#charactercount — Public Fediverse posts
Live and recent posts from across the Fediverse tagged #charactercount, aggregated by home.social.
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A Multitude of Misfits: Disney's Ever-Expanding Character Lexicon
Disney has more than 190 characters, from Mickey Mouse to new ones like Meilin Lee. It's hard to remember them all. See why this matters.
#DisneyCharacters, #MickeyMouse, #AnimatedMovies, #DisneyFandom, #CharacterCount
https://newsletter.tf/disney-characters-over-190-hard-to-remember/
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A Multitude of Misfits: Disney's Ever-Expanding Character Lexicon
Disney has more than 190 characters, from Mickey Mouse to new ones like Meilin Lee. It's hard to remember them all. See why this matters.
#DisneyCharacters, #MickeyMouse, #AnimatedMovies, #DisneyFandom, #CharacterCount
https://newsletter.tf/disney-characters-over-190-hard-to-remember/
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Disney now has over 190 characters, which is a lot more than many people think. This makes it hard to keep track of everyone.
#DisneyCharacters, #MickeyMouse, #AnimatedMovies, #DisneyFandom, #CharacterCount
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Disney now has over 190 characters, which is a lot more than many people think. This makes it hard to keep track of everyone.
#DisneyCharacters, #MickeyMouse, #AnimatedMovies, #DisneyFandom, #CharacterCount
https://newsletter.tf/disney-characters-over-190-hard-to-remember/ -
Easily Count Characters And Words In Text Files Using Python #Python #Script #Wordcount #Charactercount #CLI
https://ostechnix.com/count-characters-and-words-in-text-files-using-python/ -
When you've just written a post or a comment.
When you discover it's over 500 characters.
When you start pondering how you could shorten it to appease Mastodon users.
And when you decide that it's much easier to add the#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPostfilter-triggering hashtags and, if it's a post, a Mastodon-style long-post content warning in the summary.
#FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Hashtag #Hashtags #HashtagMeta #CWHashtagMeta #CharacterCount #500Characters -
@Panos Damelos (Catodon) :catodon: What's even worse is that just about everyone who joined the Fediverse in the last two years did so with the belief that the Fediverse is Mastodon, i.e. the Fediverse is nothing more than micro-blogging with a maximum of 500 characters.
Many more still believe so than you may think. And I'm not talking about total newbies, but even about second-wave Twitter refugees who came here right after Musk had bought the birdsite.
For others, the first encounter with an over-500-character post was not only completely unexpected, catching them entirely off-guard, but utterly shocking and disturbing.
Now they want their nice, friendly, cosy, fluffy, comfy Fediverse back that's only vanilla Mastodon.
A few actually want a total, absolute, Fediverse-wide ban on posts over 500 characters. Others are looking for technical means that block any and all posts with over 500 characters server-side, and I think they aren't limited to those still stuck on the official phone app that doesn't fold longer posts in because it was built not only against only Mastodon, but against Mastodon being the only Fediverse project.
As long as they don't get that, they complain and mute or out-right block anyone from whom they spot a post with over 500 characters in their federated timeline. And I guess they're so numerous after all that this behaviour cuts deep into the range of everyone who isn't on vanilla Mastodon.
This exactly is why I always add the hashtags #Long, #LongPost, #CWLong and #CWLongPost to everything that goes out of here that exceeds 500 characters. Raw count in a text editor, not fancy Mastodon way of counting. And if it's a post as opposed to a comment, I also add a Mastodon-style CW like "CW: long (5,204 characters)" although Hubzilla a) doesn't have Mastodon-style CWs in the summary field as part of its culture and b) has something much better instead.
Still, hardly anyone reads these posts.
It really seems like the only way to get my posts significant exposure on Mastodon is by actually staying below 500. Considering the amount of hashtags I need for my posts to both be discoverable and trigger filters, and considering that I didn't come from 140/280 characters to 500 characters, but I'm used to not having a character limit, it's a struggle. I often end up giving up, exceeding 500 characters and pulling all long post warning stops because that's easier for me.
It doesn't help that everyone who joins Mastodon believes that Eugen Rochko has invented the Fediverse. Bonus points for Rochko having invented both Mastodon and the Fediverse in 2022 as a reaction upon Musk's announcement to buy out Twitter. If they haven't heard of it any earlier, it probably hasn't existed any earlier.
When they're wondering what kind of witchcraft you're pulling off with your impossibly long post, not to mention stuff like bold type or italics or a bullet-point list, and you've managed to get into their heads that you are, in fact, not on Mastodon, they still think that whatever you're on was bolted onto Mastodon by someone.
Even if you manage to convince them that, no, what you're using is being developed entirely independently from Mastodon, they still think it was made after Mastodon. And they wonder why it deviates so much from Mastodon instead of mimicking it. Or why it exists at all if there's already Mastodon.
However, this also means that they see everything in the Fediverse that isn't Mastodon as an intruder in Mastodon's Fediverse because, of course, Mastodon was here first. And everything that isn't Mastodon has to conform to Mastodon's unwritten rules and adopt Mastodon's culture. In fact, if something isn't Mastodon, it isn't allowed to have its own culture if that culture differs from Mastodon's.
This also means that nothing that isn't Mastodon is allowed to make use of any features that Mastodon itself doesn't have because they disturb some Mastodonians.
Of course, at this point, you could and actually should tell them the truth.
Rochko did, in fact, not invent the Fediverse. Because when Mastodon was launched, the Fediverse had already existed for about eight years. Without Rochko's doing.
When Mastodon was launched, it immediately connected itself to StatusNet, Friendica, Hubzilla and Pleroma. The last three of these are actually still around, still part of the Fediverse, and Mastodon is still connected to them.
So, you should ask them, why do you think Friendica would accept to throw six years more worth of culture than Mastodon has and 80% of its features out of the window and start behaving like a Mastodon clone?
If they don't block you on the spot for not unconditionally surrendering to the new Mastodon overlords, you could try to compare the pre-Mastodon Fediverse projects to Native Americans and Mastodon to white European colonists.
Oh, and by the way: Before Mastodon, character limits in general were an exception rather than the standard, especially if Diaspora* is taken into account.
#FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #NotOnlyMastodon #MastodonIsNotTheFediverse #FediverseIsNotMastodon #CharacterCount #CharacterLimit #CharacterLimits #500Characters -
@morph But not everyone uses Fedilab.
Especially newbies who think the Fediverse is only the nice and cosy and fluffy Mastodon they've just discovered are often on the official app. The offical app doesn't fold long posts in. If I post 77,000 characters, and I have posted 77,000 characters in the past, users of this app get all 77,000 characters onto their screens with no way to fold them in.
I'm not sure, but I think TootSuite doesn't roll long posts in either.
The Web UI folds posts over 2,000 characters in to a length of ca. 1,500 characters. That's still way over the 500 characters that your typical Twitter-to-Mastodon refugee expects to be the Fediverse-wide upper limit.
As for literally nobody being disturbed about posts over 500 characters, here are a few quote-posts of actual Mastodon posts. These aren't the only two people upset about over-500-character posts; there are plenty more, but they're hard to find with hashtag searches.
Citizen.Coping wrote the following post Wed, 20 Mar 2024 23:24:21 +0100 @Gargron
Being able to mute or filter posts that exceed 500 characters would be great.
Search is not good because it returns too many dissertations.
benjaminbuse wrote the following post Tue, 29 Aug 2023 09:33:49 +0200 Always disappointed when people exceed #500Characters reminds of when #twitter brought out paid subscription with longer #CharacterLimit
500 characters is lengthy micro blogging, longer is not
The freedom of different instances (servers) but I won’t favourite or boost anything exceeding 500
#LessIsMore
#ThreadsArePossible
Or look at this poll on CWs for long posts which I ran two months ago. Of 19 participants, 4 (21%) want CWs for posts over 500 characters, and 1 (5%) wants them banned Fediverse-wide entirely.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #CharacterCount #500Characters -
CW: Surprisingly for many of you, there are indeed people on Mastodon who have a problem with long posts over 500 characters; CW: long post (over 900 characters, over 1,200 in Mastodon count), quote-post, 19 hashtags (including 13 to trigger filters), Fediverse meta, non-Mastodon Fediverse meta, character count meta, character limit meta, over-500-characters meta, sarcasm
"Write your posts as long as you want," they say.
"Don't be apologetic about it," they say.
"Literally everyone in the whole Fediverse has gotten used to posts over 500 characters, and nobody minds anymore," they say.
"Literally everyone on Mastodon is perfectly okay with all of Hubzilla's antics," they say.
"Nobody wants the Fediverse to only be vanilla Mastodon," they say.
Oh, really? Then I've probably faked this shared post here.
Citizen.Coping wrote the following post Wed, 20 Mar 2024 23:24:21 +0100 @Gargron
Being able to mute or filter posts that exceed 500 characters would be great.
Search is not good because it returns too many dissertations.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LongPosts #LongToots #LongPostMeta #CWLongPostMeta #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #QuotePost #QuoteBoost #CharacterCount #CharacterLimit #CharacterLimits #500Characters #Sarcasm -
CW: Votes about long-post CWs are in, and pondering my own consequences; CW: long (almost 5,000 characters), Fediverse meta, non-Mastodon Fediverse meta, content warning meta, long post meta
Votes are in for another poll. This time it was about whether or not long posts should have a content warning.
The majority of Mastodon voters (9 of 14) voted against it, but roughly one out of three Mastodon voters voted in favour of it.
Even if I'll definitely ignore the one voter who wants posts over 500 characters banned all over the entire Fediverse, I'm not sure what to make of it myself. I mean, I almost always post over 500 characters.
On the one hand, content warnings for over 500 characters have their place. There seems to be at least one app that was built under the assumption that the Fediverse is only vanilla Mastodon, and there will never be over 500 characters in the Fediverse, so folding posts is unnecessary. Thus, it can't fold posts, and it shows all posts at their full length. Other frontends may offer the option to always unfold all posts, and users who thought that no post will ever exceed 500 character anyway have chosen that option.
I've only got one way to keep my posts from showing up in their timelines as gigantic walls of texts, and that's a summary which appears as a content warning on Mastodon. In fact, I've always added the character count, so people know beforehand if that post has only 700 character or over 75,000, and they can decide whether or not to open it. And yes, I've once posted over 77,000 characters in one post.
On the other hand, I guess that Mastodon users are blocking me left and right for my long posts anyway, regardless of whether or not I issue a content warning. I think there are tens of thousands of Mastodon users who have blocked me meanwhile.
The worst offenders, I think, have to be my rare image posts. Mastodon wants image descriptions. Image descriptions which actually describe what's in the image sufficiently both for the context and for the target audience and which also explain what the target audience doesn't know or understand. Yes, I do that, but for reasons I've already explained in an article, I always have a lot to describe and explain. This, however, means that I regularly put more characters into the description of one image than many prolific alt-text writers on Mastodon put into all their alt-texts of one whole month. And such a description can only go one place. That isn't the alt-text, that's the post.
So if I don't describe my images, my image posts may not be boosted, and Mastodon users may pester me to write alt-texts. But when I do describe my images, the posts aren't boosted either due to being too long and not even interesting, and Mastodon users block me out-right for excessively long posts. A content warning won't change anything.
Besides, I can't put Mastodon-style content warnings on replies anyway. On Hubzilla, replies aren't just posts like any other post. Hubzilla is not a Twitter clone. On Hubzilla, replies are comments like blog comments or Facebook comments or Tumblr comments. They even have their own dedicated entry masks while Mastodon has one for everything. And those entry masks don't have a summary field which is the same as Mastodon's CW field. I mean, who would put a summary on a blog comment?
Lastly, no warnings for my long posts reduces the effort for me. See, Hubzilla doesn't have a character counter, not in the post editor and not in the comment editor either. It doesn't need a character counter. It doesn't have any character limit to worry about.
So whenever I write a post, I generate a preview, then I copy the preview into a text editor, e.g. Mousepad, then I count the characters. And if they're over 500, I write a summary including a "CW: long ([insert rough or exact character count here] characters)" content warning and the four hashtags #Long, #LongPost, #CWLong and #CWLongPost for those who have filters for long posts which either remove them entirely or generate content warnings for them. So my long posts always grow longer by another 36 characters due to these hashtags. But I guess nobody filters either of these hashtags anyway.
I think I don't have to do either if people block me for my long posts anyway. I mean, I'll go on issuing content warnings for what might disturb Mastodon users; see this very post. And I'll go on issuing them two-fold, both as a Mastodon-style CW in the summary field and as filter-triggering hashtags. But maybe long-post warnings are ultimately useless because they don't change anything.
P.S.: Of course, non-Mastodon users don't care either way. My fellows on Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) are used to massive walls of texts as regular posts because that has been part of their culture since 2010. They can't see how this could possibly be a problem. People on Misskey and the Forkeys are used to long posts, too, and besides, the *keys apparently reject posts with over 10,000 characters anyway.
#FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #CharacterCount #CW #CWs #ContentWarning #ContentWarnings #CWMeta #ContentWarningMeta #LongPosts #LongPostMeta -
CW: Hubzilla delivery report revealed that Misskey and the Forkeys refuse to accept 26,000-character posts; CW: long (1,300 characters), Fediverse meta, non-Mastodon Fediverse meta, character limit meta
I've recently sent a post with 26,000+ characters. The delivery report tells me that every last *key instance had problems with it.
They often rejected it entirely with an error 413. (delivery rejected: 413 {"statusCode":413,"code":"FST_ERR_CTP_BODY_TOO_LARGE","error":"Payload Too Large","message":"Re)
This means that Misskey and the Forkeys have a hard limit not at 50,000 characters as I previously thought, but at 25,000 characters, 20,000 characters or even lower, and they refuse to accept any incoming objects that are longer. I mean, I know that Mastodon has a 100,000-character limit that acts the same, and I think I've read that so have Pleroma and Akkoma, but that limit has to be ridiculously low. Essentially, I can barely send virtual world pictures with sufficient image descriptions out to Misskey and the Forkeys.
Of course, this stays largely unnoticed because there are only so many users in the Fediverse who a) write posts that grow that long and b) have access to delivery reports for their own posts. Another advantage of being on Hubzilla.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #CharacterCount #CharacterLimit #CharacterLimits #Mastodon #Pleroma #Akkoma #Misskey #Forkeys #Firefish #Iceshrimp #Sharkey #Catodon #Hajkey