#doubleempathy — Public Fediverse posts

8. Finally – this could have been a blog post! – under ‘Limitations’, the authors identify four caveats, one of which suggests further research to link ‘subjective reports of discomfort with neural activity patterns during eye gaze’

That is, they want to make sure we actually *are* uncomfortable with what they’re doing!

But they also doubt it would really tell them anything useful because of ‘the potential limitations of self-reports in a condition that is very often associated with alexithymia’

Very conveniently for them, it seems we’re not reliable witnesses of our own feelings!

In the last paragraph under ‘Limitations’, the authors talk about potential clinical implications ‘despite these caveats’:

‘… during behavioral therapy, forcing individuals with autism to look in the eyes might be counterproductive and elicit more anxiety …’

They had me at ‘during behavioral therapy’ – behavioural ‘therapy’ (ABA, PBS etc.) is abuse, akin to conversion ‘therapy’

’… however, by not looking at the eyes, the person with ASD will continue to miss critical social information, …’

Again, critical for whom?

‘… and somehow one has to help them to gather all these important cues.’

Oh great, so it’s up to the neurotypicals to ‘somehow’ help us do something we don’t want to do

‘One possible strategy could consist in progressively habituating individuals with ASD to look into the eyes, analogous to the way surgeons habituate to look at open bleeding bodies, and then in incentivizing them to look at the eyes, finding a way to make eye contact somehow less stressful.’

WTF?!

And on that note, I’ll leave it

#ActuallyAutistic #ableism #DoubleEmpathy

8. Finally – this could have been a blog post! – under ‘Limitations’, the authors identify four caveats, one of which suggests further research to link ‘subjective reports of discomfort with neural activity patterns during eye gaze’

That is, they want to make sure we actually *are* uncomfortable with what they’re doing!

But they also doubt it would really tell them anything useful because of ‘the potential limitations of self-reports in a condition that is very often associated with alexithymia’

Very conveniently for them, it seems we’re not reliable witnesses of our own feelings!

In the last paragraph under ‘Limitations’, the authors talk about potential clinical implications ‘despite these caveats’:

‘… during behavioral therapy, forcing individuals with autism to look in the eyes might be counterproductive and elicit more anxiety …’

They had me at ‘during behavioral therapy’ – behavioural ‘therapy’ (ABA, PBS etc.) is abuse, akin to conversion ‘therapy’

’… however, by not looking at the eyes, the person with ASD will continue to miss critical social information, …’

Again, critical for whom?

‘… and somehow one has to help them to gather all these important cues.’

Oh great, so it’s up to the neurotypicals to ‘somehow’ help us do something we don’t want to do

‘One possible strategy could consist in progressively habituating individuals with ASD to look into the eyes, analogous to the way surgeons habituate to look at open bleeding bodies, and then in incentivizing them to look at the eyes, finding a way to make eye contact somehow less stressful.’

WTF?!

And on that note, I’ll leave it

#ActuallyAutistic #ableism #DoubleEmpathy

8. Finally – this could have been a blog post! – under ‘Limitations’, the authors identify four caveats, one of which suggests further research to link ‘subjective reports of discomfort with neural activity patterns during eye gaze’

That is, they want to make sure we actually *are* uncomfortable with what they’re doing!

But they also doubt it would really tell them anything useful because of ‘the potential limitations of self-reports in a condition that is very often associated with alexithymia’

Very conveniently for them, it seems we’re not reliable witnesses of our own feelings!

In the last paragraph under ‘Limitations’, the authors talk about potential clinical implications ‘despite these caveats’:

‘… during behavioral therapy, forcing individuals with autism to look in the eyes might be counterproductive and elicit more anxiety …’

They had me at ‘during behavioral therapy’ – behavioural ‘therapy’ (ABA, PBS etc.) is abuse, akin to conversion ‘therapy’

’… however, by not looking at the eyes, the person with ASD will continue to miss critical social information, …’

Again, critical for whom?

‘… and somehow one has to help them to gather all these important cues.’

Oh great, so it’s up to the neurotypicals to ‘somehow’ help us do something we don’t want to do

‘One possible strategy could consist in progressively habituating individuals with ASD to look into the eyes, analogous to the way surgeons habituate to look at open bleeding bodies, and then in incentivizing them to look at the eyes, finding a way to make eye contact somehow less stressful.’

WTF?!

And on that note, I’ll leave it

#ActuallyAutistic #ableism #DoubleEmpathy

8. Finally – this could have been a blog post! – under ‘Limitations’, the authors identify four caveats, one of which suggests further research to link ‘subjective reports of discomfort with neural activity patterns during eye gaze’

That is, they want to make sure we actually *are* uncomfortable with what they’re doing!

But they also doubt it would really tell them anything useful because of ‘the potential limitations of self-reports in a condition that is very often associated with alexithymia’

Very conveniently for them, it seems we’re not reliable witnesses of our own feelings!

In the last paragraph under ‘Limitations’, the authors talk about potential clinical implications ‘despite these caveats’:

‘… during behavioral therapy, forcing individuals with autism to look in the eyes might be counterproductive and elicit more anxiety …’

They had me at ‘during behavioral therapy’ – behavioural ‘therapy’ (ABA, PBS etc.) is abuse, akin to conversion ‘therapy’

’… however, by not looking at the eyes, the person with ASD will continue to miss critical social information, …’

Again, critical for whom?

‘… and somehow one has to help them to gather all these important cues.’

Oh great, so it’s up to the neurotypicals to ‘somehow’ help us do something we don’t want to do

‘One possible strategy could consist in progressively habituating individuals with ASD to look into the eyes, analogous to the way surgeons habituate to look at open bleeding bodies, and then in incentivizing them to look at the eyes, finding a way to make eye contact somehow less stressful.’

WTF?!

And on that note, I’ll leave it

#ActuallyAutistic #ableism #DoubleEmpathy

8. Finally – this could have been a blog post! – under ‘Limitations’, the authors identify four caveats, one of which suggests further research to link ‘subjective reports of discomfort with neural activity patterns during eye gaze’

That is, they want to make sure we actually *are* uncomfortable with what they’re doing!

But they also doubt it would really tell them anything useful because of ‘the potential limitations of self-reports in a condition that is very often associated with alexithymia’

Very conveniently for them, it seems we’re not reliable witnesses of our own feelings!

In the last paragraph under ‘Limitations’, the authors talk about potential clinical implications ‘despite these caveats’:

‘… during behavioral therapy, forcing individuals with autism to look in the eyes might be counterproductive and elicit more anxiety …’

They had me at ‘during behavioral therapy’ – behavioural ‘therapy’ (ABA, PBS etc.) is abuse, akin to conversion ‘therapy’

’… however, by not looking at the eyes, the person with ASD will continue to miss critical social information, …’

Again, critical for whom?

‘… and somehow one has to help them to gather all these important cues.’

Oh great, so it’s up to the neurotypicals to ‘somehow’ help us do something we don’t want to do

‘One possible strategy could consist in progressively habituating individuals with ASD to look into the eyes, analogous to the way surgeons habituate to look at open bleeding bodies, and then in incentivizing them to look at the eyes, finding a way to make eye contact somehow less stressful.’

WTF?!

And on that note, I’ll leave it

#ActuallyAutistic #ableism #DoubleEmpathy

7. In the Discussion section:

‘In everyday life, [oversensitivity to socio-affective stimuli] may lead to attempts to decrease one’s arousal levels, and first-hand reports suggest that simply avoiding to attend to the eyes of others is one common strategy among individuals with ASD.’

It’s a very good strategy! Works for me anyway

(Here btw is another reference to the listicle in The Mighty, suggesting the authors hadn’t directly engaged with the Autistic community at all!)

The paragraph continues:

‘Such a strategy is unlikely, however, to come without costs, since the eyes carry *important interpersonal and deictic information* during social interaction and communication, …’

Important to whom??

‘… and eye-avoidance may result in cascading effects leading to *improper development of the social brain*’

Improper development? By what standard of propriety?

#ActuallyAutistic #ableism #DoubleEmpathy

7. In the Discussion section:

‘In everyday life, [oversensitivity to socio-affective stimuli] may lead to attempts to decrease one’s arousal levels, and first-hand reports suggest that simply avoiding to attend to the eyes of others is one common strategy among individuals with ASD.’

It’s a very good strategy! Works for me anyway

(Here btw is another reference to the listicle in The Mighty, suggesting the authors hadn’t directly engaged with the Autistic community at all!)

The paragraph continues:

‘Such a strategy is unlikely, however, to come without costs, since the eyes carry *important interpersonal and deictic information* during social interaction and communication, …’

Important to whom??

‘… and eye-avoidance may result in cascading effects leading to *improper development of the social brain*’

Improper development? By what standard of propriety?

#ActuallyAutistic #ableism #DoubleEmpathy

7. In the Discussion section:

‘In everyday life, [oversensitivity to socio-affective stimuli] may lead to attempts to decrease one’s arousal levels, and first-hand reports suggest that simply avoiding to attend to the eyes of others is one common strategy among individuals with ASD.’

It’s a very good strategy! Works for me anyway

(Here btw is another reference to the listicle in The Mighty, suggesting the authors hadn’t directly engaged with the Autistic community at all!)

The paragraph continues:

‘Such a strategy is unlikely, however, to come without costs, since the eyes carry *important interpersonal and deictic information* during social interaction and communication, …’

Important to whom??

‘… and eye-avoidance may result in cascading effects leading to *improper development of the social brain*’

Improper development? By what standard of propriety?

#ActuallyAutistic #ableism #DoubleEmpathy

7. In the Discussion section:

‘In everyday life, [oversensitivity to socio-affective stimuli] may lead to attempts to decrease one’s arousal levels, and first-hand reports suggest that simply avoiding to attend to the eyes of others is one common strategy among individuals with ASD.’

It’s a very good strategy! Works for me anyway

(Here btw is another reference to the listicle in The Mighty, suggesting the authors hadn’t directly engaged with the Autistic community at all!)

The paragraph continues:

‘Such a strategy is unlikely, however, to come without costs, since the eyes carry *important interpersonal and deictic information* during social interaction and communication, …’

Important to whom??

‘… and eye-avoidance may result in cascading effects leading to *improper development of the social brain*’

Improper development? By what standard of propriety?

#ActuallyAutistic #ableism #DoubleEmpathy