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I've patched it so many times I now have the Extension Cord of Theseus.
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Gotta make this midsummer post regarding my "Iced tea of Theseus."
I began this one early last year, kept it going all summer, froze the last cup for the winter, then picked it up again this spring.
It's continuously variable, as the constituent tea blend evolves, but it's hit a particularly good moment just now.
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“All is change”*…
If all of the parts of a ship are sequentially replaced over time, is the resulting ship the same ship as the original? (source)The Wikipedia article on the Ship of Theseus has changed entirely since its inception.
A paradoxical thought experiment made meta: “The Same Boat,” from Greg Ross in his wonderful blog, Futility Closet.
* Euripedes, Heracles (and others, e.g., Marcus Aurelius, echoing Heraclitus)
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As we contemplate conundra, we might recall that it was on this date in 1971 that the mix was completed on David Bowie’s “Changes,” which had been recorded nine days earlier at Trident Studios in London. Co-produced by Bowie and Ken Scott, it featured Rick Wakeman on piano and the musicians who would later become known as the Spiders from Mars—Mick Ronson, Trevor Bolder and Mick Woodmansey.
“Changes” is widely considered to be one of Bowie’s best songs and has appeared on many best-of lists. His biographers have suggested that the track is a manifesto of his entire career, predicting a constant change of musical styles: the first verse focuses on the compulsive nature of artistic reinvention and distancing oneself from the rock mainstream; the second verse concerns clashes between children and their parents, urging them to allow their children to be themselves as teenagers. Bowie frequently included the song in his live performances; it was the final song he performed on stage before his death in 2016.
See Bowie perform it here.
#Changes #culture #DavidBowie #FutilityCloset #GregRoss #history #music #paradox #philosophy #ShipOfTheseus #thoughtExperiment #Wikipedia -
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Star Trek itself has become a modern retelling of the Ship of Theseus: After 60 years of changes, is it still Star Trek? -
@SnowyCA it's all about the continuity! I'm theoretically drinking a refreshing multi-years-old tea, gaining the wisdom of the ancients.
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Es sind auch noch ein paar Originalteile an Theseus Fahrrad. #ShipOfTheseus
Wenn man schon über Identität diskutieren will, dann doch über die Frage, ob dieses Rad noch das ist, das ich im Februar 2013 neu gekauft habe, oder längst ein anderes. 🤔
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@metin
And it has 10 new screens, 5 new circuit boards and 3 new cases BUT it is still the same Television. -
Sometime this spring Quasimodough turned 5 (Yes, he's a #Covid baby). He's as bubbly as ever and still makes happy bread... although, like the #ShipOfTheseus, there's not much left of his original components.
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I've got an often-patched work shirt that I like, but need to repair some more. I plan to keep patching it as long as it fits.
I'm thinking I should get one of those "Vern" style embroidered service-station name patches for it but with the name "Theseus".
It's one of those things people might see go by in public then maybe get it 30 min later and laugh. lol
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Is This Anything?
A warforged having an existential crisis after being slowly Ship-of-Theseus'ed over the last century or so.
#iTA #isThisAnything #dnd #warforged #shipoftheseus #ttrpg #existentialcrisis #identity #philosophy #characterconcept #sentientconstruct #dndideas
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Bucky Fuller had an elegant solution to the #ShipOfTheseus paradox:
Take a rope made of three braided segments, one hemp, one silk, one nylon. Tie a loose slipknot near one end. It is a knot, we can agree? And it is made of hemp.
Slide the knot, it's still a knot, slide further, it is now made of silk! But isn't it the knot you tied? Go further, YOUR knot persists, now of nylon.
In this reality Nouns are pattern integrities through which rush quantum exchanges at an alarming rate ☺️
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If you're not familiar with the Ship of Theseus (I was not until last year, believe it or not!)..
Wikipedia: "The Ship of Theseus, also known as Theseus's Paradox, is a paradox and a common thought experiment about whether an object is the same object after having all of its original components replaced over time, typically one after the other. "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus #shipoftheseus
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If I replace a single component of my @frameworkcomputer 13, is it still the same laptop? What if I replace one part after another and ended up replacing every single component over a long period time, is my laptop still my original Framework 13?
What if I had kept all of the components that I had swapped out and assembled that into a Framework 13? Which one is my original laptop?
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I'm sorry, just found out that #BlackFlag is touring and will be in #Boston (#CambridgeMA #CentralSquare) August 1st? Tickets still available - (EDIT now sold out as of 7/31) (only one bandmember still in the band, #ShipOfTheseus i guess?)
Anybody seen them recently, going this round? #BostonMusic
https://www.ticketweb.com/event/black-flag-first-four-sonia-tickets/13635573
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I often struggle with the #ShipOfTheseus problem when modeling buildings and the like in #Wikidata. At what point does something get ‘too’ different that you need to split items and link them with each other with “[structure] replaces” (P1398 or P1365) and “[structure] replaced by” (P167 or P1366) properties. 🤔
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Is it still the same draft, if every participant of the draft pod get‘s replaced by someone else? Do we name it the draft of theseus then? And do you need to change your draft set to a Theros set immediatly?
#MagicTheGathering
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"The ship on which Theseus sailed with the youths and returned in safety, the thirty-oared galley, was preserved by the Athenians down to the time of Demetrius Phalereus. They took away the old timbers from time to time, and put new and sound ones in their places, so that the vessel became a standing illustration for the philosophers in the mooted question of growth, some declaring that it remained the same, others that it was not the same vessel. " #philosophy #plato #ShipOfTheseus #theseus https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=plut.+thes.+23.1
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Are #VideoGame #remakes just an exercise in the #ShipOfTheseus thought experiment?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus
A remake literally rebuilds the original one wooden plank at a time. Developers need to figure out the "identity" of the game and stay true to it in the remake.
* If the remake is too close the original, why bother with the remake? All the planks are still deteriorated.
* If the remake is too far from the original, it's not the same game. I loved the ship's figurehead, and when you redesigned that from scratch, it might be even more beautiful, but it's no longer the same ship to me.Developing a good remake is all about rebuilding the Ship of Theseus without losing the core identity players originally connected with.
