metrics-and-the-beauty-of-open-data/
#WSocial #EU #sovereignty #socialMedia #socialNetworking #mastodon #fediverse #activityPub #ATProto #startups #EUCommission
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Tangled found PDS doesn't fit well for contributions even with upcoming permissioned space spec.
So, we are planning to store record-like data outside of PDS, in Knot. This is a post explaining the reasons & upstream spec change we need.
#atproto #atdev
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Tangled found PDS doesn't fit well for contributions even with upcoming permissioned space spec.
So, we are planning to store record-like data outside of PDS, in Knot. This is a post explaining the reasons & upstream spec change we need.
#atproto #atdev
tangled-cob.md · by boltless.m... -
Sharing this! Wish I'm not late for #IETF126
Tangled found PDS doesn't fit well for contributions even with upcoming permissioned space spec.
So, we are planning to store record-like data outside of PDS, in Knot. This is a post explaining the reasons & upstream spec change we need.
#atproto #atdev
tangled-cob.md · by boltless.m... -
Sharing this! Wish I'm not late for #IETF126
Tangled found PDS doesn't fit well for contributions even with upcoming permissioned space spec.
So, we are planning to store record-like data outside of PDS, in Knot. This is a post explaining the reasons & upstream spec change we need.
#atproto #atdev
tangled-cob.md · by boltless.m... -
Sharing this! Wish I'm not late for #IETF126
Tangled found PDS doesn't fit well for contributions even with upcoming permissioned space spec.
So, we are planning to store record-like data outside of PDS, in Knot. This is a post explaining the reasons & upstream spec change we need.
#atproto #atdev
tangled-cob.md · by boltless.m... -
I dunno if this is a big deal to anybody else, but it's huge for me. It's the culmination of everything I've been working on this year. The game dev feeds and labeler, HappyView, Pentaract, Cartridge... it's all been for this.
I am SO excited to release soon and start onboarding studios. 😎
#atproto -
Y'ALL OMGOMGOMGOMG
I just did the first full, successful game migration for a @[email protected] game record via @[email protected]. I am OVER THE FUCKING MOON right now. 🥳
God, I've been working toward making this possible (and easy!) for so long. Like... pre-AtmosphereConf.
#atproto
at://birb.house/games.gamesgam...
