#nollm — Public Fediverse posts

Hey, it is another crazy cat here!

Thought I would try create some noise around software and people who are writing software without LLMs!

So!

* What things are you working on and does it have a repo? Do you want help or want people to test it?

* Anything else you want to add?

Also, let's try and get some community chat/place to get people to participate, collaborate and have fun!

So!

* Any existing channels on IRC, Matrix and/or Signal (or other things)

* Forums or Websites that are actively promoting this kind of collaboration or around software that isn't constructed with an LLM.

#noai #foss #community #projects #fun #collaborate #nollm

Fucking hell #firefox

https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/firefox-exa-partnership/

The moment I can run ublock origin on #servo I'm purging Firefox from my life. #noai #nollm

Silly question for the #NoLLM #Linux users out there.

Allegedly, the last commit to the Linux kernel that was "clean" before slop started being introduced was made in January 2025.

https://codeberg.org/ethical-foss/open-slopware#kernels
https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=d337f4524861f4e74c31ee575d60f2eaa1e82388

Now, dumping out all the patches between there and kernel 7.1-rc6 (where my local working tree stops), `git format-patch` produces 58437 patch files. Of these, there's ~294 that have the `Assisted-by` taint marker.

It'll take some re-work, but we might be able to re-factor those out in a new fork of the Linux kernel, a possible hard-fork.

If I wound a tree back to `d337f45`, and re-applied all the allegedly "clean" patches, leaving aside the 294 tainted ones, would people be willing to pitch in and help carry this project forward?

Oh, great. So apparently #Microsoft decided to add "#Copilot Pull Request Reviewer" to my "Authorized #GitHub Apps", behind my back.

If you need to check quick: https://github.com/settings/apps/authorizations

#NoAI #NoLLM

Very happy I moved to Codeberg from that not-to-be-named corporate code publishing site...

> Protecting our FLOSS commons from LLMs

https://blog.codeberg.org/protecting-our-floss-commons-from-llms.html

#NoLLM #NoAI #FuckAI #AI

@bibliolater

The bubble does what every bubble wants to do: it breaches all limits of sanity. The laws of phyiscs and the laws of logic all are being suspended. Or so it seems, until the inevitable return to reality. In the meantime, valuable resources worth trillions of dollars are being misdirected. What a collosal waste.

Tulips at least did not material harm. Come back, Tulip Mania.

#noAI #noLLM #StopTheAICorruption #bubbles #nvidia #TulipMania

Okay, not using "#AI" isn't hard.

It's not like anybody's asking you to switch to a more expensive vegan diet when you've been eating meat all your life and you have a bunch of health issues that make any diet changes hard.

It's more like deciding not to switch from a normal diet to one primarily based on McDonald's just because everyone else thinks it's cool, and also you're going to save some time on cooking (at the cost of driving there and back all the time).

What we're literally asking you to consider is to keep doing things like you do, without engaging in a pointless, expensive, destructive hype just because "everyone" thinks it's so great and it gives you positive reinforcement. It's "you've managed not to be a dork so far, why'd you suddenly want to pay extra to become one?"

#NoAI #NoLLM

Bloody frustrating trying to find stuff that's not LLM-tainted now.

I want to build a launcher, ultimately for Wayland, though if I can support X11 with it too… fantastic, there are plenty of X11 window managers that could benefit from something that reads FreeDesktop.org .menu / .desktop files and builds up a menu tree to navigate.

I'm thinking of building this in C++, since gcc have, for now, said they will decline "legally significant LLM content". So far the only bit I know that has ingested slop there is Fortran.

Years ago, I'd have reached for Qt for this, but they embrace the slop now.
Fine, how about FLTK? Nope, they have inhaled as well.
WxWidgets? Just checked their Github page… "A user you have blocked has contributed" (claude).
Tk? Wayland is a work-in-progress. X11 only for now.
Motif? Does anyone use that in 2026?
Xaw? You got to be joking…

GTK+ *looks* clean so far… but then again, I said that about wxWidgets a month back … and I utterly detest dealing with GTK… but that might be my only viable option.

Ugh I hate this timeline.

#NoLLM #GUIToolkit #rant

Since #homeassistant accepts AI contributions I'm looking for a #noai #nollm FOSS alternative, any recommendations from the fediverse?

If anyone's wondering, #Xfce is a #slop junk now too, and the author is busy writing long excuses for them, with full realization of how harmful they are.

https://www.spurint.org/journal/2026/07/llms-and-xfwl4

#NoAI #NoLLM

Update on Bing use-case: quickly view a Gregorian calendar month display with new features and without Copilot noise.

In 2024, I wrote about a use-case for Bing where it vastly outshines all other search engines. https://tantek.com/2024/287/t3/bing-use-case-calendar-month

Since then, Bing has added “Copilot” LLM generated results to the top of search results by default, and unfortunately they add zero value to calendar month searches and displays. Worse, Copilot’s “summary” can often be long enough to push the actual calendar month display “below the fold” as it were.

Solution: add " -ai" to your query.

E.g. assuming you’ve setup Firefox search shortcuts as I recommended (https://tantek.com/2024/287/t2/setup-search-shortcuts-firefox)

Type this into your Firefox address bar:

b 2026 sep -ai

or directly go to https://bing.com/ and enter: 2026 sep -ai

and press return. You should see a days and weeks grid display for September 2026, with the current day of the month (the 9th as I’m writing this) selected in the displayed month.


Note the new calendar month display features since I last blogged this in 2024:
* Day 252 — day of the year! September 9th of 2026 is the 252nd day of 2026.
* Week 37 — Sept 9th is also on the 37th week of 2026
* 31 days later — Sept 9th is 31 days from today (August 9th).
* < [ Sep v ] > – little anglebracket arrows on either side of the month button/dropdown to one-click nav to the prev/next month
* [ Start Day v ] — a new “Start Day” drop down button to change which day of the week to display as the start of the week

Amazing that despite already being far better than any other search engine for year month queries, Bing has *improved* its calendar month display search results, while Duckduckgo, Google, Yahoo are just as useless (yes I checked) as they were two years ago (I also tried Ecosia and it was no better). I am hashtagging them all to see if anyone at those other search engines notices and gets around to implementing a similar calendar month display.

#search #webSearch #SearchShortcut #Microsoft #Bing #MicrosoftBing #BingSearch #BingTip #searchTip #calendar #month
#CoPilot #NoCoPilot #NoAI #NoGenAI #NoLLM #Firefox #DuckDuckGo #Google #GoogleSearch #Yahoo #YahooSearch #Ecosia.

#Blaugust #Blaugust2026

A heartfelt "no to genAI" from a teaching and education perspective. By Katherine Rundell. l 100% agree.

《 genAI risks becoming an iron curtain that comes down between a young person and their potential for thinking, for experiment and conquering frustration, for stamina and for invention – and thereby, between the young people and their freedom. It risks halting learning before it can take flight. 》

《 It was always very possible to write an essay about Paradise Lost without having read Paradise Lost. This is the first time it is possible to create an essay about Paradise Lost without having read the essay you just “wrote”. This is the first time in history that sentences do not need to have humans behind them. 》

《 The young mind is a spectacular thing. To waste its beauty and strength would be a dereliction of the trust the young are asked to put in the old. 》

https://www.theguardian.com/books/ng-interactive/2026/aug/08/i-hate-what-ai-is-doing-to-the-minds-and-happiness-of-the-young-katherine-rundell-on-the-view-from-the-classroom

#education #learning #noAI #noLLM #KatherineRundell #StopTheAICorruption

I've taken #Gentoo Bugzilla down, because it was unusable anyway. No point in feeding the #LLM scrapers that are using thousands of different IPv4 addresses, with no obvious patterns I can see.

EDIT: I'm not looking for hints. I'm not a sysadmin, and I don't have time to deal with this shit. I'm just trying to get some useful job done. I'm not supposed to have to be dealing with this.

#AI #NoAI #NoLLM

@Lichtenbergian

Fascinating article by Anne Lawrence-Mathers on the _Ars Notoria_. Thank you for the Lichtenbergian assignment!

As you say, the visual element in the Ars Notoria book is interesting. The whole presentation feels very current.

As does the desire by its medieval users to bypass actual learning through the use of arcane methods unrelated to the subject matter. The association with current LLM practices is striking, and rather amusing.

And, just like today's genAI users need to develop ever more sophistiated layers of prompt-management skills, so the medieval Ars Notoria users struggled to meet the extensive technical demands of invoking the substitute methods. Then as now, one wants to ask these users: why not do the real thing?

Thought-provoking stuff!

#ArsNotoria #AnneLawrenceMathers #noAI #noLLM #noShortcuts #StopTheAICorruption

Bon, déjà, l'évidence: l'intelligence artificielle partout, cest une cata.
Mais quand un-e journaliste de ce niveau de pouvoir prétend qu'une I.A.générative est "parfaite", j'estime qu'on devrait supprimer sa carte de presse et le-a retrogader jusqu'à la base.
#StopTheSlop #NoAI #NoLLM

RE: https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:jmusvarqn5czqikhnqdmjyum/post/3msib6zuvea26

If my principles didn't prevent me from doing that, I'd be replying with walls of LLM-generated text of how offended I am whenever someone replies to my bug reports with LLM-generated walls of text.

Also, this is where I lose patience: https://github.com/faust-streaming/cChardet/pull/56#issuecomment-5178676997

#NoAI #NoLLM

@thomasfuchs @_the_cloud @a2_4am this is why AI slop in even the hobbyist realm is poisoning the well.

You don’t know what license it holds, whose underlying work has been stolen, and it diminishes the overall level of true joy of discovery in the community.

And then there’s the training ethics and environmental cost.

It’s a “Look at the shiny thing *I* made without really trying!” situation rather than “Look at this amazing thing I discovered! And now I can create this other thing with that knowledge.”

Something worth doing *is worth doing*.

Pull a handle on a slop…I mean slot…no actually, I mean slop machine to get an answer-shaped dingus is as bad as using AIs for “creative” uses like, oh, I don’t know, blog post header images. Even in the hobby space.

So, using it for creative uses like, oh, I *do* know, programming, is as bad as using it in any creative endeavour.

We’ll end up in a melange of slop in all fields if we don’t resist in all fields because everyone seems to have a “Oh, it’s ok for *that* ‘low value’ endeavour, just not for the one/s *I* care about it being used in.”

Simply: #NoAI #NoLLM #NoGenAI

https://hachyderm.io/@thomasfuchs/117029279844407620

@xexyl

Yes, #noAI is usefull too. As is #noLLM. I have used all of these and still do. In April 2025 I did a small poll on these hashtags:
https://mastodonapp.uk/@the_roamer/115060513680675648

That discussion was in favour of "noAI", but since then I moved more toward "noLLM".

I see the "zuzai" tag as an additional element, and more as whimsical tease, not an all-earnest certificate.

It's ok if there are people who don't know what it means --- they are free to overlook it, or to be puzzled and look it up, or to be puzzled and remain puzzled.

Eg, I once added a brief no-genAI statement to my email signature, but it just felt pedantic and wrong. I removed it after a week. But I can picture myself adding "#zuzai" to my signature. Most will ignore it, some will detect it and will understand, some will search for it. It's more playful and less preachy than the other options.

Searching for zuzai on Google or DDG produces the zuzai.org site right away, so there is no need to add the weblink.

#zuzai

Regex tools are the genAI antidote.

They do right what genAI does wrong.

#regex #RegularExpressions #noLLM #StopTheAICorruption #zuzai

I think warnings like "AI-generated content may be incorrect" or "AI responses may include mistakes" are fundamentally wrong. It makes the user think that, in general, the output is a truth.
The warning should point to the idea that LLM output **sometimes** may be correct.
It should be something like:

"The output is generated by a text generator. Any resemblance to reality is purely coincidental. There is no intelligence behind the text."

Also the warning can be closer to something written on cigarette packs:

"A lot of services were harmed to create the service you're currently using. The Earth is irreversibly damaging right now because of your use this service. Periodical use of such generators may lead to a cognitive surrender."

May be interesting for subscribers #NoSlop #NoLLM #NoAI

@xexyl

I think it's useful to have a quick way of flagging the fact that the text one publishes is written by a human, undistorted by LLM machinery.

It's also useful to have a battle-cry tag when debating those very issues.

Naturally, fighting the pervasive use of genAI is a separate matter from flagging its non-use in a particular text, but in practice the two overlap and I wouldn't mind using #zuzai for both purposes. Not very pure from a philosophcal standpoint, I understand, but to me #zuzai would sound OK in either context.

Which word or words should we use for these purposes? Whatever gets adopted will be fine. I often use #noLLM, or my own personal marker, "#StopTheAICorruption". I'd be glad to use #zuzai instead, or in addition to the other tags.

No such word will be perfect, and if need be we can do without any tag. Though I think tags on Mastodon are cool.

I've setup #syncthing to synchronize my music between my desktop and my android, and run deadbeef on the desktop and vinyl music player on my phone. No more ai-infested #spotify for me! #noai #nollm

Neoliberals: "We agree with all what you said, but this needs to be handled via regulation. We won't be inconveniencing ourselves with boycotting it."

Neoliberals when regulation occurs: "They're taking our freedom!"

#NoAI #NoLLM

And this "entitled prospective user" attitude. "I was planning on moving my projects to #Codeberg, but now I won't". Oh, how sad that you won't give them the benefit of using their free services (okay, I'm sure you were going to donate).

Reminds me of the "entitled prospective contributor" attitude in #Gentoo. "You never heard from me before, but I don't like this new policy. There are dozens of new contributors with me, just around the corner, and now we won't be able to contribute." (This was about the copyright policy, so they could have contributed noncontroversially for a long time, yet they never did.)

#NoAI #NoLLM

I'm trying to keep an open mind.

When someone I used to respect starts using LLMs, I'm thinking: okay, their moral compass is bad, but at least they're putting an effort to review that stuff and they're trying to improve other projects.

When that person writes a pro-AI blog post, complaining that people aren't respecting them anymore, I'm still trying to stay neutral.

But honestly, when said person starts ranting that Codeberg dared ban vibecoded shit, I can't but despise them at this point.

#NoAI #NoLLM

So, Codeberg (which is a FOSS/freedom-focused code hosting site) is run as a cooperative, with members able to nominate measures/policies and vote on them etc.

They just had a vote and approved policies making "AI" / LLM-based projects basically unwelcome there. The vote wasn't close; 70% voted in favour of the policy. It's not a hard & fast "if you use LLM, you're banned" or anything of the sort - it's quite a measured, reasoned stance.

The slopcoders are freaking out. They just don't understand how this is possible. Imagine! A community of people that makes their own decisions and you can't just make them do what you want or ignore them and consume their resources without their consent!

"I like slopcoding, actually" is turning out to be a *really* good litmus test for people you want to have absolutely nothing to do with your project or your community.

Look at some of the whining (this is the only reason I would ever link to YCombinator [1]):
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49021856

[1] Your occasional and irregular reminder: "Hacker" "News" is neither.

#NoAI #NoLLM #sloperator #slopcoding #vibecoding #consent #Codeberg #hosting #forge #community #FOSS #HackerNews #YCombinator

@action_jay

#zuzai

#noLLM #noGenAI #StopTheAICorruption