#fvwm2 — Public Fediverse posts

I love the old school #Unix desktop environments. It goes hand in hand with the server grade hardware I could never afford, and just oozes industrial quality. Think heavy and intimidating #beige workstations by #HP, #DEC and #Sun with the power consumption of a regular house hold and metal cooling fans that could slice fingers.

Back in the day, #FVWM2 had some of the same vibe. Also, the original Common Desktop Environment (#CDE), created by some of the major vendors of Unix-like systems created back in the day is still available (https://sourceforge.net/projects/cdesktopenv/). If you're used to a modern desktop, it could be a rough experience for daily use though.

Honestly, I'm quite happy with #KDE #Plasma, and would be thrilled by just the visuals. I'm sure you know where I'm going with this, so without further jibberjabber, I give you: The CDE Plasma Theme! It's delicious! :D

https://github.com/spacestate1/cde-plasma

#theme #linux #desktop

I love the old school #Unix desktop environments. It goes hand in hand with the server grade hardware I could never afford, and just oozes industrial quality. Think heavy and intimidating #beige workstations by #HP, #DEC and #Sun with the power consumption of a regular house hold and metal cooling fans that could slice fingers.

Back in the day, #FVWM2 had some of the same vibe. Also, the original Common Desktop Environment (#CDE), created by some of the major vendors of Unix-like systems created back in the day is still available (https://sourceforge.net/projects/cdesktopenv/). If you're used to a modern desktop, it could be a rough experience for daily use though.

Honestly, I'm quite happy with #KDE #Plasma, and would be thrilled by just the visuals. I'm sure you know where I'm going with this, so without further jibberjabber, I give you: The CDE Plasma Theme! It's delicious! :D

https://github.com/spacestate1/cde-plasma

#theme #linux #desktop

I love the old school #Unix desktop environments. It goes hand in hand with the server grade hardware I could never afford, and just oozes industrial quality. Think heavy and intimidating #beige workstations by #HP, #DEC and #Sun with the power consumption of a regular house hold and metal cooling fans that could slice fingers.

Back in the day, #FVWM2 had some of the same vibe. Also, the original Common Desktop Environment (#CDE), created by some of the major vendors of Unix-like systems created back in the day is still available (https://sourceforge.net/projects/cdesktopenv/). If you're used to a modern desktop, it could be a rough experience for daily use though.

Honestly, I'm quite happy with #KDE #Plasma, and would be thrilled by just the visuals. I'm sure you know where I'm going with this, so without further jibberjabber, I give you: The CDE Plasma Theme! It's delicious! :D

https://github.com/spacestate1/cde-plasma

#theme #linux #desktop

I love the old school #Unix desktop environments. It goes hand in hand with the server grade hardware I could never afford, and just oozes industrial quality. Think heavy and intimidating #beige workstations by #HP, #DEC and #Sun with the power consumption of a regular house hold and metal cooling fans that could slice fingers.

Back in the day, #FVWM2 had some of the same vibe. Also, the original Common Desktop Environment (#CDE), created by some of the major vendors of Unix-like systems created back in the day is still available (https://sourceforge.net/projects/cdesktopenv/). If you're used to a modern desktop, it could be a rough experience for daily use though.

Honestly, I'm quite happy with #KDE #Plasma, and would be thrilled by just the visuals. I'm sure you know where I'm going with this, so without further jibberjabber, I give you: The CDE Plasma Theme! It's delicious! :D

https://github.com/spacestate1/cde-plasma

#theme #linux #desktop

I love the old school #Unix desktop environments. It goes hand in hand with the server grade hardware I could never afford, and just oozes industrial quality. Think heavy and intimidating #beige workstations by #HP, #DEC and #Sun with the power consumption of a regular house hold and metal cooling fans that could slice fingers.

Back in the day, #FVWM2 had some of the same vibe. Also, the original Common Desktop Environment (#CDE), created by some of the major vendors of Unix-like systems created back in the day is still available (https://sourceforge.net/projects/cdesktopenv/). If you're used to a modern desktop, it could be a rough experience for daily use though.

Honestly, I'm quite happy with #KDE #Plasma, and would be thrilled by just the visuals. I'm sure you know where I'm going with this, so without further jibberjabber, I give you: The CDE Plasma Theme! It's delicious! :D

https://github.com/spacestate1/cde-plasma

#theme #linux #desktop

Things to discover on [email protected]: https://blogdron.github.io/classic-fvwm.css/ - a CSS theme based on the #fvwm2 look of OpenBSD,
github: https://github.com/nerfur/classic-fvwm.css

Things to discover on [email protected]: https://blogdron.github.io/classic-fvwm.css/ - a CSS theme based on the #fvwm2 look of OpenBSD,
github: https://github.com/nerfur/classic-fvwm.css

A pauta sobre easter eggs da #SegundaFicha cobre apenas jogos? Como um usuário #Linux da velha guarda, gostaria de resgatar o easter egg das antigas versões do Red Hat (incluindo o #Conectiva Red Hat Linux), que exibiam um chapéu giratório se uma determinada região do `timetool` (aplicativo para ajuste de data e hora) era clicada. Não achei captura de tela, então, precisei eu mesmo fazer uma (emulador PCem, distribuição Conectiva Red Hat Linux Marumbi).

🏷️ Etiquetas adicionais: #retrocomputing #redhat #fvwm #fvwm2 #anotherlevel #tcltk #emulacao #emulation

A pauta sobre easter eggs da #SegundaFicha cobre apenas jogos? Como um usuário #Linux da velha guarda, gostaria de resgatar o easter egg das antigas versões do Red Hat (incluindo o #Conectiva Red Hat Linux), que exibiam um chapéu giratório se uma determinada região do `timetool` (aplicativo para ajuste de data e hora) era clicada. Não achei captura de tela, então, precisei eu mesmo fazer uma (emulador PCem, distribuição Conectiva Red Hat Linux Marumbi).

🏷️ Etiquetas adicionais: #retrocomputing #redhat #fvwm #fvwm2 #anotherlevel #tcltk #emulacao #emulation

@Linux_Is_Best #yast was just "yet another setup tool":-)

In my case it was vice versa. I did the setup by hand. And suddenly I realised: There is #yast.
Btw it was #fvwm2 at that time (August 1995) #kde killed my data on my first try... so I used #fvwm2 till the end if it.

@Linux_Is_Best #yast was just "yet another setup tool":-)

In my case it was vice versa. I did the setup by hand. And suddenly I realised: There is #yast.
Btw it was #fvwm2 at that time (August 1995) #kde killed my data on my first try... so I used #fvwm2 till the end if it.

@michaela #fvwm2 hier, für eine lange Zeit. Mit stark angepasster Konfiguration.

Das meiste davon habe ich dann direkt in #KDE übernommen und nicht mehr zurück geblickt.

@michaela #fvwm2 hier, für eine lange Zeit. Mit stark angepasster Konfiguration.

Das meiste davon habe ich dann direkt in #KDE übernommen und nicht mehr zurück geblickt.

Updated fvwm major release package is now available.

OK, #update #fvwm2 to #fvwm3.

96% of fvwm2 configuration Just Works in fvwm3 with no changes.

Syntax to specify location of pixmaps seems to have changed. OK, simple fix. Now 97% working.

Menu background pattern definition has changed. It's done in Colorsets now. OK, a little bit of fiddling around, and that's fixed. Now 98% working.

FvwmPerl geometry precalculation isn't working. At all. That turns out to be a syntax change somewhere down the line. Apply the change. Now 99% working.

That just leaves dynamic positioning of some popups. And ... WTF?
OK, how about .... Nope.
Perhaps...? Nope.
Should that flag be there? Let's try without it. Nope.
Does this one help? Nope.
Oops, that one's not supposed to be there at all. Let's disable that ... Nope.
"Try removing this flag and using this one." Aha! Now we're getting somewhere. Update the math in that precalculation, because it's stale because the preprocessing has been broken so long and my monitor resolution is twice what it was when it last worked. Now everything works.

But what's with those changed positioning flags? It's been that way for so long. How did this EVER work?!?

@thindil @thomasadam How exactly would that work? I mean, I *did* use #fvwm2 "inside" #KDE a long time ago, but scripted the ~/.xsession for that manually ...

So, if there's some .desktop file for #fvwm3 with "Type=XSession", would e.g. sddm offer me a session "Plasma+FVWM3" or something like that when plasma is installed as well? 🤔

@thindil @thomasadam How exactly would that work? I mean, I *did* use #fvwm2 "inside" #KDE a long time ago, but scripted the ~/.xsession for that manually ...

So, if there's some .desktop file for #fvwm3 with "Type=XSession", would e.g. sddm offer me a session "Plasma+FVWM3" or something like that when plasma is installed as well? 🤔

@snowdusk I used to love #fvwm2 back then... glad to see it's still in use!

Have you ever considered to dare to try and run #plasma on this machine? It's much less ressource hungry these days than one would fear...

I idly attempted to move to #fvwm3 from my current #fvwm2 setup (with a somewhat old fvwm2 version), using the same configuration file, but things didn't go. All my colour settings seemed to drop out, among other visual oddities. Oh well, something for the future.

(My current setup works fine so my energy and motivation for switching is not high. I tried it now because of the libX11 issues; if it needs fvwm fixes, they'll likely only be made to fvwm3.)

I idly attempted to move to #fvwm3 from my current #fvwm2 setup (with a somewhat old fvwm2 version), using the same configuration file, but things didn't go. All my colour settings seemed to drop out, among other visual oddities. Oh well, something for the future.

(My current setup works fine so my energy and motivation for switching is not high. I tried it now because of the libX11 issues; if it needs fvwm fixes, they'll likely only be made to fvwm3.)

Heads up #fvwm people: it appears that libX11 1.8.x and fvwm may not get along very well (and in Fedora 37, the combination appears to make the X server unhappy too). libX11 1.8 apparently has a number of internal changes to be more 'correct' (in accordance with API documentation) that may make clients unhappy, cf https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/lib/libx11/-/merge_requests/150

(found by @leah when I hit my libX11 1.8 problems in Fedora 37. I'm on #fvwm2 but maybe this applies to #fvwm3 too.)

Heads up #fvwm people: it appears that libX11 1.8.x and fvwm may not get along very well (and in Fedora 37, the combination appears to make the X server unhappy too). libX11 1.8 apparently has a number of internal changes to be more 'correct' (in accordance with API documentation) that may make clients unhappy, cf https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/lib/libx11/-/merge_requests/150

(found by @leah when I hit my libX11 1.8 problems in Fedora 37. I'm on #fvwm2 but maybe this applies to #fvwm3 too.)

#fvwm #trivia!

For #fvwm1 (and for a time, #fvwm2), the man page used to have a BUGS section which listed the following:

As of fvwm 0.99 there were exactly 39.342 unidentified bugs. Identified bugs have mostly been fixed, though. Since then 9.34 bugs have been fixed.

Assuming that there are at least 10 unidentified bugs for every identified one, that leaves us with 39.342 - 9.32 + 10 * 9.34 = 123.402 unidentified bugs. If we follow this to its logical conclusion we will have an infinite number of unidentified bugs before the number of bugs can start to diminish, at which point the program will be bug-free.

Since this is a computer program infinity = 3.4028e+38 if you don't insist on double-precision. At the current rate of bug discovery we should expect to achieve this point in 3.37e+27 years

I guess I better plan on passing this thing on to my children....

The "I" here refers to Robert Nation, the original creator of #fvwm and #rxvt.

As it happens, I've not been able to reduce the number of bugs in #fvwm3 either, and I've no grandchildren...

Visiting my family, I found the CDROM of the first #Linux I ever installed, it was #Suse Linux 5.2 free on the cover of #PCPro. With a little help from #PCem I got it going again, 22 years later, it's still pretty usable :-o #fvwm2 #Netscape #xf86confighell

Visiting my family, I found the CDROM of the first #Linux I ever installed, it was #Suse Linux 5.2 free on the cover of #PCPro. With a little help from #PCem I got it going again, 22 years later, it's still pretty usable :-o #fvwm2 #Netscape #xf86confighell

@macsnider Thanks! "Make it sticky"! Somewhat reminds me of the sticky posts app that I used under #fvwm2 - what was its name again?

@macsnider Thanks! "Make it sticky"! Somewhat reminds me of the sticky posts app that I used under #fvwm2 - what was its name again?