#biodiversitycollapse — Public Fediverse posts

@aurochs @condret @carnage4life The problem is that we also can't increase the overall complexity of our systems any longer, and we won't even be able to sustain our current complexity much longer because of all the cumulative damage "we" (the people of the industrialised countries) have done to the Earth's systems within the last roughly 250 years, which will take at least tens of thousands of years to heal.
Don't trust economists, they don't even know about all the things the planet does for us for free, they don't live in the real world but in a ficticious universe where everything can be replaced with something else, and where the climate doesn't influence the economy very much because most of it takes place inside factory buildings. Even Marxist economists underestimate the economic impacts of the #BiodiversityCollapse aka the #SixthExtinction and the escalating #ClimateChaos all around us, and non-Marxist economists are generally lost and shouldn't be taken seriously.

Besides, economists tend to see the economy as something fundamental, while in the real world, it is a system of the highest order which only exists because of all the really fundamental systems underneath, and the fact that economists and their way of thinking about the world have gained utter control of the higher levels of politics is one of the reasons why everything is going to hell.

We are just primates like all the others, upright walking naked apes with huge swollen mutant brains that need a lot of fat and protein in order to function properly, and we should all panic because of all the primate populations that are collapsing all over the planet. This planet is rapidly becoming a much worse place for monkeys, and we're basically just mostly hairless monkeys wearing all kinds of artficial fur, it means that this planet is becoming a much worse place for US. I absolutely expect the human population to a billion or less within the next 150-200 years, we'll likely lose 2-3 billion within the coming 50 years. It might even be a billion more, that all depends on how long the rich countries can stop climate migrants from crossing their borders; the sooner nation-states just collapse and cease to exist, the more people will be able to migrate successfully, and the fewer will die.

#Capitalism won't end in a glorious proletarian revolution, it will end in its own #collapse and that of all the civilisations it has permeated, and the reason for this is that, even if Marx didn't want to hear it, the basic ideas of Malthus and Darwin weren't wrong at all. There are limits to everything, and while it is possible to overshoot them for a while, doing so for a prolonged time inevitably ends in collapse. Humankind has been in overshoot for decades, and it's getting worse. With a saner economy than the malignant growth that is Capitalism, we might be able to feed 10 billion for a while, but the damage we have already done means that we won't be able to feed those 10 billion people forever anymore, and therefore, our numbers _will_ shrink. Everything that might be done to stop this collective madness would immediately plunge the world economy into chaos and make all the rich people much poorer, which is why they will do everything they can to install some kind of fascist or neo-feudal system before that happens. They don't care if six billion people die as long as they an stay filthy rich for a little while longer, and many even think they can become the cyberlords of the neo-feudal cyberpunk nightmare world. What they don't understand is that the cyberpunk world itself is still an early stage of the ongoing collapse, and that it won't end until all that's left is a bunch of post-collapse tribes, if we don't just go extinct altogether.

tl;dr: There are hard limits. We have exceeded those limits. We have been damaging all kinds of natural systems on which we depend, like the biosphere and the climate. Chaos is escalating and will continue to escalate no matter what we do, and the behaviour of all kinds of complex systems will become much harder to predict, much less reliable.

#πολυκρίσης #polykrisis #polycrisis

@aurochs @condret @carnage4life The problem is that we also can't increase the overall complexity of our systems any longer, and we won't even be able to sustain our current complexity much longer because of all the cumulative damage "we" (the people of the industrialised countries) have done to the Earth's systems within the last roughly 250 years, which will take at least tens of thousands of years to heal.
Don't trust economists, they don't even know about all the things the planet does for us for free, they don't live in the real world but in a ficticious universe where everything can be replaced with something else, and where the climate doesn't influence the economy very much because most of it takes place inside factory buildings. Even Marxist economists underestimate the economic impacts of the #BiodiversityCollapse aka the #SixthExtinction and the escalating #ClimateChaos all around us, and non-Marxist economists are generally lost and shouldn't be taken seriously.

Besides, economists tend to see the economy as something fundamental, while in the real world, it is a system of the highest order which only exists because of all the really fundamental systems underneath, and the fact that economists and their way of thinking about the world have gained utter control of the higher levels of politics is one of the reasons why everything is going to hell.

We are just primates like all the others, upright walking naked apes with huge swollen mutant brains that need a lot of fat and protein in order to function properly, and we should all panic because of all the primate populations that are collapsing all over the planet. This planet is rapidly becoming a much worse place for monkeys, and we're basically just mostly hairless monkeys wearing all kinds of artficial fur, it means that this planet is becoming a much worse place for US. I absolutely expect the human population to a billion or less within the next 150-200 years, we'll likely lose 2-3 billion within the coming 50 years. It might even be a billion more, that all depends on how long the rich countries can stop climate migrants from crossing their borders; the sooner nation-states just collapse and cease to exist, the more people will be able to migrate successfully, and the fewer will die.

#Capitalism won't end in a glorious proletarian revolution, it will end in its own #collapse and that of all the civilisations it has permeated, and the reason for this is that, even if Marx didn't want to hear it, the basic ideas of Malthus and Darwin weren't wrong at all. There are limits to everything, and while it is possible to overshoot them for a while, doing so for a prolonged time inevitably ends in collapse. Humankind has been in overshoot for decades, and it's getting worse. With a saner economy than the malignant growth that is Capitalism, we might be able to feed 10 billion for a while, but the damage we have already done means that we won't be able to feed those 10 billion people forever anymore, and therefore, our numbers _will_ shrink. Everything that might be done to stop this collective madness would immediately plunge the world economy into chaos and make all the rich people much poorer, which is why they will do everything they can to install some kind of fascist or neo-feudal system before that happens. They don't care if six billion people die as long as they an stay filthy rich for a little while longer, and many even think they can become the cyberlords of the neo-feudal cyberpunk nightmare world. What they don't understand is that the cyberpunk world itself is still an early stage of the ongoing collapse, and that it won't end until all that's left is a bunch of post-collapse tribes, if we don't just go extinct altogether.

tl;dr: There are hard limits. We have exceeded those limits. We have been damaging all kinds of natural systems on which we depend, like the biosphere and the climate. Chaos is escalating and will continue to escalate no matter what we do, and the behaviour of all kinds of complex systems will become much harder to predict, much less reliable.

#πολυκρίσης #polykrisis #polycrisis

We can either have sustainability, or we can have a world in which everything is electronic and digital and connected to everything and "intelligent" and so on, where everybody drives around in an electric car, but which suddenly collapses, maybe next Thursday, maybe 25 years from now.
The real problem is growth, which has become virtually impossible. We can't grow the economy anymore, the economy is already far too big for the planet, and whatever some marketing bastards tell you about #TheCloud or how digital devices are so bloody efficient, don't believe them.
People only look at how much electricity devices use. They don't look at how much of which raw material goes into the production, what kind of dangerous chemicals are used in the process, where the energy for processing the materials comes from (a lot of it is heat, not electricity), and which ecosystems get damaged by which partial process in what kind of manner.
We won't solve anything if we just replace internal combustion engines with electric motors and tanks with batteries, we'll just continue in our rape of Mother Earth, only on a slightly different path.

Our entire way of life is unsustainable. There is no magical technology that can fix this; in fact, every tiny bit of technological complexity we add to the mix makes everything just more fragile, more likely to collapse. I don't believe there is any way we can avoid the upcoming End of the Industrial Age. However, there are still pathways on which our civilisation ends in a slow decline over the next two or three centuries, and there are others in which we just drop off a cliff and civilisation is over within a few decades, peaking in some kind of cataclysm.

And we won't avoid the apocalypse if we continue to tell ourselves we can just consume our way out of the #Polycrisis by making "sustainable" consumer choices. You can't buy a better tomorrow, tomorrow will be bleak and ugly no matter what we do because today is already bleak and ugly, we just choose to hide it behind the curtain. Industrial civilisation is an attempt to build an entirely man-made world and keep the real world out. It has been fuelled by fossil carbon, beginning with coal, then adding oil and gas to the mix. It has been destroying the real world, the living world, all the fucking time. We didn't want to see the land around us suffer, so we created nature reserves and planted entire new "forests" (as if a hundred year old tree plantation could replace an ecosystem that had grown for a thousand years or many), stopped dumping toxic chemicals in the rivers, and just let that kind of shit happen where only poor people live because nobody cares about the poor, anyway, especially when they're not even White.

We're living on the last scraps. We're dependent on huge masses of very rare elements and gigantic masses of more common ones, we're digging up entire landscapes to get all those sweet, sweet metals, and people keep dreaming about asteroid mining to avoid facing the fact we're running out. And at the same time, we let economists run our world. People who believe that the economy can exist even if the ecology collapses, because they totally ignore the simple fact that we are just monkey, we are upright walking storytelling naked apes, we have the same needs and wants and drives and emotions and instincts as bonobos and chimpanzees, and we're living on the same fucking planet where non-human primates are dying, their numbers are dwindling. Why isn't anybody worried about that? A planet that is bad for primates is bad for us because we are bloody primates.

If you look closely at all the technology which is marketed as "sustainable", you will notice that if yu look at the entire production process, it is everything but. Using things that are a lot less bad than what we're doing today is a huge improvement, of course, but it means that we're still following the wrong road, just at a slower speed. The entire concepts around which our civilisation has organised itself are unsustainable, that's the bitter truth. This civilisation must inevitably end, one way or another. If we want it to end by slowly petering out while new civilisations grow from the widening cracks, we need a revolution which ends #Capitalism on a global scale ASAP, and which rapidly dismantles nation-states, replacing them with a federation of small collectives of humans that share the same landscape, collectives which will then figure out ways of repairing and restoring the ecosystem of which they are an essential part. Industrial design must change significantly, putting the longevity and repairability of complex artifacts at a very high priority in order to reduce overall production.

Sorry for the long rant. #climatechaos #ecocide #extinction #biodiversitycollapse #collapse #mining #asteroidmining

We can either have sustainability, or we can have a world in which everything is electronic and digital and connected to everything and "intelligent" and so on, where everybody drives around in an electric car, but which suddenly collapses, maybe next Thursday, maybe 25 years from now.
The real problem is growth, which has become virtually impossible. We can't grow the economy anymore, the economy is already far too big for the planet, and whatever some marketing bastards tell you about #TheCloud or how digital devices are so bloody efficient, don't believe them.
People only look at how much electricity devices use. They don't look at how much of which raw material goes into the production, what kind of dangerous chemicals are used in the process, where the energy for processing the materials comes from (a lot of it is heat, not electricity), and which ecosystems get damaged by which partial process in what kind of manner.
We won't solve anything if we just replace internal combustion engines with electric motors and tanks with batteries, we'll just continue in our rape of Mother Earth, only on a slightly different path.

Our entire way of life is unsustainable. There is no magical technology that can fix this; in fact, every tiny bit of technological complexity we add to the mix makes everything just more fragile, more likely to collapse. I don't believe there is any way we can avoid the upcoming End of the Industrial Age. However, there are still pathways on which our civilisation ends in a slow decline over the next two or three centuries, and there are others in which we just drop off a cliff and civilisation is over within a few decades, peaking in some kind of cataclysm.

And we won't avoid the apocalypse if we continue to tell ourselves we can just consume our way out of the #Polycrisis by making "sustainable" consumer choices. You can't buy a better tomorrow, tomorrow will be bleak and ugly no matter what we do because today is already bleak and ugly, we just choose to hide it behind the curtain. Industrial civilisation is an attempt to build an entirely man-made world and keep the real world out. It has been fuelled by fossil carbon, beginning with coal, then adding oil and gas to the mix. It has been destroying the real world, the living world, all the fucking time. We didn't want to see the land around us suffer, so we created nature reserves and planted entire new "forests" (as if a hundred year old tree plantation could replace an ecosystem that had grown for a thousand years or many), stopped dumping toxic chemicals in the rivers, and just let that kind of shit happen where only poor people live because nobody cares about the poor, anyway, especially when they're not even White.

We're living on the last scraps. We're dependent on huge masses of very rare elements and gigantic masses of more common ones, we're digging up entire landscapes to get all those sweet, sweet metals, and people keep dreaming about asteroid mining to avoid facing the fact we're running out. And at the same time, we let economists run our world. People who believe that the economy can exist even if the ecology collapses, because they totally ignore the simple fact that we are just monkey, we are upright walking storytelling naked apes, we have the same needs and wants and drives and emotions and instincts as bonobos and chimpanzees, and we're living on the same fucking planet where non-human primates are dying, their numbers are dwindling. Why isn't anybody worried about that? A planet that is bad for primates is bad for us because we are bloody primates.

If you look closely at all the technology which is marketed as "sustainable", you will notice that if yu look at the entire production process, it is everything but. Using things that are a lot less bad than what we're doing today is a huge improvement, of course, but it means that we're still following the wrong road, just at a slower speed. The entire concepts around which our civilisation has organised itself are unsustainable, that's the bitter truth. This civilisation must inevitably end, one way or another. If we want it to end by slowly petering out while new civilisations grow from the widening cracks, we need a revolution which ends #Capitalism on a global scale ASAP, and which rapidly dismantles nation-states, replacing them with a federation of small collectives of humans that share the same landscape, collectives which will then figure out ways of repairing and restoring the ecosystem of which they are an essential part. Industrial design must change significantly, putting the longevity and repairability of complex artifacts at a very high priority in order to reduce overall production.

Sorry for the long rant. #climatechaos #ecocide #extinction #biodiversitycollapse #collapse #mining #asteroidmining

We can either have sustainability, or we can have a world in which everything is electronic and digital and connected to everything and "intelligent" and so on, where everybody drives around in an electric car, but which suddenly collapses, maybe next Thursday, maybe 25 years from now.
The real problem is growth, which has become virtually impossible. We can't grow the economy anymore, the economy is already far too big for the planet, and whatever some marketing bastards tell you about #TheCloud or how digital devices are so bloody efficient, don't believe them.
People only look at how much electricity devices use. They don't look at how much of which raw material goes into the production, what kind of dangerous chemicals are used in the process, where the energy for processing the materials comes from (a lot of it is heat, not electricity), and which ecosystems get damaged by which partial process in what kind of manner.
We won't solve anything if we just replace internal combustion engines with electric motors and tanks with batteries, we'll just continue in our rape of Mother Earth, only on a slightly different path.

Our entire way of life is unsustainable. There is no magical technology that can fix this; in fact, every tiny bit of technological complexity we add to the mix makes everything just more fragile, more likely to collapse. I don't believe there is any way we can avoid the upcoming End of the Industrial Age. However, there are still pathways on which our civilisation ends in a slow decline over the next two or three centuries, and there are others in which we just drop off a cliff and civilisation is over within a few decades, peaking in some kind of cataclysm.

And we won't avoid the apocalypse if we continue to tell ourselves we can just consume our way out of the #Polycrisis by making "sustainable" consumer choices. You can't buy a better tomorrow, tomorrow will be bleak and ugly no matter what we do because today is already bleak and ugly, we just choose to hide it behind the curtain. Industrial civilisation is an attempt to build an entirely man-made world and keep the real world out. It has been fuelled by fossil carbon, beginning with coal, then adding oil and gas to the mix. It has been destroying the real world, the living world, all the fucking time. We didn't want to see the land around us suffer, so we created nature reserves and planted entire new "forests" (as if a hundred year old tree plantation could replace an ecosystem that had grown for a thousand years or many), stopped dumping toxic chemicals in the rivers, and just let that kind of shit happen where only poor people live because nobody cares about the poor, anyway, especially when they're not even White.

We're living on the last scraps. We're dependent on huge masses of very rare elements and gigantic masses of more common ones, we're digging up entire landscapes to get all those sweet, sweet metals, and people keep dreaming about asteroid mining to avoid facing the fact we're running out. And at the same time, we let economists run our world. People who believe that the economy can exist even if the ecology collapses, because they totally ignore the simple fact that we are just monkey, we are upright walking storytelling naked apes, we have the same needs and wants and drives and emotions and instincts as bonobos and chimpanzees, and we're living on the same fucking planet where non-human primates are dying, their numbers are dwindling. Why isn't anybody worried about that? A planet that is bad for primates is bad for us because we are bloody primates.

If you look closely at all the technology which is marketed as "sustainable", you will notice that if yu look at the entire production process, it is everything but. Using things that are a lot less bad than what we're doing today is a huge improvement, of course, but it means that we're still following the wrong road, just at a slower speed. The entire concepts around which our civilisation has organised itself are unsustainable, that's the bitter truth. This civilisation must inevitably end, one way or another. If we want it to end by slowly petering out while new civilisations grow from the widening cracks, we need a revolution which ends #Capitalism on a global scale ASAP, and which rapidly dismantles nation-states, replacing them with a federation of small collectives of humans that share the same landscape, collectives which will then figure out ways of repairing and restoring the ecosystem of which they are an essential part. Industrial design must change significantly, putting the longevity and repairability of complex artifacts at a very high priority in order to reduce overall production.

Sorry for the long rant. #climatechaos #ecocide #extinction #biodiversitycollapse #collapse #mining #asteroidmining

We can either have sustainability, or we can have a world in which everything is electronic and digital and connected to everything and "intelligent" and so on, where everybody drives around in an electric car, but which suddenly collapses, maybe next Thursday, maybe 25 years from now.
The real problem is growth, which has become virtually impossible. We can't grow the economy anymore, the economy is already far too big for the planet, and whatever some marketing bastards tell you about #TheCloud or how digital devices are so bloody efficient, don't believe them.
People only look at how much electricity devices use. They don't look at how much of which raw material goes into the production, what kind of dangerous chemicals are used in the process, where the energy for processing the materials comes from (a lot of it is heat, not electricity), and which ecosystems get damaged by which partial process in what kind of manner.
We won't solve anything if we just replace internal combustion engines with electric motors and tanks with batteries, we'll just continue in our rape of Mother Earth, only on a slightly different path.

Our entire way of life is unsustainable. There is no magical technology that can fix this; in fact, every tiny bit of technological complexity we add to the mix makes everything just more fragile, more likely to collapse. I don't believe there is any way we can avoid the upcoming End of the Industrial Age. However, there are still pathways on which our civilisation ends in a slow decline over the next two or three centuries, and there are others in which we just drop off a cliff and civilisation is over within a few decades, peaking in some kind of cataclysm.

And we won't avoid the apocalypse if we continue to tell ourselves we can just consume our way out of the #Polycrisis by making "sustainable" consumer choices. You can't buy a better tomorrow, tomorrow will be bleak and ugly no matter what we do because today is already bleak and ugly, we just choose to hide it behind the curtain. Industrial civilisation is an attempt to build an entirely man-made world and keep the real world out. It has been fuelled by fossil carbon, beginning with coal, then adding oil and gas to the mix. It has been destroying the real world, the living world, all the fucking time. We didn't want to see the land around us suffer, so we created nature reserves and planted entire new "forests" (as if a hundred year old tree plantation could replace an ecosystem that had grown for a thousand years or many), stopped dumping toxic chemicals in the rivers, and just let that kind of shit happen where only poor people live because nobody cares about the poor, anyway, especially when they're not even White.

We're living on the last scraps. We're dependent on huge masses of very rare elements and gigantic masses of more common ones, we're digging up entire landscapes to get all those sweet, sweet metals, and people keep dreaming about asteroid mining to avoid facing the fact we're running out. And at the same time, we let economists run our world. People who believe that the economy can exist even if the ecology collapses, because they totally ignore the simple fact that we are just monkey, we are upright walking storytelling naked apes, we have the same needs and wants and drives and emotions and instincts as bonobos and chimpanzees, and we're living on the same fucking planet where non-human primates are dying, their numbers are dwindling. Why isn't anybody worried about that? A planet that is bad for primates is bad for us because we are bloody primates.

If you look closely at all the technology which is marketed as "sustainable", you will notice that if yu look at the entire production process, it is everything but. Using things that are a lot less bad than what we're doing today is a huge improvement, of course, but it means that we're still following the wrong road, just at a slower speed. The entire concepts around which our civilisation has organised itself are unsustainable, that's the bitter truth. This civilisation must inevitably end, one way or another. If we want it to end by slowly petering out while new civilisations grow from the widening cracks, we need a revolution which ends #Capitalism on a global scale ASAP, and which rapidly dismantles nation-states, replacing them with a federation of small collectives of humans that share the same landscape, collectives which will then figure out ways of repairing and restoring the ecosystem of which they are an essential part. Industrial design must change significantly, putting the longevity and repairability of complex artifacts at a very high priority in order to reduce overall production.

Sorry for the long rant. #climatechaos #ecocide #extinction #biodiversitycollapse #collapse #mining #asteroidmining

We can either have sustainability, or we can have a world in which everything is electronic and digital and connected to everything and "intelligent" and so on, where everybody drives around in an electric car, but which suddenly collapses, maybe next Thursday, maybe 25 years from now.
The real problem is growth, which has become virtually impossible. We can't grow the economy anymore, the economy is already far too big for the planet, and whatever some marketing bastards tell you about #TheCloud or how digital devices are so bloody efficient, don't believe them.
People only look at how much electricity devices use. They don't look at how much of which raw material goes into the production, what kind of dangerous chemicals are used in the process, where the energy for processing the materials comes from (a lot of it is heat, not electricity), and which ecosystems get damaged by which partial process in what kind of manner.
We won't solve anything if we just replace internal combustion engines with electric motors and tanks with batteries, we'll just continue in our rape of Mother Earth, only on a slightly different path.

Our entire way of life is unsustainable. There is no magical technology that can fix this; in fact, every tiny bit of technological complexity we add to the mix makes everything just more fragile, more likely to collapse. I don't believe there is any way we can avoid the upcoming End of the Industrial Age. However, there are still pathways on which our civilisation ends in a slow decline over the next two or three centuries, and there are others in which we just drop off a cliff and civilisation is over within a few decades, peaking in some kind of cataclysm.

And we won't avoid the apocalypse if we continue to tell ourselves we can just consume our way out of the #Polycrisis by making "sustainable" consumer choices. You can't buy a better tomorrow, tomorrow will be bleak and ugly no matter what we do because today is already bleak and ugly, we just choose to hide it behind the curtain. Industrial civilisation is an attempt to build an entirely man-made world and keep the real world out. It has been fuelled by fossil carbon, beginning with coal, then adding oil and gas to the mix. It has been destroying the real world, the living world, all the fucking time. We didn't want to see the land around us suffer, so we created nature reserves and planted entire new "forests" (as if a hundred year old tree plantation could replace an ecosystem that had grown for a thousand years or many), stopped dumping toxic chemicals in the rivers, and just let that kind of shit happen where only poor people live because nobody cares about the poor, anyway, especially when they're not even White.

We're living on the last scraps. We're dependent on huge masses of very rare elements and gigantic masses of more common ones, we're digging up entire landscapes to get all those sweet, sweet metals, and people keep dreaming about asteroid mining to avoid facing the fact we're running out. And at the same time, we let economists run our world. People who believe that the economy can exist even if the ecology collapses, because they totally ignore the simple fact that we are just monkey, we are upright walking storytelling naked apes, we have the same needs and wants and drives and emotions and instincts as bonobos and chimpanzees, and we're living on the same fucking planet where non-human primates are dying, their numbers are dwindling. Why isn't anybody worried about that? A planet that is bad for primates is bad for us because we are bloody primates.

If you look closely at all the technology which is marketed as "sustainable", you will notice that if yu look at the entire production process, it is everything but. Using things that are a lot less bad than what we're doing today is a huge improvement, of course, but it means that we're still following the wrong road, just at a slower speed. The entire concepts around which our civilisation has organised itself are unsustainable, that's the bitter truth. This civilisation must inevitably end, one way or another. If we want it to end by slowly petering out while new civilisations grow from the widening cracks, we need a revolution which ends #Capitalism on a global scale ASAP, and which rapidly dismantles nation-states, replacing them with a federation of small collectives of humans that share the same landscape, collectives which will then figure out ways of repairing and restoring the ecosystem of which they are an essential part. Industrial design must change significantly, putting the longevity and repairability of complex artifacts at a very high priority in order to reduce overall production.

Sorry for the long rant. #climatechaos #ecocide #extinction #biodiversitycollapse #collapse #mining #asteroidmining