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  1. #MissKittyPolitics No. #CLIMATE #Vance is dumber than GW #Bush. Somebody help me. And speaking of Bush, all of this old pining for the past just because he wasn't dropping bombs on you is really making me nauseous. He killed over a million people in #Iraq. Fuck Bush. Fuck the #GOP back to #Nixon.

    RE: https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:4llrhdclvdlmmynkwsmg5tdc/post/3muf7rqmjaw25

  2. Check out this clip from my conversation with James D Boys about how Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger utilized the Madman Theory in foreign diplomacy then check out the full episode to learn more! #history #POTUS #Nixon youtube.com/shorts/JqSoPjgp14o

  3. @ericschutte
    It's not just you.

    It's called "The Two Santa Claus Theory", and it's been around since #Nixon.

    youtube.com/watch?v=vDuzgE0CESc

  4. @VQuaschning
    Ehrlich gesagt, hat ein gewisser #Nixon, damals in den 70ern Präsident der #USA deutlich auf den bevorstehenden menschengemachten Klimawandel hingewiesen und die erste Klimaschutzorganisation gegründet. Huch?

  5. @rHAdlerin
    Der drohende #Klimawandel war schon #Nixon bekannt und er warnte ausdrücklich davor. Und wenn Sie schon die Politik so einbeziehen möchten, dann bitte über die Landesgrenzen hinaus. Deutschland steht in so manchem Vergleich gar nicht so schlecht da, und trotzdem gibt es Maulereien, weil ja die #Reiche den Zwang zu den erneuerbaren nicht ganz so mitgehen will. Wenn sie nur eine Sekunde in meine Vita geopfert hätten, und selbst so?
    @bernab @tagesschau @ThomasGross

  6. #OTD in 1974, Richard Nixon announced to the nation that he would resign as president. Check out this clip of my conversation with Laurence Jurdem about George H W Bush's respect for Nixon in spite of Watergate #history #Nixon #Bush #POTUS presidenciespodcast.com/the-hi

  7. “As I joked with Robert backstage, if #Watergate happened tomorrow, it would be like a 12-hour news story. Like, the idea that it would have taken down a presidency is crazy.”

    #jdvance #nixon #Corruption #WhoCares

  8. Discrimination Day: How a Classroom Stunt Trained Children to Obey and Called It Empathy

    At Brownell Elementary School in Lincoln, Nebraska, around 1973, my teachers ran a famous experiment on my class, and by the standard they set, I failed it. They split the room in two. The children with brown eyes were told they could command the children with blue eyes, and the blue-eyed children had to obey. I have grey eyes, so the teachers folded me in with the blue group, the way they folded in the hazel-eyed and anyone else who refused to fit the clean binary they wanted. For a day I watched classmates order other classmates to do push-ups, to fetch coats, to answer to the word "master." The teacher delivered the moral with a satisfied smile: "Now you know how it feels to be Black." We had, at most, one or two Black students in the entire school. […]

    bolesblogs.com/2026/06/18/disc

  9. Discrimination Day: How a Classroom Stunt Trained Children to Obey and Called It Empathy

    At Brownell Elementary School in Lincoln, Nebraska, around 1973, my teachers ran a famous experiment on my class, and by the standard they set, I failed it. They split the room in two. The children with brown eyes were told they could command the children with blue eyes, and the blue-eyed children had to obey. I have grey eyes, so the teachers folded me in with the blue group, the way they folded in the hazel-eyed and anyone else who refused to fit the clean binary they wanted. For a day I watched classmates order other classmates to do push-ups, to fetch coats, to answer to the word "master." The teacher delivered the moral with a satisfied smile: "Now you know how it feels to be Black." We had, at most, one or two Black students in the entire school. […]

    bolesblogs.com/2026/06/18/disc

  10. Discrimination Day: How a Classroom Stunt Trained Children to Obey and Called It Empathy

    At Brownell Elementary School in Lincoln, Nebraska, around 1973, my teachers ran a famous experiment on my class, and by the standard they set, I failed it. They split the room in two. The children with brown eyes were told they could command the children with blue eyes, and the blue-eyed children had to obey. I have grey eyes, so the teachers folded me in with the blue group, the way they folded in the hazel-eyed and anyone else who refused to fit the clean binary they wanted. For a day I watched classmates order other classmates to do push-ups, to fetch coats, to answer to the word "master." The teacher delivered the moral with a satisfied smile: "Now you know how it feels to be Black." We had, at most, one or two Black students in the entire school. […]

    bolesblogs.com/2026/06/18/disc

  11. Discrimination Day: How a Classroom Stunt Trained Children to Obey and Called It Empathy

    At Brownell Elementary School in Lincoln, Nebraska, around 1973, my teachers ran a famous experiment on my class, and by the standard they set, I failed it. They split the room in two. The children with brown eyes were told they could command the children with blue eyes, and the blue-eyed children had to obey. I have grey eyes, so the teachers folded me in with the blue group, the way they folded in the hazel-eyed and anyone else who refused to fit the clean binary they wanted. For a day I watched classmates order other classmates to do push-ups, to fetch coats, to answer to the word "master." The teacher delivered the moral with a satisfied smile: "Now you know how it feels to be Black." We had, at most, one or two Black students in the entire school. […]

    bolesblogs.com/2026/06/18/disc

  12. @DrALJONES Fun fact: You can avoid the ‘#Vietnam syndrome’ easily: Just #BeLikeCanada , eh!

    After Pierre Trudeau refused to support the #VietnamWar , #Nixon called him an “asshole”. Trudeau famously responded “I’ve been called worse things by better people.”

    This ‘#Canada effect’ is long-lasting, too!

    When Jean Crétien was Prime Minister, he sent #Canadian troops to #Afghanistan (#NATO Article 5) but told #GeorgeWBush to ‘pound sand’ in #Iraq with his bloody #WarForOil. 💪 🇨🇦

  13. @DrALJONES Fun fact: You can avoid the ‘#Vietnam syndrome’ easily: Just #BeLikeCanada , eh!

    After Pierre Trudeau refused to support the #VietnamWar , #Nixon called him an “asshole”. Trudeau famously responded “I’ve been called worse things by better people.”

    This ‘#Canada effect’ is long-lasting, too!

    When Jean Crétien was Prime Minister, he sent #Canadian troops to #Afghanistan (#NATO Article 5) but told #GeorgeWBush to ‘pound sand’ in #Iraq with his bloody #WarForOil. 💪 🇨🇦

  14. 4 dead in Ohio

    May 4, 1970 ... John Filo‘s Pulitzer Prize-winning photograph of Mary Ann Vecchio, a 14-year-old runaway kneeling over the body of Jeffrey Miller minutes after he was shot by the Ohio National Guard … it's seared into my memory. #kentstate #CSNY #nixon #theknife #turntostone #70s #music #musicsky #musiciansky #rockmusic #jasonisbell #davidcrosby #joewalsh #genesis

    robinbannks.com/2026/05/04/4-d

  15. Hype of the Future 162/284: City of Nixon, Texas

    Overview The City of Nixon is a community along Route 87 and Texas State Highway 80 located at the junction of Karnes, Wilson, and Gonzales Counties. Today, the community is self-described interestingly as a “compact neighborhood” instead.

    novatopflex.wordpress.com/2026

  16. The "mood of the #nation," in 1972, was so overwhelmingly #vengeful, #greedy, #bigoted, and blindly #reactionary that no presidential candidate who even faintly reminded "typical #voters" of the #fear & #anxiety they'd felt during the constant "social upheavals" of the 1960s had any chance at all of beating #Nixon last year--not even #TedKennedy...

    Hunter S. Thompson, Fear and Loathing: On the Campaign Trail '72

    #quote #quotes #1970s

  17. #Hanna says that the #recordings reveal that #Nixon was “not a true believer” in the #drugwar, despite being among its chief architects.

    Warum startete Nixon den #warondrugs und warum wurde parallel die Golddeckung für die US-Währung aufgehoben❓ Wer kennt die Hintergründe und kann es mir in einfachen Worten erklären? 😀

    norml.org/blog/2024/09/16/newl

    #Cannabis #Geldwäsche #FinCENFiles #Faschismus #OrganisierteKriminalität #Parallelsysteme #Steueroasen #SystemProhibition #Drogenkrieg #CSU #CDU #SPD

  18. 🌻 NIXON vs 🧙‍♂️ #THORSTENFREI 📡 💥 ⛹️‍♂️

    mastodon.social/@Karl_Theodor/

    Worüber in 🇩🇪 der #CSU #CDU ⛔️️️️️ ⛔️️️️️ ⛔️️️️️ nicht 🙈 🙉 🙊 gesprochen werden darf ❓️️️️️

    🌱 ❗️️️️️ Auch im ⛪️️️️️ #KonradAdenauer Haus 🌱 ❓️️️️️ 🚫 #CANNABIS 🚫 #HANF 🚫 #HEMP 🚫 #WARONDRUGS ... 📟️️ #Nixon sagte Cannabis sei 🌹 ungefährlich! 😂 🙄 😄 🫢

    mastodon.social/@Karl_Theodor/

  19. 🌻 NIXON vs 🧙‍♂️ #THORSTENFREI 📡 💥 ⛹️‍♂️

    mastodon.social/@Karl_Theodor/

    Worüber in 🇩🇪 der #CSU #CDU ⛔️️️️ ⛔️️️️ ⛔️️️️ nicht 🙈 🙉 🙊 gesprochen werden darf ❓️️️️

    🌱 ❗️️️️ Auch im ⛪️️️️ #KonradAdenauer Haus 🌱 ❓️️️️ 🚫 #CANNABIS 🚫 #HANF 🚫 #HEMP 🚫 #WARONDRUGS ... 📟️ #Nixon sagte Cannabis sei 🌹 ungefährlich! 😂 🙄 😄 🫢

  20. Play for pay is how #republicans "govern"

    The #gop is utterly 100% corrupt from top to bottom

    #nixon #reagan #bush #trump #corruption #congress #state #local

    It's an #organized #crime #network and has been for generations

    Folks become #republican #politicians to enrich themselves, families and their pals

  21. 30 years from now: this our next #Trump? This our next #Nixon? This our next #Hoover? Our next #Bush? Our next #Buchanan? Lacking judgement? Intellect? Or sophisticated agent of the Oligarchy! My #dems, Donald has 52% of American people behind them? Focus on humans! Congratulations fascista! Be better #dems you loser #boomers. #Uspol Fucked, unaware, propagandized #republinazi people behind #deportation. Your ass: unwiped:-) A global win! Dumbass is a human constant! Hate your fellows? #fafo

  22. #Wikipedia: " 'Tin soldiers and Nixon coming' refers to the #KentState shootings, where Ohio #NationalGuard officers shot and killed four students during a #protest against the #VietnamWar. Crosby once stated that Young keeping #Nixon's name in the lyrics was 'the bravest thing I ever heard.' "

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohio_(Cr

    #KentStateMassacre #NationalGuard #KentStateShooting #AntiWar #Protests #Resistance

  23. In his book “Our Vietnam: The War 1954–1975,” U.S. journalist A.J. Langguth says that despite Kissinger’s protestations for Tho to be quiet, during one session of the talks he shouted at Kissinger for over an hour:

    “For more than ten years, America has used violence to beat down the Vietnamese people-napalm, B-52s. But you don’t draw any lessons from your failures. You continue the same policy. Ngu xuan! Ngu xuan! Ngu xuan!”

    The translator refused to tell Kissinger what Ngu xuan meant (massively stupid) for fear of causing offence.

    Luu Van Loi, who was with Tho at the conference as a member of the negotiating team, wasn’t happy with #Kissinger either. “Kissinger was dodgy; he always brought up irrelevant matters at the start of meetings, and only mentioned the important stuff out for discussion at night. He must have thought that the old Le Duc Tho was sleepy and tired. But he knew nothing about Tho! The longer the negotiation went, the more alert Tho got.”

    Kissinger seemed to agree with Luu Van Loi when he expressed his astonishment: “Sometimes he talked for hours straight. I said, ‘I’ve heard this countless times,’ but Tho responded ‘You’ve heard it countless times but you haven’t remembered it, let me repeat…’”

    Thọ told Kissinger at their first meeting that "Vietnamization" was doomed, dismissively saying in French: "Previously, with over one million U.S and Saigon troops, you have failed. Now how can you win if you let the South Vietnamese Army fight alone and if you only give them military support?"

    In April 1970, Thọ broke off his meetings with Kissinger, saying that there was nothing to discuss. An attempt by Kissinger to talk to Thọ again in May 1970 was rejected with a note reading "The U.S. words of peace are just empty ones"

    In July 1971, Kissinger taunted Thọ with news that President #Nixon would be visiting China soon to meet #MaoZedong, telling him that the days when the North Vietnamese could count of the supply of Chinese arms were coming to close. Thọ showed no emotion: "That is your affair. Our fighting is our preoccupation, and that will decide the outcome for our country. What you have told us will have no influence on our fighting".

    2 May 1972, Thọ had his 13th meeting with Kissinger in Paris. The meeting was hostile; the North Vietnamese had just taken Quang Tri City in South Vietnam, which led Nixon to tell Kissinger "No nonsense. No niceness. No accommodations". During the meeting, Thọ mentioned that Senator William Fulbright was criticizing the Nixon administration, leading Kissinger to say: "Our domestic discussions are no concern of yours". Thọ snapped back: "I'm giving an example to prove that Americans share our views". When Kissinger asked Thọ why North Vietnam had not responded on a proposal he sent via the Soviet Union, Thọ replied: "We have on many occasions said that if you have any question, you should talk to directly to us, and we shall talk directly to you. We don't speak through a third person".

    August 1972, Kissinger promised Thọ that he would pressure Nguyễn Văn Thiệu to resign if Thọ agreed to a peace deal before US presidential elections. Thọ told Kissinger that the timetable for Thiệu's departure was no longer an immediate concern & he wanted some $8 billion in reparations for the war damage. Kissinger told Thọ that he wanted to tell the world about their secret meetings since 1970 to give the impression that Nixon was making progress on peace in Vietnam, a suggestion Thọ rejected, saying it's not his job to assist Nixon's reelection campaign.

    20 November 1972, Kissinger met Thọ again in Paris. Kissinger no longer aimed at secrecy & was followed by paparazzi as he went to a house owned by the French Communist Party where Thọ was waiting for him. Kissinger announced the Americans wanted major changes to the peace agreement made in October to accommodate Thiệu, which led Thọ to accuse him of negotiating in bad faith.
    Thọ: "We have been deceived by the French, the Japanese and the Americans. But the deception has never been so flagrant as of now".

    Putting more pressure, Nixon told Kissinger to break off talks if Thọ wouldn't agree to changes he wanted. Kissinger told Nixon: "While we have a moral case for bombing North Vietnam when it does not accept our terms, it seems to be really stretching the point to bomb North Vietnam when it has accepted our terms and when South Vietnam has not". December 1972, talks had broken & Nixon decided to resume bombing North Vietnam.
    After the Christmas bombings of 1972, Thọ was in particularly savage mood towards Kissinger.

    8 January 1973 in a house in the French town of Gif-sur-Yvette, Kissinger arrived to find nobody at the door to greet him. When Kissinger entered the conference room, nobody spoke to him. Sensing the hostile mood, Kissinger speaking in French said: "It was not my fault about the bombing". Before Kissinger could say anymore, Thọ exploded in rage, saying in French:
    "Under the pretext of interrupted negotiations, you resumed the bombing of North Vietnam, just at the moment when I reached home. You have 'greeted' my arrival in a very courteous manner! You action, I can say, is flagrant and gross! You and no one else strained the honor of the United States"

    "You've spent billions of dollars and many tons of bombs when we had a text ready to sign". Kissinger replied: "I have heard many adjectives in your comments. I propose that you should not use them". Thọ answered: "I have used those adjectives with a great deal of restraint already. The world opinion, the U.S. press and U.S. political personalities have used harsher words".

    #AsianMastodon #Vietnam #VietnameseRevolutionaries #ColonialResistance #Communist #VietnameseHistory #AsianHistory #SouthEastAsia #Viet #Geopolitics #USWarOnVietnam #LongLiveVietnam #VietnameseSovereignty #LearnHistory #TootSEA

  24. In his book “Our Vietnam: The War 1954–1975,” U.S. journalist A.J. Langguth says that despite Kissinger’s protestations for Tho to be quiet, during one session of the talks he shouted at Kissinger for over an hour:

    “For more than ten years, America has used violence to beat down the Vietnamese people-napalm, B-52s. But you don’t draw any lessons from your failures. You continue the same policy. Ngu xuan! Ngu xuan! Ngu xuan!”

    The translator refused to tell Kissinger what Ngu xuan meant (massively stupid) for fear of causing offence.

    Luu Van Loi, who was with Tho at the conference as a member of the negotiating team, wasn’t happy with #Kissinger either. “Kissinger was dodgy; he always brought up irrelevant matters at the start of meetings, and only mentioned the important stuff out for discussion at night. He must have thought that the old Le Duc Tho was sleepy and tired. But he knew nothing about Tho! The longer the negotiation went, the more alert Tho got.”

    Kissinger seemed to agree with Luu Van Loi when he expressed his astonishment: “Sometimes he talked for hours straight. I said, ‘I’ve heard this countless times,’ but Tho responded ‘You’ve heard it countless times but you haven’t remembered it, let me repeat…’”

    Thọ told Kissinger at their first meeting that "Vietnamization" was doomed, dismissively saying in French: "Previously, with over one million U.S and Saigon troops, you have failed. Now how can you win if you let the South Vietnamese Army fight alone and if you only give them military support?"

    In April 1970, Thọ broke off his meetings with Kissinger, saying that there was nothing to discuss. An attempt by Kissinger to talk to Thọ again in May 1970 was rejected with a note reading "The U.S. words of peace are just empty ones"

    In July 1971, Kissinger taunted Thọ with news that President #Nixon would be visiting China soon to meet #MaoZedong, telling him that the days when the North Vietnamese could count of the supply of Chinese arms were coming to close. Thọ showed no emotion: "That is your affair. Our fighting is our preoccupation, and that will decide the outcome for our country. What you have told us will have no influence on our fighting".

    2 May 1972, Thọ had his 13th meeting with Kissinger in Paris. The meeting was hostile; the North Vietnamese had just taken Quang Tri City in South Vietnam, which led Nixon to tell Kissinger "No nonsense. No niceness. No accommodations". During the meeting, Thọ mentioned that Senator William Fulbright was criticizing the Nixon administration, leading Kissinger to say: "Our domestic discussions are no concern of yours". Thọ snapped back: "I'm giving an example to prove that Americans share our views". When Kissinger asked Thọ why North Vietnam had not responded on a proposal he sent via the Soviet Union, Thọ replied: "We have on many occasions said that if you have any question, you should talk to directly to us, and we shall talk directly to you. We don't speak through a third person".

    August 1972, Kissinger promised Thọ that he would pressure Nguyễn Văn Thiệu to resign if Thọ agreed to a peace deal before US presidential elections. Thọ told Kissinger that the timetable for Thiệu's departure was no longer an immediate concern & he wanted some $8 billion in reparations for the war damage. Kissinger told Thọ that he wanted to tell the world about their secret meetings since 1970 to give the impression that Nixon was making progress on peace in Vietnam, a suggestion Thọ rejected, saying it's not his job to assist Nixon's reelection campaign.

    20 November 1972, Kissinger met Thọ again in Paris. Kissinger no longer aimed at secrecy & was followed by paparazzi as he went to a house owned by the French Communist Party where Thọ was waiting for him. Kissinger announced the Americans wanted major changes to the peace agreement made in October to accommodate Thiệu, which led Thọ to accuse him of negotiating in bad faith.
    Thọ: "We have been deceived by the French, the Japanese and the Americans. But the deception has never been so flagrant as of now".

    Putting more pressure, Nixon told Kissinger to break off talks if Thọ wouldn't agree to changes he wanted. Kissinger told Nixon: "While we have a moral case for bombing North Vietnam when it does not accept our terms, it seems to be really stretching the point to bomb North Vietnam when it has accepted our terms and when South Vietnam has not". December 1972, talks had broken & Nixon decided to resume bombing North Vietnam.
    After the Christmas bombings of 1972, Thọ was in particularly savage mood towards Kissinger.

    8 January 1973 in a house in the French town of Gif-sur-Yvette, Kissinger arrived to find nobody at the door to greet him. When Kissinger entered the conference room, nobody spoke to him. Sensing the hostile mood, Kissinger speaking in French said: "It was not my fault about the bombing". Before Kissinger could say anymore, Thọ exploded in rage, saying in French:
    "Under the pretext of interrupted negotiations, you resumed the bombing of North Vietnam, just at the moment when I reached home. You have 'greeted' my arrival in a very courteous manner! You action, I can say, is flagrant and gross! You and no one else strained the honor of the United States"

    "You've spent billions of dollars and many tons of bombs when we had a text ready to sign". Kissinger replied: "I have heard many adjectives in your comments. I propose that you should not use them". Thọ answered: "I have used those adjectives with a great deal of restraint already. The world opinion, the U.S. press and U.S. political personalities have used harsher words".

    #AsianMastodon #Vietnam #VietnameseRevolutionaries #ColonialResistance #Communist #VietnameseHistory #AsianHistory #SouthEastAsia #Viet #Geopolitics #USWarOnVietnam #LongLiveVietnam #VietnameseSovereignty #LearnHistory #TootSEA

  25. In his book “Our Vietnam: The War 1954–1975,” U.S. journalist A.J. Langguth says that despite Kissinger’s protestations for Tho to be quiet, during one session of the talks he shouted at Kissinger for over an hour:

    “For more than ten years, America has used violence to beat down the Vietnamese people-napalm, B-52s. But you don’t draw any lessons from your failures. You continue the same policy. Ngu xuan! Ngu xuan! Ngu xuan!”

    The translator refused to tell Kissinger what Ngu xuan meant (massively stupid) for fear of causing offence.

    Luu Van Loi, who was with Tho at the conference as a member of the negotiating team, wasn’t happy with #Kissinger either. “Kissinger was dodgy; he always brought up irrelevant matters at the start of meetings, and only mentioned the important stuff out for discussion at night. He must have thought that the old Le Duc Tho was sleepy and tired. But he knew nothing about Tho! The longer the negotiation went, the more alert Tho got.”

    Kissinger seemed to agree with Luu Van Loi when he expressed his astonishment: “Sometimes he talked for hours straight. I said, ‘I’ve heard this countless times,’ but Tho responded ‘You’ve heard it countless times but you haven’t remembered it, let me repeat…’”

    Thọ told Kissinger at their first meeting that "Vietnamization" was doomed, dismissively saying in French: "Previously, with over one million U.S and Saigon troops, you have failed. Now how can you win if you let the South Vietnamese Army fight alone and if you only give them military support?"

    In April 1970, Thọ broke off his meetings with Kissinger, saying that there was nothing to discuss. An attempt by Kissinger to talk to Thọ again in May 1970 was rejected with a note reading "The U.S. words of peace are just empty ones"

    In July 1971, Kissinger taunted Thọ with news that President #Nixon would be visiting China soon to meet #MaoZedong, telling him that the days when the North Vietnamese could count of the supply of Chinese arms were coming to close. Thọ showed no emotion: "That is your affair. Our fighting is our preoccupation, and that will decide the outcome for our country. What you have told us will have no influence on our fighting".

    2 May 1972, Thọ had his 13th meeting with Kissinger in Paris. The meeting was hostile; the North Vietnamese had just taken Quang Tri City in South Vietnam, which led Nixon to tell Kissinger "No nonsense. No niceness. No accommodations". During the meeting, Thọ mentioned that Senator William Fulbright was criticizing the Nixon administration, leading Kissinger to say: "Our domestic discussions are no concern of yours". Thọ snapped back: "I'm giving an example to prove that Americans share our views". When Kissinger asked Thọ why North Vietnam had not responded on a proposal he sent via the Soviet Union, Thọ replied: "We have on many occasions said that if you have any question, you should talk to directly to us, and we shall talk directly to you. We don't speak through a third person".

    August 1972, Kissinger promised Thọ that he would pressure Nguyễn Văn Thiệu to resign if Thọ agreed to a peace deal before US presidential elections. Thọ told Kissinger that the timetable for Thiệu's departure was no longer an immediate concern & he wanted some $8 billion in reparations for the war damage. Kissinger told Thọ that he wanted to tell the world about their secret meetings since 1970 to give the impression that Nixon was making progress on peace in Vietnam, a suggestion Thọ rejected, saying it's not his job to assist Nixon's reelection campaign.

    20 November 1972, Kissinger met Thọ again in Paris. Kissinger no longer aimed at secrecy & was followed by paparazzi as he went to a house owned by the French Communist Party where Thọ was waiting for him. Kissinger announced the Americans wanted major changes to the peace agreement made in October to accommodate Thiệu, which led Thọ to accuse him of negotiating in bad faith.
    Thọ: "We have been deceived by the French, the Japanese and the Americans. But the deception has never been so flagrant as of now".

    Putting more pressure, Nixon told Kissinger to break off talks if Thọ wouldn't agree to changes he wanted. Kissinger told Nixon: "While we have a moral case for bombing North Vietnam when it does not accept our terms, it seems to be really stretching the point to bomb North Vietnam when it has accepted our terms and when South Vietnam has not". December 1972, talks had broken & Nixon decided to resume bombing North Vietnam.
    After the Christmas bombings of 1972, Thọ was in particularly savage mood towards Kissinger.

    8 January 1973 in a house in the French town of Gif-sur-Yvette, Kissinger arrived to find nobody at the door to greet him. When Kissinger entered the conference room, nobody spoke to him. Sensing the hostile mood, Kissinger speaking in French said: "It was not my fault about the bombing". Before Kissinger could say anymore, Thọ exploded in rage, saying in French:
    "Under the pretext of interrupted negotiations, you resumed the bombing of North Vietnam, just at the moment when I reached home. You have 'greeted' my arrival in a very courteous manner! You action, I can say, is flagrant and gross! You and no one else strained the honor of the United States"

    "You've spent billions of dollars and many tons of bombs when we had a text ready to sign". Kissinger replied: "I have heard many adjectives in your comments. I propose that you should not use them". Thọ answered: "I have used those adjectives with a great deal of restraint already. The world opinion, the U.S. press and U.S. political personalities have used harsher words".

    #AsianMastodon #Vietnam #VietnameseRevolutionaries #ColonialResistance #Communist #VietnameseHistory #AsianHistory #SouthEastAsia #Viet #Geopolitics #USWarOnVietnam #LongLiveVietnam #VietnameseSovereignty #LearnHistory #TootSEA

  26. In his book “Our Vietnam: The War 1954–1975,” U.S. journalist A.J. Langguth says that despite Kissinger’s protestations for Tho to be quiet, during one session of the talks he shouted at Kissinger for over an hour:

    “For more than ten years, America has used violence to beat down the Vietnamese people-napalm, B-52s. But you don’t draw any lessons from your failures. You continue the same policy. Ngu xuan! Ngu xuan! Ngu xuan!”

    The translator refused to tell Kissinger what Ngu xuan meant (massively stupid) for fear of causing offence.

    Luu Van Loi, who was with Tho at the conference as a member of the negotiating team, wasn’t happy with #Kissinger either. “Kissinger was dodgy; he always brought up irrelevant matters at the start of meetings, and only mentioned the important stuff out for discussion at night. He must have thought that the old Le Duc Tho was sleepy and tired. But he knew nothing about Tho! The longer the negotiation went, the more alert Tho got.”

    Kissinger seemed to agree with Luu Van Loi when he expressed his astonishment: “Sometimes he talked for hours straight. I said, ‘I’ve heard this countless times,’ but Tho responded ‘You’ve heard it countless times but you haven’t remembered it, let me repeat…’”

    Thọ told Kissinger at their first meeting that "Vietnamization" was doomed, dismissively saying in French: "Previously, with over one million U.S and Saigon troops, you have failed. Now how can you win if you let the South Vietnamese Army fight alone and if you only give them military support?"

    In April 1970, Thọ broke off his meetings with Kissinger, saying that there was nothing to discuss. An attempt by Kissinger to talk to Thọ again in May 1970 was rejected with a note reading "The U.S. words of peace are just empty ones"

    In July 1971, Kissinger taunted Thọ with news that President #Nixon would be visiting China soon to meet #MaoZedong, telling him that the days when the North Vietnamese could count of the supply of Chinese arms were coming to close. Thọ showed no emotion: "That is your affair. Our fighting is our preoccupation, and that will decide the outcome for our country. What you have told us will have no influence on our fighting".

    2 May 1972, Thọ had his 13th meeting with Kissinger in Paris. The meeting was hostile; the North Vietnamese had just taken Quang Tri City in South Vietnam, which led Nixon to tell Kissinger "No nonsense. No niceness. No accommodations". During the meeting, Thọ mentioned that Senator William Fulbright was criticizing the Nixon administration, leading Kissinger to say: "Our domestic discussions are no concern of yours". Thọ snapped back: "I'm giving an example to prove that Americans share our views". When Kissinger asked Thọ why North Vietnam had not responded on a proposal he sent via the Soviet Union, Thọ replied: "We have on many occasions said that if you have any question, you should talk to directly to us, and we shall talk directly to you. We don't speak through a third person".

    August 1972, Kissinger promised Thọ that he would pressure Nguyễn Văn Thiệu to resign if Thọ agreed to a peace deal before US presidential elections. Thọ told Kissinger that the timetable for Thiệu's departure was no longer an immediate concern & he wanted some $8 billion in reparations for the war damage. Kissinger told Thọ that he wanted to tell the world about their secret meetings since 1970 to give the impression that Nixon was making progress on peace in Vietnam, a suggestion Thọ rejected, saying it's not his job to assist Nixon's reelection campaign.

    20 November 1972, Kissinger met Thọ again in Paris. Kissinger no longer aimed at secrecy & was followed by paparazzi as he went to a house owned by the French Communist Party where Thọ was waiting for him. Kissinger announced the Americans wanted major changes to the peace agreement made in October to accommodate Thiệu, which led Thọ to accuse him of negotiating in bad faith.
    Thọ: "We have been deceived by the French, the Japanese and the Americans. But the deception has never been so flagrant as of now".

    Putting more pressure, Nixon told Kissinger to break off talks if Thọ wouldn't agree to changes he wanted. Kissinger told Nixon: "While we have a moral case for bombing North Vietnam when it does not accept our terms, it seems to be really stretching the point to bomb North Vietnam when it has accepted our terms and when South Vietnam has not". December 1972, talks had broken & Nixon decided to resume bombing North Vietnam.
    After the Christmas bombings of 1972, Thọ was in particularly savage mood towards Kissinger.

    8 January 1973 in a house in the French town of Gif-sur-Yvette, Kissinger arrived to find nobody at the door to greet him. When Kissinger entered the conference room, nobody spoke to him. Sensing the hostile mood, Kissinger speaking in French said: "It was not my fault about the bombing". Before Kissinger could say anymore, Thọ exploded in rage, saying in French:
    "Under the pretext of interrupted negotiations, you resumed the bombing of North Vietnam, just at the moment when I reached home. You have 'greeted' my arrival in a very courteous manner! You action, I can say, is flagrant and gross! You and no one else strained the honor of the United States"

    "You've spent billions of dollars and many tons of bombs when we had a text ready to sign". Kissinger replied: "I have heard many adjectives in your comments. I propose that you should not use them". Thọ answered: "I have used those adjectives with a great deal of restraint already. The world opinion, the U.S. press and U.S. political personalities have used harsher words".

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  27. In his book “Our Vietnam: The War 1954–1975,” U.S. journalist A.J. Langguth says that despite Kissinger’s protestations for Tho to be quiet, during one session of the talks he shouted at Kissinger for over an hour:

    “For more than ten years, America has used violence to beat down the Vietnamese people-napalm, B-52s. But you don’t draw any lessons from your failures. You continue the same policy. Ngu xuan! Ngu xuan! Ngu xuan!”

    The translator refused to tell Kissinger what Ngu xuan meant (massively stupid) for fear of causing offence.

    Luu Van Loi, who was with Tho at the conference as a member of the negotiating team, wasn’t happy with #Kissinger either. “Kissinger was dodgy; he always brought up irrelevant matters at the start of meetings, and only mentioned the important stuff out for discussion at night. He must have thought that the old Le Duc Tho was sleepy and tired. But he knew nothing about Tho! The longer the negotiation went, the more alert Tho got.”

    Kissinger seemed to agree with Luu Van Loi when he expressed his astonishment: “Sometimes he talked for hours straight. I said, ‘I’ve heard this countless times,’ but Tho responded ‘You’ve heard it countless times but you haven’t remembered it, let me repeat…’”

    Thọ told Kissinger at their first meeting that "Vietnamization" was doomed, dismissively saying in French: "Previously, with over one million U.S and Saigon troops, you have failed. Now how can you win if you let the South Vietnamese Army fight alone and if you only give them military support?"

    In April 1970, Thọ broke off his meetings with Kissinger, saying that there was nothing to discuss. An attempt by Kissinger to talk to Thọ again in May 1970 was rejected with a note reading "The U.S. words of peace are just empty ones"

    In July 1971, Kissinger taunted Thọ with news that President #Nixon would be visiting China soon to meet #MaoZedong, telling him that the days when the North Vietnamese could count of the supply of Chinese arms were coming to close. Thọ showed no emotion: "That is your affair. Our fighting is our preoccupation, and that will decide the outcome for our country. What you have told us will have no influence on our fighting".

    2 May 1972, Thọ had his 13th meeting with Kissinger in Paris. The meeting was hostile; the North Vietnamese had just taken Quang Tri City in South Vietnam, which led Nixon to tell Kissinger "No nonsense. No niceness. No accommodations". During the meeting, Thọ mentioned that Senator William Fulbright was criticizing the Nixon administration, leading Kissinger to say: "Our domestic discussions are no concern of yours". Thọ snapped back: "I'm giving an example to prove that Americans share our views". When Kissinger asked Thọ why North Vietnam had not responded on a proposal he sent via the Soviet Union, Thọ replied: "We have on many occasions said that if you have any question, you should talk to directly to us, and we shall talk directly to you. We don't speak through a third person".

    August 1972, Kissinger promised Thọ that he would pressure Nguyễn Văn Thiệu to resign if Thọ agreed to a peace deal before US presidential elections. Thọ told Kissinger that the timetable for Thiệu's departure was no longer an immediate concern & he wanted some $8 billion in reparations for the war damage. Kissinger told Thọ that he wanted to tell the world about their secret meetings since 1970 to give the impression that Nixon was making progress on peace in Vietnam, a suggestion Thọ rejected, saying it's not his job to assist Nixon's reelection campaign.

    20 November 1972, Kissinger met Thọ again in Paris. Kissinger no longer aimed at secrecy & was followed by paparazzi as he went to a house owned by the French Communist Party where Thọ was waiting for him. Kissinger announced the Americans wanted major changes to the peace agreement made in October to accommodate Thiệu, which led Thọ to accuse him of negotiating in bad faith.
    Thọ: "We have been deceived by the French, the Japanese and the Americans. But the deception has never been so flagrant as of now".

    Putting more pressure, Nixon told Kissinger to break off talks if Thọ wouldn't agree to changes he wanted. Kissinger told Nixon: "While we have a moral case for bombing North Vietnam when it does not accept our terms, it seems to be really stretching the point to bomb North Vietnam when it has accepted our terms and when South Vietnam has not". December 1972, talks had broken & Nixon decided to resume bombing North Vietnam.
    After the Christmas bombings of 1972, Thọ was in particularly savage mood towards Kissinger.

    8 January 1973 in a house in the French town of Gif-sur-Yvette, Kissinger arrived to find nobody at the door to greet him. When Kissinger entered the conference room, nobody spoke to him. Sensing the hostile mood, Kissinger speaking in French said: "It was not my fault about the bombing". Before Kissinger could say anymore, Thọ exploded in rage, saying in French:
    "Under the pretext of interrupted negotiations, you resumed the bombing of North Vietnam, just at the moment when I reached home. You have 'greeted' my arrival in a very courteous manner! You action, I can say, is flagrant and gross! You and no one else strained the honor of the United States"

    "You've spent billions of dollars and many tons of bombs when we had a text ready to sign". Kissinger replied: "I have heard many adjectives in your comments. I propose that you should not use them". Thọ answered: "I have used those adjectives with a great deal of restraint already. The world opinion, the U.S. press and U.S. political personalities have used harsher words".

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  28. For some context, let's remember that #Strom #Thurmond so detested Abe Fortas on #SCOTUS, he screened #pornography on the Senate floor (since Fortas voted w/ majority to allow #pornographic films), calling it the #Fortas #Film #Festival. Fortas #resigned the following year, after a personal donor got arrested for stock fraud & #Nixon's AG threatened to #prosecute Fortas' wife for #tax evasion. He later argued cases before the #court! #impeach #clarence #thomas #now en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abe_Fort