#democracyofreach — Public Fediverse posts
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it's not that the stories don't get told - the web gave us infinite speech. the issue is what stories reach the masses. that's the power of money in today's media ecosystem. managing public attention. ads but also the ability to own major media such that you can program what comes next and decide how the algorithms work.
decentralized media distribution systems (like podcasts) using decentralized social media for recommendations can fix this.
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it's not that the stories don't get told - the web gave us infinite speech. the issue is what stories reach the masses. that's the power of money in today's media ecosystem. managing public attention. ads but also the ability to own major media such that you can program what comes next and decide how the algorithms work.
decentralized media distribution systems (like podcasts) using decentralized social media for recommendations can fix this.
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Improve society by democratizing attention via developing and encouraging greater use of decentralized social media and media distribution technology.
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Improve society by democratizing attention via developing and encouraging greater use of decentralized social media and media distribution technology.
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We're in a transition from mass media to algo media. The problem that mass media gave us by allowing wealth to buy public attention, probably only gets worse with algo media.
But (decentralized) social media fixes this. Relying on a network of trusted human boosts means attention is democratized. Word of mouth. How human culture developed, but now faster and with our sense of connection more widely extended.
Let's work towards that path instead.
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We're in a transition from mass media to algo media. The problem that mass media gave us by allowing wealth to buy public attention, probably only gets worse with algo media.
But (decentralized) social media fixes this. Relying on a network of trusted human boosts means attention is democratized. Word of mouth. How human culture developed, but now faster and with our sense of connection more widely extended.
Let's work towards that path instead.
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Decentralized social media is the tool for the people to ensure that some info, argument or art is worth widespread public attention when big media owners, advertisers and corporate algorithms disagree.
But it will not work this magic if we stay small. If most people can't be honest here or share upsetting content, without inviting a flood of angry replies and mass blocking. We can be either very left or make the world better, but not both.
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Decentralized social media is the tool for the people to ensure that some info, argument or art is worth widespread public attention when big media owners, advertisers and corporate algorithms disagree.
But it will not work this magic if we stay small. If most people can't be honest here or share upsetting content, without inviting a flood of angry replies and mass blocking. We can be either very left or make the world better, but not both.
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Society is shaped by the public discourse. And we are seeing this conversation move from mass media to social media. We must get everyone here and not let corporate platform algorithms win.
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Society is shaped by the public discourse. And we are seeing this conversation move from mass media to social media. We must get everyone here and not let corporate platform algorithms win.
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I'll say it again.
The business model will be to have the internet rebuilt on #ATproto and for #bluesky to replace Google. Ugh.
A workable web needs a social layer. We don't just need to publish to the world but we also need a way to manage how attention gets allocated to that work. Except so much power can be derived from those decisions. What people know about and the spread of ideas determines how culture evolves and civics happens. We can't let anybody dominate it.
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I'll say it again.
The business model will be to have the internet rebuilt on #ATproto and for #bluesky to replace Google. Ugh.
A workable web needs a social layer. We don't just need to publish to the world but we also need a way to manage how attention gets allocated to that work. Except so much power can be derived from those decisions. What people know about and the spread of ideas determines how culture evolves and civics happens. We can't let anybody dominate it.
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@adamgurri.liberalcurrents.com
they used to own the few outlets most people had access to. or via advertising, could dictate which outlets thrived.
now with access to a web of info and opinions, they try to dominate the mechanisms that decide what gets pushed at us. both by buying mass media but also the social media algos.
methods of decentralized distribution like podcasts plus decentralized social media could liberate us. we also need to fix the funding.
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@adamgurri.liberalcurrents.com
they used to own the few outlets most people had access to. or via advertising, could dictate which outlets thrived.
now with access to a web of info and opinions, they try to dominate the mechanisms that decide what gets pushed at us. both by buying mass media but also the social media algos.
methods of decentralized distribution like podcasts plus decentralized social media could liberate us. we also need to fix the funding.
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Fedi recognizes the damage being done to culture and civics by so many people ingesting whatever the big corporate social platforms decide to show them, yet would still rather keep this place small than try to find a way for everyone to be here instead. Maybe they don't see a way to do both, to be universal and not become a hell hole.
But that's what decentralization, no algos and moderating just for trolls does. This has been proven by the web and email. It's not a Nazi bar.
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Fedi recognizes the damage being done to culture and civics by so many people ingesting whatever the big corporate social platforms decide to show them, yet would still rather keep this place small than try to find a way for everyone to be here instead. Maybe they don't see a way to do both, to be universal and not become a hell hole.
But that's what decentralization, no algos and moderating just for trolls does. This has been proven by the web and email. It's not a Nazi bar.
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Elon is spending $100m on ads for the GOP.
If you want to save the world, we must get everyone using media that has no ads or algos. That's how they turn their money into power. To do that, we have to grow the fedi and make systems like #peertube and #owncast on par with YouTube etc. To grow the fedi, we must accept that it will be mostly people less lefty than those already here.
Or we can use our stuff and watch everybody else beaten into subservience on shitty platforms.
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Elon is spending $100m on ads for the GOP.
If you want to save the world, we must get everyone using media that has no ads or algos. That's how they turn their money into power. To do that, we have to grow the fedi and make systems like #peertube and #owncast on par with YouTube etc. To grow the fedi, we must accept that it will be mostly people less lefty than those already here.
Or we can use our stuff and watch everybody else beaten into subservience on shitty platforms.
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Social media is an attention management system. Decentralization democratizes it.
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Social media is an attention management system. Decentralization democratizes it.
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capital mostly has more power in society because of how the information/opinion ecosystem works. thanks to mass media, and now algo media, attention can be bought. the greater use of decentralized social media and decentralized media distribution systems changes that. it returns us to a word of mouth culture, where the best ideas spread through networks of trusted recommendations. only now we can do that at internet speed.
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capital mostly has more power in society because of how the information/opinion ecosystem works. thanks to mass media, and now algo media, attention can be bought. the greater use of decentralized social media and decentralized media distribution systems changes that. it returns us to a word of mouth culture, where the best ideas spread through networks of trusted recommendations. only now we can do that at internet speed.
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Quality news exists and thanks to the web, it's more accessible than ever. The problem is the way that most people are pushed towards the low quality stuff, via mass media or social media algorithms. Big money controls the funnel.
But that's what decentralized social media and decentralized media distribution systems can fix. We can make it so that what's in front of people is only what the people they trust recommend. And that consuming it is just as easy as TV or radio etc.
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Quality news exists and thanks to the web, it's more accessible than ever. The problem is the way that most people are pushed towards the low quality stuff, via mass media or social media algorithms. Big money controls the funnel.
But that's what decentralized social media and decentralized media distribution systems can fix. We can make it so that what's in front of people is only what the people they trust recommend. And that consuming it is just as easy as TV or radio etc.
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my only disagreement is that there's no longer so much of a funneling of the public into a few corporate outlets and PBS and NPR. There are many more options and of course that funneling is now often done by corporate social platforms and it's why Elon bought Twitter etc.
But what if media reform groups created a movement around decentralized social media and related technologies? Direct and automatic funding of creators? Isn't that another option?
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my only disagreement is that there's no longer so much of a funneling of the public into a few corporate outlets and PBS and NPR. There are many more options and of course that funneling is now often done by corporate social platforms and it's why Elon bought Twitter etc.
But what if media reform groups created a movement around decentralized social media and related technologies? Direct and automatic funding of creators? Isn't that another option?
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algos decide among all posts but this is good evidence that they don't like links to competitors. it has to be possible to build a movement among creators to embrace social media where there's no corporate gatekeepers or advertisers to struggle against for attention.
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algos decide among all posts but this is good evidence that they don't like links to competitors. it has to be possible to build a movement among creators to embrace social media where there's no corporate gatekeepers or advertisers to struggle against for attention.
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media platforms have two kinds of power that still draw creators to them today. attention and money. while you could put up your own fully indy blog, podcast, videos, music etc - it's easier to get famous and paid by joining some kind of collective that can help funnel attention and money to you. the platforms include basically all of the big names, from legacy outlets to streamers, Spotify, X and Substack etc. they take a share and decide what's acceptable.
we can do better.
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media platforms have two kinds of power that still draw creators to them today. attention and money. while you could put up your own fully indy blog, podcast, videos, music etc - it's easier to get famous and paid by joining some kind of collective that can help funnel attention and money to you. the platforms include basically all of the big names, from legacy outlets to streamers, Spotify, X and Substack etc. they take a share and decide what's acceptable.
we can do better.
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The left wants to argue that the marketplace of ideas doesn't exist because it recognizes there is pain in stumbling upon some facts and ideas. It wants to believe that cutting off some people or groups from ever being heard from is a good thing. The Nazi bar analogy only works when the structure of the ecosystem means their participation limits the voice of others. That's not true of decentralized social media with wide federation, no algos/ads and moderation for harassment.
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The left wants to argue that the marketplace of ideas doesn't exist because it recognizes there is pain in stumbling upon some facts and ideas. It wants to believe that cutting off some people or groups from ever being heard from is a good thing. The Nazi bar analogy only works when the structure of the ecosystem means their participation limits the voice of others. That's not true of decentralized social media with wide federation, no algos/ads and moderation for harassment.
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Twitter was social media, Facebook is social networking. Social media without corporate algos or ads is about people deciding together what gets attention. While the web broadened free expression, it still mostly relied on mass media to spread the word about something online. The virality enabled by the retweet/share changed this.
If we care about #DemocracyOfReach, pushing back on the power of wealth to dominate public discourse, we need a wide adoption of fedi.
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Twitter was social media, Facebook is social networking. Social media without corporate algos or ads is about people deciding together what gets attention. While the web broadened free expression, it still mostly relied on mass media to spread the word about something online. The virality enabled by the retweet/share changed this.
If we care about #DemocracyOfReach, pushing back on the power of wealth to dominate public discourse, we need a wide adoption of fedi.
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It's not hard to find some truth, especially since the web existed. It's just getting to be impossible to help the truth find the people.
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It's not hard to find some truth, especially since the web existed. It's just getting to be impossible to help the truth find the people.
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Why does no one still talk about social media like I do? That its value is in being the place where important work can go viral, outside the control of old gatekeepers like the corporate media and governments. Not exactly a public square because the conversations are of much less value than what gets shared and boosted. Only decentralization of this medium preserves this element because it prevents the manipulation by owners' algorithms and ads.
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Why does no one still talk about social media like I do? That its value is in being the place where important work can go viral, outside the control of old gatekeepers like the corporate media and governments. Not exactly a public square because the conversations are of much less value than what gets shared and boosted. Only decentralization of this medium preserves this element because it prevents the manipulation by owners' algorithms and ads.
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love that you were on Skeptic's Guide last week. wish they were here on fedi.
decentralized social media allows the people to decide what gets attention, not owners or advertisers like on mass media or corporate social media platforms. getting everyone here is the only way we will have a properly informed public, where influence isn't dictated by the wealthy
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love that you were on Skeptic's Guide last week. wish they were here on fedi.
decentralized social media allows the people to decide what gets attention, not owners or advertisers like on mass media or corporate social media platforms. getting everyone here is the only way we will have a properly informed public, where influence isn't dictated by the wealthy
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Big companies charge more for worse products and services while they buy up the competition before it can challenge them, while they spend money on ads and PR to convince us they are great and there's no reasonable alternative anyway. That antitrust is a bad idea etc.
Please tell me how this gets better without a democratization of our collective attention.
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Big companies charge more for worse products and services while they buy up the competition before it can challenge them, while they spend money on ads and PR to convince us they are great and there's no reasonable alternative anyway. That antitrust is a bad idea etc.
Please tell me how this gets better without a democratization of our collective attention.
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Been on fedi since April 2017. No Agenda Social.
Was trying to figure out Join Diaspora in June 2011.
Slowly realizing that fixing our information ecosystem would provide the more fair and sustainable improvement in society for most people, rather than doing politics, since maybe 2007.
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Been on fedi since April 2017. No Agenda Social.
Was trying to figure out Join Diaspora in June 2011.
Slowly realizing that fixing our information ecosystem would provide the more fair and sustainable improvement in society for most people, rather than doing politics, since maybe 2007.
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It's not a "free marketplace place of ideas" #WaPo when access to attention is biased by the amount of money you are able to spend. When a president can complain about CBS and 60 Minutes cause of how it influences so many, and then have the network bought by his billionaire buddy. Same with Elon biasing the Xitter algos. And of course advertising is the most obvious example.
The closest we had to the ideal above was before mass media. Word of mouth. Fedi is that but faster.
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It's not a "free marketplace place of ideas" #WaPo when access to attention is biased by the amount of money you are able to spend. When a president can complain about CBS and 60 Minutes cause of how it influences so many, and then have the network bought by his billionaire buddy. Same with Elon biasing the Xitter algos. And of course advertising is the most obvious example.
The closest we had to the ideal above was before mass media. Word of mouth. Fedi is that but faster.
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The reason corporate platforms and algos are winning is because we do not boost enough. Lots of creators now know those places suck, but they get attention there. It's a trade-off.
imo they'd give up a lot of that attention if it wasn't like 1/10th of the time that you liked something, you shared it publicly. But instead let's say half. C'mon people. Boost long videos, podcasts and articles. Even links to books and movies. Not just pics and short posts and clips.
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The reason corporate platforms and algos are winning is because we do not boost enough. Lots of creators now know those places suck, but they get attention there. It's a trade-off.
imo they'd give up a lot of that attention if it wasn't like 1/10th of the time that you liked something, you shared it publicly. But instead let's say half. C'mon people. Boost long videos, podcasts and articles. Even links to books and movies. Not just pics and short posts and clips.
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decentralized social media is for allowing the public to decide together what info, ideas and art deserves attention, displacing the power of money to shape civics and culture. we can make every article, podcast, video, song etc directly boostable like a post, allowing creators to track it all on their own site (that's also then part of the social web). a return to the word of mouth web of trust, at internet speed. we need everyone here.
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decentralized social media is for allowing the public to decide together what info, ideas and art deserves attention, displacing the power of money to shape civics and culture. we can make every article, podcast, video, song etc directly boostable like a post, allowing creators to track it all on their own site (that's also then part of the social web). a return to the word of mouth web of trust, at internet speed. we need everyone here.
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@parkermolloy.com @mariabustillos.com
kinda. I just think that normies won't learn anything because they won't hear/believe arguments against their demonization of the left. that's the power of wealth over narrative in our media ecosystem. you have to know that the left has been saying the establishment is like this for years to see their response as a confirmation. that's why changing how media works is more important long-term than politics.
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@parkermolloy.com @mariabustillos.com
kinda. I just think that normies won't learn anything because they won't hear/believe arguments against their demonization of the left. that's the power of wealth over narrative in our media ecosystem. you have to know that the left has been saying the establishment is like this for years to see their response as a confirmation. that's why changing how media works is more important long-term than politics.
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It's taking so long to transition from radio and broadcast and cable TV to fully online distribution. And then when it happens, we're mostly doing it via the walled garden platforms of corporate gatekeepers.
Because middlemen want more money and don't care how that makes it a worse experience and more expensive and/or less valuable for consumers and creators.
Create and distribute like blogs/podcasting. Manage attention via the fedi. Pay per time directly and automatically.
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It's taking so long to transition from radio and broadcast and cable TV to fully online distribution. And then when it happens, we're mostly doing it via the walled garden platforms of corporate gatekeepers.
Because middlemen want more money and don't care how that makes it a worse experience and more expensive and/or less valuable for consumers and creators.
Create and distribute like blogs/podcasting. Manage attention via the fedi. Pay per time directly and automatically.
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our goal should be attention democracy, where human boosts decide what goes viral. a web of trust. we could expand this to all forms of media. word of mouth on steroids. it would not only beat back today's tech oligarchs, but also the old mass media owners and advertisers.
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our goal should be attention democracy, where human boosts decide what goes viral. a web of trust. we could expand this to all forms of media. word of mouth on steroids. it would not only beat back today's tech oligarchs, but also the old mass media owners and advertisers.
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Elon bought Twitter for the attention it controls. Writers refuse to leave Substack because they need the attention. Podcasters are creating shows on YouTube because it gives them more attention.
I understand wanting to be here as an escape from the attention economy, but that won't stop it from doing damage to our culture and civics. What needs to happen is an assembling of all the people who hate what algos promote, to build a bigger space where attention is earned.
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Elon bought Twitter for the attention it controls. Writers refuse to leave Substack because they need the attention. Podcasters are creating shows on YouTube because it gives them more attention.
I understand wanting to be here as an escape from the attention economy, but that won't stop it from doing damage to our culture and civics. What needs to happen is an assembling of all the people who hate what algos promote, to build a bigger space where attention is earned.
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The bad guys are winning because the decentralized alternatives are not working together very well. The server people with the app developers. We can't even agree on an attention protocol thanks to #bluesky. Ultimately we're all being held back because we don't have a fiat protocol to enable automatic and direct payments of what we can afford to creators for time spent with their work.
AFAICT few even think of their projects as part of an ecosystem.
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The bad guys are winning because the decentralized alternatives are not working together very well. The server people with the app developers. We can't even agree on an attention protocol thanks to #bluesky. Ultimately we're all being held back because we don't have a fiat protocol to enable automatic and direct payments of what we can afford to creators for time spent with their work.
AFAICT few even think of their projects as part of an ecosystem.