#technate — Public Fediverse posts
Live and recent posts from across the Fediverse tagged #technate, aggregated by home.social.
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"I’m in this really lucky position where I get to wake up every day and help "serve" :joy_minions: more than a billion people. And I feel like I’m not doing my job if I spend any of my energy on things that are silly or frivolous about my life, so that way I can dedicate all of my energy towards just building the best products and services." - The Zuck
#cringe #technocrat #technocracy #technate #facebook #zuckerberg #tech #meta #ceo
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"I’m in this really lucky position where I get to wake up every day and help "serve" :joy_minions: more than a billion people. And I feel like I’m not doing my job if I spend any of my energy on things that are silly or frivolous about my life, so that way I can dedicate all of my energy towards just building the best products and services." - The Zuck
#cringe #technocrat #technocracy #technate #facebook #zuckerberg #tech #meta #ceo
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@bestforbritain.org Thing is, if America builds it's Technate which is the plan of its elite, then there is no US-UK special relationship in that, also by design the US will cut off #eu ( other than for the purposes of vassalage ) it makes sense for EU-UK to combine resources, even if just to ensure they aren't picked to bits by superpower vultures.
Deepening UK ties with US as per #reformuk , makes no sense since US primary objective is the #technate which it cuts off #uk
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@bestforbritain.org Thing is, if America builds it's Technate which is the plan of its elite, then there is no US-UK special relationship in that, also by design the US will cut off #eu ( other than for the purposes of vassalage ) it makes sense for EU-UK to combine resources, even if just to ensure they aren't picked to bits by superpower vultures.
Deepening UK ties with US as per #reformuk , makes no sense since US primary objective is the #technate which it cuts off #uk
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This guy actually gets it. Watch and learn!
https://bsky.app/profile/iwillnotbesilenced.bsky.social/post/3mkg4zg5upk2b
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This guy actually gets it. Watch and learn!
https://bsky.app/profile/iwillnotbesilenced.bsky.social/post/3mkg4zg5upk2b
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@AlisonCreekside
Thanks for asking! What you describe is an almost amusing (if it weren't so terrible) perversion of real characteristics of Technocracy. The idea is a threat to the powers that be and thus has come under attack in many ways, slander and libel being popular ones. Although to be fair, I suppose that what you read/heard was just a wildly bad interpretation from someone who hadn't looked at the idea too closely. 🤷To clarify, the US, Canada, and Mexico are all supposed to join together voluntarily. It's not a dictatorship, quite the opposite in fact. The new country needs to be completely self-sufficient in terms of resources, but not isolationist. Not only would self-sufficiency allow us to no longer need to interfere in the affairs of other nations, we would be in a position to offer genuine help where it was needed, no strings attached.
Other countries from Central and South America were to be invited mostly for maximum protection, but that was more of a suggestion during wartimes.
Lastly, there would be no expelling of "foreigners" because Technocracy does not discriminate against anyone, by race, sex, religion, orientation, etc. simply because there is no scientific basis to do so. The only scientific way to define a "foreigner" would be to expel *all* humans from the continent, regardless of race or origin.
I hope that clears up things for you. If not, feel free to ask.
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@AlisonCreekside
Thanks for asking! What you describe is an almost amusing (if it weren't so terrible) perversion of real characteristics of Technocracy. The idea is a threat to the powers that be and thus has come under attack in many ways, slander and libel being popular ones. Although to be fair, I suppose that what you read/heard was just a wildly bad interpretation from someone who hadn't looked at the idea too closely. 🤷To clarify, the US, Canada, and Mexico are all supposed to join together voluntarily. It's not a dictatorship, quite the opposite in fact. The new country needs to be completely self-sufficient in terms of resources, but not isolationist. Not only would self-sufficiency allow us to no longer need to interfere in the affairs of other nations, we would be in a position to offer genuine help where it was needed, no strings attached.
Other countries from Central and South America were to be invited mostly for maximum protection, but that was more of a suggestion during wartimes.
Lastly, there would be no expelling of "foreigners" because Technocracy does not discriminate against anyone, by race, sex, religion, orientation, etc. simply because there is no scientific basis to do so. The only scientific way to define a "foreigner" would be to expel *all* humans from the continent, regardless of race or origin.
I hope that clears up things for you. If not, feel free to ask.
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@isaackuo @GhostOnTheHalfShell @gerrymcgovern
Howard Scott's Technocracy has been talking about it for nearly a century now. They told us this collapse is coming, why, and what to do about it. And for a while it was working; Technocracy was the biggest social movement of the 30s and 40s. But since it would mean an end to political power and money, of course the rich and powerful have done everything they can to end it. Silence it, bribe it, demonize it (why "technocracy" is a dirty word today and means something totally different), and just as mentioned elsewhere, drown it out and keep people distracted.I still think that it's our best hope though. Get rid of the problems at their source and start something new, something designed from the start to benefit everyone. No inequality, no discrimination, no nonsense.
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@isaackuo @GhostOnTheHalfShell @gerrymcgovern
Howard Scott's Technocracy has been talking about it for nearly a century now. They told us this collapse is coming, why, and what to do about it. And for a while it was working; Technocracy was the biggest social movement of the 30s and 40s. But since it would mean an end to political power and money, of course the rich and powerful have done everything they can to end it. Silence it, bribe it, demonize it (why "technocracy" is a dirty word today and means something totally different), and just as mentioned elsewhere, drown it out and keep people distracted.I still think that it's our best hope though. Get rid of the problems at their source and start something new, something designed from the start to benefit everyone. No inequality, no discrimination, no nonsense.
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@KinocKayfar @muminitaly @LordCaramac @gerrymcgovern @ReggieHere @chikl
You are absolutely right about what you say in your second and third paragraph there. And the best part is that such a plan has already been designed. It is called Technocracy and was designed specifically because North America at the time (about a century ago) had become able to produce an abundance (i.e. post-scarcity). I'm sure that more areas would be able to do it today as well, such as Europe. All that's left is to get enough people informed about it so we can make it happen.
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@KinocKayfar @muminitaly @LordCaramac @gerrymcgovern @ReggieHere @chikl
You are absolutely right about what you say in your second and third paragraph there. And the best part is that such a plan has already been designed. It is called Technocracy and was designed specifically because North America at the time (about a century ago) had become able to produce an abundance (i.e. post-scarcity). I'm sure that more areas would be able to do it today as well, such as Europe. All that's left is to get enough people informed about it so we can make it happen.
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@simon_brooke
No, there is still some hope, it has just been well hidden.All these projections are based off of using scarcity based economic models. We still have it in our power to minimize the harm that's already been done. But to do so we need to do something that is conceptually radical, but not actually physically difficult. A plan has been available to deal with this problem specifically for nearly a century now, but it has been suppressed by those in power because it threatens their wealth and positions.
The plan is called Technocracy, and it does away with the main impediments to real change like money and politics. No more profit seeking CEOs and companies, no more power hungry politicians. And this is not simply because they will not be allowed, but the very structure of this new system provides no mechanism for them to exist.
What is left is a system optimized to utilise our existing technology and resources to accomplish just two things: 1) to provide every citizen with the highest standard of living possible, and 2) to do so for the longest period possible. That second requirement means that sustainability is built in at every level. Nothing gets done unless it means no damage to the environment.
And all this doesn't even require any big reduction in the overall standard of living either. The efficiencies possible once the impediments of money and politics are gone are astounding. Really, it's almost as though the current system was designed to be as inefficient and harmful to the environment as possible. But it doesn't have to be that way provided we are willing to get to the root cause of the problem and cut it out.
Yes, we can't stop climate change suddenly and instantly reverse it, more damage will still be done from just the momentum. But we can stop contributing to it pretty quickly, minimizing the damage and letting things begin to sort out much sooner. Which means far fewer people will die, and those that live will be far less uncomfortable.
But there is a lot to this plan, certainly more than one can put in any social media post or even thread, but that's because it has been well thought out. Big claims require big evidence, but it is there if you're willing to take the time to examine it.
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@simon_brooke
No, there is still some hope, it has just been well hidden.All these projections are based off of using scarcity based economic models. We still have it in our power to minimize the harm that's already been done. But to do so we need to do something that is conceptually radical, but not actually physically difficult. A plan has been available to deal with this problem specifically for nearly a century now, but it has been suppressed by those in power because it threatens their wealth and positions.
The plan is called Technocracy, and it does away with the main impediments to real change like money and politics. No more profit seeking CEOs and companies, no more power hungry politicians. And this is not simply because they will not be allowed, but the very structure of this new system provides no mechanism for them to exist.
What is left is a system optimized to utilise our existing technology and resources to accomplish just two things: 1) to provide every citizen with the highest standard of living possible, and 2) to do so for the longest period possible. That second requirement means that sustainability is built in at every level. Nothing gets done unless it means no damage to the environment.
And all this doesn't even require any big reduction in the overall standard of living either. The efficiencies possible once the impediments of money and politics are gone are astounding. Really, it's almost as though the current system was designed to be as inefficient and harmful to the environment as possible. But it doesn't have to be that way provided we are willing to get to the root cause of the problem and cut it out.
Yes, we can't stop climate change suddenly and instantly reverse it, more damage will still be done from just the momentum. But we can stop contributing to it pretty quickly, minimizing the damage and letting things begin to sort out much sooner. Which means far fewer people will die, and those that live will be far less uncomfortable.
But there is a lot to this plan, certainly more than one can put in any social media post or even thread, but that's because it has been well thought out. Big claims require big evidence, but it is there if you're willing to take the time to examine it.
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@CodexArcanum @stux
That's why we need to change to an economic model that does away with money and the whole scarcity mindset. Otherwise it will always be there to hold us back. Technocracy is one that does exactly what you say should be the default.
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@CodexArcanum @stux
That's why we need to change to an economic model that does away with money and the whole scarcity mindset. Otherwise it will always be there to hold us back. Technocracy is one that does exactly what you say should be the default.
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@drahardja
That's a perfectly valid conclusion given the information that most people have. But what most people aren't aware of is the research done by a group called the Technical Alliance, and the design they developed based on that research. It's entirely based on science, not philosophy or ideology, and certainly takes human nature and behavior into account. And it's based on what you said about how the benefits of technology and automation should be for all of us.
There's a lot to it, but this website is a good starting point:
https://www.technate.org/tiki-index.php?page=Begin
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@drahardja
That's a perfectly valid conclusion given the information that most people have. But what most people aren't aware of is the research done by a group called the Technical Alliance, and the design they developed based on that research. It's entirely based on science, not philosophy or ideology, and certainly takes human nature and behavior into account. And it's based on what you said about how the benefits of technology and automation should be for all of us.
There's a lot to it, but this website is a good starting point:
https://www.technate.org/tiki-index.php?page=Begin
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@kusuriya @earthshine
Replicators and warp drive aside, we could have had a Star Trek style economy for nearly a century now. All we need is for enough people to be aware of it to make it happen.
https://www.technate.org/tiki-index.php?page=Begin
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@kusuriya @earthshine
Replicators and warp drive aside, we could have had a Star Trek style economy for nearly a century now. All we need is for enough people to be aware of it to make it happen.
https://www.technate.org/tiki-index.php?page=Begin
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@MrLee
AI is not going to give us this kind of world you describe, where people are freed from work to pursue their lives and interests. Even putting aside all the problems with modern LLMs, the reason is because we could have had this kind of society now for nearly a century already, just through automation that already exists. But we don't have it, and most people haven't even heard that it is an option. Why? Because it would destroy the structures that keep the rich & powerful, rich & powerful.What we need to achieve this is a more fundamental change than simply a better or 'real' democracy. The problems run much deeper than simply enacting new laws. The scientists who first devised this kind of future figured out exactly what we must do, and it is described here: https://www.technate.org/tiki-index.php?page=Begin
The best thing we can do democratically is to learn about this system and employ it, because no one is going to do it for us, no government, no savior.
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@MrLee
AI is not going to give us this kind of world you describe, where people are freed from work to pursue their lives and interests. Even putting aside all the problems with modern LLMs, the reason is because we could have had this kind of society now for nearly a century already, just through automation that already exists. But we don't have it, and most people haven't even heard that it is an option. Why? Because it would destroy the structures that keep the rich & powerful, rich & powerful.What we need to achieve this is a more fundamental change than simply a better or 'real' democracy. The problems run much deeper than simply enacting new laws. The scientists who first devised this kind of future figured out exactly what we must do, and it is described here: https://www.technate.org/tiki-index.php?page=Begin
The best thing we can do democratically is to learn about this system and employ it, because no one is going to do it for us, no government, no savior.
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@hosford42
I absolutely agree that the root of the problem is an economic one, and things must be dealt with there in order to be properly fixed. However I don't think that we can reform the market system in a way that will prevent this from happening again. I think that as long as we use a money based system, people will find ways to accumulate it, as well as use it to subvert any laws we enact to prevent it. That's how we got here in the first place. It would only be making things a little better for a little while.But even if we could do that, our troubles are deeper than that. Because we have long been capable of producing a much higher standard of living for everyone, but continuing to use a scarcity-based economic system, not only have we been simply keeping most people poorer than they need to be, but we have been wasting massive amounts of resources in doing so, resulting in the environmental degradation we are seeing the results of everywhere. We have to ditch the outdated system that is creating artificial scarcity by its very nature and employ a modern, scientific system that was designed for this very problem, that has both sustainability and efficiency built right in. Howard Scott's Technocracy is such a system: https://www.technate.org/tiki-index.php?page=IB28
The result would be no more environmental degradation (by whatever countries use this anyway), no rich or poor classes, a much higher standard of living for everyone, very little work needed to produce that standard of living, and much more.
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@hosford42
I absolutely agree that the root of the problem is an economic one, and things must be dealt with there in order to be properly fixed. However I don't think that we can reform the market system in a way that will prevent this from happening again. I think that as long as we use a money based system, people will find ways to accumulate it, as well as use it to subvert any laws we enact to prevent it. That's how we got here in the first place. It would only be making things a little better for a little while.But even if we could do that, our troubles are deeper than that. Because we have long been capable of producing a much higher standard of living for everyone, but continuing to use a scarcity-based economic system, not only have we been simply keeping most people poorer than they need to be, but we have been wasting massive amounts of resources in doing so, resulting in the environmental degradation we are seeing the results of everywhere. We have to ditch the outdated system that is creating artificial scarcity by its very nature and employ a modern, scientific system that was designed for this very problem, that has both sustainability and efficiency built right in. Howard Scott's Technocracy is such a system: https://www.technate.org/tiki-index.php?page=IB28
The result would be no more environmental degradation (by whatever countries use this anyway), no rich or poor classes, a much higher standard of living for everyone, very little work needed to produce that standard of living, and much more.
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@JeremyMallin
Yes, that is certainly what we deserve. However, while it may be theoretically possible to make every such entity non-profit, as long as money exists there will always be the temptation to find ways to circumvent and eventually change the laws to allow accumulation of profit again. We've already seen this happen. The Soviet Union made profit illegal, and backed it up with a brutal dictatorship, and it still succumbed to this temptation, changing the laws bit by bit until it became the kleptocracy it is now.What is needed is to change the rules of the game entirely, from a method of exchange to one of distribution. That would make accumulation of wealth require physical effort, and thus greatly reduce how much can be done. Combine that with a post-scarcity society (yes, we can do that today, and have been able to for nearly a century now), and the motivation to do this virtually disappears.
Fortunately, we have such a system already developed, one that takes into consideration all the problems one might think of having read just what I've written above: https://www.technate.org/tiki-index.php?page=Begin
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@JeremyMallin
Yes, that is certainly what we deserve. However, while it may be theoretically possible to make every such entity non-profit, as long as money exists there will always be the temptation to find ways to circumvent and eventually change the laws to allow accumulation of profit again. We've already seen this happen. The Soviet Union made profit illegal, and backed it up with a brutal dictatorship, and it still succumbed to this temptation, changing the laws bit by bit until it became the kleptocracy it is now.What is needed is to change the rules of the game entirely, from a method of exchange to one of distribution. That would make accumulation of wealth require physical effort, and thus greatly reduce how much can be done. Combine that with a post-scarcity society (yes, we can do that today, and have been able to for nearly a century now), and the motivation to do this virtually disappears.
Fortunately, we have such a system already developed, one that takes into consideration all the problems one might think of having read just what I've written above: https://www.technate.org/tiki-index.php?page=Begin
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@obtener
Inexcusable since America has had the resources and technology to provide all of its citizens with a high standard of living for about a century now.
https://www.technate.org/tiki-index.php?page=IB28
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@obtener
Inexcusable since America has had the resources and technology to provide all of its citizens with a high standard of living for about a century now.
https://www.technate.org/tiki-index.php?page=IB28
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@jessta @MorpheusB @MrLee
This sounds more like you're describing Howard Scott's Technocracy. In that system, the efficiency of all production and services is maximized in order to give everyone the highest standard of living possible, while as the same time freeing them from any work that they don't want to do by breaking the link between labor and that standard of living. So just like you said, everyone gets the best possible housing, health care, education, etc., because we are more than capable of it, and have been for a while now.
https://www.technate.org/tiki-index.php?page=Begin
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@jessta @MorpheusB @MrLee
This sounds more like you're describing Howard Scott's Technocracy. In that system, the efficiency of all production and services is maximized in order to give everyone the highest standard of living possible, while as the same time freeing them from any work that they don't want to do by breaking the link between labor and that standard of living. So just like you said, everyone gets the best possible housing, health care, education, etc., because we are more than capable of it, and have been for a while now.
https://www.technate.org/tiki-index.php?page=Begin
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@ubi4me
Your first paragraph basically describes Howard Scott's Technocracy, which we could have had for almost a century now. Instead, we have a society that is using technology in almost all the wrong ways, like AI (as you show here). But this idea can't happen until enough people know about it (that really is the only thing holding us back), so until then, UBI would be a big help to almost everybody until we can get that going.Plus I think that it would help demonstrate the idea that investing in people beforehand without expecting anything in return actually gives a greater "return on investment" (in the general sense, not just profits) than making them have to pay for the things they need to be able to thrive. This idea is integral to Technocracy.
https://www.technate.org/tiki-index.php?page=Begin
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@ubi4me
Your first paragraph basically describes Howard Scott's Technocracy, which we could have had for almost a century now. Instead, we have a society that is using technology in almost all the wrong ways, like AI (as you show here). But this idea can't happen until enough people know about it (that really is the only thing holding us back), so until then, UBI would be a big help to almost everybody until we can get that going.Plus I think that it would help demonstrate the idea that investing in people beforehand without expecting anything in return actually gives a greater "return on investment" (in the general sense, not just profits) than making them have to pay for the things they need to be able to thrive. This idea is integral to Technocracy.
https://www.technate.org/tiki-index.php?page=Begin
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@bixfrankonis
A big part of the sadness of the situation is that--at least in North America and possibly elsewhere--we have the technology and resources to provide *everyone* with a high standard of living, regardless of contribution, all while making work as we know it virtually obsolete. And it wouldn't even be hard to do. It wouldn't require AI, or nanotechnology, or even humanoid robots. In fact we could have had it decades ago. Our biggest obstacle is just that most people don't know this.
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@bixfrankonis
A big part of the sadness of the situation is that--at least in North America and possibly elsewhere--we have the technology and resources to provide *everyone* with a high standard of living, regardless of contribution, all while making work as we know it virtually obsolete. And it wouldn't even be hard to do. It wouldn't require AI, or nanotechnology, or even humanoid robots. In fact we could have had it decades ago. Our biggest obstacle is just that most people don't know this.
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@DoomsdaysCW
It's important to keep in mind that these people didn't create the problem, it has existed long before them. The people in power were shown a long time ago that it's the system that doesn't work, that it's due for a collapse and it will wreck the planet in so doing. They were given a choice, that the only way to avoid this was to accept radical changes in how our society works, adopt a sustainable, resource-based economy where everyone shared equally in that wealth. But what they didn't like about this option is that there would be no room for the rich and powerful, because money would be useless and politics would become obsolete. They'd have to give up everything they were raised to believe that they were entitled to.So what did they do? Some stuck their head in the sand and tried to pretend that it wasn't true. Others, like FDR, tried to find a gentler, less radical solution, but he died before he could fully implement it. But then there were others, who realized that this was a shrinking/sinking hill and they wanted to make sure that sure that they were on top of it. So they doubled down on it. At first they tried to do this quietly, using propaganda and suffocating education to make it easier to do in the long run. Now, we're seeing the plan go full steam ahead. Why now I'm not sure, I can only speculate. But it does mean that we have less time than ever to choose a different path, that one we had so long ago, because the longer we wait the more costly it will be, and the less resources we'll have to pull it off. So there will come a point when we won't have the resources to make this choice anymore, and it'll be disaster for the entire human race, and the rest of the planet too.
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CW: This is all a bit dark, but there's still hope.
@DoomsdaysCW
It's important to keep in mind that these people didn't create the problem, it has existed long before them. The people in power were shown a long time ago that it's the system that doesn't work, that it's due for a collapse and it will wreck the planet in so doing. They were given a choice, that the only way to avoid this was to accept radical changes in how our society works, adopt a sustainable, resource-based economy where everyone shared equally in that wealth. But what they didn't like about this option is that there would be no room for the rich and powerful, because money would be useless and politics would become obsolete. They'd have to give up everything they were raised to believe that they were entitled to.So what did they do? Some stuck their head in the sand and tried to pretend that it wasn't true. Others, like FDR, tried to find a gentler, less radical solution, but he died before he could fully implement it. But then there were others, who realized that this was a shrinking/sinking hill and they wanted to make sure that sure that they were on top of it. So they doubled down on it. At first they tried to do this quietly, using propaganda and suffocating education to make it easier to do in the long run. Now, we're seeing the plan go full steam ahead. Why now I'm not sure, I can only speculate. But it does mean that we have less time than ever to choose a different path, that one we had so long ago, because the longer we wait the more costly it will be, and the less resources we'll have to pull it off. So there will come a point when we won't have the resources to make this choice anymore, and it'll be disaster for the entire human race, and the rest of the planet too.
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@dave
I'll have to give this a look. I originally learned about this topic from Howard Scott's Technocracy, written about almost 100 years ago.
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@dave
I'll have to give this a look. I originally learned about this topic from Howard Scott's Technocracy, written about almost 100 years ago.
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@punishmenthurts
Democracy as it is set up does not work the way that most people would like it to. And even if it was, it still wouldn't be the best way of running things. Our civilization has become too complicated to be run by popularity contests and lawyers, and the stakes are too high (e.g. the climate, wars, current US situation, etc.).I liken it to being a teenager. A teenager has the powers of an adult (driving, drinking, sex, etc.), but still the mentality of a child. A child can only do so much damage, but an adult can do a lot more. That power wielded irresponsibly can be devastating.
So it is with our society. We're still running things like it is centuries ago, but our ability to harm and destroy is orders of magnitude higher than it's ever been. We need to grow up and take responsibility for the powers we've been granted (science and technology), let go of our childish past (i.e. politics and money), and start acting like the rational beings we are capable of being.
But despite this I still vote. It's the choosing the lesser of evils, trying to slow down the decline as much as possible to give us more time to properly fix things, while we still can.
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@punishmenthurts
Democracy as it is set up does not work the way that most people would like it to. And even if it was, it still wouldn't be the best way of running things. Our civilization has become too complicated to be run by popularity contests and lawyers, and the stakes are too high (e.g. the climate, wars, current US situation, etc.).I liken it to being a teenager. A teenager has the powers of an adult (driving, drinking, sex, etc.), but still the mentality of a child. A child can only do so much damage, but an adult can do a lot more. That power wielded irresponsibly can be devastating.
So it is with our society. We're still running things like it is centuries ago, but our ability to harm and destroy is orders of magnitude higher than it's ever been. We need to grow up and take responsibility for the powers we've been granted (science and technology), let go of our childish past (i.e. politics and money), and start acting like the rational beings we are capable of being.
But despite this I still vote. It's the choosing the lesser of evils, trying to slow down the decline as much as possible to give us more time to properly fix things, while we still can.
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@elaurian
And the fun irony is, that when you set up the system to value people intrinsically instead of for their contributions, many of them suddenly will be able to contribute more. 😲 -
@elaurian
And the fun irony is, that when you set up the system to value people intrinsically instead of for their contributions, many of them suddenly will be able to contribute more. 😲 -
@paco @Sheril
The problem is the system itself, because it promotes and rewards bad behaviour. You need to change the rules of the game so that better behaviour is allowed to thrive, and then we can let scientists and engineers do what they were trained to do. The best system I've found for that was devised by a team of top engineers, scientists and other experts of various fields called The Technical Alliance, and they called their system Technocracy, long before it's meaning was changed to what you may know it as now. They picked it because it means "rule by skill", in other words, get the politicians and business people out of the way and let the experts just do their thing of making people's lives better. More information here: https://www.technate.org
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@paco @Sheril
The problem is the system itself, because it promotes and rewards bad behaviour. You need to change the rules of the game so that better behaviour is allowed to thrive, and then we can let scientists and engineers do what they were trained to do. The best system I've found for that was devised by a team of top engineers, scientists and other experts of various fields called The Technical Alliance, and they called their system Technocracy, long before it's meaning was changed to what you may know it as now. They picked it because it means "rule by skill", in other words, get the politicians and business people out of the way and let the experts just do their thing of making people's lives better. More information here: https://www.technate.org
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"Mr. #Musk’s grandfather was also a flamboyant leader of the political movement known as #technocracy.
"Leading #technocrats proposed replacing democratically elected officials and civil servants — indeed, all of government — with an army of scientists and engineers under what they called a #technate. Some also wanted to annex Canada and Mexico."
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/04/opinion/elon-musk-doge-technocracy.html?unlocked_article_code=1.AE8.DkY0.xuUNqvaLaS8R&smid=url-share
#USpol #technosolutionism #oligarchy #TechBros #techOligarchs #FarRight #SiliconValleyRight #ElonMusk #JoshuaHaldeman -
"Mr. #Musk’s grandfather was also a flamboyant leader of the political movement known as #technocracy.
"Leading #technocrats proposed replacing democratically elected officials and civil servants — indeed, all of government — with an army of scientists and engineers under what they called a #technate. Some also wanted to annex Canada and Mexico."
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/04/opinion/elon-musk-doge-technocracy.html?unlocked_article_code=1.AE8.DkY0.xuUNqvaLaS8R&smid=url-share
#USpol #technosolutionism #oligarchy #TechBros #techOligarchs #FarRight #SiliconValleyRight #ElonMusk #JoshuaHaldeman -
Interesting read about Elon Musk’s technocracy movement and old map of USA from 1930.
https://nyheder.tv2.dk/udland/2025-03-17-et-92-aar-gammelt-kort-deles-igen-og-igen-i-usa?
Is this what Elon Musk is going for? 🧐
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Interesting read about Elon Musk’s technocracy movement and old map of USA from 1930.
https://nyheder.tv2.dk/udland/2025-03-17-et-92-aar-gammelt-kort-deles-igen-og-igen-i-usa?
Is this what Elon Musk is going for? 🧐
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Just going to hypothesize something here... for posterity and accountability to weird strategic thoughts I have when I try to channel this Musk creep. The tech-bro's have already taken over. That is why they are now sending the DOGE teams with armed escorts and guns to smash small offices of the government. Trump is the vindictive figurehead. It's the tech lords running the show, and they're going to do a deal with China to get rid of Putin.
🇨🇳 🇺🇸 🔀 🇷🇺
I'm open to the possibility of something beyond shocking happening. There have already been rumors of revaluing the gold at Fort Knox, restructuring the debt, a national cryptocurrency...
What about, a merger / joint venture with China and the US becomes a total one-party state, USA Inc. They'll leave the illusion of elections, and the Dems will continue to be the useful idiots as they have been for a decade.
The game is no longer Dem vs. Rep. There will be no normal midterms. The struggle at the top is between the Christian Nationalists, the technofascist (Nation State) crowd, and the MAGA base that Bannon leads. Think of Bannon's people as the brown shirts they'll eventually use to silence dissent.
Imagine a chip-access deal or some sort of organized takeover of Taiwan (stripping the island of its sovereignty in Trump fashion) over a set period of time for USA, Inc. to be able to scale semiconductor fabs.
The culture war is a distraction. The rich are stealing the future. :earth: :NoNazis: :ExtinctionRebellion: :NonCommercialUS:
#hypothetical #Technology #TechNate #Musk #thiel #Andreessen #Ellision #uspol #feudalism #technofeudalism #ai #solarpunk
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Just going to hypothesize something here... for posterity and accountability to weird strategic thoughts I have when I try to channel this Musk creep. The tech-bro's have already taken over. That is why they are now sending the DOGE teams with armed escorts and guns to smash small offices of the government. Trump is the vindictive figurehead. It's the tech lords running the show, and they're going to do a deal with China to get rid of Putin.
🇨🇳 🇺🇸 🔀 🇷🇺
I'm open to the possibility of something beyond shocking happening. There have already been rumors of revaluing the gold at Fort Knox, restructuring the debt, a national cryptocurrency...
What about, a merger / joint venture with China and the US becomes a total one-party state, USA Inc. They'll leave the illusion of elections, and the Dems will continue to be the useful idiots as they have been for a decade.
The game is no longer Dem vs. Rep. There will be no normal midterms. The struggle at the top is between the Christian Nationalists, the technofascist (Nation State) crowd, and the MAGA base that Bannon leads. Think of Bannon's people as the brown shirts they'll eventually use to silence dissent.
Imagine a chip-access deal or some sort of organized takeover of Taiwan (stripping the island of its sovereignty in Trump fashion) over a set period of time for USA, Inc. to be able to scale semiconductor fabs.
The culture war is a distraction. The rich are stealing the future. :earth: :NoNazis: :ExtinctionRebellion: :NonCommercialUS:
#hypothetical #Technology #TechNate #Musk #thiel #Andreessen #Ellision #uspol #feudalism #technofeudalism #ai #solarpunk
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@JustTooOdd
I think that anyone that's been following the Political Compass for the last 10 or more years could see this coming. Anyone familiar with what Technocracy (www.technate.org) has been saying for nearly a century would say that this was inevitable, without adopting a non-monetary economic system like Technocracy. The opportunity for changing course is closing fast. Democracy has proven unable to stop this kind of power grab, as we were warned it would be. Both this article and the Political Compass show that this is happening around the world, not just in the US. It is just the nature of the monetary Price System.
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@JustTooOdd
I think that anyone that's been following the Political Compass for the last 10 or more years could see this coming. Anyone familiar with what Technocracy (www.technate.org) has been saying for nearly a century would say that this was inevitable, without adopting a non-monetary economic system like Technocracy. The opportunity for changing course is closing fast. Democracy has proven unable to stop this kind of power grab, as we were warned it would be. Both this article and the Political Compass show that this is happening around the world, not just in the US. It is just the nature of the monetary Price System.
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@ned @The_Icarian
The only way to do that would be to get rid of the mechanism by which weath is accumulated and exchanged for anything, i.e. money, as well as eliminate the motivation to do so, such as providing a post-scarcity environment. Luckily, both of these are possible in North America (and possibly elsewhere) by using Technocracy: https://www.technate.org/tiki-index.php?page=Begin
The added benefit of this is that it also makes political government unnecessary, thus removing the other primary tool for removing people's rights. By comparison, in Technocracy, people's rights would be an objective part of how the system functions, built-in at the highest level. Any violation of such would be like a vital part of your car's engine being broken.
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@ned @The_Icarian
The only way to do that would be to get rid of the mechanism by which weath is accumulated and exchanged for anything, i.e. money, as well as eliminate the motivation to do so, such as providing a post-scarcity environment. Luckily, both of these are possible in North America (and possibly elsewhere) by using Technocracy: https://www.technate.org/tiki-index.php?page=Begin
The added benefit of this is that it also makes political government unnecessary, thus removing the other primary tool for removing people's rights. By comparison, in Technocracy, people's rights would be an objective part of how the system functions, built-in at the highest level. Any violation of such would be like a vital part of your car's engine being broken.
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@tedcurran @cpkimber
That sounded interesting to me until the part about lowtech. One path that was definitely not taken in history is Technocracy, which we could have done as early as the 1930s. It not only does away with capitalism and market economics, it does away with money, debt, even politics, and replaces them with a scientific economic system that gives everyone a high standard of living, and more freedom than we've ever had in history. Far from being lowtech however, it leverages technology for the maximum benefit of everyone. It is a very FOSS idea though.We still have a chance though. For more you can read my post on it here: https://autistics.life/@murdoc/113693052709257525 and/or this website: www.technate.org
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@tedcurran @cpkimber
That sounded interesting to me until the part about lowtech. One path that was definitely not taken in history is Technocracy, which we could have done as early as the 1930s. It not only does away with capitalism and market economics, it does away with money, debt, even politics, and replaces them with a scientific economic system that gives everyone a high standard of living, and more freedom than we've ever had in history. Far from being lowtech however, it leverages technology for the maximum benefit of everyone. It is a very FOSS idea though.We still have a chance though. For more you can read my post on it here: https://autistics.life/@murdoc/113693052709257525 and/or this website: www.technate.org
