#objc — Public Fediverse posts
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This extract from AI Morning Live demonstrates the "centaur effect": we aren't outsourcing our understanding of our work to the LLM, we're using it to enrich our own knowledge and experience and to create a better outcome.
The _Stop and Plan_ pattern is part of the Chiron Codex patterns catalog for AI-augmented software engineering. Find more information, and join a community of software centaurs, over at the Patreon: https://patreon.com/chironcodex
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This extract from AI Morning Live demonstrates the "centaur effect": we aren't outsourcing our understanding of our work to the LLM, we're using it to enrich our own knowledge and experience and to create a better outcome.
The _Stop and Plan_ pattern is part of the Chiron Codex patterns catalog for AI-augmented software engineering. Find more information, and join a community of software centaurs, over at the Patreon: https://patreon.com/chironcodex
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I recently saw someone post, I think here that they were working on an #ObjC #ObjectiveC #Mastodon Mac client as a side project. Any pointers as to who that was?
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I recently saw someone post, I think here that they were working on an #ObjC #ObjectiveC #Mastodon Mac client as a side project. Any pointers as to who that was?
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I'm happy the old vibes of the internet are still alive: https://fuckingblocksyntax.com #objc
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The old dude was famously verbose, but this is getting a bit much:
[self.imageView addSymbolEffect:[NSSymbolRotateEffect effect] options:[NSSymbolEffectOptions optionsWithRepeatBehavior:[NSSymbolEffectOptionsRepeatBehavior behaviorPeriodicWithCount:1]]];
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The old dude was famously verbose, but this is getting a bit much:
[self.imageView addSymbolEffect:[NSSymbolRotateEffect effect] options:[NSSymbolEffectOptions optionsWithRepeatBehavior:[NSSymbolEffectOptionsRepeatBehavior behaviorPeriodicWithCount:1]]];
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back in my early industry days when i was porting the adventure game studio (AGS) engine and games to mac/ios, i developed a healthy hatred of Objective-C which was used as interface glue between the engine code and macOS/ios
i had been working with C/C++ for a long time, and had made the mistake of assuming all programming syntax was essentially C-like in structure
suddenly having to deal with obj-c syntax was like stepping into an alien spaceship:
@interface ClassName : SuperclassName {
// instance variables
}
+ classMethod1;
(param1_type)param1_varName;- (return_type)instanceMethod1With1Parameter:(param1_type)param1_varName;
@endi could sort of grok out what i needed to do by changing a few variables and ctrl-c ctrl-v the methods i needed, but the overall experience was so difficult that i was glad when i never had to touch it again
over a decade later, i am *so* impressed by what obj-C was attempting. after doing a lot of NeXTStep reading, i finally understand what it was trying to do: add smalltalk-80 message-passing and object orientedness to C. the changes to the syntax (like using the + and - to indicate class vs. instance methods) are actually pretty cool!
sad that i dismissed something so fascinating in the early days just because i was more worried about getting a project done on time than actually learning how it worked
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back in my early industry days when i was porting the adventure game studio (AGS) engine and games to mac/ios, i developed a healthy hatred of Objective-C which was used as interface glue between the engine code and macOS/ios
i had been working with C/C++ for a long time, and had made the mistake of assuming all programming syntax was essentially C-like in structure
suddenly having to deal with obj-c syntax was like stepping into an alien spaceship:
@interface ClassName : SuperclassName {
// instance variables
}
+ classMethod1;
(param1_type)param1_varName;- (return_type)instanceMethod1With1Parameter:(param1_type)param1_varName;
@endi could sort of grok out what i needed to do by changing a few variables and ctrl-c ctrl-v the methods i needed, but the overall experience was so difficult that i was glad when i never had to touch it again
over a decade later, i am *so* impressed by what obj-C was attempting. after doing a lot of NeXTStep reading, i finally understand what it was trying to do: add smalltalk-80 message-passing and object orientedness to C. the changes to the syntax (like using the + and - to indicate class vs. instance methods) are actually pretty cool!
sad that i dismissed something so fascinating in the early days just because i was more worried about getting a project done on time than actually learning how it worked
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@sgharms Apple still develops #macOS more than #GNUstep ever evolved. Problem is I don't like the direction it's going. I don't want a network request for every app that I open.
But GNUstep won't help. It's just a POC, not able to deliver meaningful software anymore.
In case you want to develop #ObjC on living systems, try @objfw on literally any OS out there. In case you want a system where ObjC really is used to develop current applications, try #MorphOS. -
@sgharms Apple still develops #macOS more than #GNUstep ever evolved. Problem is I don't like the direction it's going. I don't want a network request for every app that I open.
But GNUstep won't help. It's just a POC, not able to deliver meaningful software anymore.
In case you want to develop #ObjC on living systems, try @objfw on literally any OS out there. In case you want a system where ObjC really is used to develop current applications, try #MorphOS. -
:mac: 🤘🏻🔻
#Metal :metal: + #glfw with #cpp code only.
Had to avoid #objc because my custom build system can't deal with that yet (and I didn't feel like changing that).What a pain to get it to compile.
BUT
It's using the exact same shader as my #Vulkan :vulkan: #HelloTriangle thanks to #Slang ❤️
AND
```
$ wc -l src/main.cpp src/shaders/hello_triangle.slang
134 src/main.cpp
40 src/shaders/hello_triangle.slang
164 total
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🧹 DYSNI — Do Ya Still Need It?
We deleted >800 lines of old Objective-C by asking one simple question: Do Ya Still Need It?
Simpler code. Less confusion. More clarity.
👉 https://paul-samuels.com/blog/2025/10/29/do-ya-still-need-it/
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(At a later point I'm going to generate #ObjC bindings for #libpurple 3 using #ObjGTK and then use #ObjFW to integrate libpurple into #Adium. But I never said that, because probably it will never happen.)
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(At a later point I'm going to generate #ObjC bindings for #libpurple 3 using #ObjGTK and then use #ObjFW to integrate libpurple into #Adium. But I never said that, because probably it will never happen.)
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Ok, as gorgeous as #Mavericks is, but the list of Software I need to backport becomes longer. Maybe it's easier to bite the bullet and update to 10.14. It's not as beautiful, but at least I wouldn't need to backport software written in #ObjC and 32 bit application still work. 😉
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Ok, as gorgeous as #Mavericks is, but the list of Software I need to backport becomes longer. Maybe it's easier to bite the bullet and update to 10.14. It's not as beautiful, but at least I wouldn't need to backport software written in #ObjC and 32 bit application still work. 😉
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Eventually (which may be many years ahead) I'm going to have a cross-platform #ObjC app featuring both a native GTK and native Cocoa (Touch) interfaces.
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Eventually (which may be many years ahead) I'm going to have a cross-platform #ObjC app featuring both a native GTK and native Cocoa (Touch) interfaces.
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Second aim is to develop my cross-platform #ObjC app #contacts2phone using @objfw
I'll then have two nice laptops allowing me to develop it: The Lenovo X280 running the most recent Ubuntu for #GTK development and the MacBook Air running a decent #MacOS X for #Cocoa development. iOS / CocoaTouch should be coming at some point as well.https://codeberg.org/Letterus/contacts2phone/src/branch/add-gtk-view
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Second aim is to develop my cross-platform #ObjC app #contacts2phone using @objfw
I'll then have two nice laptops allowing me to develop it: The Lenovo X280 running the most recent Ubuntu for #GTK development and the MacBook Air running a decent #MacOS X for #Cocoa development. iOS / CocoaTouch should be coming at some point as well.https://codeberg.org/Letterus/contacts2phone/src/branch/add-gtk-view
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In case you‘re interested in the state of #ObjGTK (which turns out to be my project for learning GObject), I’ve put some notes here: https://git.nil.im/ObjFW/discussions/issues/16#issuecomment-319
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Folks, I can definitely recommend this talk from @bugaevc at #guadec2025!
https://floss.social/@gnome/114873444742029431
Sergey has been of great help for my minor stumblings of trying to write #ObjC #GTK bindings for #ObjFW. He's got formidable knowledge und deep insight into #GObject especially and Cxx languages in general.
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Folks, I can definitely recommend this talk from @bugaevc at #guadec2025!
https://floss.social/@gnome/114873444742029431
Sergey has been of great help for my minor stumblings of trying to write #ObjC #GTK bindings for #ObjFW. He's got formidable knowledge und deep insight into #GObject especially and Cxx languages in general.
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What kind of worries me is the observation that many #GObject / #GNOME projects are in a somewhat abondoned state since the overwhelming use of mobile apps and web services around 2012 to 2014. There are some great exemptions like the #Evolution support by #RedHat and all the tools by @linuxmint.
Same is to apply to the #ObjC ecosystem which has seen few new projects since 2015 or so.
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What kind of worries me is the observation that many #GObject / #GNOME projects are in a somewhat abondoned state since the overwhelming use of mobile apps and web services around 2012 to 2014. There are some great exemptions like the #Evolution support by #RedHat and all the tools by @linuxmint.
Same is to apply to the #ObjC ecosystem which has seen few new projects since 2015 or so.
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@david_chisnall I think there are great projects like #Darling that were well worth to contribute to. But eventually to me it‘s this: #ObjC still is fun, but its time is over, looking at activities on GitHub the ecosystem declines.
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Learning AppKit using ObjC in 2025 is quite difficult. Searching for solutions or answers brings so many unrelated things up.
