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🔴 En 10 ans de Macron, la France est devenue plus inégalitaire que ses voisins européens.
En 2017, l’indice de Gini, qui mesure les inégalités de revenus, était inférieur à la moyenne de l’UE. En hausse depuis 2018, il la dépasse désormais.
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🔴 En 10 ans de Macron, la France est devenue plus inégalitaire que ses voisins européens.
En 2017, l’indice de Gini, qui mesure les inégalités de revenus, était inférieur à la moyenne de l’UE. En hausse depuis 2018, il la dépasse désormais.
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@Lilith #BGE ist kein linkes Projekt. Es ist eine Nebelkerze, auf die viele Linke hereinfallen.
Wir hatten eine ähnliche Debatte schon einmal: hieß damals #FlatTax (#Merz' Bierdeckel und so).
Knackpunkt: komplexe Strukturen schleifen, um sie durch einfachere Systeme zu ersetzen, klappt selbst in der Technik so gut wie nie. Meistens gibt es Gründe für die Komplexität.
Im Bereich der sozialen Absicherungen heißen die: Brüderlichkeit, Einigkeit, Freiheit, Gerechtigkeit, usw. usf.
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@Lilith #BGE ist kein linkes Projekt. Es ist eine Nebelkerze, auf die viele Linke hereinfallen.
Wir hatten eine ähnliche Debatte schon einmal: hieß damals #FlatTax (#Merz' Bierdeckel und so).
Knackpunkt: komplexe Strukturen schleifen, um sie durch einfachere Systeme zu ersetzen, klappt selbst in der Technik so gut wie nie. Meistens gibt es Gründe für die Komplexität.
Im Bereich der sozialen Absicherungen heißen die: Brüderlichkeit, Einigkeit, Freiheit, Gerechtigkeit, usw. usf.
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Wenn durch Freibeträge und Verrechenbarkeit eine effektive Vermögensbesteuerung erst ab 5 Mio.€ stattfinden würde (↑), könnte #DieLinke Widerstände vermeiden, wenn sie die Steuer gleich als fällig ab 5 Mio.€ gestalten und kommunizieren würde.
Auch die Konstruktion einer Progression von 1 bis 50 Mio.€, einer nachfolgenden #Flattax und dem willkürlichen Sprung auf 12% ab 1 Mrd.€ lässt mich ratlos zurück. Warum streckt man die Progression nicht weiter (ggf. logarithmisch) bis zu 12% bei 1 Mrd.€? 🤷
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Wenn durch Freibeträge und Verrechenbarkeit eine effektive Vermögensbesteuerung erst ab 5 Mio.€ stattfinden würde (↑), könnte #DieLinke Widerstände vermeiden, wenn sie die Steuer gleich als fällig ab 5 Mio.€ gestalten und kommunizieren würde.
Auch die Konstruktion einer Progression von 1 bis 50 Mio.€, einer nachfolgenden #Flattax und dem willkürlichen Sprung auf 12% ab 1 Mrd.€ lässt mich ratlos zurück. Warum streckt man die Progression nicht weiter (ggf. logarithmisch) bis zu 12% bei 1 Mrd.€? 🤷
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Selon les rapports du comité d'évaluation des réformes de la fiscalité du capital, la flat tax n'a eu aucun effet sur l'emploi et l'investissement mais a creusé les inégalités en faveur des ultra-riches.
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Selon les rapports du comité d'évaluation des réformes de la fiscalité du capital, la flat tax n'a eu aucun effet sur l'emploi et l'investissement mais a creusé les inégalités en faveur des ultra-riches.
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Il faut rétablir la progressivité de l'imposition des revenus financiers en supprimant la flat tax
Cela permettrait de mieux taxer les dividendes, qui ont explosé ces dernières années, et de faire en sorte que les revenus du capital cessent d'être moins taxés que ceux du travail
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Il faut rétablir la progressivité de l'imposition des revenus financiers en supprimant la flat tax
Cela permettrait de mieux taxer les dividendes, qui ont explosé ces dernières années, et de faire en sorte que les revenus du capital cessent d'être moins taxés que ceux du travail
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ISF, Taxe Zucman, fin de la flat tax… Des dizaines de milliards pourraient enfin être récupérés sur les ultra-riches pour financer les services publics et la transition écologique.
La justice fiscale n’est pas une option, c’est une urgence.
#JusticeFiscale #TaxZucman #ISF #FlatTax #TaxTheRich #TaxonsLesRiches
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ISF, Taxe Zucman, fin de la flat tax… Des dizaines de milliards pourraient enfin être récupérés sur les ultra-riches pour financer les services publics et la transition écologique.
La justice fiscale n’est pas une option, c’est une urgence.
#JusticeFiscale #TaxZucman #ISF #FlatTax #TaxTheRich #TaxonsLesRiches
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I'm peeking in on Booker's filibuster, realizing I wish I'd listened all night. Quite inspiring.
He's speaking about who needs help in this nation. That seems to be a recurring theme.
One of the underlying themes of all these cuts is that people shouldn't be "charged" ("taxed") for services they don't use. It sounds good in isolation, but on closer inspection, it's utterly preposterous. What they're saying is...
... that the only people who pay for very expensive diseases are those who get them.
... that the only people who pay for disaster recovery are those hit by disasters.
... that the only people who pay for police protection are those who violated -- or perhaps the only people who can afford police patrols.
... that the only people who pay for fire departments are those whose houses burn down.
I could go on, but the point is that pay-per-service makes no sense for these. Instead...
... the only people who can afford to help people who are sick are those who can.
... the only people who can afford to help people who have lost everything in disasters are those who are not victims.
... the only time it makes sense to most of us to have the police patrol is BEFORE we are violated, robbed, or killed, and that we should not have to be rich to be protected.
... the only time it makes sense to have a fire department is BEFORE our homes burn, and our poor, who can barely afford to eat, should not have to shrug off protection of the fire department because they more needed food.
Most of us WANT COMMUNITY, where the strong help the weak so that we can all survive. It's easy for the mega-rich to pay focus groups to come up with tricky messaging, or to pay Facebook to use The Algorithm to evolve and promote messaging that seduces people into thinking community just sucks out of us, giving nothing back. You CAN spin it that way, but it won't make it true.
Even abroad, which is how this all started, where we were (and hopefully still are) helping others who could not help themselves, we are enriched by a world in which the overall standards of human existence are improved.
Even if we had no religious or moral reason to just be kind, and we were totally mercenary and sociopathic (as the co-presidents are), being kind to other people makes them less likely to attack us and more likely to trade fairly with us. Ending kindness, behaving belligerently, invites bullets instead. Where is the ECONOMY in that? The SAFETY? Kindness, even to a sociopath (if they had a brain in their head) should be seen as BUYING us something.
And our sociopathic oligarchic leaders, after gutting all of this stuff THEY feel the could buy off-the-shelf if they cared, will then turn to payment and suggest a flat tax because they hope poor people will demand a low tax hope that means they'll get one, too. There is NO justice in that, only regressive effect.
"But it's our money," the rich will say. "Taxes are a taking, a robbing. You're just robbing me," they'll say. Not so. These people did not make this money in a vacuum. They're in denial about how...
... they benefited from having a fire department and police department to have a customer base and even their own factories that were safe to visit or work at.
... they have benefited from working in a country where they, their employees, and their customers were not routinely seeing bombs flying overhead.
... they have benefited from having a country where customers were basically healthy.
... they have benefited from the availability of many well-educated candidates for employment.
... they have benefited from having a population of customers who were healthy and had enough surplus of cash to buy their products.
... they have benefited from people being able to count on a dignified retirement. SO MUCH could be said about that, and perhaps I will on another day, but let me here just say that the availability of a safety net lets employees and their families focus on work rather than their own and their family's retirement.
I could go on. but they have benefited from a society that was a COMMUNITY, where we pitched in together to make it a good place. And so to later say they did it on their own is, at minimum, the height of INGRATITUDE, and also really an outright, self-serving LIE.
Taxation is NOT robbery. It is INVESTMENT, and an acknowledgment of the obvious: That in order to have a society where all can aspire to a decent life, we need to acknowledge that some people will pay a little more because they can afford more AND because they have benefited more.
Here, if you're not already tired of reading my ramblings, I reference my 2011 essay "Enough", which I wrote in response to proposals at that time for a flat tax. It takes more about that.
https://netsettlement.blogspot.com/2011/08/enough.html
#BookerSolidarity #BookerFilibuster #SenatorBooker #SenatorCoryBooker #Booker #SocialSecurity #SS #Fascism #Oligarchy #GoodTrouble #USPolitics #politics #taxation #FlatTax
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I'm peeking in on Booker's filibuster, realizing I wish I'd listened all night. Quite inspiring.
He's speaking about who needs help in this nation. That seems to be a recurring theme.
One of the underlying themes of all these cuts is that people shouldn't be "charged" ("taxed") for services they don't use. It sounds good in isolation, but on closer inspection, it's utterly preposterous. What they're saying is...
... that the only people who pay for very expensive diseases are those who get them.
... that the only people who pay for disaster recovery are those hit by disasters.
... that the only people who pay for police protection are those who violated -- or perhaps the only people who can afford police patrols.
... that the only people who pay for fire departments are those whose houses burn down.
I could go on, but the point is that pay-per-service makes no sense for these. Instead...
... the only people who can afford to help people who are sick are those who can.
... the only people who can afford to help people who have lost everything in disasters are those who are not victims.
... the only time it makes sense to most of us to have the police patrol is BEFORE we are violated, robbed, or killed, and that we should not have to be rich to be protected.
... the only time it makes sense to have a fire department is BEFORE our homes burn, and our poor, who can barely afford to eat, should not have to shrug off protection of the fire department because they more needed food.
Most of us WANT COMMUNITY, where the strong help the weak so that we can all survive. It's easy for the mega-rich to pay focus groups to come up with tricky messaging, or to pay Facebook to use The Algorithm to evolve and promote messaging that seduces people into thinking community just sucks out of us, giving nothing back. You CAN spin it that way, but it won't make it true.
Even abroad, which is how this all started, where we were (and hopefully still are) helping others who could not help themselves, we are enriched by a world in which the overall standards of human existence are improved.
Even if we had no religious or moral reason to just be kind, and we were totally mercenary and sociopathic (as the co-presidents are), being kind to other people makes them less likely to attack us and more likely to trade fairly with us. Ending kindness, behaving belligerently, invites bullets instead. Where is the ECONOMY in that? The SAFETY? Kindness, even to a sociopath (if they had a brain in their head) should be seen as BUYING us something.
And our sociopathic oligarchic leaders, after gutting all of this stuff THEY feel the could buy off-the-shelf if they cared, will then turn to payment and suggest a flat tax because they hope poor people will demand a low tax hope that means they'll get one, too. There is NO justice in that, only regressive effect.
"But it's our money," the rich will say. "Taxes are a taking, a robbing. You're just robbing me," they'll say. Not so. These people did not make this money in a vacuum. They're in denial about how...
... they benefited from having a fire department and police department to have a customer base and even their own factories that were safe to visit or work at.
... they have benefited from working in a country where they, their employees, and their customers were not routinely seeing bombs flying overhead.
... they have benefited from having a country where customers were basically healthy.
... they have benefited from the availability of many well-educated candidates for employment.
... they have benefited from having a population of customers who were healthy and had enough surplus of cash to buy their products.
... they have benefited from people being able to count on a dignified retirement. SO MUCH could be said about that, and perhaps I will on another day, but let me here just say that the availability of a safety net lets employees and their families focus on work rather than their own and their family's retirement.
I could go on. but they have benefited from a society that was a COMMUNITY, where we pitched in together to make it a good place. And so to later say they did it on their own is, at minimum, the height of INGRATITUDE, and also really an outright, self-serving LIE.
Taxation is NOT robbery. It is INVESTMENT, and an acknowledgment of the obvious: That in order to have a society where all can aspire to a decent life, we need to acknowledge that some people will pay a little more because they can afford more AND because they have benefited more.
Here, if you're not already tired of reading my ramblings, I reference my 2011 essay "Enough", which I wrote in response to proposals at that time for a flat tax. It takes more about that.
https://netsettlement.blogspot.com/2011/08/enough.html
#BookerSolidarity #BookerFilibuster #SenatorBooker #SenatorCoryBooker #Booker #SocialSecurity #SS #Fascism #Oligarchy #GoodTrouble #USPolitics #politics #taxation #FlatTax
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Introducing a flat tax is like socially returning to the Middle Ages.
It means the poor will carry the largest burden, and the rich will no longer carry their fair share.
Conservative leader Kemi Badenoch really does not read the room well.
Once citizens realize that they have been taken for a ride and that they have been defrauded, they will react.
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Introducing a flat tax is like socially returning to the Middle Ages.
It means the poor will carry the largest burden, and the rich will no longer carry their fair share.
These Missouri politicians really do not read the room well.
Once citizens realize that they have been taken for a ride and that they have been defrauded, they will react.
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Introducing a flat tax is like socially returning to the Middle Ages.
It means the poor will carry the largest burden, and the rich will no longer carry their fair share.
These Missouri politicians really do not read the room well.
Once citizens realize that they have been taken for a ride and that they have been defrauded, they will react.
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One of the things not often talked about when talking about a #UBI, is that it allows you to make a #FlatTax a #Progressive #Tax.
This is a good thing, because a lot of the trash we have favoring #corporations / #investors, etc is actually because we can't really tax all #income the same while having a progressive tax.
So, check is out:
Suppose there's a 40% #TaxRate, and a $20k UBI.
The Effective Tax on an individual then becomes what's shown in the picture.
This is _more_ progressive than our current tax system.
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One of the things not often talked about when talking about a #UBI, is that it allows you to make a #FlatTax a #Progressive #Tax.
This is a good thing, because a lot of the trash we have favoring #corporations / #investors, etc is actually because we can't really tax all #income the same while having a progressive tax.
So, check is out:
Suppose there's a 40% #TaxRate, and a $20k UBI.
The Effective Tax on an individual then becomes what's shown in the picture.
This is _more_ progressive than our current tax system.
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CW: Votez pour imposer les riches
Dans le contrat de législature, il y a une loi de finances rectificative le 4 août.
Elle comprendrait évidemment l'#ISF, un impôt sur le patrimoine.
Il y a aussi de quoi limiter l'accumulation : "Supprimer la flat tax". Qu'est-ce ?Au lieu d'imposer les intérêts de l'épargne selon le même barème que les revenus du travail, les gains financiers sont taxés à 12,8 % pour l'impôt sur le revenu. De fait, la #flatTax offre une imposition allégée pour les gains financiers si vous avez des revenus confortables.
Le nouveau Président de la République a organisé son application au plus vite : le 1er janvier 2018.
Modalités d'utilisation et d'optimisation : https://www.legalplace.fr/guides/flat-tax/
#4Août #30Juin #impôts #héritage #NouveauFrontPopulaire #FrontPopulaire #élections #législatives #législatives2024 #programme #ContratDeLégislature #100Jours #7Juillet #ÉtéDesBifurcations #LaGauche #UnionDeLaGauche #macron #macronie #riches #patrimoine #optimisationFiscale
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CW: Votez pour imposer les riches
Dans le contrat de législature, il y a une loi de finances rectificative le 4 août.
Elle comprendrait évidemment l'#ISF, un impôt sur le patrimoine.
Il y a aussi de quoi limiter l'accumulation : "Supprimer la flat tax". Qu'est-ce ?Au lieu d'imposer les intérêts de l'épargne selon le même barème que les revenus du travail, les gains financiers sont taxés à 12,8 % pour l'impôt sur le revenu. De fait, la #flatTax offre une imposition allégée pour les gains financiers si vous avez des revenus confortables.
Le nouveau Président de la République a organisé son application au plus vite : le 1er janvier 2018.
Modalités d'utilisation et d'optimisation : https://www.legalplace.fr/guides/flat-tax/
#4Août #30Juin #impôts #héritage #NouveauFrontPopulaire #FrontPopulaire #élections #législatives #législatives2024 #programme #ContratDeLégislature #100Jours #7Juillet #ÉtéDesBifurcations #LaGauche #UnionDeLaGauche #macron #macronie #riches #patrimoine #optimisationFiscale
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"flat taxers, not surprisingly, ignore the answer our income tax history makes patently plain: ...
Flat taxes ... give our richest what amounts to a free ride ...families earning $70,000 a year would feel a far greater squeeze at tax time than families making $700,000 a year... “Our tax system should require the richest Americans to pay much more in taxes than they do now... *to support the public investments that make their fortunes possible*.”
https://www.counterpunch.org/2024/04/23/are-the-flat-tax-folks-winning-or-have-they-already-won/
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@essollteskalieren @antipode77
The "simplicity" of a #FlatTax is its *sole* appeal. Beyond that, it's a truly awful means of taxation.It penalizes The Poor FAR more than it penalizes rich tax cheats. It removes a powerful tool from the gov't toolbox to push corporations to do the right thing (reinvest & wage hikes to avoid taxes, etc) and The Wealthy will STILL find ways to circumvent it. 😞
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@essollteskalieren @antipode77
The "simplicity" of a #FlatTax is its *sole* appeal. Beyond that, it's a truly awful means of taxation.It penalizes The Poor FAR more than it penalizes rich tax cheats. It removes a powerful tool from the gov't toolbox to push corporations to do the right thing (reinvest & wage hikes to avoid taxes, etc) and The Wealthy will STILL find ways to circumvent it. 😞
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@essollteskalieren @antipode77
EXCEPT that the same people calling for a #FlatTax ALSO want to keep those loopholes.We DEFINITELY want to keep some of those "loopholes" for the Poor. The extreme poor can't afford a 16% tax hike.
(And note, "tax breaks" are not necessarily bad. They were first introduced as a way of encouraging corporations to do the right thing. We still want to do that.)
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@essollteskalieren @antipode77
EXCEPT that the same people calling for a #FlatTax ALSO want to keep those loopholes.We DEFINITELY want to keep some of those "loopholes" for the Poor. The extreme poor can't afford a 16% tax hike.
(And note, "tax breaks" are not necessarily bad. They were first introduced as a way of encouraging corporations to do the right thing. We still want to do that.)
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@antipode77
A "#FlatTax" *sounds* fair & logical until you realize: -
@antipode77
A "#FlatTax" *sounds* fair & logical until you realize: -
DeSantis Vows to Abolish IRS, Advocates Flat Tax in Presidential Bid Amidst Stiff GOP Competition - On Jan. 4, 2024, Florida Governor and presidential candidate Ron DeSantis articula... - https://news.bitcoin.com/desantis-vows-to-abolish-irs-advocates-flat-tax-in-presidential-bid-amidst-stiff-gop-competition/ #presidentialcandidate #rondesantis #ustaxsystem #economics #taxagency #desantis #flattax #news #irs
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DeSantis Vows to Abolish IRS, Advocates Flat Tax in Presidential Bid Amidst Stiff GOP Competition - On Jan. 4, 2024, Florida Governor and presidential candidate Ron DeSantis articula... - https://news.bitcoin.com/desantis-vows-to-abolish-irs-advocates-flat-tax-in-presidential-bid-amidst-stiff-gop-competition/ #presidentialcandidate #rondesantis #ustaxsystem #economics #taxagency #desantis #flattax #news #irs
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"1.200 Euro bedingungsloses #Grundeinkommen monatlich für alle sind grundsätzlich finanzierbar – dies zeigt ein neuer Onlinerechner."
https://taz.de/Daten-zu-bedingungslosem-Grundeinkommen/!5953122/
#DIW #Steuerausgleich #Armut #Vermögen #Ungleichheit #Flattax #Erbschaftssteuer -
"1.200 Euro bedingungsloses #Grundeinkommen monatlich für alle sind grundsätzlich finanzierbar – dies zeigt ein neuer Onlinerechner."
https://taz.de/Daten-zu-bedingungslosem-Grundeinkommen/!5953122/
#DIW #Steuerausgleich #Armut #Vermögen #Ungleichheit #Flattax #Erbschaftssteuer -
Ma guarda te i burocrati dell'Europa ce bloccano la #FlatTax perché dicono che nun è ecqua e progressiva e poi ce scassano sur #PNRR e ce mettono er paletto dell'1.3% quà e 0,5% là...
Ma allora governate voi li mortacci vostra! Che potemo decide noi? Solo de rompe i cojoni a gay e negri? Ah no, manco quello che poi ce dicono che semo retrogradi ar G7 😡
Quanto me manca de stà all'opposizzione a promette la Luna e le accise! 😔
https://www.open.online/2023/05/24/commissione-ue-raccomandazioni-primavera-pnrr-flat-tax-italia/
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Ma guarda te i burocrati dell'Europa ce bloccano la #FlatTax perché dicono che nun è ecqua e progressiva e poi ce scassano sur #PNRR e ce mettono er paletto dell'1.3% quà e 0,5% là...
Ma allora governate voi li mortacci vostra! Che potemo decide noi? Solo de rompe i cojoni a gay e negri? Ah no, manco quello che poi ce dicono che semo retrogradi ar G7 😡
Quanto me manca de stà all'opposizzione a promette la Luna e le accise! 😔
https://www.open.online/2023/05/24/commissione-ue-raccomandazioni-primavera-pnrr-flat-tax-italia/
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La rivoluzione fiscale promessa dal governo Meloni manterrà solo le disuguaglianze
https://www.valigiablu.it/governo-meloni-riforma-fiscale-nuove-aliquote-irpef/ #governomeloni #irpef #iva #ires #riformafiscale #flattax -
La rivoluzione fiscale promessa dal governo Meloni manterrà solo le disuguaglianze
https://www.valigiablu.it/governo-meloni-riforma-fiscale-nuove-aliquote-irpef/ #governomeloni #irpef #iva #ires #riformafiscale #flattax -
Commentary from Editor #RuthConniff: #GOP lawmakers claim state can’t afford to help small biz, restore #SchoolFunding or address #environmental needs — but want to flush away $5B with a #FlatTax.
https://wisconsinexaminer.com/2023/02/01/wisconsin-budget-debate-what-kind-of-state-do-we-want/ -
#Wisconsin’s wealthiest have highest state income tax rate. But add up what they pay in all state & local taxes: it's a smaller share of their income than the rest of us. #FlatTax would widen that gap, #CarlDavis of #ITEP tells @erikgunn.
https://wisconsinexaminer.com/2023/01/26/tax-analyst-says-flat-rate-system-will-benefit-wealthy-at-the-expense-of-the-majority/ -
Ragà, capiamoci... avemo bisogno de sordi pe la #FlatTax, ergo ve tassamo la benzina che è l'unica cosa che nun evade nessuno.
https://www.open.online/2023/01/05/governo-meloni-pichetto-fratin-benzina-2-euro-speculazione/
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@DolanEcon
I appreciate the point. I'm with the critics who say flat taxes tend to put more burden on the poor and less on the rich. Wealth inequality is so bad that we need to do everything we can to reduce it. I'm in favor of progressive taxation and funding the IRS and state tax agencies. But I'm always open to reconsidering my ideas if the legislation or data shows something different. And if we could get flat % *wealth* tax that would be ok with me
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Moving to a flat tax makes wealth inequality much worse. I'm disappointed to see Arizona and Iowa head that way
https://apnews.com/article/abortion-politics-sports-health-california-1fb4e9a99c43d45f83d0816a6eb8cd89
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@GustavinoBevilacqua Nei volantini insisterei sul fatto che dovrebbero tutti segnarselo a mente che questi tagli li ha fatti la Meloni nel 2022 per introdurre la preudo #flattax. Perchè tra un anno se lo saran dimenticato tuttx
