#immunitytheft — Public Fediverse posts

"44 countries have seen tenfold increases in at least 13 infectious diseases compared with levels observed before the pandemic. One idea they discuss, known as "immunity theft," proposes that an episode of acute COVID may leave people more susceptible to other infections"

#ImmunityTheft

Source: https://archive.md/BLkpk

"44 countries have seen tenfold increases in at least 13 infectious diseases compared with levels observed before the pandemic. One idea they discuss, known as "immunity theft," proposes that an episode of acute COVID may leave people more susceptible to other infections"

#ImmunityTheft

Source: https://archive.md/BLkpk

Hm?!? Gab es nicht schonmal eine Krankheit die auch erstmal Hände-ringend wegdiskutiert wurde, während immer mehr Spatzen von'n Dächern pfiffen, dass sie #Krebs begünstigt/auslöst?!? Irgendwas mit Immun-Defizit?!?

https://ard.social/@tagesschau/114947889833133834

8- bis 2-fach höhere Sterblichkeit durch #Brustkrebs nach #COVID19de könnte ja auch ein Thema für #Gleichberechtigung & #Feminismus sein, weil auch #LongCoVID ja öfter Frauen trifft.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-025-09332-0

#Medienversagen #BastaJournalismus #ImmunityTheft

Hm?!? Gab es nicht schonmal eine Krankheit die auch erstmal Hände-ringend wegdiskutiert wurde, während immer mehr Spatzen von'n Dächern pfiffen, dass sie #Krebs begünstigt/auslöst?!? Irgendwas mit Immun-Defizit?!?

https://ard.social/@tagesschau/114947889833133834

8- bis 2-fach höhere Sterblichkeit durch #Brustkrebs nach #COVID19de könnte ja auch ein Thema für #Gleichberechtigung & #Feminismus sein, weil auch #LongCoVID ja öfter Frauen trifft.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-025-09332-0

#Medienversagen #BastaJournalismus #ImmunityTheft

In #CraigFerguson's special "I'm So Happy", about 20 or 30% of the runtime is about "bonus content" to his 2 bouts of #CoVID. Various secondary infections (no surprise there) and he points out clearly: Harms your immune system.

To his credit, he finds some pretty good jokes even in that topic. But of course: lots of coughing in the audience and not a single mask in sight. The cognitive dissonance… 🤨

#ImmunityTheft #AirborneAIDS #CoVIDisnotOver

In #CraigFerguson's special "I'm So Happy", about 20 or 30% of the runtime is about "bonus content" to his 2 bouts of #CoVID. Various secondary infections (no surprise there) and he points out clearly: Harms your immune system.

To his credit, he finds some pretty good jokes even in that topic. But of course: lots of coughing in the audience and not a single mask in sight. The cognitive dissonance… 🤨

#ImmunityTheft #AirborneAIDS #CoVIDisnotOver

#Norovirus in UK ist aus dem Takt geraten: https://threadreaderapp-com.translate.goog/thread/1867985007240937853.html?_x_tr_sl=en&_x_tr_tl=de&_x_tr_hl=en-UK

1 weiterer Hinweis darauf, dass #CoVID unsere Immunsysteme stört, insb. seit der Omikron-Welle. #Immunitytheft

"Demenz" dort ist allerdings falsch übersetzt, keine Sorge.

#Norovirus in UK ist aus dem Takt geraten: https://threadreaderapp-com.translate.goog/thread/1867985007240937853.html?_x_tr_sl=en&_x_tr_tl=de&_x_tr_hl=en-UK

1 weiterer Hinweis darauf, dass #CoVID unsere Immunsysteme stört, insb. seit der Omikron-Welle. #Immunitytheft

"Demenz" dort ist allerdings falsch übersetzt, keine Sorge.

@docjosiahboone @HelenBranswell Exhausted Tcells after multiple #CoVID infections? #ImmunityTheft https://xcancel.com/AndrewEwing11/status/1588306678814056449

A relevant, fundamental question is probably: What exactly caused the lethal progressions in those early cases? Immune reaction like #CytokineStorm or the viral attack itself?

@docjosiahboone @HelenBranswell Exhausted Tcells after multiple #CoVID infections? #ImmunityTheft https://xcancel.com/AndrewEwing11/status/1588306678814056449

A relevant, fundamental question is probably: What exactly caused the lethal progressions in those early cases? Immune reaction like #CytokineStorm or the viral attack itself?

This Guardian story of health care professionals ignoring and dismissing the concerns of a mother about her sick child is sad & infuriating in all the usual ways.

While the writer stresses the HCW dismissal and denigration/gaslighting of the parent, the story misses or errs in some things.

1. This child appears to have died from the belated effects of COVID-19. There's "the doctor told them that he had Covid, and, while the fever went away after a week, the toddler never fully bounced back" and the HCW saying "Kids are not getting long Covid" and he had "an enlarged heart and blood clots on his liver" and he died of a pulmonary embolism (C19 causes clots ). Writer provides the evidence but underplays the role of Covid.

2. The writer (like many in mainstream media & HC) errs in saying "Although common, RSV was particularly virulent that year because it hadn’t been circulating as much during the lockdown years." RSV was particularly virulent because people's immune systems had been damaged by COVID. (Also, it's possible RSV mutated to become more severe--I recall seeing some evidence of this but cannot locate that now). As NNU notes, the "immunity debt" framing is wrong and dangerous.

I don't see a way to comment on the story, but maybe someone with a Guardian subscription can?

3. N.b., HCWs also gaslight & dismiss adult patients, not just parents of sick kids. (The AI summaries of Dr visits are not going to help.)

#CovidIsNotOver #HealthCare #DisabilityJustice #ImmunityTheft

Guardian story: https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2024/oct/26/mother-toddler-doctors-fatally-wrong

see also NNU on RSV and immunity myths: https://www.nationalnursesunited.org/press/increased-rsv-infections-are-due-to-failure-to-protect-public-health

C19 causes clots, they knew even then: https://www.heart.org/en/news/2022/09/19/blood-clot-risk-remains-elevated-nearly-a-year-after-covid-19

This Guardian story of health care professionals ignoring and dismissing the concerns of a mother about her sick child is sad & infuriating in all the usual ways.

While the writer stresses the HCW dismissal and denigration/gaslighting of the parent, the story misses or errs in some things.

1. This child appears to have died from the belated effects of COVID-19. There's "the doctor told them that he had Covid, and, while the fever went away after a week, the toddler never fully bounced back" and the HCW saying "Kids are not getting long Covid" and he had "an enlarged heart and blood clots on his liver" and he died of a pulmonary embolism (C19 causes clots ). Writer provides the evidence but underplays the role of Covid.

2. The writer (like many in mainstream media & HC) errs in saying "Although common, RSV was particularly virulent that year because it hadn’t been circulating as much during the lockdown years." RSV was particularly virulent because people's immune systems had been damaged by COVID. (Also, it's possible RSV mutated to become more severe--I recall seeing some evidence of this but cannot locate that now). As NNU notes, the "immunity debt" framing is wrong and dangerous.

I don't see a way to comment on the story, but maybe someone with a Guardian subscription can?

3. N.b., HCWs also gaslight & dismiss adult patients, not just parents of sick kids. (The AI summaries of Dr visits are not going to help.)

#CovidIsNotOver #HealthCare #DisabilityJustice #ImmunityTheft

Guardian story: https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2024/oct/26/mother-toddler-doctors-fatally-wrong

see also NNU on RSV and immunity myths: https://www.nationalnursesunited.org/press/increased-rsv-infections-are-due-to-failure-to-protect-public-health

C19 causes clots, they knew even then: https://www.heart.org/en/news/2022/09/19/blood-clot-risk-remains-elevated-nearly-a-year-after-covid-19

Your Immune System is Not a Muscle

#CovidIsNotOver
#ImmunityTheft

https://rachel.fast.ai/posts/2024-08-13-crowds-vs-friends/

Your Immune System is Not a Muscle

#CovidIsNotOver
#ImmunityTheft

https://rachel.fast.ai/posts/2024-08-13-crowds-vs-friends/

@ChristosArgyrop
Other implications are that children who haven't gotten their sets of vaccinations, and have already gotten COVID will get vaccine-preventable illnesses at much greater frequency, *even* after they get their shots.

#ImmunityTheft

@ChristosArgyrop
Other implications are that children who haven't gotten their sets of vaccinations, and have already gotten COVID will get vaccine-preventable illnesses at much greater frequency, *even* after they get their shots.

#ImmunityTheft

California is experiencing the largest year-over-year increase in TB since AIDS:

https://zeroes.ca/@Brad/112157949534699237

At least Balloux 🤡 was right about one thing:

http://archive.today/2024.02.18-113253/https://www.easychair.info/p/reactivated-tb-is-a-bellweather-for

#immunology #ImmunityTheft #TB #AIDS #covid #longcovid #SARSCoV2 #pandemic #PublicHealth #CovidIsNotOver

California is experiencing the largest year-over-year increase in TB since AIDS:

https://zeroes.ca/@Brad/112157949534699237

At least Balloux 🤡 was right about one thing:

http://archive.today/2024.02.18-113253/https://www.easychair.info/p/reactivated-tb-is-a-bellweather-for

#immunology #ImmunityTheft #TB #AIDS #covid #longcovid #SARSCoV2 #pandemic #PublicHealth #CovidIsNotOver

Are People Getting Sick More Since the Covid Pandemic? By Kristen V. Brown

"Immunity debt: No scientific data to support this theory"

"Immunity theft: An area of growing scientific inquiry"

#COVID19 #ImmunityDebt #ImmunityTheft @auscovid19

Source: https://bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2024-03-03/are-people-getting-sick-more-after-the-covid-pandemic?embedded-checkout=true

Are People Getting Sick More Since the Covid Pandemic? By Kristen V. Brown

"Immunity debt: No scientific data to support this theory"

"Immunity theft: An area of growing scientific inquiry"

#COVID19 #ImmunityDebt #ImmunityTheft @auscovid19

Source: https://bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2024-03-03/are-people-getting-sick-more-after-the-covid-pandemic?embedded-checkout=true

“Covid is not done with us. It’s just getting started. We really should be paying attention.”

H/T @morgfair

#COVID #LongCOVID #WearAMask #COVIDIsNotOver #COVIDIsNotMild #ImmunityTheft #Disability #MassDisablingEvent @novid @TRyanGregory https://newsie.social/@morgfair/111650542710816504

“Covid is not done with us. It’s just getting started. We really should be paying attention.”

H/T @morgfair

#COVID #LongCOVID #WearAMask #COVIDIsNotOver #COVIDIsNotMild #ImmunityTheft #Disability #MassDisablingEvent @novid @TRyanGregory https://newsie.social/@morgfair/111650542710816504

Has anyone made #OnceUponATimeLife-based #CoVIDisnotOver infographics?

Let's counter the clownish "INfecTions TrAin yoUr imMUnE SYsTem!" narrative with good, old visuals! 😷

https://gittaca.gitlab.io/2023/12/23/how-to-actually-train-your-immune-system/

#ImmunityTheft #CleanTheAir #BildungAberSicher cc @johnsnowproject @whn @whn_de @Igoe_at

😌 Have a cheerful Christmas & a healthy 2024!

Has anyone made #OnceUponATimeLife-based #CoVIDisnotOver infographics?

Let's counter the clownish "INfecTions TrAin yoUr imMUnE SYsTem!" narrative with good, old visuals! 😷

https://gittaca.gitlab.io/2023/12/23/how-to-actually-train-your-immune-system/

#ImmunityTheft #CleanTheAir #BildungAberSicher cc @johnsnowproject @whn @whn_de @Igoe_at

😌 Have a cheerful Christmas & a healthy 2024!

"Immune system training bag" with N95 masks being handed out. 😏 Seen in foyer of a conference last week.

☑️ #ImmunityTheft #EndemieRebellen #CovidIsNotOver #DieMaskeBleibtAuf #MediBubble #NerdHumor @phpledge
❌ #ImmunityDebt #Immunschuld 🤨

RT https://chaos.social/@gittaca/111392056057453079 & https://chaos.social/@gittaca/110260445540528674

"Immune system training bag" with N95 masks being handed out. 😏 Seen in foyer of a conference last week.

☑️ #ImmunityTheft #EndemieRebellen #CovidIsNotOver #DieMaskeBleibtAuf #MediBubble #NerdHumor @phpledge
❌ #ImmunityDebt #Immunschuld 🤨

RT https://chaos.social/@gittaca/111392056057453079 & https://chaos.social/@gittaca/110260445540528674

Morgens beim Aufwachen schon höre ich (im 3. Stock!) das Gehuste von:

- Fußgänger:inne:n unten vorm Haus
- zur Schule gehenden Kindern,
- Handwerkern am Wohnblock gegenüber

😢

#CovidIsNotOver #ImmunityTheft #Durchseuchung #AugustGrippe #DieMaskeBleibtAuf

Morgens beim Aufwachen schon höre ich (im 3. Stock!) das Gehuste von:

- Fußgänger:inne:n unten vorm Haus
- zur Schule gehenden Kindern,
- Handwerkern am Wohnblock gegenüber

😢

#CovidIsNotOver #ImmunityTheft #Durchseuchung #AugustGrippe #DieMaskeBleibtAuf

"data trends and patterns suggest that COVID-19 may act as a disease accelerator, amplifying the risk of an illness that may have come later in life. "So, it could be that instead of being diagnosed with diabetes by age 65, a person with preexisting risk for diabetes might—after a COVID-19 infection—be more likely to develop diabetes by age 45 or 55.""

#diabetes #AAIDS #covid #SARS2 #immunocompromised #ImmunityTheft

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/covid-19-omicron-infection-linked-new-onset-diabetes

Birdflu - meet immunocompromised population!

"at least 585 sea lions and 55,000 wild birds have been found dead in seven of the country's coastal nature preserves, likely due to avian flu."

#H5N1 #AvianFlu #AAIDS #covid #SARS2 #immunocompromised #ImmunityTheft

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/avian-influenza-bird-flu/peru-confirms-h5n1-avian-flu-marine-mammals-part-southward-spread

This is going to be great!

"The animals were found to have a mutation of the virus that could make it easier to infect mammals"

#birdfly #H5N1 #immunocompromised #ImmunityTheft #AAIDS

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-64474594?fbclid=IwAR0uAsflyWa1kD96-BJ2Oumhjs5kDpdy7Dmxrf8i2IFgA-Go0mK3ynjhW0k

Japanese media now also parroting the usual immunity debt nonsense:

"Hiroyuki Moriuchi, a Nagasaki University Hospital professor and pediatric infectious diseases specialist, speculated, "People have a weakened immune system as a result of having been unexposed to viruses amid intensified anti-coronavirus measures (in 2021 and 2022)."

https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20230203/p2a/00m/0li/031000c

@novid #Covid #Covid19 #ImmunityTheft

Japanese media now also parroting the usual immunity debt nonsense:

"Hiroyuki Moriuchi, a Nagasaki University Hospital professor and pediatric infectious diseases specialist, speculated, "People have a weakened immune system as a result of having been unexposed to viruses amid intensified anti-coronavirus measures (in 2021 and 2022)."

https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20230203/p2a/00m/0li/031000c

@novid #Covid #Covid19 #ImmunityTheft

So what happens when birdflu - 'normally' killing 56% - meets a population of immunocompromised people? There are vaccines (mostly grown in hens' eggs ironically, and dangerously), but apart from the time it takes to manufacture enough - what if they don't work; what if peoples' immune systems are too weak to adapt to the vaccines and - thus - the virus? What if the virus has mutated?

#AAIDS #BirdFlu #covid #SARS2 #immunocompromised #ImmunityTheft

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/03/opinion/bird-flu-h5n1-pandemic.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&fbclid=IwAR10NRIBoDDqPCkbDLHSTqgeoIJLJG5cfgr6w4ztymYJM85Q7egvSx1WyFM

Flu rising again in Sweden, and RS will too.

After a steep drop flu hardly went below 19/20 flu season PEAK, and is now rising again.

RS also went down, is still going down, but slower now, and I predict it will rise again soon. Even after falling it is still at 18/19 PEAK!

Covid is low, relatively speaking, but seems on the up too.

This is how it is going to be now. Forever. Until something is done. So, yeah, forever.

#AAIDS #RS #covid #SARS2 #immunocompromised #ImmunityTheft

Bird flu outbreak longevity
I'm speculating whether the current outbreak is still ongoing and spilling over due to COVID's immune suppression.

We know that wildlife (incl deer) have had COVID, and is probably mutating in their population just as in humans.

So a prior outbreak that fizzles out now continues as the R is just a bit higher.

#BirdFlu #CovidIsNotOver
#ImmunityTheft #COVIDisAirborne

Bird flu outbreak longevity
I'm speculating whether the current outbreak is still ongoing and spilling over due to COVID's immune suppression.

We know that wildlife (incl deer) have had COVID, and is probably mutating in their population just as in humans.

So a prior outbreak that fizzles out now continues as the R is just a bit higher.

#BirdFlu #CovidIsNotOver
#ImmunityTheft #COVIDisAirborne

#LongCovid #ImmunityTheft #DavosSafe

https://jessicawildfire.substack.com/p/the-gig-is-up-and-it-feels-weird?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2

#LongCovid #ImmunityTheft #DavosSafe

https://jessicawildfire.substack.com/p/the-gig-is-up-and-it-feels-weird?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2

"I was appalled to see the prime minister making those comments. And then, shortly after that, he was at a mall pressing his face up against a bunch of children — no mask. That’s the big problem with the false narrative of immunity debt: it’s encouraging people to do the exact opposite of what we need to be doing to keep everyone safe."

https://torontolife.com/city/i-was-appalled-to-see-the-prime-minister-making-those-comments-a-u-of-t-epidemiologist-on-the-myth-of-immunity-debt-and-the-real-reason-everyones-getting-sick/

#sarscov2 #covid #immunitydebt #immunitytheft

"I was appalled to see the prime minister making those comments. And then, shortly after that, he was at a mall pressing his face up against a bunch of children — no mask. That’s the big problem with the false narrative of immunity debt: it’s encouraging people to do the exact opposite of what we need to be doing to keep everyone safe."

https://torontolife.com/city/i-was-appalled-to-see-the-prime-minister-making-those-comments-a-u-of-t-epidemiologist-on-the-myth-of-immunity-debt-and-the-real-reason-everyones-getting-sick/

#sarscov2 #covid #immunitydebt #immunitytheft

Pretty much exactly when schools closed over Christmas RS and flu cases in Sweden dropped steeply. Give it two more weeks, now that schools are open again, and we'll soon be over previous record.

#RS #flu #influenza #immunocompromised #ImmunityTheft

"Many experts suggest what is actually occurring is what some are calling immunity theft.

"Research has found that having COVID — even a mild case — can interfere with a person's immune function for at least eight months, leaving them vulnerable. Barton is seeing children this year who get a viral infection, usually COVID, then get something else soon after."

It's not #ImmunityDebt, it's #COVID19 #ImmunityTheft.

https://www.tpr.org/bioscience-medicine/2022-12-27/is-immunity-debt-or-immunity-theft-to-blame-for-childrens-respiratory-virus-spike

"Many experts suggest what is actually occurring is what some are calling immunity theft.

"Research has found that having COVID — even a mild case — can interfere with a person's immune function for at least eight months, leaving them vulnerable. Barton is seeing children this year who get a viral infection, usually COVID, then get something else soon after."

It's not #ImmunityDebt, it's #COVID19 #ImmunityTheft.

https://www.tpr.org/bioscience-medicine/2022-12-27/is-immunity-debt-or-immunity-theft-to-blame-for-childrens-respiratory-virus-spike

I think it's wild to remember how terrified we all were of AIDS back in the day, when HIV infection was so much easier to avoid. Covid comes along and... shrug.

#covid19 #CovidIsNotOver #covid #Tcells #ImmunityTheft #LongCovid #Mask #HIV #AIDS #CDC #WHO #pandemic #tripledemic

@loekalization "A lesser discussed and more ominous, hypothesis for the increased illness is “#immunitytheft”: that the rampant spread of #COVID itself, especially in the spring of this year, is causing #immune dysfunction among our kids and other sufferers."

At least they recognize that it's unusual to see RS surging season after season: "Vi brukar inte heller se två år i rad av så hög spridning av RS-virus [Normally we don't see two years in a row of such high RS prevelance]"

It's a LONG way until they connect the dots, though, and realize they are - or take RESPONSIBILITY for - spreading #AAIDS among kids.

#RS #covid #SARS2 #immunocompromised #ImmunityTheft

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/sjukhusen-pressade-av-virusvagen

Good article on the most probable cause of the surges in RS and flu we're seeing across the globe right now.

#ImmunityTheft #SARS2 #covid #immunocompromised #AAIDS

https://calgaryherald.com/opinion/columnists/opinion-we-dont-know-whats-causing-the-tsunami-of-sick-kids-but-wed-better-figure-it-out-fast

Mike Leach, college football coach dead at 61, heart condition? pneumonia etc.

Had COVID earlier(?), but was likely anti-vax, given his statements.

So many #SuddenDeaths #ImmunityTheft

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mike-leach-dies-61-mississippi-state-football-coach/