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I think warnings like "AI-generated content may be incorrect" or "AI responses may include mistakes" are fundamentally wrong. It makes the user think that, in general, the output is a truth.
The warning should point to the idea that LLM output **sometimes** may be correct.
It should be something like:

"The output is generated by a text generator. Any resemblance to reality is purely coincidental. There is no intelligence behind the text."

Also the warning can be closer to something written on cigarette packs:

"A lot of services were harmed to create the service you're currently using. The Earth is irreversibly damaging right now because of your use this service. Periodical use of such generators may lead to a cognitive surrender."

May be interesting for subscribers #NoSlop #NoLLM #NoAI

@xexyl

I think it's useful to have a quick way of flagging the fact that the text one publishes is written by a human, undistorted by LLM machinery.

It's also useful to have a battle-cry tag when debating those very issues.

Naturally, fighting the pervasive use of genAI is a separate matter from flagging its non-use in a particular text, but in practice the two overlap and I wouldn't mind using #zuzai for both purposes. Not very pure from a philosophcal standpoint, I understand, but to me #zuzai would sound OK in either context.

Which word or words should we use for these purposes? Whatever gets adopted will be fine. I often use #noLLM, or my own personal marker, "#StopTheAICorruption". I'd be glad to use #zuzai instead, or in addition to the other tags.

No such word will be perfect, and if need be we can do without any tag. Though I think tags on Mastodon are cool.

I've setup #syncthing to synchronize my music between my desktop and my android, and run deadbeef on the desktop and vinyl music player on my phone. No more ai-infested #spotify for me! #noai #nollm

Neoliberals: "We agree with all what you said, but this needs to be handled via regulation. We won't be inconveniencing ourselves with boycotting it."

Neoliberals when regulation occurs: "They're taking our freedom!"

#NoAI #NoLLM

And this "entitled prospective user" attitude. "I was planning on moving my projects to #Codeberg, but now I won't". Oh, how sad that you won't give them the benefit of using their free services (okay, I'm sure you were going to donate).

Reminds me of the "entitled prospective contributor" attitude in #Gentoo. "You never heard from me before, but I don't like this new policy. There are dozens of new contributors with me, just around the corner, and now we won't be able to contribute." (This was about the copyright policy, so they could have contributed noncontroversially for a long time, yet they never did.)

#NoAI #NoLLM

I'm trying to keep an open mind.

When someone I used to respect starts using LLMs, I'm thinking: okay, their moral compass is bad, but at least they're putting an effort to review that stuff and they're trying to improve other projects.

When that person writes a pro-AI blog post, complaining that people aren't respecting them anymore, I'm still trying to stay neutral.

But honestly, when said person starts ranting that Codeberg dared ban vibecoded shit, I can't but despise them at this point.

#NoAI #NoLLM

So, Codeberg (which is a FOSS/freedom-focused code hosting site) is run as a cooperative, with members able to nominate measures/policies and vote on them etc.

They just had a vote and approved policies making "AI" / LLM-based projects basically unwelcome there. The vote wasn't close; 70% voted in favour of the policy. It's not a hard & fast "if you use LLM, you're banned" or anything of the sort - it's quite a measured, reasoned stance.

The slopcoders are freaking out. They just don't understand how this is possible. Imagine! A community of people that makes their own decisions and you can't just make them do what you want or ignore them and consume their resources without their consent!

"I like slopcoding, actually" is turning out to be a *really* good litmus test for people you want to have absolutely nothing to do with your project or your community.

Look at some of the whining (this is the only reason I would ever link to YCombinator [1]):
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49021856

[1] Your occasional and irregular reminder: "Hacker" "News" is neither.

#NoAI #NoLLM #sloperator #slopcoding #vibecoding #consent #Codeberg #hosting #forge #community #FOSS #HackerNews #YCombinator

@action_jay

#zuzai

#noLLM #noGenAI #StopTheAICorruption

And here is Mr Hepworth. He will be your AI replacement over the coming weeks. Mr Hepworth will accept any prompts that you put to him, and he will respond to them in his own way. You will find the change hard at first, but you will get through this.

#ThePromptFreeLife #StopTheAICorruption #noLLM

"The AI hype cycle would have you believe the technology is inevitable. But AI backlash is growing, as people worry it will steal their jobs, jack up electricity rates and further enrich the wealthy, all while hurting the environment.

… Only 18% of young people ages 14 to 29 say they feel hopeful about AI, according to a recent Gallup survey.

The disdain spans generations and political parties."

AI backlash becomes a real business risk:
https://finance.yahoo.com/sectors/technology/articles/ai-backlash-becomes-real-business-120007051.html

#noAI #noLLM

In the meantime, #GitPython, the package that used to be dead (because the author is busily working on their next great thing) is now slopping out 4 "security" releases a week, as their #slop machine is busily fixing unintended variable expansion in every single URL they call. Unfortunately, they probably don't have enough tokens to fix them all at once, so instead all downstreams have to deal with the churn of endless security releases. Or the brain to figure out that maybe they could just disable variable expansion by default and solve them all at once.

It's truly a great time to be a #Python packager.

#NoAI #NoLLM

Let's say you're building a house. Normally this involves hiring a whole bunch of experts (either directly or via some company). You need to pay a fair wage for their labor, and you have to pay for all the material they're going to use. Some of them will be more experienced than others. They will sometimes make a mistake. They will sometimes get sick. The whole construction work will probably take a few months, and may get delayed in the process. Some construction material will be wasted. There's also a risk that over the next years, you'll discover that they screwed something up, and have to fix it. But you'll get a reasonably good house.

Now, a kid comes and tells you you don't have to do this. Instead of paying all these people, you can hire him. He's wearing a suit and sunshades. He never laid a brick in his whole life. But he's got this new great technology that will give you a great house in no time. Of course it will cost you, but not as much as the labor of all these people. You try to learn more, and you discover that the technology actually builds and razes a hundred of house-like things a day, until it gets close enough to something that actually resembles a house. There's a lot of wasted energy and material, but you don't have to worry because it's all subsidized (for the time being). You pay less, you get a house that looks just right on the outside and inside, and that seems to work just right.

Of course, there's a real risk that in a few months you'll discover that something is wrong. You may have to pay a lot for a real expert to figure out how things were done, and how to fix them. Or they may not be able to help you. You may be stuck having to call the suit again, and he'll happily come and fix it for you. And by "fix", I mean he will just raze a whole part of the house and start randomly spitting it out again until he gets something that looks about right, and works about right. Of course, it may not really be a good fit for the rest of the house, but you don't want to pay for replacing the whole thing, do you? It may also introduce a completely new issues that will surface in a few months, but that's just how it is.

Welcome to the glorious world of #AI.

#NoAI #NoLLM #LLM

Here's a perfect #blog #AntiSpam idea: put an URL field, and say "to pass, you must leave that field empty". Challenge difficulty level: impossible.

#spam #slop #NoAI #NoLLM

I love how people keep shitting up #slop comments that praise my #LLM criticisms. I mean, I probably wouldn't have figured it out if not there were two suspiciously similar comments, and both ofc linked some random slop SaaS.

#AI #NoAI #NoLLM

Now I really want to create a #Gentoo project called "The Butlerian Inquisition".

#NoAI #NoLLM

RE: https://mastodon.social/@rafbuff/116951796523823504

Es gibt auch neuere Entwicklungen zu Memristoren und energiesparenden Synapsen.

KI aber kein LLM

#AI #nollm

So… looking at that "In the weights" site again today… the results are even funnier if someone has less of an "online" presence.

Apparently I and both my parents were actors in BBC show "The Bill"… my father comes up as a soccer player… and my mother apparently was a swimmer in the 1960 summer Olympic games.

So yeah… bullshit machines they are! Sometimes you can trust a little of what they say, and sometimes it's complete and utter crap. We've come to the conclusion that at least one model thinks if it's a British-sounding name, they must've been an actor in "The Bill".

Ironically in those cases, the bit that was considered "hallucination" was: "these are private individuals" , "these names are ambiguous" or "this name relates to multiple people".

#NoLLM #InTheWeights

#TIL #NoAI #NoLLM #HackerNews

https://hacker-news-no-ai.vercel.app/

Let's get this straight: anything created with "AI" is #slop.

It doesn't have to be vibe-coded. It doesn't have to be horrible code. It doesn't matter that you've spent hours perfecting the prompt. It doesn't matter that ten people have spent a week reviewing it in detail.

As long as an "AI" took part in writing it, it's slop. It's an unethical technology, and anything created with it is tainted. It's an inhuman technology, and you're supporting it. You're being disrespectful to your users and contributors. You're putting your own convenience over humanity. You're aiding the worst murderous assholes in the history of humanity. And what's perhaps worst, you quite likely believe that you are making a net positive contribution, that you're helping people, while you're actually disrespecting and harming them.

#NoAI #NoLLM

Finally getting around to delete #spotify from my life. I'm looking for a nice #noai #nollm FOSS music player for android and would appreciate any suggestions!

The most important feature would be the ability to play local media files on the device itself but streaming media from a local media server would also be a nice bonus.

@ludicity

Thank you so much for this super insighful essay! Frightening in many ways, but it also gives me hope, since it at least lets me understand how it happens that madness gets a grip on an organisation.

Very wise words at the end about how to survive in an institution caught by the mania.

#noLLM #StopTheAICorruption

@bert_hubert

<< What started as a few people [...] being caught up in hype has now resulted in an environment where leaders cannot speak honestly about their beliefs on how best to guide organisations, for fear of being removed [...]. This means that the least sensible recommendations are going totally unchallenged, resulting in employees being evaluated on totally gameable metrics such as “money spent on AI”, and those employees must play along to avoid being terminated. >>

Thank you for the link! An exceptiomally insightful, if frightening, report by @ludicity on the mechanisms through which AI mania spreads.

In my own work in a university context, I see glimpses of the same mechanisms, thankfully a little less extreme. We haven't reached the token-count yet, nor the firing-the-sceptic stage, but no doubt those will come to us too. We certainly have otherwise sensible colleagues ruthlessly pushing "AI innovations" because it buys them promotion.

#noLLM #StopTheAICorruption

@bob_zim @jonny

Brilliant!

#noLLM #StopTheAICorruption

@jonny

《 Fable in particular is known to have baffling gibberish intermediate messages, and in general if any of the intermediate "thinking" text was visible it would make it abundantly clear that the only reason these things appear to work is by sheer brute force, just keep generating text until something seems plausible. 》

Oh, lovely. This example shows us in archetypical form the original sin of genAI, doesn't it. Brute force being used to hide the absence of substantive alignment. Highly instructive (and entertaining), as is your entire thread.

#noLLM #StopTheAICorruption

You can see the empty eyes, Lestrade. The self-satisfied smile. This man is no murderer, Inspector. He is an AI victim.

Holmes's voice revealed something akin to pity for the man in custody.

It is plain that our man here has lost all capacity to plan anything as complex as an actual murder of a physical human being. Notice his hand, still grasping the ergonomic mouse even though you have taken away his laptop. Too much ego boosting from the Affirmation Machine has closed him in on himself. If you check his laptop, you will find an open Claude session, not a floor plan of the victim's apartment.

Your murderer is still out and about, Lestrade. What the man before us needs is rest and an Affirmation detox.

#SherlockHolmes #noLLM #StopTheAICorruption

#Microsoft : Embrace, extend, and extinguish

#Facebook: little red book https://v1.benbarry.com/project/facebooks-book

And now it's culminating with #GenAI #LicenseWashing, #AIslop contributions and maintainers burning out

https://bsky.app/profile/samlearner.bsky.social/post/3mqew2x5vws2k

The long overdue schism between the "pragmatic" open source camp and the "ideological" camp leaning towards #NoLLM is finally happening, and we do need it to avoid being extinguished...

This is the original #LittleRedBook by the way, and it's quite fitting how both #BigTech and most communist parties seek to have a #totalitarian #monopoly over the ... um, means of production

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quotations_from_Chairman_Mao_Tse-tung?wprov=sfla1

> Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun

The state of #Python ecosystem right now: almost everything is slop. Some projects are complete vibe-coded slop (autobahn, chardet, cryptography). Some projects are disguised slop ("Coding agents shouldn't co-author themselves.")

There is only a handful of human projects left (Flask being one bright example). And they're being killed. They're being killed by the neverending slew of slop pull requests. They're being killed by all their dependencies becoming slop. They're being killed because this whole ecosystem has became such a complete cesspit that you have zero motivation to do anything.

EDIT: and honestly, this is only going to get worse. When you kill the incentive to work on projects, you only get more slop. Maintainers give in, and more projects become slop. Or they give up, and projects get forked unto slop.

#NoAI #NoLLM

Hmm, so gfortran (part of the gcc suite) now has slop in it.

https://slopscan.ava.pet/repo/https%3A%2F%2Fgcc%2Egnu%2Eorg%2Fgit%2Fgcc

Of course it's got a long way to catch up to LLVM…

https://slopscan.ava.pet/repo/https%3A%2F%2Fgithub%2Ecom%2Fllvm%2Fllvm%2Dproject

Given Zig uses LLVM, I wonder where that puts them?

#NoLLM #gcc #fortran #llvm #zig

@warandpeas @oberstenzian Oh! We are so glad that the jew killing button is actually optional and users aren't forced at gunpoint to use it. That was definitely the one and only concern behind pointing out that it's there and not the implications of the leadership whose stated goal is to reduce genocide thinking it fit to make it in the first place and the dark patterns funneling users who don't understand its impact to make use of it.

So great that it allows Us be a good liberal (insult) and use the settings option that lets Us not think about the harm being done at scale, it's clearly fine as long as We don't personally participate in that one part while contributing to their operations otherwise.

(Sarcasm frothing at the edges of mouth like crumbs of hastily stolen cake.)

#NoAI #NoLLM

@lrhodes

Quite incredible.

OUP World Classics brings out a new translation of Proust's La Prisonnière, and it turns out that the translator (Andrew Rothwell) assembled his copy from fragments provided to him by a genAI tool. And he couldn'd even be bothered to tell the editor about it! The Way We Live Now.

Painfully strong Invasion of the Body Snatchers vibes. Who hasn't been turned around yet?

(Thank you for the link to the LitHub essay. An excellent piece of writing and nuanced reflection by Bryan Charles.)

#Proust #BryanCharles #AndrewRothwell #translation #noLLM #StopTheAICorruption