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Reddit tells rebellious mods of private communities they will be REMOVED unless they reopen - “We see no reason to reopen as I don’t think we’re the bad guys here,” yoasif, an r/firefox moderator who received the message, tells The Verge in an email. “Reddit has had a chance to reconcile with the protest for weeks now, and they haven’t.” #Reddit #redditmigration #RedditStrike #SocialMedia https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/29/23778997/reddit-remove-mods-private-communities-unless-reopen
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Since, but of course, the top comment on my (aggressively down-moderated, possibly by HN itself) Hacker News thread Utterly Missed The Plot (I'm shocked, shocked...):
The point of this post is that the contributors to this subreddit are one person. And has been for going on ten years.
The moderator team is one person. And has been or going on ten years.
Much of the readership is ... one person, who refers back to older posts to link elsewhere. (Though I'll admit that according to Reddit's stats, surprisingly more than that.)
That the subreddit had already been largely on hiatus for the past three years, because of preexisting frustrations with Reddit's leadership and direction. The subject of much of the front page of the subreddit.
Archive snapshot from this past February (there's been no change to content since then): https://web.archive.org/web/20220224161047/https://old.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/
That the moderator and contributor had long voiced concerns over precisely the issue of Reddit seizing control of subreddits, and a lack of any ongoing right over a subreddit, no matter how personal and how long it had been:
Quoting from "No, this subreddit is not fully dead yet, but ...":
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Years before "profile pages" became a thing, several people started what were effectively personal subreddits. /r/TalesByToxlab[1] is a classic instance, and also an exemplar of the conflicts arising. This is not my sub, and I'm not nominating it, to be ABSOLUTELY clear.
TBT was a personal space where one person shared their personal stories, some from real life, some fictional.
And I say "was", because /u/toxlab[2] died three years ago. A fact which large sites need to deal with.
(A ways back I'd computed that a site at the scale of Google+, with a nominal 3 billion profiles, saw on the order of 10k newly dead accounts every day. Reddit operates at about 1/10 that scale. Do the math.)
Should TBT be recycled back into the pool? It was never a "community site". What any modmail or logs, which might reveal personal messages and communications? I get these myself from time to time via several subs.
Reddit's stance has long been that subreddits are community, not personal, resources. For large and leading subs, this may well be appropriate. For small efforts, it almost certainly is not.
That concern is a chief one I've had with Reddit since beginning a few experiments of my own. I wrote on various aspects of Reddit which raise flags[3] five years ago. And this weighs heavily (though other factors contribute) in my decision to move my principle posting activity elsewhere[4], specifically to a blog whose features, content, and presentation are far more under my control.
I don't want my subs to become zombies or be allocated to others. When they're done, they should die, and be buried, their electrons recycled. And I suspect I'm not the only one.
https://old.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/dt527o/no_this_subreddit_is_not_fully_dead_yet_but/
Links:
https://web.archive.org/web/20230612102634/https://old.reddit.com/r/TalesByToxlab
https://web.archive.org/web/20230612102634/https://old.reddit.com/u/toxlab
This is no longer about arguably large and "community" subreddits which might arguably have some thin line of reasoning to legitimise Reddit's corporate claim to them, but small group and individual efforts, with private data and communications potentially being handed over to third parties. Issues I'd raised years ago, now proving to have been quite prescient concerns. One-person subreddits.
And in this case, that one person happens to be me.
#Reddit #RedditStrike #RedditBlackout #RedditBoycott #RedditMigration #RedditAPI
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The Reddit story goes deeper, and drags in Ycombinator and its popular news aggregator Hacker News
My submission earlier today about Reddit seeking to seize my personal subreddit of going on ten years drew 405 votes and 299 comments, but ranked 42nd on the archive page https://news.ycombinator.com/front?day=2023-06-22&p=2, well below posts with far fewer votes and/or comments.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36434885
I've inquired as to whether that was due to flags or HN moderator actions (automated or manual).
But ...
... HN's chief moderator dang had commented earlier today that Reddit content is now penalised, and has been since "a while ago": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36435312
I note that this conflicts with, and contradicts, a comment from a week ago reiterating HN's policy of moderating less not more on stories concerning YC companies, specifically noting that this was despite the somewhat distant-in-time and tenuous present relationship between YC and Reddit.
And that comment appears to be the first HN's mod team bothered mention the fact, as an HN site search reveals:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36366909
The fact is that Reddit are an Internet juggernaut, that they are going explicitly against prior commitments, promises, and policies (both sitewide and in my case specifically communicated to me three years ago by a Reddit admin ggAlex: https://web.archive.org/web/20230612102634/https://old.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/dt527o/no_this_subreddit_is_not_fully_dead_yet_but/f6vj489/
This war-against-its-power-users has made international headlines.
HN plays a de facto role of customer-support-of-last-resort, which dang has specifically acknowledged:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34320816
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34941474.
And yes, that can be repetitive and annoying and repetitively annoying ... but ... it is often one of the only viable venues for those who are disempowered to be heard.
Or, in /u/toxlab's case, the dead: https://web.archive.org/web/20230612102634/https://old.reddit.com/r/TalesFromRetail/comments/5a2xj3/everett_redditor_utoxlab_of_rtalesbytoxlab_passed/
HN's present Reddit policy both amplifies an existing power discrepancy (that of Reddit members against the company) and puts HN's own credibility at risk.
HN cannot simultaneously claim to:
- moderate YC companies less,
- impose a penalty for submissions concerning a specific YC company, and ]- fail to disclose the existence of that penalty at all.
I'm well aware of the jump in Reddit-related traffic, and have commented at length on it (per my wont): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36435319
The fact that HN have now put their thumb on the scale without notifying either submitters or the general readership concerns me greatly.
How about HN:
- De-thumbs that scale
- Clearly and prominently disclose the fact of the penalty, and the dates at which it was applied and lifted.
- Applies a case-by-case assessment based on new significant information.
- Provides a mechanism for aggregating similar classes of stories. E.g., the tens to hundreds of thousands of small and/or personal subreddits which Reddit are now acting to seize control of.
Hacker News's own credibility is very much at risk here and that itself is a serious concern to the site.
(Communicated to HN's mod team via email, toot here adapted slightly.)
#Reddit #HackerNew #HN #RedditStrike #RedditBlackout #ycombinator
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The Reddit story goes deeper, and drags in Ycombinator and its popular news aggregator Hacker News
My submission earlier today about Reddit seeking to seize my personal subreddit of going on ten years drew 405 votes and 299 comments, but ranked 42nd on the archive page https://news.ycombinator.com/front?day=2023-06-22&p=2, well below posts with far fewer votes and/or comments.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36434885
I've inquired as to whether that was due to flags or HN moderator actions (automated or manual).
But ...
... HN's chief moderator dang had commented earlier today that Reddit content is now penalised, and has been since "a while ago": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36435312
I note that this conflicts with, and contradicts, a comment from a week ago reiterating HN's policy of moderating less not more on stories concerning YC companies, specifically noting that this was despite the somewhat distant-in-time and tenuous present relationship between YC and Reddit.
And that comment appears to be the first HN's mod team bothered mention the fact, as an HN site search reveals:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36366909
The fact is that Reddit are an Internet juggernaut, that they are going explicitly against prior commitments, promises, and policies (both sitewide and in my case specifically communicated to me three years ago by a Reddit admin ggAlex: https://web.archive.org/web/20230612102634/https://old.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/dt527o/no_this_subreddit_is_not_fully_dead_yet_but/f6vj489/
This war-against-its-power-users has made international headlines.
HN plays a de facto role of customer-support-of-last-resort, which dang has specifically acknowledged:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34320816
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34941474.
And yes, that can be repetitive and annoying and repetitively annoying ... but ... it is often one of the only viable venues for those who are disempowered to be heard.
Or, in /u/toxlab's case, the dead: https://web.archive.org/web/20230612102634/https://old.reddit.com/r/TalesFromRetail/comments/5a2xj3/everett_redditor_utoxlab_of_rtalesbytoxlab_passed/
HN's present Reddit policy both amplifies an existing power discrepancy (that of Reddit members against the company) and puts HN's own credibility at risk.
HN cannot simultaneously claim to:
- moderate YC companies less,
- impose a penalty for submissions concerning a specific YC company, and ]- fail to disclose the existence of that penalty at all.
I'm well aware of the jump in Reddit-related traffic, and have commented at length on it (per my wont): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36435319
The fact that HN have now put their thumb on the scale without notifying either submitters or the general readership concerns me greatly.
How about HN:
- De-thumbs that scale
- Clearly and prominently disclose the fact of the penalty, and the dates at which it was applied and lifted.
- Applies a case-by-case assessment based on new significant information.
- Provides a mechanism for aggregating similar classes of stories. E.g., the tens to hundreds of thousands of small and/or personal subreddits which Reddit are now acting to seize control of.
Hacker News's own credibility is very much at risk here and that itself is a serious concern to the site.
(Communicated to HN's mod team via email, toot here adapted slightly.)
#Reddit #HackerNew #HN #RedditStrike #RedditBlackout #ycombinator
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The Reddit story goes deeper, and drags in Ycombinator and its popular news aggregator Hacker News
My submission earlier today about Reddit seeking to seize my personal subreddit of going on ten years drew 405 votes and 299 comments, but ranked 42nd on the archive page https://news.ycombinator.com/front?day=2023-06-22&p=2, well below posts with far fewer votes and/or comments.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36434885
I've inquired as to whether that was due to flags or HN moderator actions (automated or manual).
But ...
... HN's chief moderator dang had commented earlier today that Reddit content is now penalised, and has been since "a while ago": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36435312
I note that this conflicts with, and contradicts, a comment from a week ago reiterating HN's policy of moderating less not more on stories concerning YC companies, specifically noting that this was despite the somewhat distant-in-time and tenuous present relationship between YC and Reddit.
And that comment appears to be the first HN's mod team bothered mention the fact, as an HN site search reveals:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36366909
The fact is that Reddit are an Internet juggernaut, that they are going explicitly against prior commitments, promises, and policies (both sitewide and in my case specifically communicated to me three years ago by a Reddit admin ggAlex: https://web.archive.org/web/20230612102634/https://old.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/dt527o/no_this_subreddit_is_not_fully_dead_yet_but/f6vj489/
This war-against-its-power-users has made international headlines.
HN plays a de facto role of customer-support-of-last-resort, which dang has specifically acknowledged:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34320816
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34941474.
And yes, that can be repetitive and annoying and repetitively annoying ... but ... it is often one of the only viable venues for those who are disempowered to be heard.
Or, in /u/toxlab's case, the dead: https://web.archive.org/web/20230612102634/https://old.reddit.com/r/TalesFromRetail/comments/5a2xj3/everett_redditor_utoxlab_of_rtalesbytoxlab_passed/
HN's present Reddit policy both amplifies an existing power discrepancy (that of Reddit members against the company) and puts HN's own credibility at risk.
HN cannot simultaneously claim to:
- moderate YC companies less,
- impose a penalty for submissions concerning a specific YC company, and ]- fail to disclose the existence of that penalty at all.
I'm well aware of the jump in Reddit-related traffic, and have commented at length on it (per my wont): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36435319
The fact that HN have now put their thumb on the scale without notifying either submitters or the general readership concerns me greatly.
How about HN:
- De-thumbs that scale
- Clearly and prominently disclose the fact of the penalty, and the dates at which it was applied and lifted.
- Applies a case-by-case assessment based on new significant information.
- Provides a mechanism for aggregating similar classes of stories. E.g., the tens to hundreds of thousands of small and/or personal subreddits which Reddit are now acting to seize control of.
Hacker News's own credibility is very much at risk here and that itself is a serious concern to the site.
(Communicated to HN's mod team via email, toot here adapted slightly.)
#Reddit #HackerNew #HN #RedditStrike #RedditBlackout #ycombinator
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The Reddit story goes deeper, and drags in Ycombinator and its popular news aggregator Hacker News
My submission earlier today about Reddit seeking to seize my personal subreddit of going on ten years drew 405 votes and 299 comments, but ranked 42nd on the archive page https://news.ycombinator.com/front?day=2023-06-22&p=2, well below posts with far fewer votes and/or comments.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36434885
I've inquired as to whether that was due to flags or HN moderator actions (automated or manual).
But ...
... HN's chief moderator dang had commented earlier today that Reddit content is now penalised, and has been since "a while ago": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36435312
I note that this conflicts with, and contradicts, a comment from a week ago reiterating HN's policy of moderating less not more on stories concerning YC companies, specifically noting that this was despite the somewhat distant-in-time and tenuous present relationship between YC and Reddit.
And that comment appears to be the first HN's mod team bothered mention the fact, as an HN site search reveals:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36366909
The fact is that Reddit are an Internet juggernaut, that they are going explicitly against prior commitments, promises, and policies (both sitewide and in my case specifically communicated to me three years ago by a Reddit admin ggAlex: https://web.archive.org/web/20230612102634/https://old.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/dt527o/no_this_subreddit_is_not_fully_dead_yet_but/f6vj489/
This war-against-its-power-users has made international headlines.
HN plays a de facto role of customer-support-of-last-resort, which dang has specifically acknowledged:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34320816
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34941474.
And yes, that can be repetitive and annoying and repetitively annoying ... but ... it is often one of the only viable venues for those who are disempowered to be heard.
Or, in /u/toxlab's case, the dead: https://web.archive.org/web/20230612102634/https://old.reddit.com/r/TalesFromRetail/comments/5a2xj3/everett_redditor_utoxlab_of_rtalesbytoxlab_passed/
HN's present Reddit policy both amplifies an existing power discrepancy (that of Reddit members against the company) and puts HN's own credibility at risk.
HN cannot simultaneously claim to:
- moderate YC companies less,
- impose a penalty for submissions concerning a specific YC company, and ]- fail to disclose the existence of that penalty at all.
I'm well aware of the jump in Reddit-related traffic, and have commented at length on it (per my wont): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36435319
The fact that HN have now put their thumb on the scale without notifying either submitters or the general readership concerns me greatly.
How about HN:
- De-thumbs that scale
- Clearly and prominently disclose the fact of the penalty, and the dates at which it was applied and lifted.
- Applies a case-by-case assessment based on new significant information.
- Provides a mechanism for aggregating similar classes of stories. E.g., the tens to hundreds of thousands of small and/or personal subreddits which Reddit are now acting to seize control of.
Hacker News's own credibility is very much at risk here and that itself is a serious concern to the site.
(Communicated to HN's mod team via email, toot here adapted slightly.)
#Reddit #HackerNew #HN #RedditStrike #RedditBlackout #ycombinator
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The Reddit story goes deeper, and drags in Ycombinator and its popular news aggregator Hacker News
My submission earlier today about Reddit seeking to seize my personal subreddit of going on ten years drew 405 votes and 299 comments, but ranked 42nd on the archive page https://news.ycombinator.com/front?day=2023-06-22&p=2, well below posts with far fewer votes and/or comments.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36434885
I've inquired as to whether that was due to flags or HN moderator actions (automated or manual).
But ...
... HN's chief moderator dang had commented earlier today that Reddit content is now penalised, and has been since "a while ago": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36435312
I note that this conflicts with, and contradicts, a comment from a week ago reiterating HN's policy of moderating less not more on stories concerning YC companies, specifically noting that this was despite the somewhat distant-in-time and tenuous present relationship between YC and Reddit.
And that comment appears to be the first HN's mod team bothered mention the fact, as an HN site search reveals:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36366909
The fact is that Reddit are an Internet juggernaut, that they are going explicitly against prior commitments, promises, and policies (both sitewide and in my case specifically communicated to me three years ago by a Reddit admin ggAlex: https://web.archive.org/web/20230612102634/https://old.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/dt527o/no_this_subreddit_is_not_fully_dead_yet_but/f6vj489/
This war-against-its-power-users has made international headlines.
HN plays a de facto role of customer-support-of-last-resort, which dang has specifically acknowledged:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34320816
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34941474.
And yes, that can be repetitive and annoying and repetitively annoying ... but ... it is often one of the only viable venues for those who are disempowered to be heard.
Or, in /u/toxlab's case, the dead: https://web.archive.org/web/20230612102634/https://old.reddit.com/r/TalesFromRetail/comments/5a2xj3/everett_redditor_utoxlab_of_rtalesbytoxlab_passed/
HN's present Reddit policy both amplifies an existing power discrepancy (that of Reddit members against the company) and puts HN's own credibility at risk.
HN cannot simultaneously claim to:
- moderate YC companies less,
- impose a penalty for submissions concerning a specific YC company, and ]- fail to disclose the existence of that penalty at all.
I'm well aware of the jump in Reddit-related traffic, and have commented at length on it (per my wont): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36435319
The fact that HN have now put their thumb on the scale without notifying either submitters or the general readership concerns me greatly.
How about HN:
- De-thumbs that scale
- Clearly and prominently disclose the fact of the penalty, and the dates at which it was applied and lifted.
- Applies a case-by-case assessment based on new significant information.
- Provides a mechanism for aggregating similar classes of stories. E.g., the tens to hundreds of thousands of small and/or personal subreddits which Reddit are now acting to seize control of.
Hacker News's own credibility is very much at risk here and that itself is a serious concern to the site.
(Communicated to HN's mod team via email, toot here adapted slightly.)
#Reddit #HackerNew #HN #RedditStrike #RedditBlackout #ycombinator
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As my toot notes, I'd been very aware that Reddit could reclaim the subreddit according to its rules then in place. The pinned posts on the sub, for 2 and 3 years respectively as of this past February, discussed that amongst other concerns. The Wayback Machine shows those here:
https://web.archive.org/web/20220224161047/https://old.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/
One of those posts specifically addressed my preferences for how my subreddit should allowed to die and rest in ... ouch, typo, "piece". That post received an admin response saying that it would be a good candidate for just that.
#Reddit #FuckReddit #ModCodeOfConduct #RedditStrike #RedditBlackout
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First they came for /r/pics ... now Reddit are coming for the individual personal subreddits
Quite some years ago I'd realised that amongst the problems with using Reddit as a personal blogging space (my avatar here is a relic of that, if you'd not put the two together) was that I do not in fact have any permanent claim to that space.
Reddit's previous policies of moderator re-assignment bothered me. The policies apparently instituted September 2022 and being rolled out aggressively in recent days ... have not weakened my concerns.
And, checking in now, I find a day-old modmail to /r/dredmorbius, a subreddit which only ever was my own personal posts with comments from a few friends, and about 1,000 subscribers ... has received a notice to reclaim by /u/Modcodeofconduct, screenshot attached here.
I have not abandoned the sub. I had closed it in protest of Reddit's continued failings and war against its volunteer moderators and general community.
And I will not go quietly.
#Reddit #FuckReddit #ModCodeOfConduct #RedditStrike #RedditBlackout
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Meanwhile, at the other other hellhole: Reddit mod scorched-earth protocol:
There's only one thing they can do, and it's not a checkmate, more of a fire on the way out the door.
- Turn off all spam filtering
- Disable minimum karma requirements
- Allow all posts, disable all rules
- Unban all banned users
- Purge all allowed submitters
- Turn off AutoModerator, Scrub all configs
- Delete all CSS and uploaded images/maps
- Blank all sidebars, Delete all flairs
- Allow NSFW content, Enable sub's content on /all
- Set the sub's color scheme on mobile to something vomit-inducing
- Blank all of the text options such as the sub's topic listing
- Grab a copy of anything in the wikis worth saving
- Disable and permanently remove all third party mod tools and bots
- Invite all users to the moderation team with full comment/submission privs
- GDPR request for their own account data and then
- Use it to delete their accounts and all of their content
-- Amarok @ Tildes: https://tildes.net/~tech/16e3/reddit_ceo_pledges_to_not_force_subreddits_to_reopen_admin_team_then_immediately_threatens#comment-8gbi
#Reddit #RedditStrike #ModWar #ScorchedEarth #ScorchedEarthProtocol
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Well Reddit Corporate has decided to go full draconian on moderators participating in the #RedditBlackout and #RedditStrike .
There is a clear and obvious threat presented here, for a subreddit of 270 members....
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@morebento @dangillmor Hoffman is now threatening my sub of a few hundred thousand users:
Absolute fascist scare tactics, trying to get people to tell on each other and abandon their friends. #redditblackout #reddit #redditstrike #spez
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With my HN FP archive updated through yesterday, as one does, updated occurrences of "Reddit" in front-page story titles:
2007 41
2008 31
2009 15
2010 44
2011 41
2012 46
2013 28
2014 27
2015 27
2016 19
2017 15
2018 15
2019 12
2020 24
2021 12
2022 13
2023 28And what's the occurrence by month in 2023, you ask? Why, I'll tell you:
1 1
2 1
3 0
4 1
5 3
6 22And those 22 stories in the first half of June are ... not positive:
- Teddit – An alternative Reddit front-end focused on privacy
- [dupe] Third-party Reddit apps are being crushed by price increases
- Demo: Fully P2P and open source Reddit alternative
- Reddit’s plan to kill third-party apps sparks widespread protests
- Reddit's Recently Announced API Changes, and the future of /r/blind
- Redditor creates working anime QR codes using Stable Diffusion
- ArchiveTeam has saved over 11.2B Reddit links
- Archive your Reddit data before it's too late
- Reddit Strike Has Started
- Thousands of subreddits pledge to go dark after the Reddit CEO’s recent remarks
- Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years
- Did Reddit just destroy mobile browser access?
- Reddit.com appears to be having an outage
- Show HN: Zsync, a Reddit Alternative with the Goal to Reward Quality Comments
- Apollo’s Christian Selig explains his fight with Reddit – and why users revolted
- The Reddit blackout will continue
- The Reddit blackout has left Google barren and full of holes
- Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely
- Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators from Subreddits Continuing Blackouts
- Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private
- Louis Rossmann calls community to leave Reddit
- Reddit App – Suspicious high number of recent 5 star, one word reviews
#HackerNews #HackerNewsAnalytics #Reddit #RedditStrike #RedditBlackout
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@postmodern maybe is paranoia, but there's a possibility of having enough "active" users #reddit would allow them to remove your on-strike moderator(s) and end the #redditstrike
cfr.
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I’m a long-time #Reddit user with the karma to prove it. I love the site, but have been absent now for several days. PLEASE, stay off of Reddit for at least the next few days, we’ve got a point to make - that our community is mightier than the greedy corporation. The CEO says it will “…all blow over soon…” Let’s prove him wrong. It’s hard, but we need to stay off the site until management gets the point. It’s ok to explore profit-making moves, but it’s not ok to attack the community and valued third party app devs. #redditblackout #redditapi #redditstrike #redditapiprotest
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Hey #RedditBlackout / #RedditStrike peeps,
Once again Louis Rossman knocks it out of the park with his summary of the #Reddit situation. In short, u/Spez thinks "You are noise". Nothing but noise, of no value. Lets keep up the strike and show him he's so so terribly wrong.
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With all the issues that brought Reddit under the spotlight I was wondering: is there something similar to Reddit in the Fediverse? #Reddit #redditblackout #redditapi #RedditStrike #Fediverse
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#redditblackout has been effective:
> But if the blackout continues, Reddit’s recently accumulated goodwill with advertisers could quickly dissipate.
> “It’s going to be a big turning point,” Johnson said. “They’re hoping for the easy option where everyone quiets down.”
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Google is getting a lot worse because of the Reddit blackouts
With Google’s generally poor search results nowadays, appending “reddit” has long been the default way I search for almost anything (and no, I’m not ready to get my info from an AI chatbot, either). But given the sheer volume of subreddits that are currently unavailable — including some of the most-subscribed subreddits — clicking through many Reddit links in search results takes me to a message saying the subreddit is private. ...
https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/13/23759942/google-reddit-subreddit-blackout-protests
Seems Google (and Bing ... by extension DDG) might want to consider whether they want to be working on Maggie's farm no more.
#Reddit #RedditStrike #Google #WebSearch #InternetOfShit #KillingTheGooseThatLaysGoldenEggs #GoldenGoose #UnintendedConsequences #Sharecropping #Sharecroppers #Dylan
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@pinkyfloyd @digitalpanopticon
Another lengthy one for the #RedditBlackout #RedditStrike ....
So that does prove the point that content isn't everything. And I'd agree with you, content alone does not magically make a site good or popular. But lets be fair, subscription-based streaming service is quite different than ad-supported social media (aka Reddit).
If I subscribe to Disney+ it is because I find value in the programming available to me. Theoretically at least the value of the subscription, if not more. Also, I have the budget for it in my disposable income.
Reddit has no such logic required for the casual user. It doesn't cost them anything. They may choose to go there because they know to check reddit for something, or they may accidentally end up there because the search engines bring them to that content.
You can subscribe to Disney and not use it and...Disney wins. It's a great deal for them, as you - the user - are pure profit. (Note: I'm excluding server costs since they are such a minute cost for both parties that its meaningless to include).
On reddit, if you do not visit the site, they do not make any money. A loss of a user is a loss of revenue. Direct cause and effect.
Also, lets keep in mind that two different markets they operate in. Disney+ is in the land of MANY streaming competitors. Apple TV+, Netflix, Hulu, Paramount+, Max, YouTubeTV, Amazon Prime Video, ESPN+, SlingTV, FuboTV. Every one of those has a cost associated with them. So as a consumer you have to decide how much budget you have and which one has the most value to you - to spend that budget on. I may think that Disney+ has a great value, but I've only got $20/mo to spend and Netflix's value is even better than Disneys.
Reddit major limitation is attention time. There are not a ton of sites that operate on a similar model to them. Community of communities. So because of that, TikTok is more of a threat to Reddit than say Digg. Because TikTok takes eyeball time.
Why do people use TikTok? Because of the content. Flipping through videos is content. If there were no videos on TikTok, then the usage would be basically zero. Is content alone the answer? No, of course not. TikTok has also gotten to be an expert at the algorithm. An algo that keeps people viewing content.
The same logic applies to Reddit. Casual users keep coming back because of the interesting posts on say.... r/lifeprotips or r/funny . Maybe they like to see what the answer is in r/ama and spend time reading the comments at length. But importantly, there is something for them to see and read. If there were no posts on those reddits, there are no comment section... there is no reason for the casual user to be on reddit. No one is going there to admire their wonderful and innovative site design. Hopefully no one is there because of the cool NFT's. The casual users will instantly find somewhere else to go that has stuff that interests them. That has content for them to consume.
And as for Disney+? They may not have crushed it, but 3rd place is respectable. Delete all the content on Disney+ except for the 30 year old Discover documentaries and then see how many people keep their subscription.
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Given the #RedditStrike / #RedditBlackout, question popped up on Hacker News as to whether or not stories critical of Reddit were being overwhelmingly flagged.
So I updated my Front Page archive through 2023-06-13, and looked at the numbers.
There've been 16 front-page stories since 31 May 2023 when the first story on API pricing broke.
That compares against total mentions of Reddit since 2007:
2007 41
2008 31
2009 15
2010 44
2011 41
2012 46
2013 28
2014 27
2015 27
2016 19
2017 15
2018 15
2019 12
2020 24
2021 12
2022 13
2023 21Note that we're only 45% of the way through 2023, so at the rate of stories-to-date for the year (and ignoring the blow-up in the past two weeks which itself is well-above trend), 2023 is on track for 46 FP stories, which ties the high-water mark set in 2012.
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#RedditBlackout --
Based on the generalization that there are 4 major players in the #reddit ecosystem: Reddit Corporate, Advertisers, Power Users and Casual Users. I asked #ChatGPT about the theoretical outcome of a #RedditStrike by the power users?What follows is it's output, unmodified.
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If the "power users" of Reddit -- who are often the most active and influential content creators and curators -- were to go on strike, it would have several potential effects on the platform and its ecosystem, affecting Reddit Corporate, advertisers, and casual users:
Decreased Content Quality and Quantity: Power users are often responsible for a significant portion of the content and discussions on Reddit. If they stop posting or moderating, the overall volume and quality of content may decline.
Reduced Engagement: Power users often initiate discussions and engage other users. A strike might lead to reduced interactions, which in turn could lead to casual users visiting the site less frequently or spending less time on it.
Impact on Reddit Corporate: Reduced engagement and content creation would likely impact Reddit's traffic. As a result, Reddit Corporate may see a decline in ad impressions and click-through rates, which could impact their revenue. Depending on the scale and duration of the strike, Reddit Corporate might be compelled to engage in discussions or make concessions to address the power users' concerns.
Advertisers' Response: Advertisers are interested in platforms with high user engagement and traffic. If the strike leads to a significant decrease in either, advertisers might reevaluate the value of advertising on Reddit. This could lead to reduced ad spending on the platform.
Community Dynamics: Casual users might become more aware of the role and importance of power users in the community. This could lead to a shift in community dynamics, where casual users either step up to fill the void, or become disillusioned with the platform.
Possible Migration: Depending on the cause and scale of the strike, and how Reddit Corporate responds, some users might start looking for alternative platforms to share content and engage in discussions.
Reputation and Brand Image: A strike by power users, especially if it gains media attention, could affect Reddit's reputation. The company's handling of the situation would be crucial in managing public perception.
It's important to note that the outcomes of such a strike would also depend on the reasons behind it, the duration, and the communication between the involved parties.
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@literalgrill thats pretty bad, whois going to moderate the site when its forcefully reopened? trained monkeys? 🙈 🙂 #redditstrike #redditdark #RedditMigraion
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Everyone supporting the #RedditBlackout needs to read https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/13/23759559/reddit-internal-memo-api-pricing-changes-steve-huffman -- Proof that a 2 day event will not work.
This is a STRIKE. The #RedditStrike must continue until they cannot simply handwave it away with a "this will pass". Reddit wants to go public, for that they need content and they need DAU. Do not give them content, do not give them DAU (Daily Active Users - do not use the site at all!).
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@mdhughes The problem with the "I don't care how awful the tools are" approach is that bad tools drive out good mods and contributors.
It is frustrating to try to moderate on Reddit, and the striking mods have been raising this issue with Reddit for well over a decade. There's been little visible progress.
The result is that good mods go inactive or quit. You're left with either un-moderated or under-moderates subs (several of my own would fit that description), or with mods seeking that status who have either personal or pecuniary interests in the position.
Bad mods mean that good contributors find both that they have less productive engagement, and less recognition.
It's a death spiral.
I'd walked from Reddit myself about five years ago, with very occasional, and increasingly reluctant, exceptions.
Treat your volunteer labour force(s) with respect and integrity, or they'll turn on you.
#reddit #RedditStrike #RedditBlackout #Moderators #Moderation
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With the whole #RedditStrike and #RedditMigration going about, I wish a bit more focus would be given to the idea of resurfacing the old, tried and true concept of #BBS (Bulletin Board Systems).
They are #RetroTechnology enough to be cool. They feel like they'd be right in our alley. And IIRC they were tremendously cheap to implement (you don't need a VPS supercluster as you need with Matrix, Mastodon, etc).
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Qualsiasi piattaforma è costituita da utenti e sta a voi, in quanto tali, fare una scelta consapevole su quale scegliere. Libera o chiusa. Facendovi sentire quando le cose non vanno come dovrebbero ;)
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Oggi, 12 giugno, è in vigore lo #Sciopero dei moderatori di #Reddit il che è cosa ottima. La moderazione è un lavoro duro e non retribuito per la maggior parte dei subreddit, una passione.
Malgrado la natura chiusa della piattaforma Reddit, vogliamo ricordare che raccoglie preziose notizie ed esperienze, come un grande museo, e sono gli utenti che lo rendono tale.