#quantumresistantencryption — Public Fediverse posts

Keeper Security will gradually roll out quantum-resistant encryption across our platforms, for all our users.

Our approach is a hybrid one, combining proven classical cryptography with the Kyber Key Encapsulation Mechanism, a quantum-resistant encryption algorithm approved by the U.S. National Institute of Standards and Technology.

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#KeeperSecurity #Cybersecurity #QuantumComputing #QuantumResistantEncryption

@seymour

We should aim to use the most private secure and anonymous means possible, even if we don't need them personally because theres safety in numbers. If only people who's life was at risk from the state used simplex or something else with quantum resistant encryption then the users of those apps would make a pretty good shortlist for surveillance.

#PSA #Privacy #Security #Anonymity #E2EE #QuantumResistantEncryption #Surveillance #Anarchism #SimpleX

@torf

Usually the reason I'm more concerned with quantum attacks is because it lends itself to mass-surveillance which has a broader impact - I dont imagine the govt will be coming to every door with a soldering iron any time soon.

Hidden profiles and panic buttons are simple deniability features I hope to see more projects implement them.

#PSA #Privacy #Anonymity #QuantumResistantEncryption #Surveillance

@decentral1se

Rn I'm arguing that its a safer choice because it is resistant against quantum attacks. But techlore has a review of simplex

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVKe8U-n8fU&t=1s

#FLOSS #E2EE #PSA #Privacy #Anonymity #QuantumResistantEncryption #SimpleX

@novet

Afaict simplex has all the same privacy and anonymity benefits as deltachat, and it might even have more features: simplex has calls, live-text, file transfer, voice messages, out of the box tor integration with client settings and onion address support, tag-sorting for chats, GUI theme customization and export including custom photo backgrounds.

Given that both simplex and deltachat have very similar threat models and architecture its difficult to see why anyone would choose to use deltachat over simplex when simplex has quantum resistance and deltachat does not

#FLOSS #E2EE #PSA #Privacy #Anonymity #SimpleX #DeltaChat #QuantumResistantEncryption

@rakoo @novet

Yes but it is among them and it is a conceptually easy switch that in theory should have no disadvantage to UX, and there is safety in numbers, the more people who take privacy seriously the safer those who really need it are amongst the crowd.

#PSA #Privacy #QuantumResistantEncryption

@novet

As an anarchist I think that we should all consider the state an adversary because the state is a threat to everyone's liberty and survival: they protect ecosphere destroying businesses and risk global extinction on the only planet known to host life.

When someone acts to rescue non-human creatures being tortured and murdered its that state that will come and lock up the rescuer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZeQrwKhJRQ

Qubit count seems to be exponential[1] I think its reasonable to expect quantum supremacy possibly within the next 10y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UrdExQW0cs

#QuantumResistantEncryption #Anarchism #Speciesism #Veganarchism #Veganism #ClimateCollapse #ClimateEmergency #DirectAction

@Milk31

Well I'm using what's best *for now* most users and even devs don't seem to consider Store Now Decrypt Later as a threat even when I talk to them about it so I'm sticking with the messenger that is safest.

#FLOSS #E2EE #PSA #Privacy #SimpleX #QuantumResistantEncryption

@Milk31 @escape_velocity

It has no quantum resistant encryption to protect against Store Now Decrypt Later attacks

#FLOSS #E2EE #PSA #Privacy #SimpleX #DeltaChat #QuantumResistantEncryption

@rakoo @delta

I'm glad to hear that I will have to take a closer look. Classical encryption is still a deal breaker though because of Store Now Decrypt Later attacks, SimpleX uses the double ratchet algorithm developed by signal, maybe DeltaChat could too idk if that's helpful.

#FLOSS #E2EE #PSA #Privacy #Anonymity #SimpleX #Signal #DeltaChat #QuantumResistantEncryption

@delta Reminds me of SimpleX, if you can add quantum-resistant encryption and easy multi profile management and throwaway (incognito) profiles like simplex then the privacy and anonymity features would probably be on par and I'd consider switching to get away from the far right dev team.

#FLOSS #E2EE #PSA #Privacy #Anonymity #SimpleX #DeltaChat #QuantumResistantEncryption #FarRight

@escape_velocity

Thank you for being the only other person I see on my feed talking about simplex its refreshing

Imo its the gold standard in private anonymous group messaging. Better than Signal, briar, cwtch, deltachat, meshtastic.

All of them have some benefit over simples whether it be signals ease of use and stability, briars ability to share the binary over bluetooth, cwtch's simple in-app gui for self hosting, deltachat's interoperability with email, or meshtastics resilience in mesh networks.

But only simplex has no profile ids, quantum resistant encryption, advanced invite/multi profile management, as well as being decentralized

I think that especially anarchists and activists should seek this level of privacy because compromised contacts can have their conversations with you be corroborated to show you are the same person when you have a static id even if its a random string

Since I don't get to talk to people who use simplex much I should mention why I dont talk to the people in public simplex rooms: it skews far right because the creator is a trans hating[1] climate denier with a bunch of other right wing beliefs I cant remember, you know the usual.

That being said the developers have very little control over what happens on even their own servers: they can disable invite links they dont like but not rooms (invites can easily be regenerated), they can remove file links that get reported but not messages, (files are deleted after 48h anyway bc its a relay network they cant delete it when group members have it cached) and if either of these are hosted on another simplex server since its decentralised they cant do anything

except ig the nuclear option to totally cut connection to stop their own users connecting to users on that other server. but simplex is fairly simple to self host, we should be moving away from the official servers anyway

[1]
https://x.com/epoberezkin/status/1881832239186759841

#Simplex #FLOSS #E2EE #PSA #Privacy #Anonymity #QuantumResistantEncryption #Transgender #Climate #ClimateDenier #Signal #Briar #Cwtch #DeltaChat #Meshtastic

@escape_velocity

Thank you for being the only other person I see on my feed talking about simplex its refreshing

Imo its the gold standard in private anonymous group messaging. Better than Signal, briar, cwtch, deltachat, meshtastic.

All of them have some benefit over simples whether it be signals ease of use and stability, briars ability to share the binary over bluetooth, cwtch's simple in-app gui for self hosting, deltachat's interoperability with email, or meshtastics resilience in mesh networks.

But only simplex has no profile ids, quantum resistant encryption, advanced invite/multi profile management, as well as being decentralized

I think that especially anarchists and activists should seek this level of privacy because compromised contacts can have their conversations with you be corroborated to show you are the same person when you have a static id even if its a random string

Since I don't get to talk to people who use simplex much I should mention why I dont talk to the people in public simplex rooms: it skews far right because the creator is a trans hating[1] climate denier with a bunch of other right wing beliefs I cant remember, you know the usual.

That being said the developers have very little control over what happens on even their own servers: they can disable invite links they dont like but not rooms (invites can easily be regenerated), they can remove file links that get reported but not messages, (files are deleted after 48h anyway bc its a relay network they cant delete it when group members have it cached) and if either of these are hosted on another simplex server since its decentralised they cant do anything

except ig the nuclear option to totally cut connection to stop their own users connecting to users on that other server. but simplex is fairly simple to self host, we should be moving away from the official servers anyway

[1]
https://x.com/epoberezkin/status/1881832239186759841

#Simplex #FLOSS #E2EE #PSA #Privacy #Anonymity #QuantumResistantEncryption #Transgender #Climate #ClimateDenier #Signal #Briar #Cwtch #DeltaChat #Meshtastic

@escape_velocity

Thank you for being the only other person I see on my feed talking about simplex its refreshing

Imo its the gold standard in private anonymous group messaging. Better than Signal, briar, cwtch, deltachat, meshtastic.

All of them have some benefit over simples whether it be signals ease of use and stability, briars ability to share the binary over bluetooth, cwtch's simple in-app gui for self hosting, deltachat's interoperability with email, or meshtastics resilience in mesh networks.

But only simplex has no profile ids, quantum resistant encryption, advanced invite/multi profile management, as well as being decentralized

I think that especially anarchists and activists should seek this level of privacy because compromised contacts can have their conversations with you be corroborated to show you are the same person when you have a static id even if its a random string

Since I don't get to talk to people who use simplex much I should mention why I dont talk to the people in public simplex rooms: it skews far right because the creator is a trans hating[1] climate denier with a bunch of other right wing beliefs I cant remember, you know the usual.

That being said the developers have very little control over what happens on even their own servers: they can disable invite links they dont like but not rooms (invites can easily be regenerated), they can remove file links that get reported but not messages, (files are deleted after 48h anyway bc its a relay network they cant delete it when group members have it cached) and if either of these are hosted on another simplex server since its decentralised they cant do anything

except ig the nuclear option to totally cut connection to stop their own users connecting to users on that other server. but simplex is fairly simple to self host, we should be moving away from the official servers anyway

[1]
https://x.com/epoberezkin/status/1881832239186759841

#Simplex #FLOSS #E2EE #PSA #Privacy #Anonymity #QuantumResistantEncryption #Transgender #Climate #ClimateDenier #Signal #Briar #Cwtch #DeltaChat #Meshtastic

@escape_velocity

Thank you for being the only other person I see on my feed talking about simplex its refreshing

Imo its the gold standard in private anonymous group messaging. Better than Signal, briar, cwtch, deltachat, meshtastic.

All of them have some benefit over simples whether it be signals ease of use and stability, briars ability to share the binary over bluetooth, cwtch's simple in-app gui for self hosting, deltachat's interoperability with email, or meshtastics resilience in mesh networks.

But only simplex has no profile ids, quantum resistant encryption, advanced invite/multi profile management, as well as being decentralized

I think that especially anarchists and activists should seek this level of privacy because compromised contacts can have their conversations with you be corroborated to show you are the same person when you have a static id even if its a random string

Since I don't get to talk to people who use simplex much I should mention why I dont talk to the people in public simplex rooms: it skews far right because the creator is a trans hating[1] climate denier with a bunch of other right wing beliefs I cant remember, you know the usual.

That being said the developers have very little control over what happens on even their own servers: they can disable invite links they dont like but not rooms (invites can easily be regenerated), they can remove file links that get reported but not messages, (files are deleted after 48h anyway bc its a relay network they cant delete it when group members have it cached) and if either of these are hosted on another simplex server since its decentralised they cant do anything

except ig the nuclear option to totally cut connection to stop their own users connecting to users on that other server. but simplex is fairly simple to self host, we should be moving away from the official servers anyway

[1]
https://x.com/epoberezkin/status/1881832239186759841

#Simplex #FLOSS #E2EE #PSA #Privacy #Anonymity #QuantumResistantEncryption #Transgender #Climate #ClimateDenier #Signal #Briar #Cwtch #DeltaChat #Meshtastic

@escape_velocity

Thank you for being the only other person I see on my feed talking about simplex its refreshing

Imo its the gold standard in private anonymous group messaging. Better than Signal, briar, cwtch, deltachat, meshtastic.

All of them have some benefit over simples whether it be signals ease of use and stability, briars ability to share the binary over bluetooth, cwtch's simple in-app gui for self hosting, deltachat's interoperability with email, or meshtastics resilience in mesh networks.

But only simplex has no profile ids, quantum resistant encryption, advanced invite/multi profile management, as well as being decentralized

I think that especially anarchists and activists should seek this level of privacy because compromised contacts can have their conversations with you be corroborated to show you are the same person when you have a static id even if its a random string

Since I don't get to talk to people who use simplex much I should mention why I dont talk to the people in public simplex rooms: it skews far right because the creator is a trans hating[1] climate denier with a bunch of other right wing beliefs I cant remember, you know the usual.

That being said the developers have very little control over what happens on even their own servers: they can disable invite links they dont like but not rooms (invites can easily be regenerated), they can remove file links that get reported but not messages, (files are deleted after 48h anyway bc its a relay network they cant delete it when group members have it cached) and if either of these are hosted on another simplex server since its decentralised they cant do anything

except ig the nuclear option to totally cut connection to stop their own users connecting to users on that other server. but simplex is fairly simple to self host, we should be moving away from the official servers anyway

[1]
https://x.com/epoberezkin/status/1881832239186759841

#Simplex #FLOSS #E2EE #PSA #Privacy #Anonymity #QuantumResistantEncryption #Transgender #Climate #ClimateDenier #Signal #Briar #Cwtch #DeltaChat #Meshtastic

@sarah Okay if simplex is off the table my next favourites are Cwtch, Briar, and Meshtastic they each have different use cases but none have quantum resistant encryption so if I had to ditch simplex I might have to use Signal the only other messenger I know to have quantum resistant encryption but I'd had to weigh that against the anonymity problems with signal

#PSA #Privacy #Anonymity #FLOSS #E2EE #Cwtch #Signal #Simplex #Briar #Meshtastic #QuantumResistantEncryption

@sarah Okay if simplex is off the table my next favourites are Cwtch, Briar, and Meshtastic they each have different use cases but none have quantum resistant encryption so if I had to ditch simplex I might have to use Signal the only other messenger I know to have quantum resistant encryption but I'd had to weigh that against the anonymity problems with signal

#PSA #Privacy #Anonymity #FLOSS #E2EE #Cwtch #Signal #Simplex #Briar #Meshtastic #QuantumResistantEncryption

@sarah Okay if simplex is off the table my next favourites are Cwtch, Briar, and Meshtastic they each have different use cases but none have quantum resistant encryption so if I had to ditch simplex I might have to use Signal the only other messenger I know to have quantum resistant encryption but I'd had to weigh that against the anonymity problems with signal

#PSA #Privacy #Anonymity #FLOSS #E2EE #Cwtch #Signal #Simplex #Briar #Meshtastic #QuantumResistantEncryption

@sarah Okay if simplex is off the table my next favourites are Cwtch, Briar, and Meshtastic they each have different use cases but none have quantum resistant encryption so if I had to ditch simplex I might have to use Signal the only other messenger I know to have quantum resistant encryption but I'd had to weigh that against the anonymity problems with signal

#PSA #Privacy #Anonymity #FLOSS #E2EE #Cwtch #Signal #Simplex #Briar #Meshtastic #QuantumResistantEncryption

@sarah Okay if simplex is off the table my next favourites are Cwtch, Briar, and Meshtastic they each have different use cases but none have quantum resistant encryption so if I had to ditch simplex I might have to use Signal the only other messenger I know to have quantum resistant encryption but I'd had to weigh that against the anonymity problems with signal

#PSA #Privacy #Anonymity #FLOSS #E2EE #Cwtch #Signal #Simplex #Briar #Meshtastic #QuantumResistantEncryption

@Tutanota I've mentioned this before but SimpleX is more private secure and anonymous that signal threema and session.

SimpleX is decentralised meaning taking down a single group of servers or org wouldnt destroy the simplex network, people can run completely anonymous simplex servers over tor, this puts simplex ahead of Signal and Threema

SimpleX has quantum resistant encryption which puts it ahead of Threema and Session, the UK military[1] and NATO[2] both consider quantum computers to be a threat now because of store now decrypt later attacks

SimpleX has no user identifiers not even random strings, its essentially like having a "burner phone for every contact". Two or more compromised contacts could corroborate your messages by linking them to your signal username or your session id, but with simplex your contacts can't prove your identity even between eachother. This fact puts SimpleX above Signal Threema and Session

These technical details about the simplex protocol can all be found on the project website including the whitepaper[3]

[1]
https://www.ncsc.gov.uk/whitepaper/preparing-for-quantum-safe-cryptography

[2]
https://www.nato.int/docu/review/articles/2021/06/03/quantum-technologies-in-defence-security/index.html

[3]
http://isdb4l77sjqoy2qq7ipum6x3at6hyn3jmxfx4zdhc72ufbmuq4ilwkqd.onion/

#SimpleX #Threema #Signal #Session #PSA #Privacy #Security #Anonymity #NATO #UnitedKingdom #Tor #QuantumResistantEncryption

@briar Is there any plans to add quantum resistant encryption? This is one of the main advantages simplex has for me over briar right now

#Briar #SimpleX #FLOSS #QuantumResistantEncryption #E2EE

@miya Simplex has a lot of the same advantages of signal and is better in some ways

both are floss messengers and have quantum resistant end to end encryption

simplex has multi profile functionality and anonymous invite links so each dm can be like a burner phone with no single user id to connect you to all your dms

simplex is decentralised, while unofficial signal servers cant federate with the official servers simplex is built as a decentralised network of relays that can pass messages to each other for enhanced privacy and ip obfuscation kind of like tor, and its apparently very easy to run a simplex relay bc you dont need a huge media server files and messages are ephemeral its up to end users to archive or back up

Signal was attempted backdoored by the uk govt and was only saved by signal threatening to walk, if simplex is ever compromised or enshittified forks can be made without losing your contacts we aren't totally reliant on the official simplex relays unlike with signal

#FLOSS #InstantMessenger #SimpleX #Signal #QuantumResistantEncryption #Censorship #UnitedKingdom #E2EE #Enshitification

@miya Simplex has a lot of the same advantages of signal and is better in some ways

both are floss messengers and have quantum resistant end to end encryption

simplex has multi profile functionality and anonymous invite links so each dm can be like a burner phone with no single user id to connect you to all your dms

simplex is decentralised, while unofficial signal servers cant federate with the official servers simplex is built as a decentralised network of relays that can pass messages to each other for enhanced privacy and ip obfuscation kind of like tor, and its apparently very easy to run a simplex relay bc you dont need a huge media server files and messages are ephemeral its up to end users to archive or back up

Signal was attempted backdoored by the uk govt and was only saved by signal threatening to walk, if simplex is ever compromised or enshittified forks can be made without losing your contacts we aren't totally reliant on the official simplex relays unlike with signal

#FLOSS #InstantMessenger #SimpleX #Signal #QuantumResistantEncryption #Censorship #UnitedKingdom #E2EE #Enshitification

@miya Simplex has a lot of the same advantages of signal and is better in some ways

both are floss messengers and have quantum resistant end to end encryption

simplex has multi profile functionality and anonymous invite links so each dm can be like a burner phone with no single user id to connect you to all your dms

simplex is decentralised, while unofficial signal servers cant federate with the official servers simplex is built as a decentralised network of relays that can pass messages to each other for enhanced privacy and ip obfuscation kind of like tor, and its apparently very easy to run a simplex relay bc you dont need a huge media server files and messages are ephemeral its up to end users to archive or back up

Signal was attempted backdoored by the uk govt and was only saved by signal threatening to walk, if simplex is ever compromised or enshittified forks can be made without losing your contacts we aren't totally reliant on the official simplex relays unlike with signal

#FLOSS #InstantMessenger #SimpleX #Signal #QuantumResistantEncryption #Censorship #UnitedKingdom #E2EE #Enshitification

@miya Simplex has a lot of the same advantages of signal and is better in some ways

both are floss messengers and have quantum resistant end to end encryption

simplex has multi profile functionality and anonymous invite links so each dm can be like a burner phone with no single user id to connect you to all your dms

simplex is decentralised, while unofficial signal servers cant federate with the official servers simplex is built as a decentralised network of relays that can pass messages to each other for enhanced privacy and ip obfuscation kind of like tor, and its apparently very easy to run a simplex relay bc you dont need a huge media server files and messages are ephemeral its up to end users to archive or back up

Signal was attempted backdoored by the uk govt and was only saved by signal threatening to walk, if simplex is ever compromised or enshittified forks can be made without losing your contacts we aren't totally reliant on the official simplex relays unlike with signal

#FLOSS #InstantMessenger #SimpleX #Signal #QuantumResistantEncryption #Censorship #UnitedKingdom #E2EE #Enshitification

@miya Simplex has a lot of the same advantages of signal and is better in some ways

both are floss messengers and have quantum resistant end to end encryption

simplex has multi profile functionality and anonymous invite links so each dm can be like a burner phone with no single user id to connect you to all your dms

simplex is decentralised, while unofficial signal servers cant federate with the official servers simplex is built as a decentralised network of relays that can pass messages to each other for enhanced privacy and ip obfuscation kind of like tor, and its apparently very easy to run a simplex relay bc you dont need a huge media server files and messages are ephemeral its up to end users to archive or back up

Signal was attempted backdoored by the uk govt and was only saved by signal threatening to walk, if simplex is ever compromised or enshittified forks can be made without losing your contacts we aren't totally reliant on the official simplex relays unlike with signal

#FLOSS #InstantMessenger #SimpleX #Signal #QuantumResistantEncryption #Censorship #UnitedKingdom #E2EE #Enshitification

@sashin However if you want decentralised end to end encrypted messaging also with quantum resistant encryption then there is simplex

#Simplex #E2EE #DecentralisedMessenger #QuantumResistantEncryption

@sashin Signal is more secure because it has quantum resistance, although quantum computers can't crack classical encryption yet theyre close enough that there is an attack called harvest now decrypt later where classically encrypted data is sucked up now with the hope that soon they can get a lot of value out of decrypting it with quantum computers

the uk govt and nato both consider this to be a credible threat today and google uses post quantum encryption internally already, its also supported by several privacy focused floss projects like mullvad, tuta, signal and simplex

To learn more about the need to transition to quantum resistant encryption: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UrdExQW0cs

"
This is an urgent threat to society writ large but also specifically to the military, given the importance of secure communication and secure information for defence and security. To counter this threat, we will have to completely upgrade all our secure digital infrastructure using cryptography that is ‘quantum-resistant’, i.e. secure against both quantum and classical computers.
"
https://www.nato.int/docu/review/articles/2021/06/03/quantum-technologies-in-defence-security/index.html

#FLOSS #E2EE #QuantumResistantEncryption #Simplex #Signal #Tuta #Mullvad

@cwtch Is there a group on #cwtch to join for discussing the direction of the project? I would like to ask for #QuantumResistantEncryption as this is one of the things that keeps me from switching from #simplex but I wasn't sure if asking here was the best place

@cwtch Is there a group on #cwtch to join for discussing the direction of the project? I would like to ask for #QuantumResistantEncryption as this is one of the things that keeps me from switching from #simplex but I wasn't sure if asking here was the best place

@cwtch Is there a group on #cwtch to join for discussing the direction of the project? I would like to ask for #QuantumResistantEncryption as this is one of the things that keeps me from switching from #simplex but I wasn't sure if asking here was the best place

@cwtch Is there a group on #cwtch to join for discussing the direction of the project? I would like to ask for #QuantumResistantEncryption as this is one of the things that keeps me from switching from #simplex but I wasn't sure if asking here was the best place

@cwtch Is there a group on #cwtch to join for discussing the direction of the project? I would like to ask for #QuantumResistantEncryption as this is one of the things that keeps me from switching from #simplex but I wasn't sure if asking here was the best place