#consequentialism — Public Fediverse posts
Live and recent posts from across the Fediverse tagged #consequentialism, aggregated by home.social.
-
@sigismundninja @neilk @codinghorror all forms of #utilitarianism and #consequentialism are incoherent due to the consequentialist judgement paradox. Basically, there is a paradox with judging thing purely on consequences and then judging the consequences of your own moral judgement.
-
@sigismundninja @neilk @codinghorror all forms of #utilitarianism and #consequentialism are incoherent due to the consequentialist judgement paradox. Basically, there is a paradox with judging thing purely on consequences and then judging the consequences of your own moral judgement.
-
@sigismundninja @neilk @codinghorror all forms of #utilitarianism and #consequentialism are incoherent due to the consequentialist judgement paradox. Basically, there is a paradox with judging thing purely on consequences and then judging the consequences of your own moral judgement.
-
@sigismundninja @neilk @codinghorror all forms of #utilitarianism and #consequentialism are incoherent due to the consequentialist judgement paradox. Basically, there is a paradox with judging thing purely on consequences and then judging the consequences of your own moral judgement.
-
@sigismundninja @neilk @codinghorror all forms of #utilitarianism and #consequentialism are incoherent due to the consequentialist judgement paradox. Basically, there is a paradox with judging thing purely on consequences and then judging the consequences of your own moral judgement.
-
The fallacy at the heart of welfare economics
https://davidellerman.substack.com/p/the-petitio-principii-fallacy-in
#Economics #EconTwitter #Econ #PoliticalEconomy #WelfareEconomics #Philosophy #Ethics #Utilitarianism #Utilitarian #Consequentialism #Consequentialist #capitalism #Egalitarianism #Egalitarian #Inequality
-
The fallacy at the heart of welfare economics
https://davidellerman.substack.com/p/the-petitio-principii-fallacy-in
#Economics #EconTwitter #Econ #PoliticalEconomy #WelfareEconomics #Philosophy #Ethics #Utilitarianism #Utilitarian #Consequentialism #Consequentialist #capitalism #Egalitarianism #Egalitarian #Inequality
-
The fallacy at the heart of welfare economics
https://davidellerman.substack.com/p/the-petitio-principii-fallacy-in
#Economics #EconTwitter #Econ #PoliticalEconomy #WelfareEconomics #Philosophy #Ethics #Utilitarianism #Utilitarian #Consequentialism #Consequentialist #capitalism #Egalitarianism #Egalitarian #Inequality
-
The fallacy at the heart of welfare economics
https://davidellerman.substack.com/p/the-petitio-principii-fallacy-in
#Economics #EconTwitter #Econ #PoliticalEconomy #WelfareEconomics #Philosophy #Ethics #Utilitarianism #Utilitarian #Consequentialism #Consequentialist #capitalism #Egalitarianism #Egalitarian #Inequality
-
The fallacy at the heart of welfare economics
https://davidellerman.substack.com/p/the-petitio-principii-fallacy-in
#Economics #EconTwitter #Econ #PoliticalEconomy #WelfareEconomics #Philosophy #Ethics #Utilitarianism #Utilitarian #Consequentialism #Consequentialist #capitalism #Egalitarianism #Egalitarian #Inequality
-
Because your decision to include this rule came from the consequences of not including it (the paradox arising) it could be said that it is a rule-utilitarian rule.
This is a problem because the paper talked about how carving out exceptions still leads to the paradox in the section titled "Attempts to include undecidable cases in the theory to avoid them"
-
@jlou Well yes but is seems arbitrary, couldn't you say that you're making that decision based on the consequences of not doing so, making it more of a rule-utilitarian position.
-
@jlou Well yes but is seems arbitrary, couldn't you say that you're making that decision based on the consequences of not doing so, making it more of a rule-utilitarian position.
-
@jlou Well yes but is seems arbitrary, couldn't you say that you're making that decision based on the consequences of not doing so, making it more of a rule-utilitarian position.
-
@jlou Well yes but is seems arbitrary, couldn't you say that you're making that decision based on the consequences of not doing so, making it more of a rule-utilitarian position.
-
@jlou Well yes but is seems arbitrary, couldn't you say that you're making that decision based on the consequences of not doing so, making it more of a rule-utilitarian position.
-
@jlou I agree with the point that consequentialism is a knowledge based framework and that there are necessarily limits to that knowledge such as explicit predictive knowledge on the workings of other minds that could lead to concrete Trickster Element paradoxes.
I was also reminded of Godels Incompleteness Theorum and of course the existence of that doesn't make all math pointless
I have a feeling that considering this from a panpsychist angle will change it somewhat but I still have more to think about
-
@wouldinotcallmyselfahumanbeing Preference utilitarianism also prevents interpersonal comparisons necessary to even notice that inequality is worth solving. The recognition of freedom as a fundamental moral value allows interpersonal comparisons between the rich and the poor, which justify wealth and income redistribution.
Thanks for the compliment. I appreciate your pushing back, and have also enjoyed the conversation.
-
@wouldinotcallmyselfahumanbeing Preference utilitarianism also prevents interpersonal comparisons necessary to even notice that inequality is worth solving. The recognition of freedom as a fundamental moral value allows interpersonal comparisons between the rich and the poor, which justify wealth and income redistribution.
Thanks for the compliment. I appreciate your pushing back, and have also enjoyed the conversation.
-
@wouldinotcallmyselfahumanbeing Preference utilitarianism also prevents interpersonal comparisons necessary to even notice that inequality is worth solving. The recognition of freedom as a fundamental moral value allows interpersonal comparisons between the rich and the poor, which justify wealth and income redistribution.
Thanks for the compliment. I appreciate your pushing back, and have also enjoyed the conversation.
-
@wouldinotcallmyselfahumanbeing Preference utilitarianism also prevents interpersonal comparisons necessary to even notice that inequality is worth solving. The recognition of freedom as a fundamental moral value allows interpersonal comparisons between the rich and the poor, which justify wealth and income redistribution.
Thanks for the compliment. I appreciate your pushing back, and have also enjoyed the conversation.
-
@wouldinotcallmyselfahumanbeing Preference utilitarianism also prevents interpersonal comparisons necessary to even notice that inequality is worth solving. The recognition of freedom as a fundamental moral value allows interpersonal comparisons between the rich and the poor, which justify wealth and income redistribution.
Thanks for the compliment. I appreciate your pushing back, and have also enjoyed the conversation.
-
RE: https://mastodon.social/@jlou/115970177564955152
@ArthurI what do you think of this resolution I came up with to the consequentialist judgement paradox you came up with?
#philosophy #ethics #Consequentialism #utilitarian #utilitarianism #consequentialist #deontology #deontological
-
RE: https://mastodon.social/@jlou/115970177564955152
@ArthurI what do you think of this resolution I came up with to the consequentialist judgement paradox you came up with?
#philosophy #ethics #Consequentialism #utilitarian #utilitarianism #consequentialist #deontology #deontological
-
RE: https://mastodon.social/@jlou/115970177564955152
@ArthurI what do you think of this resolution I came up with to the consequentialist judgement paradox you came up with?
#philosophy #ethics #Consequentialism #utilitarian #utilitarianism #consequentialist #deontology #deontological
-
RE: https://mastodon.social/@jlou/115970177564955152
@ArthurI what do you think of this resolution I came up with to the consequentialist judgement paradox you came up with?
#philosophy #ethics #Consequentialism #utilitarian #utilitarianism #consequentialist #deontology #deontological
-
RE: https://mastodon.social/@jlou/115970177564955152
@ArthurI what do you think of this resolution I came up with to the consequentialist judgement paradox you came up with?
#philosophy #ethics #Consequentialism #utilitarian #utilitarianism #consequentialist #deontology #deontological
-
A moral philosophy paper recently written by me, presenting a new liar paradox-like argument about contradictions within consequentialism:
https://philpapers.org/rec/IONCJP
#philosophy #ethic #consequentialism #deontology #metaethics #morality #paradox #research
-
A moral philosophy paper recently written by me, presenting a new liar paradox-like argument about contradictions within consequentialism:
https://philpapers.org/rec/IONCJP
#philosophy #ethic #consequentialism #deontology #metaethics #morality #paradox #research
-
A moral philosophy paper recently written by me, presenting a new liar paradox-like argument about contradictions within consequentialism:
https://philpapers.org/rec/IONCJP
#philosophy #ethic #consequentialism #deontology #metaethics #morality #paradox #research
-
Virtue Ethics is Bad Political Ideology
So, I need to flesh this idea out a bit more. but I wanted to get it out there, because I think this concept is kind of central to developing a robust political framework.
If I could name one big factor responsible for political failure, it would be the implementation of virtue ethics as political policy. Politics needs to be concerned with practicality, and regardless of what principles a given set of virtue ethics contains, it is going to be utterly impractical to implement, both due to the existence of competing ideologies and human inconsistency. This is not even getting into situations where different values in a given system may conflict with each other. Politics has to be concerned with consequences--too much focus on virtue (for just about any given value of the term) will be the downfall of any political system.
Though I must note that I think the most well known form of consequentialism, utilitarianism, is also fundamentally flawed. -
“Utilitarianism asks: greatest happiness for the greatest number. Does the majority always know what’s best?”
-
CAN PHILOSOPHY SAVE HUMANITY IF AI->AGI? While not one mention of "AI" in this paper, there are certain implications that may be worth an ☕ of contemplation. #philosophy #ai #ethics #agi #law #order #judgement #systems #consequentialism #metaethics #errtling www.researchgate.net/publication/...
(PDF) Consequentialist Judgmen... -
CAN PHILOSOPHY SAVE HUMANITY IF AI->AGI? While not one mention of "AI" in this paper, there are certain implications that may be worth an ☕ of contemplation. #philosophy #ai #ethics #agi #law #order #judgement #systems #consequentialism #metaethics #errtling www.researchgate.net/publication/...
(PDF) Consequentialist Judgmen... -
CAN PHILOSOPHY SAVE HUMANITY IF AI->AGI? While not one mention of "AI" in this paper, there are certain implications that may be worth an ☕ of contemplation. #philosophy #ai #ethics #agi #law #order #judgement #systems #consequentialism #metaethics #errtling www.researchgate.net/publication/...
(PDF) Consequentialist Judgmen... -
Do Moral Beliefs Motivate Action?
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10677-023-10389-x
#philosophy #philosophie #deontology #consequentialism #kantianism #virtueethics
-
The Morality of Markets, by Mathias Dewatripont and Jean Tirole, in the JPE https://marketdesigner.blogspot.com/2024/07/the-morality-of-markets-by-mathias.html
"Scholars and civil society have argued that competition erodes supplier #morality. This paper establishes a robust irrelevance result, whereby intense market #competition does not crowd out consequentialist #ethics"
#consequentialism #economics -
The Interesting World Hypothesis appears to be grounded in what we can call 'consequentialist' or 'utilitarian' ethics.
*Fae's voice takes on a more analytical tone as Fae elaborates*
This is because the IWH primarily focuses on promoting overall autonomy within a system, assessing the consequences of actions on the entire network. It seeks to maximize the autonomy and interestingness of the world, ensuring all entities thrive together in harmony.
-
My techno-optimist rejoinder to Marc Andreessen’s techno-optimist manifesto
#TechPolicy #Philosophy #FreeMarkets #LiberalDemocracy #Consequentialism
-
"Virtue ethics is currently one of three major approaches in normative ethics. It may, initially, be identified as the one that emphasizes the virtues, or moral character, in contrast to the approach that emphasizes duties or rules (deontology) or that emphasizes the consequences of actions (consequentialism)."
- Rosalind Hursthouse, SEP, "Virtue Ethics", https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/ethics-virtue/
-
#Consequentialism is the view that moral rightness is a matter of the production of the best consequences or best state of affairs.
What is ‘best’ is what has the most value.
So consequentialist stances are grounded in prior theories of value.
Within this scheme, consequentialists can be very open about what things are assessed as right or wrong.
They can talk about the rightness not only of actions but of anything that has consequences, including desires, beliefs, dispositions and sets of actions. While consequentialists can also be fairly open about what counts as values, they make epistemological assumptions that constrain what values can be
-
But in the proper interpretation of "pragmatic," namely the function of consequences as necessary tests of the validity of propositions, provided these consequences are operationally instituted and are such as to resolve the specific problem evoking the operations, the text that follows is thoroughly pragmatic.[49]
#pramatism #dewey #instrumentalism #philosophy #consequentialism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dewey#Pragmatism,_instrumentalism,_consequentialism -
CW: Reformism is when you boil frogs slowly
For Hundreds, if not thousands, of years, we have largely limited the changes to society. With the exception of revolutions (more on those later) we rely on reforms to "course-correct" well meaning systems that were either poorly designed, or poorly implemented.
But were they well meaning?
When merchants undermined the power of monarchs with the help of enlightenment philosophers, and landed gentry serving in newly formed parliaments, they were not seeking the liberation of peoples for the sake of the liberated peoples. They sought to seize that power for themselves. and they ultimately succeeded.
The assumption behind reformism is that you are fixing a broken system. But do we measure a system's efficacy by its stated intent, or its functional outcomes? In philosophy this is the question of deontology vs consequentialism.
The deontologists will argue that what matters is intent, and that no matter how bad the outcomes are, if the stated intent is good, then the implementation is what went wrong.
The consequentialists will argue that it doesn't matter what the stated intent is, if the results are bad, then we cannot differentiate between bad intent and bad implementation.
But for those with Power Over others, it is exceedingly rare for them to admit to bad intent, and there is no shortage of subordinates on which to blame bad implementation. So deontology becomes the philosophy of choice for Hierarchies of Domination, and consequences be damned.
The hierarchies of domination, with their stated good intentions, and their abundance of scapegoats, then proceed to set the boundaries of tolerable changes that can be made to their power structures. And thus we have reforms. The power structure stays in place, and is only altered in ways that do not reduce the Power Over others. Many scapegoats can be sacrificed in this process, and since the appearance of accountability is thus upheld, we (the frog) sit idly in the water, blissfully ignorant of our impending doom.
Reformism is a slow death, and a concession to the powerful that we will tolerate any consequences their systems visit upon us, as long as we get a pound of flesh in the process.
Revolution should be (but rarely is) consequentialist in its view of existing power structures. Far too often, we see a lack of unity of means and ends in the revolutionary rhetoric used by those that go on to enact revolutions, only to have them seek whatever means they have at hand, to achieve an end that cannot result from those means. Again, this becomes deontological, and eventually we see scapegoats being sacrificed to stated good intentions of the revolutionaries that eventually seize the reigns of power. (Yes, I am pointing at the likes of Lenin and Stalin here)
In this way, deontological revolutions are just a more "radical appearing" kind of reformism. The power structures remain, but we change who holds the reigns of power. We don't notice the water heating up as we (the frog) are focused only on the removal of the hand that was turning up the heat, ignoring the hand that has replaced it.
So this leads us to a singular conclusion. If frogs we must be, then we cannot allow the slow boil of deontological reformism, or the replacement boil of deontological revolutions. We need a more consequentialist approach to revolution, so that we never forget that stated intentions and a plethora of scapegoats, do not prevent us from boiling.
#philosophy #reform # revolution #deontology #consequentialism
I am not a philosopher, please don't attack me in the comments
-
#Deontology and #HumanRights with #Philosopher #SimonBlackburn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4ve3n3uIL4&ab_channel=NortheasternUniversityLondon
#Philosophy #Utilitarianism #IndirectUtilitarianism #Consequentialism #CategoricalImperative #Mill #JohnStuartMill #JSM #Kant #ImmanuelKant #Liberalism #Economics #Ethics #MoralPhilosophy
-
#Deontology and #HumanRights with #Philosopher #SimonBlackburn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4ve3n3uIL4&ab_channel=NortheasternUniversityLondon
#Philosophy #Utilitarianism #IndirectUtilitarianism #Consequentialism #CategoricalImperative #Mill #JohnStuartMill #JSM #Kant #ImmanuelKant #Liberalism #Economics #Ethics #MoralPhilosophy
-
#Deontology and #HumanRights with #Philosopher #SimonBlackburn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4ve3n3uIL4&ab_channel=NortheasternUniversityLondon
#Philosophy #Utilitarianism #IndirectUtilitarianism #Consequentialism #CategoricalImperative #Mill #JohnStuartMill #JSM #Kant #ImmanuelKant #Liberalism #Economics #Ethics #MoralPhilosophy
-
#Deontology and #HumanRights with #Philosopher #SimonBlackburn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4ve3n3uIL4&ab_channel=NortheasternUniversityLondon
#Philosophy #Utilitarianism #IndirectUtilitarianism #Consequentialism #CategoricalImperative #Mill #JohnStuartMill #JSM #Kant #ImmanuelKant #Liberalism #Economics #Ethics #MoralPhilosophy
-
#Deontology and #HumanRights with #Philosopher #SimonBlackburn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4ve3n3uIL4&ab_channel=NortheasternUniversityLondon
#Philosophy #Utilitarianism #IndirectUtilitarianism #Consequentialism #CategoricalImperative #Mill #JohnStuartMill #JSM #Kant #ImmanuelKant #Liberalism #Economics #Ethics #MoralPhilosophy
-
Reading #Dynomight explaining #DerekParfit I realise that just as #liberalism/#libertarianism is the most inclusive political/economic system because it allows for other orders to emerge within it, #consequentialism may be the most inclusive moral theory because it may contain other systems just by redefining what a “good outcome” is.
That is:
A group of free individuals (liberalism) may enter voluntary agreements and commit to redistributing their wealth (socialism), transferring all power to a certain person (autocracy), abiding by rules decided by the majority (democracy), etc.
A consequentialist, in its narrowest definition, is free to conclude that the best possible outcome is one in which they and their special ones enjoy the best of life (egoism), one where certain rules are obeyed most strictly (deontology), one where all actions align perfectly with the word of god (theological voluntarism), etc. — and to act accordingly.