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In recent days, the discussion around Lemmy has become a bit…spicy. There’s a few points of impact here. To list some examples:
- Beehaw being frustrated enough to ponder leaving the software
- Sublinks being started out of uncertainty with the lemmy roadmap
- Drama about inability to delete images and lemmy dev reactions to the priority request
- An admin blogging about their love-hate relationship with lemmy
This is not an exhaustive list. There’s significant grumbling about lemmy under the mastodon hashtag too.
On the flipside, there’s also been positive reinforcement towards lemmy and its dev, as can be seen by the admin of lemm.ee and many of the lemmy ecosystem in that thread.
You’ll notice all of these are frustrations about the (lack) of sufficient moderation in the tool-set of lemmy. This is typically coming from a lemmy admin’s perspective and the things that are very important to protect themselves and their communities.
In the discussions around these issues, a few common arguments have been made, which while sounding reasonable at face value, I think are the wrong thing to say to the situation at hand. The problem is somewhat that the one making these arguments feels like they’re being more than fair, while the ones receiving them feel dismissed or disrespected.
Before I go on, I want to make clear that I am writing this out of a place of support. I have been supporting lemmy years before the big lemmy exodus and after I made my own lemmy instance, I have created dozens of third party tools to help the ecosystem, because I want lemmy to succeed. That is to say, I’m not a random hater. I am just dismayed that the community is splintering like this, out of what seems to me, like primarily a communication issue.
So one of the analogies made in the sunaurus thread, likened lemmy development to designing a playground. It strikes me that this analogy is perfect, but not for the reason the one making it expects. Rather, it is perfect for exemplifying how someone coming from wholeheartedly supporting FOSS developers might still misjudge the situation and escalate a situation through miscommunication.
In this analogy, the commenter likened lemmy development like building a playground and external people asking for some completely unrelated feature, like a bird-watching tower, and expecting the developers to give it priority. The problem here is that the analogy is flawed. The developers are not building a playground for themselves. They’re building a playground schematic, which they expect people would and should deploy in many other locations.
Some people might indeed ask for “bird-watching observation posts” in such a schematic and it would be more than fair to ask them to build it themselves. but it is fallacious to liken any and all requests as something as out of scope as this. Some people might request safety features on the playground and those should absolutely be given more priority. We already know what can happen if you design a shitty playground, even if you give it for free!
To extend this analogy, the other lemmy admins, are not asking for luxury features. They are asking for improvements in the safety of the playground. Some people point out that metal slides become dangerous based on the weather. Some other point out that the playgrounds might be built in very unsafe areas, so a fence to protect the children from predators should be mandatory.
And here is the disconnect in communication happens. The overworked developer is already busy designing the next slide which can get them paid, or making sure things don’t break down as fast etc, and they perceive the safety requests as “luxury” items, someone should deal with themselves. However for the people who have to deal with upset parents and missing children, this dismissive attitude come out as downright malicious.
And thus you have a situation where both sides see the other are unreasonable. The devs see the people asking for the safety features as entitled, while the people who are suffering through the lack of those safety features perceive the developers as out-of-touch and dismissive.
Leave such a situation to fester long enough, and you start to get the exact situation that we have now. The Lemmy software starting to get a bad reputation in the areas concerned about most safety while forks and rebuilds are popping up.
All of this hurts the whole FOSS ecosystem by splintering development effort into multiple projects instead of collaborating on a single one. It turns our strength into a weakness!
This also brings me to another argument I see lemmy devs making somewhat too often. That they don’t have anything to gain from a larger community and just get more headaches. I always felt this was a patently absurd statement!
The lemmy devs are making more than 3K a month from lemmy. Enough that they are claiming they’re working on lemmy full-time. These funds don’t come because they’re running or developing a single forum for themselves. They come because they provide the “playground schematic”. If the community splinters into other software than lemmy, naturally the funds going towards lemmy development will likewise dry up.
This statement is completely upside down. The more people there are using and hosting lemmy, the more the lemmy developers benefit.
I would argue, the people lemmy developers should be listening to most are exactly the people hosting lemmy instances. These are the people putting incalculable hours into running and maintaining the servers and often paying out of pocket per month, for giving a service to others. Each admin is basically free value to the lemmy developers.
My position is in fact is that this scales down like layers. Lemmy Admins need to listen to instance admins most. Instance admins need to listen to community mods most. And finally community mods should listen to their users most. In this way you create bottom-up feedback mechanism, that doesn’t overwhelm any single person easily and everyone has a chance to be heard.
In AI Horde, I follow a similar approach. The segment of my community I listen to the most is in fact not the ones who are giving me money. It’s the ones who are providing their free time and idle compute for no other benefit than their own internal drive: The workers. They are effectively using their time for the benefit the whole ecosystem, which indirectly benefits me most. Without the workers, there would practically be no AI Horde, even if I am the only remaining. Likewise, without lemmy admins, lemmy as a software would be dead, even if the lemmy.ml people kept hosting forever.
So what can be done here. I think an important aspect here is to make sure we are talk in the same wavelength. Cutting down on miscommunication is very important to avoid exacerbating an already precarious situation.
Secondly, it’s totally understandable that lemmy devs don’t have enough time for everything. But likewise, there’s a ton of people who need safety features but can’t get them. As such, in my opinion priority should be put into making the frameworks that more easily allows people to extend lemmy functionality, even if it doesn’t match the lemmy developers visions, or immediate roadmap.
For this reason I strongly suggest that effort should be put into developing a plugin framework for lemmy. Ironic to suggest a completely different feature when the problem is too many things to do, but this specific feature is meant to empower the larger community to solve their own problems easier. So in the long term, it will massively reduce the incoming demands to the lemmy developers.
In the meantime, I do urge people to always consider that there’s always a human behind the monitor on the other side. A lot of time people don’t have the skills to effectively communicate what they mean, which is even worse in text form. We all need be a bit more charitable on what the other side is trying to say, especially when we’re trying to collaborate for a common FOSS project.
https://dbzer0.com/blog/the-playground-schematic-analogy-for-designing-a-fediverse-service/
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Looks like #theBlaze put #LevinTV on #BlazeTV at 2. That's very nice, before it was like #ChadPrather or some other show I wasn't into -
@BeAware I haven't had (almost) any such issues with #fediseer, but my primary audience has been #lemmy and the #threadiverse instead of microblogging. There's surprisingly different norms that have been organically reached in mastodon over the past decade which are fairly alien outside it.
It honestly feels more like a small group of people trying to futilely hold back the Eternal September through scolding and pile-ons.
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Final Four: Livestream - Handball DHB Pokal Final Four: Das Finale im Livestream#Livestream #Handball #FinalFour #Finale
Livestream - Handball DHB Pokal Final Four: Das Finale im Livestream -
A quotation from Bill Willingham
BIGBY: Freedom is sloppy. But since tyranny’s the only guaranteed byproduct of those who insist on a perfect world, freedom will have to do.
Bill Willingham (b. 1956) American writer and comics artist
Fables: Werewolves of the Heartland, ch. 9 (2012)More info about this quote: wist.info/willingham-bill/7935…
#quote #quotes #quotation #qotd #billwillingham #fables #bigbadwolf #control #disorder #freedom #liberty #order #perfection #sloppiness #tyranny
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Au sommet américano-russe sur l’Ukraine, en Alaska, Donald Trump a montré moins de condescendance et plus de respect face à Vladimir Poutine que lors de ses rencontres avec des chefs d’État africains, note “Le Djely”. Plus largement, pour le site guinéen, la méthode du président américain pour résoudre les crises en Afrique, de Kinshasa à Khartoum, n’a en rien été concluante.#criseausoudan #kivu #europe #afrique #géopolitique #vladimirpoutine #donaldtrump
Trump, faiseur de paix ? Pas si sûr, y compris en Afrique -
Au sommet américano-russe sur l’Ukraine, en Alaska, Donald Trump a montré moins de condescendance et plus de respect face à Vladimir Poutine que lors de ses rencontres avec des chefs d’État africains, note “Le Djely”. Plus largement, pour le site guinéen, la méthode du président américain pour résoudre les crises en Afrique, de Kinshasa à Khartoum, n’a en rien été concluante.#criseausoudan #kivu #europe #afrique #géopolitique #vladimirpoutine #donaldtrump
Trump, faiseur de paix ? Pas si sûr, y compris en Afrique -
Au sommet américano-russe sur l’Ukraine, en Alaska, Donald Trump a montré moins de condescendance et plus de respect face à Vladimir Poutine que lors de ses rencontres avec des chefs d’État africains, note “Le Djely”. Plus largement, pour le site guinéen, la méthode du président américain pour résoudre les crises en Afrique, de Kinshasa à Khartoum, n’a en rien été concluante.#criseausoudan #kivu #europe #afrique #géopolitique #vladimirpoutine #donaldtrump
Trump, faiseur de paix ? Pas si sûr, y compris en Afrique -
Au sommet américano-russe sur l’Ukraine, en Alaska, Donald Trump a montré moins de condescendance et plus de respect face à Vladimir Poutine que lors de ses rencontres avec des chefs d’État africains, note “Le Djely”. Plus largement, pour le site guinéen, la méthode du président américain pour résoudre les crises en Afrique, de Kinshasa à Khartoum, n’a en rien été concluante.#criseausoudan #kivu #europe #afrique #géopolitique #vladimirpoutine #donaldtrump
Trump, faiseur de paix ? Pas si sûr, y compris en Afrique -
Working with people for whom English is a second language? Some great tips here. I know I'm often guilty of (a) talking way too fast, and (b) in a very strong accent that only people from Norn Iron* can understand.
*For native English speakers, speaking English at work is a privilege. Your international colleagues have done a LOT of hard work to learn English, often to have better career opportunities at global companies. What they have done is extremely difficult and commendable.*
https://uxdesign.cc/speaking-english-so-non-native-colleagues-understand-db0aa14767d3
*Northern Ireland
#UX #design #UXdesign #HCD #humancentereddesign #humancentreddesign #inclusivedesign
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World Wide Web Foundation to close, as Berners-Lee shifts focus to Solid Protocol to take on centralised social media
https://squeet.me/display/962c3e10-240db039-03ce9f7851958f75
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Beelden op balkon | Statues on balcony
https://friendica.world/display/84b6ef2b-166a-06b3-a5cd-db0198186881
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[followup] Israeli emigration surged in 2024 as population growth slows
In 2024, Israel experienced a significant increase in emigration, with approximately 83,000 people leaving the country, according to the Central Bureau of Statistics. This contrasts with the roughly 24,000 Israelis who returned from abroad and the 33,000 new immigrants who arrived.
The overall population growth slowed to 1.1%, down from 1.6% in 2023, with a net loss of 18,000 residents due to migration, compared to a gain of 25,000 the previous year.
Despite the negative migration, the population still grew by 112,000 due to a natural increase of 130,000, resulting from 181,000 births and 51,500 deaths.
The population is now just over 10 million, with 76.9% identifying as Jewish or "other," 21% as Arab, and 2.1% as foreigners.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-12-31/ty-article/.premium/israels-population-growth-slows-as-emigration-soars-with-83-000-leaving-in-2024/00000194-1cf3-db03-a1f6-1cfb5dcf0000 or https://archive.ph/2heCD
@israel @palestine
#GazaGenoicde
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All seven A350Fs removed from launch customer Air Lease’s backlog
- By David Kaminski-Morrowhttps://www.flightglobal.com/air-transport/all-seven-a350fs-removed-from-launch-customer-air-leases-backlog/163714.article
More: https://hype.aero/aviation/?story=d0d6db0f-262b-4164-9e7a-5e2a35c6dd4f
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@mapache @db0 @dw_innovation @FediTips As you can see this rabbit hole can get a bit deep but some search terms which might be a bit more promising are: #Threadiverse #Kbin #PieFed #sublinks . This part of the Fediverse is a bit less well developed than the microblogging part but there has been a lot of activity in recent months and I have every reason to expect further development (both technically and in terms of things like moderation tools and standards).
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🤖 Oh, the irony! The #AI that knows everything forgets everything in the blink of a new chat. OpenClaw's "memory" #system is like a #goldfish with a Post-it note: #clever #engineering to fake intelligence while the model is blissfully unaware. 💡✨
https://www.db0.ai/blog/how-openclaw-memory-works #irony #memory #artificialintelligence #HackerNews #ngated -
🤖 Oh, the irony! The #AI that knows everything forgets everything in the blink of a new chat. OpenClaw's "memory" #system is like a #goldfish with a Post-it note: #clever #engineering to fake intelligence while the model is blissfully unaware. 💡✨
https://www.db0.ai/blog/how-openclaw-memory-works #irony #memory #artificialintelligence #HackerNews #ngated -
🤖 Oh, the irony! The #AI that knows everything forgets everything in the blink of a new chat. OpenClaw's "memory" #system is like a #goldfish with a Post-it note: #clever #engineering to fake intelligence while the model is blissfully unaware. 💡✨
https://www.db0.ai/blog/how-openclaw-memory-works #irony #memory #artificialintelligence #HackerNews #ngated -
🤖 Oh, the irony! The #AI that knows everything forgets everything in the blink of a new chat. OpenClaw's "memory" #system is like a #goldfish with a Post-it note: #clever #engineering to fake intelligence while the model is blissfully unaware. 💡✨
https://www.db0.ai/blog/how-openclaw-memory-works #irony #memory #artificialintelligence #HackerNews #ngated -
DER SPIEGEL (€): #Weleda: Versuche im Konzentrationslager - die Nazi-Verbindungen der Naturkosmetikfirma https://www.spiegel.de/geschichte/weleda-versuche-im-konzentrationslager-die-nazi-verbindungen-der-naturkosmetikfirma-a-5a658c52-91f3-4dfc-9eb5-db0450d3024d
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I am so disappointed to see so many people I used to respect continue to lie and misrepresent just because it fits their vibes-based narrative. It jarring because it suddenly forces double-check everything else these people say which I usually agree with, just in case they're once again lying to push their chosen narrative.
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Fortifying the Fediverse: Decentralised Trust and Safety 2024
As 2024 comes to a close, it’s a fitting moment to reflect on a year of collaboration and innovation in trust and safety within the decentralised social web. This year has been one of growth for IFTAS and the fediverse community, marked by new initiatives, partnerships, and tools that strengthen the resilience and inclusivity of federated platforms.
IFTAS Milestones
We began the year with the release of our DSA Guide for Decentralised Services, offering practical insights to help decentralised platforms navigate the EU Digital Services Act. This resource has become essential for community leaders adapting to the latest regulatory requirements. In March, we introduced a suite of Personal Digital Safety Tools from Tall Poppy, designed to help community leaders safeguard themselves against doxing, harassment, and other online threats. This initiative supports the well-being of those at the forefront of creating safe spaces.
In May, we proudly launched IFTAS Connect, a collaborative platform for moderators, administrators, and trust & safety teams. By fostering community-building and sharing resources, IFTAS Connect has become a key tool for improving moderation efforts across the Fediverse. We also introduced FediCheck, a transparency tool that helps users evaluate the policies and safety measures of various Fediverse servers. By making this information accessible, FediCheck empowers service administrators to make informed choices about the platforms they engage with.
In October, our community demonstrated exceptional resilience during a large-scale spam attack on the Fediverse. This collective effort showcased the strength of our network and our ability to address challenges collaboratively.
We welcomed three amazing contributors, Ted Han, Erin Kissane, and Andrés Monroy-Hernández, to our Advisory Board. Their expertise in open-source technology and digital governance strengthens our mission to build safer, more equitable online spaces.
We stress tested our Content Classification Service, starting with tools to detect and combat child sexual abuse material. This marks a significant step forward in equipping moderators with resources to enhance community safety.
We ended the year with the release of our annual Needs Assessment Report, gathering insights from 180+ services hosting over 4.3 million accounts across the open social web. The report highlights key challenges and opportunities, offering actionable recommendations to support moderators and administrators, and will guide our work in the coming year.
The Ecosystem Expands
2024 saw a range of non-profit organisational growth including the launch of the Social Web Foundation, dedicated to enhancing interoperability, safety, and governance across decentralised networks.
As decentralised platforms grapple with the challenges of misinformation and disinformation, Newsmast emerged as a key player in combating these threats. The platform’s proactive approach to content verification and user education has set new standards for maintaining the integrity of information shared on federated networks. Their collaborative efforts with community moderators have been instrumental in promoting accurate and reliable discourse.
Emelia Smith proposed and led the creation of the ActivityPub Trust and Safety Taskforce, whose first task will be an overview of current state of trust and safety on the Fediverse, followed by work on flags, blocks, and content labelling.
Juliet Shen announced the creation of the Open Source Tooling Consortium at TrustCon, which can both contribute to, and learn from, the open source community building federated social networks.
A New Social was launched to liberate people’s networks from their platforms, leveling the playing field across the open social web – with it’s first project to adopt and expand BridgyFed.
We look forward to collaborating with these and other organisations as the network grows, seeking to reduce duplicative effort and leveraging the energy and commitment all these amazing people are bringing to the table.
Platform Developers
Two FediForum events highlighted a ton of new work in federated platforms.
The Mastodon team is spearheading the Federated Auxiliary Service Provider specification, which is focussed on search and discovery for now but can open up a world of possibilities for trust and safety tooling. Mastodon 4.3 saw improvements in dealing with unwanted content, and Bonfire Networks undertook a range of activities to explore governance and moderation tooling as a foundation of their platform development.
Fediseer continues to be a growing resource for Lemmy and Mastodon administrators, and fedi-safety is a novel tool that can classify genAI CSAM on Lemmy and potentially other services. Pixelfed introduced comment controls and enhanced spam classifiers.
BlueSky introduced Ozone, an innovative moderation tool designed to support moderators in managing their communities. Ozone’s integration of advanced filtering systems makes it a standout contribution to the trust and safety ecosystem, powering several “composable moderation” projects on the Bluesky “ATmosphere” with the notable success of Blacksky, an AT Protocol implementation prioritising the community building efforts of marginalized groups; especially Bluesky’s community of Black users after which the project is named.
Spritely is working on the next generation of decentralised tech, building on co-founders’ Jessica Tallon and Christine Lemmer-Webber’s experience co-authoring ActivityPub.
Research and Writings
Yoel Roth and Samantha Lai published “Securing Federated Platforms: Collective Risks and Responses“, which has become an essential resource for administrators and moderators. The report explores the shared vulnerabilities of decentralised networks and provides actionable recommendations for mitigating risks collaboratively. Its release has sparked important conversations about collective accountability and the role of communities in safeguarding the social web.
Darius Kazemi and Erin Kissane published “Governance on Fediverse Microblogging Servers” – answering the question “What are the most effective governance and administration models in place on medium-to-large sized Fediverse servers?”
Looking Ahead to 2025
As we celebrate the progress made this year, we are energised by the opportunities that lie ahead. Reviewing the 2024 Needs Assessment we see our work expanding moderation tooling and providing new and enhanced resources to further strengthen and scale trust and safety in federated social networks. Wherever possible, we will endeavour to align with projects and participants that are similarly working to create #BetterSocialMedia
We are committed to advancing trust and safety in the federated web. Together, with the continued support of our community and partners, we will build on the foundations laid in 2024 to create safer, more inclusive online spaces.
To support our global community, we are translating our shared labels and definitions into multiple languages. We welcome any and all input in this collaborative effort, submit a few translations today!
Recognising the emotional toll of moderation, we will adopt and adapt resources to support moderators dealing with traumatic content. We aim to offer comprehensive guidance on various regulatory frameworks, including the UK Online Safety Act, to assist administrators and moderators in building toward compliance.
Our comprehensive Moderator Handbook is in the final stages of editing and will soon be available as a valuable resource for both new and experienced moderators. We plan to introduce hash and match services to identify and manage non-consensual intimate imagery and terrorist and violent extremist content, using platforms like StopNCII and GIFCT.
You can track our in-progress and planned activities on our Activity Tracker page.
We thank everyone involved and engaged in strengthening and scaling trust and safety in this exciting landscape, and look forward to achieving even greater milestones together in the coming year.
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