#eightpoint — Public Fediverse posts
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Have just discovered that recent versions of #OpenSSH may prevent some from connecting to the #Eightpoint open-access #Solaris#Unix system. If you are impacted by the deprication of ssh-rsa and ssh-dsa in OpenSSH, please login with the following command:
ssh -oHostKeyAlgorithms=ssh-rsa -oKexAlgorithms=diffie-hellman-group-exchange-sha1 -p 62222 [email protected]
CC: @SolarisDiaspora
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hmmm... anyone able to send us US$35 to pay the #Eightpoint bill, yall?
PayPal: [email protected]
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admin/tech announcement: ok folks, at 23:00 Pacific Time we will be taking #Eightpoint down to update #Mastodon to address security vulnerabilities... or at least, to try
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CW: longish post, emotional, thank you 💜
One year ago today I went bowling & had pizza with some people from a local trans support group. My wife drove me there, suspecting (rightly) that if left on my own I might have gotten "lost" on the subway & never made it there. It was the first time I had been out socializing without my wife in over 25 years &, obviously, the first time since I started transitioning 7 months before. It was also the first time I knowingly met other trans people in person.
That night changed my life forever, most importantly in showing me that the introvert I thought myself to be was just as much of a lie as the man I had pretended to be. And as community has been on my mind a lot lately, I just wanted to say thank you to everyone here, but especially all the people who were on #Eightpoint back in November & December.
You created a community where, for the first time in my life, I felt I could belong. Where I could learn things about myself I had never felt secure enough to explore.
Where I actually felt safe enough to open up & share myself with other people. Where I have been able to make friends that I actually want to hold on to & travel across the world to see.And even though I find myself wondering a lot these days if I still belong here, I know that I would not still be around today to wonder anything if not for that community you all built & welcomed me into. So, again, thank you. You are all amazing people who show daily that a better world is possible, & I love you all. 💜
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CW: A message to those defending Eightpoint (CW: SA, queerphobia, LONG read)
I get it. I get that having your corner of the internet break away from the rest is a MASSIVE pain in the ass. It feels even worse when, as far as you can tell, the issue has been handled. "Laurelai/Slaanesh isn't in charge anymore. She can't do more harm, and she deserves a chance to be part of this community."
What I think you all need to understand is that this isn't just someone who said shitty things or did a racism and has since apologized. From what we can gather, she's been accused of using a platform much like this one as a means of collecting SA victims. Coming around to a newly-popular social media platform — one used largely by queer people, mind you — and forming a community of her own under a pseudonym is, to put it bluntly, a REALLY suspicious thing for someone with that kind of history to do.
I can't say for certain if Kolektiva's original "crusade" against 8pt was based in transphobia. But I do know that once the true identity of #Slaanesh was uncovered, it became a matter of keeping OTHER QUEER PEOPLE safe from one queer person who happened to be problematic. If you need any further indication that this isn't fueled by transphobia, just look at tech.lgbt's response! Their MAJORITY-TRANS modmin team decided to defederate because they wanted to keep their people from interacting with a known predator.
The LGBTQIA+ community is one that values consent and safety. After all, we've been repeatedly violated in BOTH of those regards on a systemic scale. We're assaulted, verbally and physically abused, and generally treated as second-class citizens for loving and living authentically. It's extremely important for us to work AGAINST this sort of abuse, and it's even MORE vital to do so when it happens within our own community.
As a minority group with these values, not to mention one that has been consistently held down with accusations of being sexual predators, I would expect that we would be more harshly and vehemently opposed to giving such people a second chance. The fact that we have people trying to welcome an ACTUAL offender back into the community is the crux of the issue.
There is no "restorative justice" to be had here. Someone who was poised to abuse a position of power was ousted from that position, and from the community in which she held that position. For said community to then say "actually, come on back in, but you can't be an admin anymore" is absolutely absurd. It totally disregards the safety of those who don't know who LB is, who don't know her history.
I know I'm going to be accused of spreading #FUD about a trans woman, which is fucking ridiculous because I AM one. But it's important to acknowledge that there are bad actors in ANY group of people. The vast majority of queer people aren't abusers, but there can be and are exceptions, and LB is likely one of them. We can't come to her defense just because she's one of us.
I say this as someone who has been assaulted by another transfem before.
So to summarize:
⋄ Kolektiva's unmasking of Slaanesh, even if not INITIALLY well-intentioned, was not ultimately based in transphobia. I don't doubt there were SOME people involved with that goal in mind, but that doesn't make the situation they uncovered any less serious.
⋄ tech.lgbt's decision to defederate after #eightpoint modmins refused to oust LB entirely is ALSO not based in transphobia, obviously. Said decision was made by a panel of mostly trans people.
⋄ I am questioning the judgment and intentions of anyone who thinks LB should be forgiven and kept around. Trans or not, she is a known danger to those with whom she tries to interact, and I do not believe that knowingly allowing her to do so is the right decision here.
⋄ I recognize that banning her allows her to just make another pseudonym and rejoin the Fediverse elsewhere…but she would be able to do this ANYWAY. At least by publicly disallowing her return, 8pt would be taking a stance. Instead they insist that she deserves a second chance if she wants one, and that's not okay with me.
⋄ I do not blame anyone who was already on eightpoint.app and who wishes to stay there for their own subset of the community, but I would STRONGLY discourage Mastodon/Fediverse newcomers from joining that instance.
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My personal stance on #Eightpointapp RE: #techlgbt defed
We are a small server, but I was asked about this, so here we go.
I once stopped going to a coffee shop for 3 years because I was fed a nothing sandwich by internet outrage. Ever since I have been very careful with blanket decisions, especially when they impact others.
Most defeds I've done have been for trolls or Nazis.
We were all done with this situation back when the user was removed from their administrative post at #Eightpoint and left the server.
I want to be utterly clear, Laurelai Bailey is a bad person. She is not welcome on coop.lol now or at any point in the future. The amount of drama involving her across the internet is absolutely ludicrous for someone so unnoteworthy.
Incoming a super brief rundown. She has had allegations of SA placed against her. She has levied claims of libel against those accusers. In both situations, potential victims have made their decision to not pursue legal recourse. Clearly the truth must lie somewhere in the murky middle there, where only the people present actually know for certain what happened.
She has also been known to be an FBI informant. She was a mod for r/antiwork and r/ContraPoints and was removed following information that determined who she was.
I am not aware of any servers that she is currently on. If that changes, discussions will be held and a decision will be made then, not before. Anything short of that is harmful to the community at large.
cc: @12
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My personal stance on #Eightpointapp RE: #techlgbt defed
We are a small server, but I was asked about this, so here we go.
I once stopped going to a coffee shop for 3 years because I was fed a nothing sandwich by internet outrage. Ever since I have been very careful with blanket decisions, especially when they impact others.
Most defeds I've done have been for trolls or Nazis.
We were all done with this situation back when the user was removed from their administrative post at #Eightpoint and left the server.
I want to be utterly clear, Laurelai Bailey is a bad person. She is not welcome on coop.lol now or at any point in the future. The amount of drama involving her across the internet is absolutely ludicrous for someone so unnoteworthy.
Incoming a super brief rundown. She has had allegations of SA placed against her. She has levied claims of libel against those accusers. In both situations, potential victims have made their decision to not pursue legal recourse. Clearly the truth must lie somewhere in the murky middle there, where only the people present actually know for certain what happened.
She has also been known to be an FBI informant. She was a mod for r/antiwork and r/ContraPoints and was removed following information that determined who she was.
I am not aware of any servers that she is currently on. If that changes, discussions will be held and a decision will be made then, not before. Anything short of that is harmful to the community at large.
cc: @12
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My personal stance on #Eightpointapp RE: #techlgbt defed
We are a small server, but I was asked about this, so here we go.
I once stopped going to a coffee shop for 3 years because I was fed a nothing sandwich by internet outrage. Ever since I have been very careful with blanket decisions, especially when they impact others.
Most defeds I've done have been for trolls or Nazis.
We were all done with this situation back when the user was removed from their administrative post at #Eightpoint and left the server.
I want to be utterly clear, Laurelai Bailey is a bad person. She is not welcome on coop.lol now or at any point in the future. The amount of drama involving her across the internet is absolutely ludicrous for someone so unnoteworthy.
Incoming a super brief rundown. She has had allegations of SA placed against her. She has levied claims of libel against those accusers. In both situations, potential victims have made their decision to not pursue legal recourse. Clearly the truth must lie somewhere in the murky middle there, where only the people present actually know for certain what happened.
She has also been known to be an FBI informant. She was a mod for r/antiwork and r/ContraPoints and was removed following information that determined who she was.
I am not aware of any servers that she is currently on. If that changes, discussions will be held and a decision will be made then, not before. Anything short of that is harmful to the community at large.
cc: @12
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My personal stance on #Eightpointapp RE: #techlgbt defed
We are a small server, but I was asked about this, so here we go.
I once stopped going to a coffee shop for 3 years because I was fed a nothing sandwich by internet outrage. Ever since I have been very careful with blanket decisions, especially when they impact others.
Most defeds I've done have been for trolls or Nazis.
We were all done with this situation back when the user was removed from their administrative post at #Eightpoint and left the server.
I want to be utterly clear, Laurelai Bailey is a bad person. She is not welcome on coop.lol now or at any point in the future. The amount of drama involving her across the internet is absolutely ludicrous for someone so unnoteworthy.
Incoming a super brief rundown. She has had allegations of SA placed against her. She has levied claims of libel against those accusers. In both situations, potential victims have made their decision to not pursue legal recourse. Clearly the truth must lie somewhere in the murky middle there, where only the people present actually know for certain what happened.
She has also been known to be an FBI informant. She was a mod for r/antiwork and r/ContraPoints and was removed following information that determined who she was.
I am not aware of any servers that she is currently on. If that changes, discussions will be held and a decision will be made then, not before. Anything short of that is harmful to the community at large.
cc: @12
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My personal stance on #Eightpointapp RE: #techlgbt defed
We are a small server, but I was asked about this, so here we go.
I once stopped going to a coffee shop for 3 years because I was fed a nothing sandwich by internet outrage. Ever since I have been very careful with blanket decisions, especially when they impact others.
Most defeds I've done have been for trolls or Nazis.
We were all done with this situation back when the user was removed from their administrative post at #Eightpoint and left the server.
I want to be utterly clear, Laurelai Bailey is a bad person. She is not welcome on coop.lol now or at any point in the future. The amount of drama involving her across the internet is absolutely ludicrous for someone so unnoteworthy.
Incoming a super brief rundown. She has had allegations of SA placed against her. She has levied claims of libel against those accusers. In both situations, potential victims have made their decision to not pursue legal recourse. Clearly the truth must lie somewhere in the murky middle there, where only the people present actually know for certain what happened.
She has also been known to be an FBI informant. She was a mod for r/antiwork and r/ContraPoints and was removed following information that determined who she was.
I am not aware of any servers that she is currently on. If that changes, discussions will be held and a decision will be made then, not before. Anything short of that is harmful to the community at large.
cc: @12
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CW: Tech.lgbt defederating Eightpoint.app
In short, because #Eightpoint refuse to block a former admin, outed as a serial rapist from their instance. This harbouring of a sexual predator is putting their community and the wider #fediverse at risk, which goes against #techlgbt's standards for safety & ethics.
I personally agree with the defederating, and think until Eightpoint take a firm public stance against these kinds of things, other instances should follow Tech's lead.
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So I hadn’t been following the #eightpoint and #TechLGBT thing, but having read some of the exchange and the emails that are given I just feel that there’s an odd understanding of ‘Restorative Justice’. And having read the book, “On Repentance and Repair” (a Jewish approach) I feel like the *actual* victims of the perpetrator maybe haven’t been involved as much as they should be?
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So I hadn’t been following the #eightpoint and #TechLGBT thing, but having read some of the exchange and the emails that are given I just feel that there’s an odd understanding of ‘Restorative Justice’. And having read the book, “On Repentance and Repair” (a Jewish approach) I feel like the *actual* victims of the perpetrator maybe haven’t been involved as much as they should be?
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So I hadn’t been following the #eightpoint and #TechLGBT thing, but having read some of the exchange and the emails that are given I just feel that there’s an odd understanding of ‘Restorative Justice’. And having read the book, “On Repentance and Repair” (a Jewish approach) I feel like the *actual* victims of the perpetrator maybe haven’t been involved as much as they should be?
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So I hadn’t been following the #eightpoint and #TechLGBT thing, but having read some of the exchange and the emails that are given I just feel that there’s an odd understanding of ‘Restorative Justice’. And having read the book, “On Repentance and Repair” (a Jewish approach) I feel like the *actual* victims of the perpetrator maybe haven’t been involved as much as they should be?
#EightPointApp -
So I hadn’t been following the #eightpoint and #TechLGBT thing, but having read some of the exchange and the emails that are given I just feel that there’s an odd understanding of ‘Restorative Justice’. And having read the book, “On Repentance and Repair” (a Jewish approach) I feel like the *actual* victims of the perpetrator maybe haven’t been involved as much as they should be?
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I don't think I have the spoons this morning to deal with the #defederation drama. I want to say a lot more, but really don't have the energy. Perhaps later.
It's pretty damn depressing in the light of all that is going on to wake up to another round of seeing trans femme connections on the #fediverse being ripped apart; the blasé attitudes about migrating instances that seems to think there's no loss involved; the performative liberalism; and ugh, some of the comments about #eightpoint that are absolutely puritanical & SWERFy - and that probably makes my blood boil the most - the unofficial stuff that's not put in a statement but comes out in the ensuing conversations.
On the last point you can throw me in with the "extremely sexual white #trans women" that you don't like. It'd be an honour.
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I'm new on mastodon. Are there always so much dramatic server issues?
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CW: talking about abuse
how some members of the #eightpoint have behaved reminded me so much of my abusive ex.
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Yeesh, #eightpoint was going to be one of my other go-to instances if mastodon.lol didn't work out. Hearing that they're likely shielding an abuser is as much a dealbreaker for me as it is for most of you.
Guess I'll see y'all on Kolektiva or wherever else you jump to
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Hey look the #EightPoint "no unnecessary shit-talking" rule that people were wringing their hands over is gone so congrats I guess
Surely #Mastodon will be safe now that we can all keep circulating years-old screenshots of some trans girl tweeting something insensitive
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Being trans in this world too often feels like being in a war, constantly struggling to survive in a world that is hostile to us. #Eightpoint has been like what I imagine shore leave to be, a place for all of us to step away from the war & relax, to just let ourselves live for a while before going back to the fight. And though I have only been here for a couple of weeks, the people who make up this instance have already made my life so much better than it ever was before. So thank you to all of you who are in this fight with me, & I hope you can all find your safety as well 💜
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The promise of the #EightPoint Mastodon instance is that when you join the nasty stories that other people made up about you that have followed you around everywhere else ever since won't follow you into EightPoint. Any transfeminine person should be able to appreciate that. 7/9
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I never knew #LaurelaiBailey. She was before my time. I have no idea if #Slaanesh is her or not. I don't think anyone else on the #EightPoint Mastodon instance knows either. She's no longer involved in 8P. But I don't think any of that matters. 1/9
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on a serious note, please send me kitten pictures.
I'll talk about what happened within the next day or so given what's been happening with #eightpoint tonight
I'm rattled having to be reminded of my own SA so yeah the past few days haven't been the best for me
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I've never threatened or doxxed or abused anyone but people including fellow #transfems call me "dangerous".
Meanwhile people who literally post #stochasticterrorism calling for the #murder of a #transwoman still gets to remain harmless precious little smol beans.
Make it make sense.
#transmisogyny #socialmedia #mastodon #eightpoint #kolektiva
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The #predatorjacketing and #deaththreats launched at #Eightpoint by members of #Kolektiva are a perfect demonstration of why I'm an anarcha-transfeminist first and anarcho-communist second (along with most of EP btw, #anarchists and #transfeminine people have never been separate groups!)
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Whenever #transfeminine people dare to set boundaries or advocate for ourselves, other people, even other #transfems, get very, very angry, and decide that we need to be punished, because we have forgotten our place and we must be reminded of it. That's what's happening to #Eightpoint right now.
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Individuals on the #Kolektiva #Mastodon instance have escalated to directly and brazenly threatening the life of the #Eightpoint instance administrator.
https://kolektiva.social/@flowers/109446255568589280
https://kolektiva.social/@flowers/109445526050702254
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#eightpoint and #kolektiva users: I am attempting to document what the fuck is going on. Please let me know what you think should be in this document, by contacting me by one of the means on my contact page, linked in the document. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ck9myWJTiZACmci5F-uluujFhDxi3voxPKqo8y-ZPuc/edit