#elogind — Public Fediverse posts
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Figured out how to get around KDE, elogind and music player daemon (mpd) just dying when you connect to it.
1. Log into console as user
2. Run mpd &
3. Log outmpd stays up and running and works in KDE. You just have to start mpd outside of the "KDE session".
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Figured out how to get around KDE, elogind and music player daemon (mpd) just dying when you connect to it.
1. Log into console as user
2. Run mpd &
3. Log outmpd stays up and running and works in KDE. You just have to start mpd outside of the "KDE session".
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So much for '#SystemD is not a monolith' guilt tripping. It's modular in theory alone. #Flatpak is the next critical software to introduce a hard dependency on systemd, after #Gnome. Those of us using #Runit, #OpenRC, #GNUShepherd etc are looking at a situation similar to #elogind.
What's common among them? A corporate #OpenSource ecosystem that only they can maintain. Meanwhile, those who question this are treated with contempt!
https://www.osnews.com/story/145071/flatpak-will-depend-on-systemd/
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So much for '#SystemD is not a monolith' guilt tripping. It's modular in theory alone. #Flatpak is the next critical software to introduce a hard dependency on systemd, after #Gnome. Those of us using #Runit, #OpenRC, #GNUShepherd etc are looking at a situation similar to #elogind.
What's common among them? A corporate #OpenSource ecosystem that only they can maintain. Meanwhile, those who question this are treated with contempt!
https://www.osnews.com/story/145071/flatpak-will-depend-on-systemd/
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Solving the mystery of niri and swayidle—elogind
Based on the debug output from
swayidle, I started researching what the heckorg.freedesktop.login1.Managerwas doing. When usingsway, this was not used on my non-systemd system, andswayidleworks as expected.With
sway, the way it is working, from a casual user’s perspective:swayidleintercepts for an “idle state” message.swayidleruns the script that I have configured—swaylock-pluginlocks and the background is rotated continually.
Using
nirion my non-systemd system, there does seem to be this extra piece in the mix—logind. Or in my caseelogind.swayidleintercepts aPrepareForSleep signal...
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Solving the mystery of niri and swayidle—elogind
Based on the debug output from
swayidle, I started researching what the heckorg.freedesktop.login1.Managerwas doing. When usingsway, this was not used on my non-systemd system, andswayidleworks as expected.With
sway, the way it is working, from a casual user’s perspective:swayidleintercepts for an “idle state” message.swayidleruns the script that I have configured—swaylock-pluginlocks and the background is rotated continually.
Using
nirion my non-systemd system, there does seem to be this extra piece in the mix—logind. Or in my caseelogind.swayidleintercepts aPrepareForSleep signal...
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@developing_agent @mcc @ariadne
That's because systemd-logind, which is massively coupled to everything and not very cohesive, and is also never packaged as an individual thing, is and was one of the root causes of the problem.
Even just separately packaging it would have avoided much of the original Debian Hoo-Hah in 2013, as I pointed out back then.
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@developing_agent @mcc @ariadne
That's because systemd-logind, which is massively coupled to everything and not very cohesive, and is also never packaged as an individual thing, is and was one of the root causes of the problem.
Even just separately packaging it would have avoided much of the original Debian Hoo-Hah in 2013, as I pointed out back then.
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This slow rolling #inxi / #pinxi refactor is hitting little things left and right, first the redo of the ps data handler, which morphed into the program version refactor, which then morphed into the just completed Display Manager refactor, which expanded to add the previously incorrectly ID'ed login/seat managers, like #seatd, #greetd, #elogind. Now inxi shows dm if detected dm, but if not, shows login: [manager] item instead. This covers situations like sway, labwc etc, started by seatd.
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Betanews: Debian-based antiX-23 (Arditi del Popolo) is the Systemd-free Linux experience of your dreams https://betanews.com/2023/08/30/antix-23-debian-bookworm-systemd-free-linux-distro-review/ #secureremoteconnection #open-sourcecomputing #command-lineapps #DebianBookworm #elogind-free #systemd-free #LibreOffice #Linuxdistro #antiX-23 #Article #IceWM
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@sir: Indeed. Feels like a valid statement for quite some situations, even situations, not everyone will agree with, like this one:
For me, a software which causes so much #pain that other started writing alternatives, is #systemd.
Without systemd, nobody would have had to write or #fork #eudev, #elogind, docker-systemctl-replacement, #opentmpfiles (by #OpenRC), etc.
Nobody would have ever created #Devuan and we wouldn't need an externally hosted (!) #debian-init-diversity mailing list, etc.
