#4open — Public Fediverse posts
Live and recent posts from across the Fediverse tagged #4open, aggregated by home.social.
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Communities and people doesn’t adopt digital technologies—they adopt #KISS tools. People don’t use TCP/IP or HTTP; they browse websites. They don’t think about SMTP or IMAP when sending emails. They interact with intuitive projects that abstract these technical layers away.
One of the toughest challenges working at the grassroots of #DIY tech is creating#FOSS tools while ensuring they align with #4open standards and good #UX. This mostly isn't only a technical challenge; it’s primarily a social and political one. Unfortunately, it’s been a difficult conversation to have in #openweb and #FOSS spaces so far. it's a large part of the mess we are in, we need to work to compost this mess, the #geekproblem
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https://hamishcampbell.com/we-face-a-digital-cliff-the-open-internet-may-be-over/
Back then, we were teetering on the edge of a digital cliff, with the open internet hanging in the balance. There were two insightful perspectives capturing the crossroads we are at: Phil Windley argued that the open internet was a historical fluke, while Dave Winer suggests that what we were seeing was merely the ebb before the next wave of the #openweb arrived.
The Enclosure of the Digital Commons, #PhilWindley perspective, is a sobering one. Though he has updated his post, he used to see the internet early open nature as an anomaly—an accident of history. In this view, the open internet as we knew it is essentially finished. That once-thriving commons have been systematically enclosed by corporate silos—the #dotcons like Facebook, Google, and Amazon—that now dominate the digital landscape. What remains outside these silos is, according to this perspective, withering and dying. The vision of a decentralized, user-controlled internet has been overwhelmed by the centralized, profit-driven motives of these tech giants.
His argument is that decentralization is hard, perhaps too hard for most people to handle. This reality, combined with the fact that these silos provide convenience, user-friendliness, and perceived safety, has led people to choose them over the messy and challenging world of a truly openweb. People have traded freedom for convenience, security for walled gardens, and the vibrant chaos of the commons for the curated safety of #dotcons. The digital commons have been enclosed, and it was a bleak view.
On the other side, Dave Winer offered a more hopeful perspective. He believes that the history of the internet and the web comes in waves—periods of openness followed by enclosure, which then recede to allow for another wave of openness. In his view, Phil Windley’s observation might not be wrong, but it’s not the end of the story. Rather, it’s the ebb of the tide before a new wave of the #openweb surges forward. The potential for decentralized, and open paths is always there, and it’s a mistake to assume that the current moment is the end of the line.
#DaveWiner argument rests on the idea that the desire for openness and freedom is cyclical. When centralized systems become oppressive, restrictive, or exploitative, there will be a counter-movement that pushes back. The nature of technology, innovation, and humanistic creativity ensures that “native” paths, and protocols will emerge to challenge the status quo.
There is a logic to the digitization of everything. The internet and #openweb built on top of it, is a living example of what happens when this logic is let loose: a tsunami that crashes over every part of our cultures, breaking old structures and opening up possibilities. The storm is not over. Just as the early web opened up commons that were later enclosed, the current wave of enclosure is broken by a new wave of #4open decentralization paths.
What Has Changed in the Last Decade? Looking back at what I wrote nearly ten years ago, the fundamental dynamics haven’t changed. The dotcons have only grown more powerful and more entrenched, but at the same time, the counter-forces have also begun to stir vigorously. Movements like the #Fediverse, based on #ActivityPub, #Nostor and to a lesser extent #Bluesky have grown into real usable decentralized social paths, together with this, we are dipping our toes back into peer-to-peer technologies, this wave is evidence that the storm of digitization is still alive.
Yes, the #dotcons did enclose the first wave of commons, when we stupidly took their digital algorithmic drugs. But the defences of the dotcons are very weak, the only thing holding most people is their addictions, nobody thinks they are healthy any more. The logic of digitization continues, and as long as there are waves, there is hope for the current openweb reboot.
#OMN #makeinghistory #OGB #indymediaback
https://hamishcampbell.com/the-patriarchs-of-the-early-openweb/
#4open #activitypub #bluesky #DaveWiner #dotcons #fediverse #indymediaback #makeinghistory #Nostor #OGB #OMN #openweb #PhilWindley
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@letsencrypt have you thought that having all the #openwebs security going through one org might be a fail.
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@bhaugen @[email protected] @bonfire @[email protected]
That's cheating ;) the is #kiss structure to the #4open is your project bronze, silver or gold let's add some metadata :)
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@bhaugen @[email protected] @bonfire @[email protected] your project is a bridge, it gets (open) data from one place to another.
Its not the approach I would choice as a main flow but it's as valid and usefull for meany people so as far as it's #4open I support it, looks good, would you say bronze, silver or gold https://unite.openworlds.info/Open-Media-Network/4opens/wiki
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"Legends are stories about a future we don't know yet." Prof. Eben Moglen.
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@strypey @Indymedia @clacke this is pritty much how i see the #OMN project working. But clearly not how the #indymedia network can work.
As long as projects are #4open the is no reason not to have a happy diversity of stratagys in a wider network. The problem is when each of these go in different incombatable ways and create parrel networks, a all to common problem. The #OMN approach is designed to mediate this problem.
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its an interesting #geekproblem here is a non activist #4open look at a solution worth watching the start of the first video https://www.grc.com/sqrl/sqrl.htm
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Its interesting to think that the now dusty globe #indymedia network has a lot to say to the current rebooting #openweb "#fediverse" it were a truly huge federated #www network 17 years ago. A lot happened then and it was mostly #4open but think the mailing list might be off-line which is a big shame for academics/people looking at this. Maybe someone could get them back on-line or as a static archive?
