#flatpaks — Public Fediverse posts

On a completely random note, I have a love-hate relationship with #immutable #Linux. On the one hand, system stability is great, and I don't (usually) mind running stuff in VMs or other such nonsense. I don't really have anything against #Flatpaks either. Or #AppImages, for that matter. (Snaps can lick my cloaca).

On the other hand, some stuff just runs better natively, and other stuff can't run at all. And tweaks are always easier on a mutable system.

I suppose they're not for me. They are, however, for friends and family who want to try switching to Linux. Keeps them from accidentally deleting their fstab or fucking up their initramfs or whatever.

Not that the Owlbear has ever seen anyone do that, but I wouldn't put it past some folks...

I did once see someone shrink their page.sys file on Windows to nothing in an attempt to recover hard drive space. Which might have worked if they had more ram, or didn't try to hibernate the system, or if Windows had sane memory handling.

... It was me. I did that.

On a completely random note, I have a love-hate relationship with #immutable #Linux. On the one hand, system stability is great, and I don't (usually) mind running stuff in VMs or other such nonsense. I don't really have anything against #Flatpaks either. Or #AppImages, for that matter. (Snaps can lick my cloaca).

On the other hand, some stuff just runs better natively, and other stuff can't run at all. And tweaks are always easier on a mutable system.

I suppose they're not for me. They are, however, for friends and family who want to try switching to Linux. Keeps them from accidentally deleting their fstab or fucking up their initramfs or whatever.

Not that the Owlbear has ever seen anyone do that, but I wouldn't put it past some folks...

I did once see someone shrink their page.sys file on Windows to nothing in an attempt to recover hard drive space. Which might have worked if they had more ram, or didn't try to hibernate the system, or if Windows had sane memory handling.

... It was me. I did that.

On a completely random note, I have a love-hate relationship with #immutable #Linux. On the one hand, system stability is great, and I don't (usually) mind running stuff in VMs or other such nonsense. I don't really have anything against #Flatpaks either. Or #AppImages, for that matter. (Snaps can lick my cloaca).

On the other hand, some stuff just runs better natively, and other stuff can't run at all. And tweaks are always easier on a mutable system.

I suppose they're not for me. They are, however, for friends and family who want to try switching to Linux. Keeps them from accidentally deleting their fstab or fucking up their initramfs or whatever.

Not that the Owlbear has ever seen anyone do that, but I wouldn't put it past some folks...

I did once see someone shrink their page.sys file on Windows to nothing in an attempt to recover hard drive space. Which might have worked if they had more ram, or didn't try to hibernate the system, or if Windows had sane memory handling.

... It was me. I did that.

On a completely random note, I have a love-hate relationship with #immutable #Linux. On the one hand, system stability is great, and I don't (usually) mind running stuff in VMs or other such nonsense. I don't really have anything against #Flatpaks either. Or #AppImages, for that matter. (Snaps can lick my cloaca).

On the other hand, some stuff just runs better natively, and other stuff can't run at all. And tweaks are always easier on a mutable system.

I suppose they're not for me. They are, however, for friends and family who want to try switching to Linux. Keeps them from accidentally deleting their fstab or fucking up their initramfs or whatever.

Not that the Owlbear has ever seen anyone do that, but I wouldn't put it past some folks...

I did once see someone shrink their page.sys file on Windows to nothing in an attempt to recover hard drive space. Which might have worked if they had more ram, or didn't try to hibernate the system, or if Windows had sane memory handling.

... It was me. I did that.

Das Disaster mit dem AUR nimmt nun seinen Lauf und ich überlege, wie ich meine AUR Pakete weg bekomme.
Für manche Pakete gibt es, vielleicht auch schon länger, durchaus Alternativen im den Main Repos.
Bei meiner Suche bin ich jetzt auf Flatpaks gestoßen.
Hatte ich schon gehört, aber nie genutzt.
Ich habe mir bazaar installiert und einiges aus dem AUR gegen Pakete von Flathub getauscht.
Cool!
Übersichtliche GUI und erscheint mir schneller.
#archlinux #aur #manjaro #cachyos #endeavouros #flatpaks

Chatting about Linux

https://watch.linuxrenaissance.com/w/ucVwfv31Q8GWReGijGgxYF

Ich habe ja leider erst 2024 den Absprung von #Windows geschafft und nutze seitdem #LinuxMint.
Damals sollte der Umstieg möglichst einfach sein, und ich habe nicht verstanden warum viele Nutzer etliche Distros testen und ständig wechseln.
Ja, und jetzt? Jetzt habe ich hier einen ungenutzten Rechner stehen und frage mich welche Distro soll ich mal testen?
Empfehlungen? Sollte wieder möglichst einfach sein, #Flatpaks finde ich gut.
Ansonsten nutze ich meinen Rechner nur für Officekram, Mails, Bilder sortieren, Dokumente ablegen....

Ich habe ja leider erst 2024 den Absprung von #Windows geschafft und nutze seitdem #LinuxMint.
Damals sollte der Umstieg möglichst einfach sein, und ich habe nicht verstanden warum viele Nutzer etliche Distros testen und ständig wechseln.
Ja, und jetzt? Jetzt habe ich hier einen ungenutzten Rechner stehen und frage mich welche Distro soll ich mal testen?
Empfehlungen? Sollte wieder möglichst einfach sein, #Flatpaks finde ich gut.
Ansonsten nutze ich meinen Rechner nur für Officekram, Mails, Bilder sortieren, Dokumente ablegen....

Ich habe ja leider erst 2024 den Absprung von #Windows geschafft und nutze seitdem #LinuxMint.
Damals sollte der Umstieg möglichst einfach sein, und ich habe nicht verstanden warum viele Nutzer etliche Distros testen und ständig wechseln.
Ja, und jetzt? Jetzt habe ich hier einen ungenutzten Rechner stehen und frage mich welche Distro soll ich mal testen?
Empfehlungen? Sollte wieder möglichst einfach sein, #Flatpaks finde ich gut.
Ansonsten nutze ich meinen Rechner nur für Officekram, Mails, Bilder sortieren, Dokumente ablegen....

Ich habe ja leider erst 2024 den Absprung von #Windows geschafft und nutze seitdem #LinuxMint.
Damals sollte der Umstieg möglichst einfach sein, und ich habe nicht verstanden warum viele Nutzer etliche Distros testen und ständig wechseln.
Ja, und jetzt? Jetzt habe ich hier einen ungenutzten Rechner stehen und frage mich welche Distro soll ich mal testen?
Empfehlungen? Sollte wieder möglichst einfach sein, #Flatpaks finde ich gut.
Ansonsten nutze ich meinen Rechner nur für Officekram, Mails, Bilder sortieren, Dokumente ablegen....

📦 Flathub grew over 21% breaking beyond 435 million downloads in 2025.

｢ Core web browsers and communication tools led the downloads list, with Firefox, Google Chrome, and Discord ranking as the most popular individual applications. Among the games, Sober Play, a Roblox client, topped the download list, while classic titles such as Minecraft and Space Cadet Pinball registered significant installations ｣

https://linuxiac.com/flathub-sees-over-435-million-downloads-in-2025/

#flathub #flatpaks #opensource

📦 Flathub grew over 21% breaking beyond 435 million downloads in 2025.

｢ Core web browsers and communication tools led the downloads list, with Firefox, Google Chrome, and Discord ranking as the most popular individual applications. Among the games, Sober Play, a Roblox client, topped the download list, while classic titles such as Minecraft and Space Cadet Pinball registered significant installations ｣

https://linuxiac.com/flathub-sees-over-435-million-downloads-in-2025/

#flathub #flatpaks #opensource

📦 Flathub grew over 21% breaking beyond 435 million downloads in 2025.

｢ Core web browsers and communication tools led the downloads list, with Firefox, Google Chrome, and Discord ranking as the most popular individual applications. Among the games, Sober Play, a Roblox client, topped the download list, while classic titles such as Minecraft and Space Cadet Pinball registered significant installations ｣

https://linuxiac.com/flathub-sees-over-435-million-downloads-in-2025/

#flathub #flatpaks #opensource

📦 Flathub grew over 21% breaking beyond 435 million downloads in 2025.

｢ Core web browsers and communication tools led the downloads list, with Firefox, Google Chrome, and Discord ranking as the most popular individual applications. Among the games, Sober Play, a Roblox client, topped the download list, while classic titles such as Minecraft and Space Cadet Pinball registered significant installations ｣

https://linuxiac.com/flathub-sees-over-435-million-downloads-in-2025/

#flathub #flatpaks #opensource

📦 Flathub grew over 21% breaking beyond 435 million downloads in 2025.

｢ Core web browsers and communication tools led the downloads list, with Firefox, Google Chrome, and Discord ranking as the most popular individual applications. Among the games, Sober Play, a Roblox client, topped the download list, while classic titles such as Minecraft and Space Cadet Pinball registered significant installations ｣

https://linuxiac.com/flathub-sees-over-435-million-downloads-in-2025/

#flathub #flatpaks #opensource

@chpietsch Ich weiß, ich auch! xD hahaha. Sprich für Nicht-Debian-Systeme: Die Sache ist die, die #Flatpaks werden leider nicht von Signal, sprich der Whisper Foundation, maintained. Btw funktioniert es auch unter Tails 7.2, macht sogar Updates. :awesome: ✨ 💫 #Signal + #Tails == Win für Privacy und Security. ❤️ 💚 🙏

@chpietsch Ich weiß, ich auch! xD hahaha. Sprich für Nicht-Debian-Systeme: Die Sache ist die, die #Flatpaks werden leider nicht von Signal, sprich der Whisper Foundation, maintained. Btw funktioniert es auch unter Tails 7.2, macht sogar Updates. :awesome: ✨ 💫 #Signal + #Tails == Win für Privacy und Security. ❤️ 💚 🙏

@chpietsch Ich weiß, ich auch! xD hahaha. Sprich für Nicht-Debian-Systeme: Die Sache ist die, die #Flatpaks werden leider nicht von Signal, sprich der Whisper Foundation, maintained. Btw funktioniert es auch unter Tails 7.2, macht sogar Updates. :awesome: ✨ 💫 #Signal + #Tails == Win für Privacy und Security. ❤️ 💚 🙏

@chpietsch Ich weiß, ich auch! xD hahaha. Sprich für Nicht-Debian-Systeme: Die Sache ist die, die #Flatpaks werden leider nicht von Signal, sprich der Whisper Foundation, maintained. Btw funktioniert es auch unter Tails 7.2, macht sogar Updates. :awesome: ✨ 💫 #Signal + #Tails == Win für Privacy und Security. ❤️ 💚 🙏

@chpietsch Ich weiß, ich auch! xD hahaha. Sprich für Nicht-Debian-Systeme: Die Sache ist die, die #Flatpaks werden leider nicht von Signal, sprich der Whisper Foundation, maintained. Btw funktioniert es auch unter Tails 7.2, macht sogar Updates. :awesome: ✨ 💫 #Signal + #Tails == Win für Privacy und Security. ❤️ 💚 🙏

@jwcph @itsfoss You can use Warehouse by @Heliguy (thanks) to create snapshots and restore them on the other device - no terminal required! I used this to restore my #flatpaks with their data on a #Librem5 Linux phone after reflashing #postmarketOS.

https://flathub.org/en/apps/io.github.flattool.Warehouse

@jwcph @itsfoss You can use Warehouse by @Heliguy (thanks) to create snapshots and restore them on the other device - no terminal required! I used this to restore my #flatpaks with their data on a #Librem5 Linux phone after reflashing #postmarketOS.

https://flathub.org/en/apps/io.github.flattool.Warehouse

@jwcph @itsfoss You can use Warehouse by @Heliguy (thanks) to create snapshots and restore them on the other device - no terminal required! I used this to restore my #flatpaks with their data on a #Librem5 Linux phone after reflashing #postmarketOS.

https://flathub.org/en/apps/io.github.flattool.Warehouse

@jwcph @itsfoss You can use Warehouse by @Heliguy (thanks) to create snapshots and restore them on the other device - no terminal required! I used this to restore my #flatpaks with their data on a #Librem5 Linux phone after reflashing #postmarketOS.

https://flathub.org/en/apps/io.github.flattool.Warehouse

@jwcph @itsfoss You can use Warehouse by @Heliguy (thanks) to create snapshots and restore them on the other device - no terminal required! I used this to restore my #flatpaks with their data on a #Librem5 Linux phone after reflashing #postmarketOS.

https://flathub.org/en/apps/io.github.flattool.Warehouse

@Kroc #flatpaks still have a place for #FOSS software, particularly aging software. Trying to get old software running with contemporary software natively is often difficult or even impossible. Having an isolated container system, like a #flatpak, to run that application makes absolute sense. I use flatpak for packaging for #retrogames and old apps.

@Kroc #flatpaks still have a place for #FOSS software, particularly aging software. Trying to get old software running with contemporary software natively is often difficult or even impossible. Having an isolated container system, like a #flatpak, to run that application makes absolute sense. I use flatpak for packaging for #retrogames and old apps.

@Kroc #flatpaks still have a place for #FOSS software, particularly aging software. Trying to get old software running with contemporary software natively is often difficult or even impossible. Having an isolated container system, like a #flatpak, to run that application makes absolute sense. I use flatpak for packaging for #retrogames and old apps.

@Kroc #flatpaks still have a place for #FOSS software, particularly aging software. Trying to get old software running with contemporary software natively is often difficult or even impossible. Having an isolated container system, like a #flatpak, to run that application makes absolute sense. I use flatpak for packaging for #retrogames and old apps.

@Kroc #flatpaks still have a place for #FOSS software, particularly aging software. Trying to get old software running with contemporary software natively is often difficult or even impossible. Having an isolated container system, like a #flatpak, to run that application makes absolute sense. I use flatpak for packaging for #retrogames and old apps.

@transicorn @Kroc While I like #flatpaks in general, they are still suffering from growing pains. Once #flatpak support is enabled, any logged in user can install additional flatpak software regardless of the system admin's desire. This leads to much abuse. I can't keep my kids from installing minecraft on our #homeschool computers. This is just the tame sort of abuse that can happen. Now think about this in a #corporate environment.

There needs to be a way of whitelisting/blacklisting apps.

@transicorn @Kroc While I like #flatpaks in general, they are still suffering from growing pains. Once #flatpak support is enabled, any logged in user can install additional flatpak software regardless of the system admin's desire. This leads to much abuse. I can't keep my kids from installing minecraft on our #homeschool computers. This is just the tame sort of abuse that can happen. Now think about this in a #corporate environment.

There needs to be a way of whitelisting/blacklisting apps.

@transicorn @Kroc While I like #flatpaks in general, they are still suffering from growing pains. Once #flatpak support is enabled, any logged in user can install additional flatpak software regardless of the system admin's desire. This leads to much abuse. I can't keep my kids from installing minecraft on our #homeschool computers. This is just the tame sort of abuse that can happen. Now think about this in a #corporate environment.

There needs to be a way of whitelisting/blacklisting apps.

@transicorn @Kroc While I like #flatpaks in general, they are still suffering from growing pains. Once #flatpak support is enabled, any logged in user can install additional flatpak software regardless of the system admin's desire. This leads to much abuse. I can't keep my kids from installing minecraft on our #homeschool computers. This is just the tame sort of abuse that can happen. Now think about this in a #corporate environment.

There needs to be a way of whitelisting/blacklisting apps.

@transicorn @Kroc While I like #flatpaks in general, they are still suffering from growing pains. Once #flatpak support is enabled, any logged in user can install additional flatpak software regardless of the system admin's desire. This leads to much abuse. I can't keep my kids from installing minecraft on our #homeschool computers. This is just the tame sort of abuse that can happen. Now think about this in a #corporate environment.

There needs to be a way of whitelisting/blacklisting apps.

Taking the liberty to cross-post my involvement with Fedora Flatpaks; originally posted on Fedora Discourse.

4 years ago, I discovered Fedora Flatpaks, and developed a strong interest with the tech and approach behind it. After having a thorough understanding of it, I wrote two detailed articles about Fedora Flatpaks:

• https://fedoramagazine.org/an-introduction-to-fedora-flatpaks/ (2021/12/22)
• https://fedoramagazine.org/comparison-of-fedora-flatpaks-and-flathub-remotes/ (2022/02/09)

Mind you, I also designed the banners (just highlighting how much I cared about promoting it back then).

I also asked to open a Matrix room (2022/01/01), which was rejected:

https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/matrix-room-request-for-fedora-flatpaks/35622

As time went by, I started losing interest, because there wasn’t much progress with the project, and it was duplicating effort that could have otherwise heavily benefited Flathub and every party involved (GNOME, KDE, elementary, freedesktop.org, Endless Foundation, etc.), which would have benefited Fedora, too.

This realization led me to write “Where Fedora Linux Could Improve § Only Ship Unfiltered Flathub by Default”, which criticized the lack of progress with it, as well as addressing one of the “legal concerns” (2022/12/06):

https://tesk.page/2022/12/06/where-fedora-linux-could-improve/#only-ship-unfiltered-flathub-by-default

(Side note: I’ve also heard from Flathub folks that they received legal advice in regards to these issues.)

This led to some community members to react and start the Flatpak SIG project, to accelerate development — 2 days after my blog post (2022/12/08):

https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=SIGs/Flatpak&oldid=662603

Then, a Matrix room was (finally) created and publicly available (2022/12/10):

https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=SIGs/Flatpak&diff=prev&oldid=663009

By the way, I was never reached out or invited to join the SIG, despite putting in so much effort and time to accelerate development.

However, despite that, I still tried to participate in the project, and added myself to the SIG as well:

https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=SIGs/Flatpak&diff=prev&oldid=663089

Any of my suggestions then were either rejected with no proper explanation, shrugged off, or sent to /dev/null. And whenever I asked for source for obvious misinformation, it would be dismissed.

I tried to push Fedora Flatpaks in a direction that would have been less controversial and more productive by limiting its scope, which would also enable us to allocate more resources on other stuff. However, once again, I wasn’t really taken seriously; at least I personally don’t feel like so.

Eventually, I lost every last bit of interest and removed myself from the SIG (2023/02/20):

https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=SIGs/Flatpak&diff=prev&oldid=669108

All this to say, I tried really hard to keep my opinions to myself, and communicate diplomatically with them; I even wrote articles after doing several hours of researches in the span of weeks to show my interest, but I was treated extremely unfairly in return. So this naturally led me to one conclusion which I still hold today: they’re not looking for diplomacy; they just want to do whatever they want, even if it ends up upsetting/hurting people and projects’ image — I have the same sentiment with RPM packagers, too.

#Fedora #Flatpak #Flathub #Flatpaks

Taking the liberty to cross-post my involvement with Fedora Flatpaks; originally posted on Fedora Discourse.

4 years ago, I discovered Fedora Flatpaks, and developed a strong interest with the tech and approach behind it. After having a thorough understanding of it, I wrote two detailed articles about Fedora Flatpaks:

• https://fedoramagazine.org/an-introduction-to-fedora-flatpaks/ (2021/12/22)
• https://fedoramagazine.org/comparison-of-fedora-flatpaks-and-flathub-remotes/ (2022/02/09)

Mind you, I also designed the banners (just highlighting how much I cared about promoting it back then).

I also asked to open a Matrix room (2022/01/01), which was rejected:

https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/matrix-room-request-for-fedora-flatpaks/35622

As time went by, I started losing interest, because there wasn’t much progress with the project, and it was duplicating effort that could have otherwise heavily benefited Flathub and every party involved (GNOME, KDE, elementary, freedesktop.org, Endless Foundation, etc.), which would have benefited Fedora, too.

This realization led me to write “Where Fedora Linux Could Improve § Only Ship Unfiltered Flathub by Default”, which criticized the lack of progress with it, as well as addressing one of the “legal concerns” (2022/12/06):

https://tesk.page/2022/12/06/where-fedora-linux-could-improve/#only-ship-unfiltered-flathub-by-default

(Side note: I’ve also heard from Flathub folks that they received legal advice in regards to these issues.)

This led to some community members to react and start the Flatpak SIG project, to accelerate development — 2 days after my blog post (2022/12/08):

https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=SIGs/Flatpak&oldid=662603

Then, a Matrix room was (finally) created and publicly available (2022/12/10):

https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=SIGs/Flatpak&diff=prev&oldid=663009

By the way, I was never reached out or invited to join the SIG, despite putting in so much effort and time to accelerate development.

However, despite that, I still tried to participate in the project, and added myself to the SIG as well:

https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=SIGs/Flatpak&diff=prev&oldid=663089

Any of my suggestions then were either rejected with no proper explanation, shrugged off, or sent to /dev/null. And whenever I asked for source for obvious misinformation, it would be dismissed.

I tried to push Fedora Flatpaks in a direction that would have been less controversial and more productive by limiting its scope, which would also enable us to allocate more resources on other stuff. However, once again, I wasn’t really taken seriously; at least I personally don’t feel like so.

Eventually, I lost every last bit of interest and removed myself from the SIG (2023/02/20):

https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=SIGs/Flatpak&diff=prev&oldid=669108

All this to say, I tried really hard to keep my opinions to myself, and communicate diplomatically with them; I even wrote articles after doing several hours of researches in the span of weeks to show my interest, but I was treated extremely unfairly in return. So this naturally led me to one conclusion which I still hold today: they’re not looking for diplomacy; they just want to do whatever they want, even if it ends up upsetting/hurting people and projects’ image — I have the same sentiment with RPM packagers, too.

#Fedora #Flatpak #Flathub #Flatpaks

Taking the liberty to cross-post my involvement with Fedora Flatpaks; originally posted on Fedora Discourse.

4 years ago, I discovered Fedora Flatpaks, and developed a strong interest with the tech and approach behind it. After having a thorough understanding of it, I wrote two detailed articles about Fedora Flatpaks:

• https://fedoramagazine.org/an-introduction-to-fedora-flatpaks/ (2021/12/22)
• https://fedoramagazine.org/comparison-of-fedora-flatpaks-and-flathub-remotes/ (2022/02/09)

Mind you, I also designed the banners (just highlighting how much I cared about promoting it back then).

I also asked to open a Matrix room (2022/01/01), which was rejected:

https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/matrix-room-request-for-fedora-flatpaks/35622

As time went by, I started losing interest, because there wasn’t much progress with the project, and it was duplicating effort that could have otherwise heavily benefited Flathub and every party involved (GNOME, KDE, elementary, freedesktop.org, Endless Foundation, etc.), which would have benefited Fedora, too.

This realization led me to write “Where Fedora Linux Could Improve § Only Ship Unfiltered Flathub by Default”, which criticized the lack of progress with it, as well as addressing one of the “legal concerns” (2022/12/06):

https://tesk.page/2022/12/06/where-fedora-linux-could-improve/#only-ship-unfiltered-flathub-by-default

(Side note: I’ve also heard from Flathub folks that they received legal advice in regards to these issues.)

This led to some community members to react and start the Flatpak SIG project, to accelerate development — 2 days after my blog post (2022/12/08):

https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=SIGs/Flatpak&oldid=662603

Then, a Matrix room was (finally) created and publicly available (2022/12/10):

https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=SIGs/Flatpak&diff=prev&oldid=663009

By the way, I was never reached out or invited to join the SIG, despite putting in so much effort and time to accelerate development.

However, despite that, I still tried to participate in the project, and added myself to the SIG as well:

https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=SIGs/Flatpak&diff=prev&oldid=663089

Any of my suggestions then were either rejected with no proper explanation, shrugged off, or sent to /dev/null. And whenever I asked for source for obvious misinformation, it would be dismissed.

I tried to push Fedora Flatpaks in a direction that would have been less controversial and more productive by limiting its scope, which would also enable us to allocate more resources on other stuff. However, once again, I wasn’t really taken seriously; at least I personally don’t feel like so.

Eventually, I lost every last bit of interest and removed myself from the SIG (2023/02/20):

https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=SIGs/Flatpak&diff=prev&oldid=669108

All this to say, I tried really hard to keep my opinions to myself, and communicate diplomatically with them; I even wrote articles after doing several hours of researches in the span of weeks to show my interest, but I was treated extremely unfairly in return. So this naturally led me to one conclusion which I still hold today: they’re not looking for diplomacy; they just want to do whatever they want, even if it ends up upsetting/hurting people and projects’ image — I have the same sentiment with RPM packagers, too.

#Fedora #Flatpak #Flathub #Flatpaks

Taking the liberty to cross-post my involvement with Fedora Flatpaks; originally posted on Fedora Discourse.

4 years ago, I discovered Fedora Flatpaks, and developed a strong interest with the tech and approach behind it. After having a thorough understanding of it, I wrote two detailed articles about Fedora Flatpaks:

• https://fedoramagazine.org/an-introduction-to-fedora-flatpaks/ (2021/12/22)
• https://fedoramagazine.org/comparison-of-fedora-flatpaks-and-flathub-remotes/ (2022/02/09)

Mind you, I also designed the banners (just highlighting how much I cared about promoting it back then).

I also asked to open a Matrix room (2022/01/01), which was rejected:

https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/matrix-room-request-for-fedora-flatpaks/35622

As time went by, I started losing interest, because there wasn’t much progress with the project, and it was duplicating effort that could have otherwise heavily benefited Flathub and every party involved (GNOME, KDE, elementary, freedesktop.org, Endless Foundation, etc.), which would have benefited Fedora, too.

This realization led me to write “Where Fedora Linux Could Improve § Only Ship Unfiltered Flathub by Default”, which criticized the lack of progress with it, as well as addressing one of the “legal concerns” (2022/12/06):

https://tesk.page/2022/12/06/where-fedora-linux-could-improve/#only-ship-unfiltered-flathub-by-default

(Side note: I’ve also heard from Flathub folks that they received legal advice in regards to these issues.)

This led to some community members to react and start the Flatpak SIG project, to accelerate development — 2 days after my blog post (2022/12/08):

https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=SIGs/Flatpak&oldid=662603

Then, a Matrix room was (finally) created and publicly available (2022/12/10):

https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=SIGs/Flatpak&diff=prev&oldid=663009

By the way, I was never reached out or invited to join the SIG, despite putting in so much effort and time to accelerate development.

However, despite that, I still tried to participate in the project, and added myself to the SIG as well:

https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=SIGs/Flatpak&diff=prev&oldid=663089

Any of my suggestions then were either rejected with no proper explanation, shrugged off, or sent to /dev/null. And whenever I asked for source for obvious misinformation, it would be dismissed.

I tried to push Fedora Flatpaks in a direction that would have been less controversial and more productive by limiting its scope, which would also enable us to allocate more resources on other stuff. However, once again, I wasn’t really taken seriously; at least I personally don’t feel like so.

Eventually, I lost every last bit of interest and removed myself from the SIG (2023/02/20):

https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=SIGs/Flatpak&diff=prev&oldid=669108

All this to say, I tried really hard to keep my opinions to myself, and communicate diplomatically with them; I even wrote articles after doing several hours of researches in the span of weeks to show my interest, but I was treated extremely unfairly in return. So this naturally led me to one conclusion which I still hold today: they’re not looking for diplomacy; they just want to do whatever they want, even if it ends up upsetting/hurting people and projects’ image — I have the same sentiment with RPM packagers, too.

#Fedora #Flatpak #Flathub #Flatpaks

Taking the liberty to cross-post my involvement with Fedora Flatpaks; originally posted on Fedora Discourse.

4 years ago, I discovered Fedora Flatpaks, and developed a strong interest with the tech and approach behind it. After having a thorough understanding of it, I wrote two detailed articles about Fedora Flatpaks:

• https://fedoramagazine.org/an-introduction-to-fedora-flatpaks/ (2021/12/22)
• https://fedoramagazine.org/comparison-of-fedora-flatpaks-and-flathub-remotes/ (2022/02/09)

Mind you, I also designed the banners (just highlighting how much I cared about promoting it back then).

I also asked to open a Matrix room (2022/01/01), which was rejected:

https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/matrix-room-request-for-fedora-flatpaks/35622

As time went by, I started losing interest, because there wasn’t much progress with the project, and it was duplicating effort that could have otherwise heavily benefited Flathub and every party involved (GNOME, KDE, elementary, freedesktop.org, Endless Foundation, etc.), which would have benefited Fedora, too.

This realization led me to write “Where Fedora Linux Could Improve § Only Ship Unfiltered Flathub by Default”, which criticized the lack of progress with it, as well as addressing one of the “legal concerns” (2022/12/06):

https://tesk.page/2022/12/06/where-fedora-linux-could-improve/#only-ship-unfiltered-flathub-by-default

(Side note: I’ve also heard from Flathub folks that they received legal advice in regards to these issues.)

This led to some community members to react and start the Flatpak SIG project, to accelerate development — 2 days after my blog post (2022/12/08):

https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=SIGs/Flatpak&oldid=662603

Then, a Matrix room was (finally) created and publicly available (2022/12/10):

https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=SIGs/Flatpak&diff=prev&oldid=663009

By the way, I was never reached out or invited to join the SIG, despite putting in so much effort and time to accelerate development.

However, despite that, I still tried to participate in the project, and added myself to the SIG as well:

https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=SIGs/Flatpak&diff=prev&oldid=663089

Any of my suggestions then were either rejected with no proper explanation, shrugged off, or sent to /dev/null. And whenever I asked for source for obvious misinformation, it would be dismissed.

I tried to push Fedora Flatpaks in a direction that would have been less controversial and more productive by limiting its scope, which would also enable us to allocate more resources on other stuff. However, once again, I wasn’t really taken seriously; at least I personally don’t feel like so.

Eventually, I lost every last bit of interest and removed myself from the SIG (2023/02/20):

https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=SIGs/Flatpak&diff=prev&oldid=669108

All this to say, I tried really hard to keep my opinions to myself, and communicate diplomatically with them; I even wrote articles after doing several hours of researches in the span of weeks to show my interest, but I was treated extremely unfairly in return. So this naturally led me to one conclusion which I still hold today: they’re not looking for diplomacy; they just want to do whatever they want, even if it ends up upsetting/hurting people and projects’ image — I have the same sentiment with RPM packagers, too.

#Fedora #Flatpak #Flathub #Flatpaks

@conejo @cas Best long term alternative may be to gradually migrate to native Linux apps (and #flatpaks) and web apps.

I'm daily driving a #Librem5 with #postmarketOS this way with no reliance on Waydroid.

@conejo @cas Best long term alternative may be to gradually migrate to native Linux apps (and #flatpaks) and web apps.

I'm daily driving a #Librem5 with #postmarketOS this way with no reliance on Waydroid.

@conejo @cas Best long term alternative may be to gradually migrate to native Linux apps (and #flatpaks) and web apps.

I'm daily driving a #Librem5 with #postmarketOS this way with no reliance on Waydroid.

@conejo @cas Best long term alternative may be to gradually migrate to native Linux apps (and #flatpaks) and web apps.

I'm daily driving a #Librem5 with #postmarketOS this way with no reliance on Waydroid.

@conejo @cas Best long term alternative may be to gradually migrate to native Linux apps (and #flatpaks) and web apps.

I'm daily driving a #Librem5 with #postmarketOS this way with no reliance on Waydroid.

Maybe an unpopular opinion. But as someone who was very skeptical at first, I believe that #Flatpaks have been a net positive for #Linux in terms of making a new users choice of distro less crucial and therefore easing the barrier to entry for curious windows users.

Maybe an unpopular opinion. But as someone who was very skeptical at first, I believe that #Flatpaks have been a net positive for #Linux in terms of making a new users choice of distro less crucial and therefore easing the barrier to entry for curious windows users.

Maybe an unpopular opinion. But as someone who was very skeptical at first, I believe that #Flatpaks have been a net positive for #Linux in terms of making a new users choice of distro less crucial and therefore easing the barrier to entry for curious windows users.

Maybe an unpopular opinion. But as someone who was very skeptical at first, I believe that #Flatpaks have been a net positive for #Linux in terms of making a new users choice of distro less crucial and therefore easing the barrier to entry for curious windows users.

Maybe an unpopular opinion. But as someone who was very skeptical at first, I believe that #Flatpaks have been a net positive for #Linux in terms of making a new users choice of distro less crucial and therefore easing the barrier to entry for curious windows users.

I find it funny, that my personal way of using #linux totally changed.

1) away from using tiling manager to floating stuff like #gnome.
I really thing #gnome is such a great system, which lacks just a few things, that can be added by extensions.

2) using a stable distro like #debian and use #flatpaks for apss

I find it funny, that my personal way of using #linux totally changed.

1) away from using tiling manager to floating stuff like #gnome.
I really thing #gnome is such a great system, which lacks just a few things, that can be added by extensions.

2) using a stable distro like #debian and use #flatpaks for apss

I find it funny, that my personal way of using #linux totally changed.

1) away from using tiling manager to floating stuff like #gnome.
I really thing #gnome is such a great system, which lacks just a few things, that can be added by extensions.

2) using a stable distro like #debian and use #flatpaks for apss

I find it funny, that my personal way of using #linux totally changed.

1) away from using tiling manager to floating stuff like #gnome.
I really thing #gnome is such a great system, which lacks just a few things, that can be added by extensions.

2) using a stable distro like #debian and use #flatpaks for apss

I find it funny, that my personal way of using #linux totally changed.

1) away from using tiling manager to floating stuff like #gnome.
I really thing #gnome is such a great system, which lacks just a few things, that can be added by extensions.

2) using a stable distro like #debian and use #flatpaks for apss