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@microglyphics that's not a well trodden path, that's the hard one that #RobertRosen traveled on.
The Rosen never tired to explain what mathematical modelling really is, and explained how certain such methods can be used to model agents, not just mechanisms.
An approachable introduction to modeling agents is Rosen's book Anticipatory Systems (AS). He introduced the mathematical instruments more formally in Fundamentals of Measurement (FM). Second approachable attempt is in Life Itself (LI).
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Robert Rosen's approach of grounding formalization in science in the ultimate formalization, math, is as self-similar as thinking about thought.
His use of "category theory" provides a mathematical analogy to analogies.
I must confess that I need a lot of time to understand his writings - I keep learning new things every time I read it again.
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Robert Rosen's approach of grounding formalization in science in the ultimate formalization, math, is as self-similar as thinking about thought.
His use of "category theory" provides a mathematical analogy to analogies.
I must confess that I need a lot of time to understand his writings - I keep learning new things every time I read it again.
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Robert Rosen's approach of grounding formalization in science in the ultimate formalization, math, is as self-similar as thinking about thought.
His use of "category theory" provides a mathematical analogy to analogies.
I must confess that I need a lot of time to understand his writings - I keep learning new things every time I read it again.
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Robert Rosen's approach of grounding formalization in science in the ultimate formalization, math, is as self-similar as thinking about thought.
His use of "category theory" provides a mathematical analogy to analogies.
I must confess that I need a lot of time to understand his writings - I keep learning new things every time I read it again.
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Robert Rosen's approach of grounding formalization in science in the ultimate formalization, math, is as self-similar as thinking about thought.
His use of "category theory" provides a mathematical analogy to analogies.
I must confess that I need a lot of time to understand his writings - I keep learning new things every time I read it again.
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I love Robert Rosen as a teacher of math. The text below shows the analogy of formal systems to natural systems to the point that "empiricism in math" becomes a meaningful statement.
The text, by the way, extends to text as a formal system (e.g., a dictionary or an ... LLM) and what we can know about the truth value of any proposition derived from it.
#RobertRosen #AI #mathRosen, Robert. "Anticipatory systems." New York, NY: Springer New York, 2011. 313-370.
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@mc The layman might find it easier to understand what that paper contributes to the system of theories they apply for analytic or synthetic reasoning after studying Robert Rosen's usage of category theory in his works Life Itself, Anticipatory Systems (or, in a more formal way) Fundamentals of Measurement.
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@ChemicalEyeGuy @benroyce Right, Newtonian mechanics is entirely reactive. Life, on the other side, anticipates, predicts, maintains and improves a model of the world, used for prediction. Life itself is the actor that searches its goal. Life is a strategist. #RobertRosen
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#RobertRosen wrote the text below 1974 in a paper reprinted in part in Anticipatory Systems. The following analysis of 1st order #cybernetics especially as applied to the regulation of an economic system S by means of a model M of S and an effector system E (designed to modify the trajectory of states of S, as modeled in M) towards, or away from, predicted future states. It soon becomes very clear how convoluted and hazardous even the most simple cybernetic approach is.
My note: #NeoRationalism
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The difference between 1st order and 2nd order cybernetics. My recollection is that this has been pointed out at the beginning of Cybernetics (during the constituting congresses, as reported by Wiener). Wiener, on the other hand, was a black-boxing curve-fitter, not understanding that he was part of a predictive system, the model updating agent, himself.
At the MIT Wiener's ideas lived on for a long time, creating misconceptions about intelligence.
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Re-reading some of Robert Rosen's musings on the "reactive paradigm". It's striking how much this applies to LLMs and other simulators of intelligent humans reacting to "prompts". Thinking about it: Skinner is back. Believe in LLMs is Behaviorism at its best.
#RobertRosen #ai #ReactiveParadigm #blackbox #behaviorism -
Re-reading some of Robert Rosen's musings on the "reactive paradigm". It's striking how much this applies to LLMs and other simulators of intelligent humans reacting to "prompts". Thinking about it: Skinner is back. Believe in LLMs is Behaviorism at its best.
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Re-reading some of Robert Rosen's musings on the "reactive paradigm". It's striking how much this applies to LLMs and other simulators of intelligent humans reacting to "prompts". Thinking about it: Skinner is back. Believe in LLMs is Behaviorism at its best.
#RobertRosen #ai #ReactiveParadigm #blackbox #behaviorism -
Re-reading some of Robert Rosen's musings on the "reactive paradigm". It's striking how much this applies to LLMs and other simulators of intelligent humans reacting to "prompts". Thinking about it: Skinner is back. Believe in LLMs is Behaviorism at its best.
#RobertRosen #ai #ReactiveParadigm #blackbox #behaviorism -
Re-reading some of Robert Rosen's musings on the "reactive paradigm". It's striking how much this applies to LLMs and other simulators of intelligent humans reacting to "prompts". Thinking about it: Skinner is back. Believe in LLMs is Behaviorism at its best.
#RobertRosen #ai #ReactiveParadigm #blackbox #behaviorism -
I've found a reference to #RexTugwell in #RobertRosen Anticipatory Systems: #progressive politics and #cybernetics used to be tightly linked. How many more narratives of the 20th century are worth re-telling?
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In his work Anticipatory Systems, #RobertRosen carefully introduces readers with knowledge of Cybernetics to the foundations of mathematics so that the formal limits of methodological approaches like #modelling, reasoning and #deduction in their domain of #science becomes obvious. Later he would do the same for a more general audience in Life Itself. The reasoning is very similar, clear, and formally sound. Still scientists will sheepishly adhere to believe in #reductionism.
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The case against #Reductionism and #Determinism built by #RobertRosen is very solid. Yet it's hard work to get workers trained in theoretical frameworks to consider it.
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HT @manlius for embedded #ComplexityPodcast interview with those two current brave researchers
» #ComplexSystems whose future cannot be fully predicted from past data,
or in sufficient time will deviate from any inductive model you can build from past data.
#RobertRosen & #HowardPattee reserve the term #ComplexSystem only for those systems. « @lmrocha» clear is that a whole repertoire of problems
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will only be solved using the #SystemsLevel view « @ricard_sole -
HT @manlius for embedded #ComplexityPodcast interview with those two current brave researchers
» #ComplexSystems whose future cannot be fully predicted from past data,
or in sufficient time will deviate from any inductive model you can build from past data.
#RobertRosen & #HowardPattee reserve the term #ComplexSystem only for those systems. « @lmrocha» clear is that a whole repertoire of problems
...
will only be solved using the #SystemsLevel view « @ricard_sole -
HT @manlius for embedded #ComplexityPodcast interview with those two current brave researchers
» #ComplexSystems whose future cannot be fully predicted from past data,
or in sufficient time will deviate from any inductive model you can build from past data.
#RobertRosen & #HowardPattee reserve the term #ComplexSystem only for those systems. « @lmrocha» clear is that a whole repertoire of problems
...
will only be solved using the #SystemsLevel view « @ricard_sole -
HT @manlius for embedded #ComplexityPodcast interview with those two current brave researchers
» #ComplexSystems whose future cannot be fully predicted from past data,
or in sufficient time will deviate from any inductive model you can build from past data.
#RobertRosen & #HowardPattee reserve the term #ComplexSystem only for those systems. « @lmrocha» clear is that a whole repertoire of problems
...
will only be solved using the #SystemsLevel view « @ricard_sole -
HT @manlius for embedded #ComplexityPodcast interview with those two current brave researchers
» #ComplexSystems whose future cannot be fully predicted from past data,
or in sufficient time will deviate from any inductive model you can build from past data.
#RobertRosen & #HowardPattee reserve the term #ComplexSystem only for those systems. « @lmrocha» clear is that a whole repertoire of problems
...
will only be solved using the #SystemsLevel view « @ricard_sole -
Robert Rosen talked a lot about the distinction between simple and complex systems. Essentially, simple systems can be built from parts, like a clock. Complex objects, on the other hand, are things with many models. Like time, or music, or a plant. No single description is enough.
He went further, saying that when studying a complex system, one can "throw away the matter and study the organization" to learn those things that are essential.
He was talking about Category Theory and its use in studying the organization of organisms.
A complex system, you might say, is not decomposable into parts. In this manner the complex :: simple distinction is akin to the difference in monoidal :: Cartesian tensor products in a monoidal closed category. Cartesian products have projections, you can take them apart. A monoidal product does not. You can only make inferences about their structure (make models)
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@tg9541 Thx for posting so much about #RobertRosen’s work. I eventually got myself a copy of Life Itself, hoping to grasp the gist of his former work Anticipatory Systems as well…
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#RobertRosen, in Anticipatory Systems, provides a rough-and-ready, yet systematic and formal approach to epistemology. Especially discussion of mereology, the swampy ground on which "the last ontology" can never stand, is now trivial.
Besides Rosen brings important thinkers into a useful perspective. I didn't know of #DavidHawkins, a thinker and teacher worth listening to - especially in these times of assaults on the common good.
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#RobertRosen, in Anticipatory Systems, gives me a new aspect on the practical limitations of 1st Order Cybernetics: it's based on control theory and depends on observables and their derivatives of time. Future is determined by the past, it's the reactive programming of tactics.
A theory of agents is based on the subjective projection of the present into a possible future with desirable or less desirable potentialities. Agents strategically manipulate the odds in what resembles a Markov chain.
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#RobertRosen in Anticipatory Systems refers to Jacques Ellul's analysis of the "technological imperative" - something to think over, especially for planners, managers, or engineers. Rosen's angle exposes the infinite regress in the attempt to objectively control a "system of interest", including the avoidance of side effects. In the end it's human activity, and #cybernetics is accountable for the #ethics of its #morality. #sociology #planning #philosophy #VirtueEthics
https://www.academia.edu/download/106105019/The_Autonomy_of_the_Technological_Phenomenon_Jacques_Ellul.pdf -
The Newtonian paradigm will always lead to a reactive model - which can appear valid by choosing the system boundaries so that mechanistic models are within the boundaries of the biological system (e.g., circadian properties, affordances, etc.) and assuming an evolutionary process of optimization. By traversing system boundaries for creating a suitable inductive model the researcher ironically has a final cause, namely, enacting the Newtonian paradigm.
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From Robert Rosen "Anticipatory Systems" about the Robert M. Hutchins, the founder of the "Center for the Study of Democratic Institutions" in
Santa Barbara, California, where RR was "in residence as a Visiting
Fellow" in the year 1972.It appears to me that we should all take that seriously.
#robertrosen #RobertMHutchins #intellectualcommunity #science
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#RobertRosen in Life Itself on physics. This statement has a sound mathematical foundation, much more so than the one people adhering to Reductionalism and Determinism can claim. There is a reason why his work is still not getting the attention it deserves. #philosophy #methodology #categorytheory #math #biology
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Working my way through Robert Rosen "Life Itself", for me a journey as instructive, demanding and profound as Hans Werner Arndt's "Methodo scientifica pertractatum". It takes time, research, re-reads. Friends are with me on the journey - there are no easy answers but a lot of wisdom. Rosen was an excellent teacher.
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@yoginho GoL has some interesting implications, not just from the mathematical or philosophical point of view: syntax means almost nothing, and semantics comes from the context given a design goal. On the background of GoL communicating such topics of practical relevance to the layman and to the scientist a bit easier (it's still hopeless for toddlers, doters and managers). #philosophy #robertrosen #life
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@uh @dcm your examples fit nicely to how #RobertRosen in Life Itself discusses the limits of formalism.
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From analogy and formalism to a category-theoretic take on the Kuhnian Paradigm: Metaphor as a one-sided modelling-relation. #RobertRosen #science #philosophy #epistemology
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#RobertRosen in Life Itself applies #CategoryTheory to make sense of so many discussions in #science and #philosphy, A deep read for those who no longer believe in magical formalism, highly recommended.
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I'm reading Life Itself by #RobertRosen. I'm enjoying the book - I love it. It took me years of studying different fields of engineering, #science and metascience to gain the background needed for feeling love. Its poor reception is a stark reminder that Rosen's ideas were too new, and his "Fundamentals of Measurement", introducing the math, has been out of print for some time. It may take centuries before #NormalScience catches up - if Descartes misconceptions will ever be abandoned.
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This evening, a friend sent me the first part of an interview with Jannie Hofmeyr "Mapping Theories of Life into Cell Biochemistry, Part I: Robert Rosen"
It's very enjoyable - especially Hofmeyr's take on the formal cause in the case of "protein folding" is insightful.
#biology #RobertRosen #DialecticalBiology #complexity #categorytheory