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[P] A main 5.5E goal SHOULD have been to clean out Gygax's vileness. Even for his time he was a gross dickhead. But no. WotC's goal? "Let's make D&D more corporate, let's maks it a focus-tested live service product!" And I'm NOT here for it. They could fix D&D's actual problems with bigotry to make it truly inclusive, but instead it really does feel like they're gearing up for billboards and paladins drinking coke. Dystopic.
#psychology #actuallyautistic #dungeonsanddragons #dnd #dnd55e
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[P] And yes, there's heaps of sexism still baked into D&D.
The two opposing dragon gods, for example:
Tiamat — Female: Evil; Vindictive; Spiteful; Manipulative; Scheming; Demonic.
Bahamut — Male: Good; Noble; Protective; Kind; Charming; Saintly.So any inclusiveness D&D has is surface kevel and shallow. Gygax was a racist, sexist, biological determinist arsehole and so much of his poison haunts D&D. They've barely fixed that.
#psychology #actuallyautistic #dungeonsanddragons #dnd #dnd55e
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[P] And yes, there's heaps of sexism still baked into D&D.
The two opposing dragon gods, for example:
Tiamat — Female: Evil; Vindictive; Spiteful; Manipulative; Scheming; Demonic.
Bahamut — Male: Good; Noble; Protective; Kind; Charming; Saintly.So any inclusiveness D&D has is surface level and shallow. Gygax was a racist, sexist, biological determinist arsehole and so much of his poison haunts D&D. They've barely fixed that.
#psychology #actuallyautistic #dungeonsanddragons #dnd #dnd55e
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[P] And seeing that they're going digital with a subscription model? It clicked. The closest modern experience to those '80s cartoons is a certain era of mobile games. For the younger out there, reading this, it might help to say D&D by way of Candg Crush. It isn't even inckusive, either. So much of Gygax's detestabke sexism is still baked into this digital subscription live service product. I don't like what that suggests.
#psychology #actuallyautistic #dungeonsanddragons #dnd #dnd55e
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[P] And seeing that they're going digital with a subscription model? It clicked. The closest modern experience to those '80s cartoons is a certain era of mobile games. For the younger out there, reading this, it might help to say D&D by way of Candg Crush. It isn't even inckusive, either. So much of Gygax's detestabke sexism is still baked into this digital subscription live service product. I don't like what that suggests.
#psychology #actuallyautistic #dungeonsanddragons #dnd #dnd55e
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[P] It feels like D&D is weaponising that shallow advert-aesthetic. It's focus-tested. It's designed to get dopamine pumping, to have the lab rats feel rewarded just by looking at it. It isn't taking risks! It has no identity, because if one had an identity, one might not cast the widest net. This is what those '80s cartoons did. Some compare it with Marvel's "capeshit," but it's so much more shallow than even that.
#psychology #actuallyautistic #dungeonsanddragons #dnd #dnd55e
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[P] It feels like D&D is weaponising that shallow advert-aesthetic. It's focus-tested. It's designed to get dopamine pumping, to have the lab rats feel rewarded just by looking at it. It isn't taking risks! It has no identity, because if one had an identity, one might not cast the widest net. This is what those '80s cartoons did. Some compare it with Marvel's "capeshit," but it's so much more shallow than even that.
#psychology #actuallyautistic #dungeonsanddragons #dnd #dnd55e
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[P] It looks like advertising! It has the aesthetic of advertising. It's hard to articulate to anyone who hadn't had the unfortunate experience of the '80s. I was so glad when we were done with that. It's why I use really shallow toy cartoons as a touchstine. You know the sort, not few good ones like BraveStarr, Ulysses 31, or Willy Fog. No. I mean like Mask, Visionaries, and their ilk. Literal 20 minute ads for kids.
#psychology #actuallyautistic #dungeonsanddragons #dnd #dnd55e
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[P] It looks like advertising! It has the aesthetic of advertising. It's hard to articulate to anyone who hadn't had the unfortunate experience of the '80s. I was so glad when we were done with that. It's why I use really shallow toy cartoons as a touchstine. You know the sort, not few good ones like BraveStarr, Ulysses 31, or Willy Fog. No. I mean like Mask, Visionaries, and their ilk. Literal 20 minute ads for kids.
#psychology #actuallyautistic #dungeonsanddragons #dnd #dnd55e
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[P] What an awful dystopia we live in. The reason why the 3.5E era is looked upon fondly is because it was artist-driven. They needed someone to drag them out of the testosterone-pumped, sexist, Conan shit of 2E. It was a shift that actually began in late 2E, funnily enough, but it peaked around 3.5E. 3.5E had this cohesive dungeonpunk aesthetic because it was artist driven. 5.5E has me expecting in-Universe ad billboards.
#psychology #actuallyautistic #dungeonsanddragons #dnd #dnd55e
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[P] What an awful dystopia we live in. The reason why the 3.5E era is looked upon fondly is because it was artist-driven. They needed someone to drag them out of the testosterone-pumped, sexist, Conan shit of 2E. It was a shift that actually began in late 2E, funnily enough, but it peaked around 3.5E. 3.5E had this cohesive dungeonpunk aesthetic because it was artist driven. 5.5E has me expecting in-Universe ad billboards.
#psychology #actuallyautistic #dungeonsanddragons #dnd #dnd55e
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[P] I mean, older editions were guulty of this too, but never to this extent. This is like those shallow '80s toy cartoobs that existed solely for selling children plastic rubbish. I keep expecting a paladin to hold up a Cica-Cola, declaring it to be "The elixir of a new generation!" It doesn't have any idenrity beyond being cirporate. I mean, going all-digital as they are I can even see product placement becoming a thing.
#psychology #actuallyautistic #dungeonsanddragons #dnd #dnd55e
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[P] I've been trying to pin down why I dislike the D&D 5.5E artstyle so much. I'm an amateur artist with a wife who's so talented, so I do pick up things. In my twilight though I'm not always sure I have the vocabulary for it. But thwn I saw someone use a descriptor that hit me like a tonne of bricks. "Focus-tested." I mean, yes, it's soulless and so homogeneous, but it's so much worse than that. It's corporate-by-design.
#psychology #actuallyautistic #dungeonsanddragons #dnd #dnd55e
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[P] I've been trying to pin down why I dislike the D&D 5.5E artstyle so much. I'm an amateur artist with a wife who's so talented, so I do pick up things. In my twilight though I'm not always sure I have the vocabulary for it. But thwn I saw someone use a descriptor that hit me like a tonne of bricks. "Focus-tested." I mean, yes, it's soulless and so homogeneous, but it's so much worse than that. It's corporate-by-design.
#psychology #actuallyautistic #dungeonsanddragons #dnd #dnd55e
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[P] Whuf...
Hasbro CEO: I'm a huuuuge fan of AI! I use AI in all of my D&D campaigns! AI rules! AI rocks! Bros with Krafton forevs! But... we definitely don't use it for Magic and D&D art, even if analytical tools say we do!
Hasdrones: We believe and obey you, Beloved Corporate Overlord.One would think they'd learn eventually. One would really think they'd learn.
#psychology #dungeonsanddragons #dnd55e #magicthegathering #genai #aiart
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[P] Whuf...
Hasbro CEO: I'm a huuuuge fan of AI! I use AI in all of my D&D campaigns! AI rules! AI rocks! Bros with Krafton forevs! But... we definitely don't use it for Magic and D&D art, even if analytical tools say we do!
Hasdrones: We believe and obey you, Beloved Corporate Overlord.One would think they'd learn eventually. One would really think they'd learn.
#psychology #dungeonsanddragons #dnd55e #magicthegathering #genai #aiart
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[P] Welp. There's a number of D&D 5.5E pieces I'd swear are AI generated or heavily "assisted," it's been eating at my brain. I recently came across Decopy.ai which provides detailed, reasoned reports on whether a picture is AI or not. I ran a number of my partner's pieces through it (that I watched them create). 0% AI, cool. I liked how logical the breakdown was. The D&D pieces? All 83% and up, one was 97%. I bloody knew it.
#dnd55e #dnd2024 #dungeonsanddragons #wizardsofthecoast #art #ai
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[P] Hasbro sees D&D 5e as a commercial flop, so they're pulling more money out of WotC to pump it into their wunderkind, Magic: the Gathering. They see M:tG as their only real moneymaker in the fantasy space, so their last ditch effort is to turn D&D into a licensing brand. What I really want is for WotC to sell D&D after the licensing initiative fails (which it will). That's the only hope I hold for D&D's future.
#fatphobia #dungeonsanddragons #dnd #dnd55e #ttrpg
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[P] Hasbro sees D&D 5e as a commercial flop, so they're pulling more money out of WotC to pump it into their wunderkind, Magic: the Gathering. They see M:tG as their only real moneymaker in the fantasy space, so their last ditch effort is to turn D&D into a licensing brand. What I really want is for WotC to sell D&D after the licensing initiative fails (which it will). That's the only hope I hold for D&D's future.
#fatphobia #dungeonsanddragons #dnd #dnd55e #ttrpg
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[P] I want actual progressiveness in D&D. Give me a fat, good, culturally gay dragon, you cowards. I'd love that as an.important poster character for D&D. We won't ever get that, though, because D&D is mired in right-leaning traditionalist regressivrness. The players often (often!) try to fix that, but it shouldn't be our job. It just makes me want a better game to replace D&D. And I might not have long to wait, frankly...
#fatphobia #dungeonsanddragons #dnd #dnd55e #ttrpg
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[P] I want actual progressiveness in D&D. Give me a fat, good, culturally gay dragon, you cowards. I'd love that as an.important poster character for D&D. We won't ever get that, though, because D&D is mired in right-leaning traditionalist regressivrness. The players often (often!) try to fix that, but it shouldn't be our job. It just makes me want a better game to replace D&D. And I might not have long to wait, frankly...
#fatphobia #dungeonsanddragons #dnd #dnd55e #ttrpg
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[P] I recall 2e/3e dragons being so chonky because being fat wasn't always a sin in D&D. It feels like things should get more progressive with time. I mean, granted, they've made some superficial passes at LGBTQ+, but I see that as corporate cynicism as they've never gone all in with that support. A character being coded omnisexual doesn't give them authentic gay/lesbian culture, BG3 had not a single actual gay, just omnisexual straights.
#fatphobia #dungeonsanddragons #dnd #dnd55e #ttrpg
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[P] I recall 2e/3e dragons being so chonky because being fat wasn't always a sin in D&D. It feels like things should get more progressive with time. I mean, granted, they've made some superficial passes at LGBTQ+, but I see that as corporate cynicism as they've never gone all in with that support. A character being coded omnisexual doesn't give them authentic gay/lesbian culture, BG3 had not a single actual gay, just omnisexual straights.
#fatphobia #dungeonsanddragons #dnd #dnd55e #ttrpg
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[P] This isn't new for WotC, either.
https://buttondown.com/TayoWrites/archive/dungeons-and-diets/
Apparently Larian was so upset with WotC's tampering that they've sworn they'll never make another D&D game. I don't think fantasy should be anything-phobic, but WotC is fatphobic on the regular. I want to say this started around mid-4E from what I remember, and it's juat gotten worse since then. It's really put me off D&D. Doing it to the dragons was the last straw.
#fatphobia #dungeonsanddragons #dnd #dnd55e #ttrpg
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[P] This isn't new for WotC, either.
https://buttondown.com/TayoWrites/archive/dungeons-and-diets/
Apparently Larian was so upset with WotC's tampering that they've sworn they'll never make another D&D game. I don't think fantasy should be anything-phobic, but WotC is fatphobic on the regular. I want to say this started around mid-4E from what I remember, and it's juat gotten worse since then. It's really put me off D&D. Doing it to the dragons was the last straw.
#fatphobia #dungeonsanddragons #dnd #dnd55e #ttrpg
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[P] I still can't forgive WotC for bringing American beauty standards—of all the vile things—to Dungeons & Dragons, where good has to be anaemic. The new gold dragon is now a poster-child for vomit-don't-eat while evil dragons get chonkier. Typical. It makes me want a progressive European replacement for D&D. 5.5e broadcasts "Good people aren't fat! Baddies are!" with SO much of its art, it isn't even just the dragons. WotC has a problem.
#fatphobia #dungeonsanddragons #dnd #dnd55e #ttrpg
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[P] I still can't forgive WotC for bringing American beauty standards—of all the vile things—to Dungeons & Dragons, where good has to be anaemic. The new gold dragon is now a poster-child for vomit-don't-eat while evil dragons get chonkier. Typical. It makes me want a progressive European replacement for D&D. 5.5e broadcasts "Good people aren't fat! Baddies are!" with SO much of its art, it isn't even just the dragons. WotC has a problem.
#fatphobia #dungeonsanddragons #dnd #dnd55e #ttrpg
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[P] My partner is an artist, I'm an aspiring one, and I've spoken with other artists about this. For everyone I spoke to, 3E/3.5E had the best art with its dungeon-punk vibe, 5E comes in second place and... the rest isn't all that great, to be honest. 3E/3.5E also had thr chubbiest dragons, and dragons who actually decorated themselves and wore clothes (see: Council of Wyrms)! Because dragons are sapient, not feral, ao of course they would.
#dungeonsanddragons #dnd55e #55e #art
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[P] But 5.5E doesn't feel like it has room for me and my shenanigans. It's "epyk warrrrrgh" with lots of mans who want to stab the other mans, then whore it up in an inn later. And... i'm just not about that. If this is kind of a back-amf-forth though? Maybe the whimsy will return for 6E and D&D will be something I caj actually enjoy again. And if I can dream, maybe they'll stop being nauseatingly fatphobic and let me have my chubby dragons back.
#dungeonsanddragons #dnd55e #55e #art
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[P] But 5.5E doesn't feel like it has room for me and my shenanigans. It's "epyk warrrrrgh" with lots of mans who want to stab the other mans, then whore it up in an inn later. And... i'm just not about that. If this is kind of a back-amf-forth though? Maybe the whimsy will return for 6E and D&D will be something I caj actually enjoy again. And if I can dream, maybe they'll stop being nauseatingly fatphobic and let me have my chubby dragons back.
#dungeonsanddragons #dnd55e #55e #art
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[P] I remember the DM threw in a bunch of undead just so the God of Diplomacy couldn't talk his way out of this one. See, I fevoted my entire build to that, I had no capacity for combat. And I'm really, really lucky with dice rolls, which is how we left the big bad's domain alive with our treasure. I kept rolling 18s and up, I even got an "Are you fucking serious right now?" out of the DM. See, that's what roleplaying is. It's being creative and clever.
#dungeonsanddragons #dnd55e #55e #art
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[P] I remember the DM threw in a bunch of undead just so the God of Diplomacy couldn't talk his way out of this one. See, I fevoted my entire build to that, I had no capacity for combat. And I'm really, really lucky with dice rolls, which is how we left the big bad's domain alive with our treasure. I kept rolling 18s and up, I even got an "Are you fucking serious right now?" out of the DM. See, that's what roleplaying is. It's being creative and clever.
#dungeonsanddragons #dnd55e #55e #art
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[P] The best campaign I was ever a part of was one where I had the ultimate diplomat. I convinced door guards that I was a wealthy investor to skip an entire dungeon, and we beat the campaign by me pointing out the logical flaws in the big bad's plan and giving him a better plan! Our goal was an item from his treasure as we were mercs, which he gladly gave to us and allowed us to leave! The party was in stitches. It was hilarious.
#dungeonsanddragons #dnd55e #55e #art
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[P] The best campaign I was ever a part of was one where I had the ultimate diplomat. I convinced door guards that I was a wealthy investor to skip an entire dungeon, and we beat the campaign by me pointing out the logical flaws in the big bad's plan and giving him a better plan! Our goal was an item from his treasure as we were mercs, which he gladly gave to us and allowed us to leave! The party was in stitches. It was hilarious.
#dungeonsanddragons #dnd55e #55e #art
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[P] Craig Charles isn't a great person, I've heard, but ehat made both Lister and Kryten relatable is that neither was very masculine-coded. There's something so neurotypical and male to have "As many mens on the field as possible, killin' each othrr! Yeah!' And that's something 5.5E is really going for. It's very "epyk" and I'm just not interested. I prefer the whimsy and fun of D&D. All of my most memorable moments were of that, and being weird.
#dungeonsanddragons #dnd55e #55e #art
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[P] Craig Charles isn't a great person, I've heard, but ehat made both Lister and Kryten relatable is that neither was very masculine-coded. There's something so neurotypical and male to have "As many mens on the field as possible, killin' each othrr! Yeah!' And that's something 5.5E is really going for. It's very "epyk" and I'm just not interested. I prefer the whimsy and fun of D&D. All of my most memorable moments were of that, and being weird.
#dungeonsanddragons #dnd55e #55e #art
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[P] I've seen women talk about this and how parts of 4E went this way, alienating anyone who wasn't that particular target demographic. And now they're at it again. See, yeah, 1E/2E had a Frazetta vibe with barbarians but it was never "Epyk warrrrrgh!" There's something about "epyk" ear shit that's so straight, male, and neurotypical. It's hard to articulate. It feels compensatory, almost? Like Red Dwarf's Rimmer. D&D for Rimmer.
#dungeonsanddragons #dnd55e #55e #art
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[P] I've seen women talk about this and how parts of 4E went this way, alienating anyone who wasn't that particular target demographic. And now they're at it again. See, yeah, 1E/2E had a Frazetta vibe with barbarians but it was never "Epyk warrrrrgh!" There's something about "epyk" ear shit that's so straight, male, and neurotypical. It's hard to articulate. It feels compensatory, almost? Like Red Dwarf's Rimmer. D&D for Rimmer.
#dungeonsanddragons #dnd55e #55e #art
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[P] I've never been shy about admitting that I strongly dislike the style of 5.5E. What interests me currently is the talk of it being a strongly male-coded design, which doesn't surprise me as I think what little remakns of their art leadership (those who aren't freelancers and contractors) are all men. So it has a very testosterone-fuelled "Epyk warrrgh!" vibe in striking contrast to 5E's whimsy. 5.5E does have a neurotypical boys' club feel to it.
#dungeonsanddragons #dnd55e #55e #art
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[P] I've never been shy about admitting that I strongly dislike the style of 5.5E. What interests me currently is the talk of it being a strongly male-coded design, which doesn't surprise me as I think what little remakns of their art leadership (those who aren't freelancers and contractors) are all men. So it has a very testosterone-fuelled "Epyk warrrgh!" vibe in striking contrast to 5E's whimsy. 5.5E does have a neurotypical boys' club feel to it.
#dungeonsanddragons #dnd55e #55e #art
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[P] If you really want to understand why I think the new design for 5E's goodest of boys (gold dragons) is fatphobic? Observe the examples.
Old is on the left; New on the right.
"Gold goes from chonky to thin! To be good is to be slim!"
Yes. I know. Lung. But they could've created an entirely new awesome lung dragon for this, or chosen a priorly sinuous dragon. Like it or not, this makes a very unpleasant statement.
I miss chubby golds. :C
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[P] If you really want to understand why I think the new design for 5E's goodest of boys (gold dragons) is fatphobic? Observe the examples.
Old is on the left; New on the right.
"Gold goes from chonky to thin! To be good is to be slim!"
Yes. I know. Lung. But they could've created an entirely new awesome lung dragon for this, or chosen a priorly sinuous dragon. Like it or not, this makes a very unpleasant statement.
I miss chubby golds. :C
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[P] I think qnother thing that bothers me about the 5E gold dragon design is the misguided choice they made for diversity. See, if you want a lung, add an entirely awesome new dragon or use one that's already sinuous. Taking a lad that's been chonky for so many editions, and suddenly making him a thin boy? What's the messaging? (Especially since golds embody Good.) "To be good is to be thin!"? It feels fatphobic, body-shamey. Just rubs me the wrong way.
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[P] If people can't see it when it's this obvious, then... well. It just feels like AI has already won, and the megaparasites of these vile corporations are going to prefer boiling the ocean over ponying up for real artists. I mean, protecting artists requires people being able to tell enough to be put off, because neurotypical hiverarchy sure as hell won't care otherwise. If genocide doesn't stop them from buying new Xbox games, artists are fucked.
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[P] Grab some books from Pathfinder or D&D 4E or older and compare them with 5.5, you should br able to see tye difference between real artists and amateur interns doing paintovers of AI. I mean, Hasbro has fired almost all of their artists by this point! So who's even putting in the work? It's interns and cheap contractors (the latter of whom also likely use AI as a shortcut). It's really obvious, but people just can't see it.
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[P] I'fd be charitable enough to say that some pieces are at least painted over, but... even then, they don't fix the underlying AIisms that make it so blatant. And it is blatant. It should be blatant to any artist. I'd honestly say that they used AI to help them even design the more technical (ref-like) visual updates because there're things there too telling of it, there's just something obvious about how AI puts things together. Just do some comparisons.
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[P] I feel really depressed about how successful AI is. I mean, I'm an amateur artist but it's easy for me to see how flooded with AI art so much stuff is. I mean, there's loads of it in thr D&D 5.5 monster manual and people just... can't see it. There are disjointed limbs, patchwork bodyparts, bwckwards elbows and knees, and bizarre lighting that's irrelevant to the scene, and more. These're mistakes even amateur artists wouldn't make! Yet people still can't see it!
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[P] The problem is hiverarchians in their multitudes gasping at AI art and prostrating themselves at the altar of Hasbro over how "great" it is. Hiverarchians sure do love them some corporate megaparasites. The thing about our unconscious homunculi drooling over AI art is that it sends a bad message to artists. "Why bother creating art? Just AI gen it and paint over it, hiverarchians will love it anyway!" And that's really frustrating.
#psychology #humans #art #dungeonsanddragons #dnd55e
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[P] They have no connection to anything, just empty-eyed bodies free-floating against a background. There's just ni interaction between the constituent parts of the art like therewas in older D&D books. You can compare D&D with Paizo to see it, too, as Paizo seens to vet their artists and pay them well, Wizards gives zero shits. I get that Hasbro treats them badly so they have no passion in their work, but that's not the problem.
#psychology #humans #art #dungeonsanddragons #dnd55e
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[P] In fiction or reality, you cannot get away! Another example is how they're gentrifying the Born Good dragons, trying to make them look much less like dragons to distinguish them from the Born Evil dragons. There's something so creepy and insidious about that. "Please us with how you look," says hiverarchy, "or we'll classify you as Born Evil." That's insidious and creepy, right? They could have all dragons look like dragons, good or evil.
#psychology #humans #evil #dnd55e
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