#liberal-values — Public Fediverse posts

I get that liberal now means progressive in other countries, but does it need to? Separating the two would be so useful today when much of the left is desperate to never see misinformation and views they disagree with. Many conservatives are this way too but we've always known that. It's already in the term they use. #LiberalValues

https://www.racket.news/p/is-traditional-liberalism-vanishing

I get that liberal now means progressive in other countries, but does it need to? Separating the two would be so useful today when much of the left is desperate to never see misinformation and views they disagree with. Many conservatives are this way too but we've always known that. It's already in the term they use. #LiberalValues

https://www.racket.news/p/is-traditional-liberalism-vanishing

I get that liberal now means progressive in other countries, but does it need to? Separating the two would be so useful today when much of the left is desperate to never see misinformation and views they disagree with. Many conservatives are this way too but we've always known that. It's already in the term they use. #LiberalValues

https://www.racket.news/p/is-traditional-liberalism-vanishing

#MAGA is the illiberal right.

The #woke are the illiberal left.

They demand that you agree with them re what the truth is and reject the democratic process in government. The Enlightenment was a mistake. They think some people just might be evil, not worth reasoning with.

It's important to make this distinction because many more people are conservative or progressive than fit into these groups. And the rise of these detrimental groups can be reversed by embracing #LiberalValues on all sides.

#MAGA is the illiberal right.

The #woke are the illiberal left.

They demand that you agree with them re what the truth is and reject the democratic process in government. The Enlightenment was a mistake. They think some people just might be evil, not worth reasoning with.

It's important to make this distinction because many more people are conservative or progressive than fit into these groups. And the rise of these detrimental groups can be reversed by embracing #LiberalValues on all sides.

#MAGA is the illiberal right.

The #woke are the illiberal left.

They demand that you agree with them re what the truth is and reject the democratic process in government. The Enlightenment was a mistake. They think some people just might be evil, not worth reasoning with.

It's important to make this distinction because many more people are conservative or progressive than fit into these groups. And the rise of these detrimental groups can be reversed by embracing #LiberalValues on all sides.

What makes you liberal is opposing the illegal forced change of government no matter the ideology or partisanship of the parties involved. An illiberal progressive or conservative just cares about the results. A liberal cares about the public understanding being truthful and the variety of interests being heard and competing fairly. #LiberalValues

What makes you liberal is opposing the illegal forced change of government no matter the ideology or partisanship of the parties involved. An illiberal progressive or conservative just cares about the results. A liberal cares about the public understanding being truthful and the variety of interests being heard and competing fairly. #LiberalValues

What makes you liberal is opposing the illegal forced change of government no matter the ideology or partisanship of the parties involved. An illiberal progressive or conservative just cares about the results. A liberal cares about the public understanding being truthful and the variety of interests being heard and competing fairly. #LiberalValues

Without empathy, thinking you've got all the answers and the people who disagree are idiots, can make perfect sense. More intelligence doesn't help us address that basic human failure. You must be able to step outside of yourself to see the value in a more open system, otherwise you will see them as at best speed bumps to your glorious vision. #LiberalValues

Without empathy, thinking you've got all the answers and the people who disagree are idiots, can make perfect sense. More intelligence doesn't help us address that basic human failure. You must be able to step outside of yourself to see the value in a more open system, otherwise you will see them as at best speed bumps to your glorious vision. #LiberalValues

Without empathy, thinking you've got all the answers and the people who disagree are idiots, can make perfect sense. More intelligence doesn't help us address that basic human failure. You must be able to step outside of yourself to see the value in a more open system, otherwise you will see them as at best speed bumps to your glorious vision. #LiberalValues

"The purpose of art and civilization is to help us grow a little, to increase our ability to empathize with people outside of ourselves, to develop an understanding of the theory of mind."

best Pope from #Chicago ever! #LiberalValues

"The purpose of art and civilization is to help us grow a little, to increase our ability to empathize with people outside of ourselves, to develop an understanding of the theory of mind."

best Pope from #Chicago ever! #LiberalValues

"The purpose of art and civilization is to help us grow a little, to increase our ability to empathize with people outside of ourselves, to develop an understanding of the theory of mind."

best Pope from #Chicago ever! #LiberalValues

It's all subjective. When you recognize that and choose to weigh everyone else's right to define what is true and how to live together equally, you end up with #LiberalValues.

https://www.youtube.com/live/YqIaiQ-aK_s?si=KXLgJW3ceGZtSf7c

It's all subjective. When you recognize that and choose to weigh everyone else's right to define what is true and how to live together equally, you end up with #LiberalValues.

https://www.youtube.com/live/YqIaiQ-aK_s?si=KXLgJW3ceGZtSf7c

It's all subjective. When you recognize that and choose to weigh everyone else's right to define what is true and how to live together equally, you end up with #LiberalValues.

https://www.youtube.com/live/YqIaiQ-aK_s?si=KXLgJW3ceGZtSf7c

Talk about politics as if everybody is a mix of both self-interest and trying to advance some vision of the better life for others. Nobody is evil but we're all definitely working with limited information and a bias built on our own life experiences. And if they are powerful in this broken system, they're also probably willing to mislead others for private or public goals.

Skepticism but not cynicism. A space to find compromise but not be taken advantage of.

#LiberalValues #civics

Talk about politics as if everybody is a mix of both self-interest and trying to advance some vision of the better life for others. Nobody is evil but we're all definitely working with limited information and a bias built on our own life experiences. And if they are powerful in this broken system, they're also probably willing to mislead others for private or public goals.

Skepticism but not cynicism. A space to find compromise but not be taken advantage of.

#LiberalValues #civics

Talk about politics as if everybody is a mix of both self-interest and trying to advance some vision of the better life for others. Nobody is evil but we're all definitely working with limited information and a bias built on our own life experiences. And if they are powerful in this broken system, they're also probably willing to mislead others for private or public goals.

Skepticism but not cynicism. A space to find compromise but not be taken advantage of.

#LiberalValues #civics

@mariabustillos.com

empathy, curiosity and integrity #LiberalValues

@mariabustillos.com

empathy, curiosity and integrity #LiberalValues

@mariabustillos.com

empathy, curiosity and integrity #LiberalValues

I want #RankedChoiceVoting and #DemocracyOfReach and a better UN because I believe in #LiberalValues. I think we get the best outcomes for everyone when everyone gets an equal say.

I recognize individual ignorance and bias. I think fascism and the excesses of capitalism come down to concentrated power and people thinking they are smarter or more righteous than others. I can't understand thinking you were born into the best ethnicity or can somehow better discern the voice of the supreme being.

I want #RankedChoiceVoting and #DemocracyOfReach and a better UN because I believe in #LiberalValues. I think we get the best outcomes for everyone when everyone gets an equal say.

I recognize individual ignorance and bias. I think fascism and the excesses of capitalism come down to concentrated power and people thinking they are smarter or more righteous than others. I can't understand thinking you were born into the best ethnicity or can somehow better discern the voice of the supreme being.

I want #RankedChoiceVoting and #DemocracyOfReach and a better UN because I believe in #LiberalValues. I think we get the best outcomes for everyone when everyone gets an equal say.

I recognize individual ignorance and bias. I think fascism and the excesses of capitalism come down to concentrated power and people thinking they are smarter or more righteous than others. I can't understand thinking you were born into the best ethnicity or can somehow better discern the voice of the supreme being.

AI agrees with you to maximize engagement (make their owners more money). Yes that's what your favorite political pundit is doing too.

Our #civics is doomed unless we come to appreciate (and support) the people who are smart and well informed but also honest with empathy for all sides. #LiberalValues

AI agrees with you to maximize engagement (make their owners more money). Yes that's what your favorite political pundit is doing too.

Our #civics is doomed unless we come to appreciate (and support) the people who are smart and well informed but also honest with empathy for all sides. #LiberalValues

AI agrees with you to maximize engagement (make their owners more money). Yes that's what your favorite political pundit is doing too.

Our #civics is doomed unless we come to appreciate (and support) the people who are smart and well informed but also honest with empathy for all sides. #LiberalValues

@aaronrosspowell.com

what % of the liberty movement just wants less limits on making more money?

while I consider myself liberal, I don't use libertarian or classical liberal because that tends to imply some level of market fundamentalism. liberalism (not sure about liberty) can require limits on some for the greater benefit of all. liberalism should be about the Enlightenment. constantly refiguring out how best to live together.

#LiberalValues: empathy, curiosity and integrity

@aaronrosspowell.com

what % of the liberty movement just wants less limits on making more money?

while I consider myself liberal, I don't use libertarian or classical liberal because that tends to imply some level of market fundamentalism. liberalism (not sure about liberty) can require limits on some for the greater benefit of all. liberalism should be about the Enlightenment. constantly refiguring out how best to live together.

#LiberalValues: empathy, curiosity and integrity

@aaronrosspowell.com

what % of the liberty movement just wants less limits on making more money?

while I consider myself liberal, I don't use libertarian or classical liberal because that tends to imply some level of market fundamentalism. liberalism (not sure about liberty) can require limits on some for the greater benefit of all. liberalism should be about the Enlightenment. constantly refiguring out how best to live together.

#LiberalValues: empathy, curiosity and integrity

Politics actually shouldn't be about persuasion imo. That would just lead to the people with the most power to push shit on others winning. We should be trying to ensure everybody is well informed and thinking about institutions, issues and policy critically, while we try to balance the powers of persuasion in society. And maximize people having their perspectives represented in government.

My #LiberalValues are ridiculous.

Politics actually shouldn't be about persuasion imo. That would just lead to the people with the most power to push shit on others winning. We should be trying to ensure everybody is well informed and thinking about institutions, issues and policy critically, while we try to balance the powers of persuasion in society. And maximize people having their perspectives represented in government.

My #LiberalValues are ridiculous.

Politics actually shouldn't be about persuasion imo. That would just lead to the people with the most power to push shit on others winning. We should be trying to ensure everybody is well informed and thinking about institutions, issues and policy critically, while we try to balance the powers of persuasion in society. And maximize people having their perspectives represented in government.

My #LiberalValues are ridiculous.

@ryan

why must you reframe what I said?

I asked if he ever admitted to changing his mind, exactly what you constantly accuse me of not doing. And just did above. That's the test imo (and it seems yours), not whether he agrees with me. And I can only offer my posts and shows to argue I'm trying to do that and what I think #LiberalValues are.

AFAICT he was doing exactly what you claim I'm doing. Using rhetorical tricks to fool bystanders re how much his ideas are better than those of lefties.

@ryan

why must you reframe what I said?

I asked if he ever admitted to changing his mind, exactly what you constantly accuse me of not doing. And just did above. That's the test imo (and it seems yours), not whether he agrees with me. And I can only offer my posts and shows to argue I'm trying to do that and what I think #LiberalValues are.

AFAICT he was doing exactly what you claim I'm doing. Using rhetorical tricks to fool bystanders re how much his ideas are better than those of lefties.

@ryan

why must you reframe what I said?

I asked if he ever admitted to changing his mind, exactly what you constantly accuse me of not doing. And just did above. That's the test imo (and it seems yours), not whether he agrees with me. And I can only offer my posts and shows to argue I'm trying to do that and what I think #LiberalValues are.

AFAICT he was doing exactly what you claim I'm doing. Using rhetorical tricks to fool bystanders re how much his ideas are better than those of lefties.

One argument that #CharlieKirk was different is that his whole persona was about talking to people that disagreed with him. So did he ever publicly admit to being persuaded or say conservatives were wrong on an issue? Otherwise it was performative. Tricky arguments rather than honest open conversations.

In my experience, you don't get popular doing that. You won't be praised by leaders and given political money if you sometimes loudly say they are wrong. But maybe I missed it.

#LiberalValues

One argument that #CharlieKirk was different is that his whole persona was about talking to people that disagreed with him. So did he ever publicly admit to being persuaded or say conservatives were wrong on an issue? Otherwise it was performative. Tricky arguments rather than honest open conversations.

In my experience, you don't get popular doing that. You won't be praised by leaders and given political money if you sometimes loudly say they are wrong. But maybe I missed it.

#LiberalValues

One argument that #CharlieKirk was different is that his whole persona was about talking to people that disagreed with him. So did he ever publicly admit to being persuaded or say conservatives were wrong on an issue? Otherwise it was performative. Tricky arguments rather than honest open conversations.

In my experience, you don't get popular doing that. You won't be praised by leaders and given political money if you sometimes loudly say they are wrong. But maybe I missed it.

#LiberalValues

Obviously the worst thing is the unjustified violence.

But if someone like Osama says kill people, that's bad too. What if they never actually tell people to kill others but just say some group is doing horrible shit and nobody will stop them. Doesn't that imply somebody should? And if you stop somebody that they then inspired, how useful is that when they can easily inspire so many others?

I don't know what to do with all this except to encourage us to talk things out instead. #LiberalValues

Obviously the worst thing is the unjustified violence.

But if someone like Osama says kill people, that's bad too. What if they never actually tell people to kill others but just say some group is doing horrible shit and nobody will stop them. Doesn't that imply somebody should? And if you stop somebody that they then inspired, how useful is that when they can easily inspire so many others?

I don't know what to do with all this except to encourage us to talk things out instead. #LiberalValues

Obviously the worst thing is the unjustified violence.

But if someone like Osama says kill people, that's bad too. What if they never actually tell people to kill others but just say some group is doing horrible shit and nobody will stop them. Doesn't that imply somebody should? And if you stop somebody that they then inspired, how useful is that when they can easily inspire so many others?

I don't know what to do with all this except to encourage us to talk things out instead. #LiberalValues

I strongly disagree with @kenwhite.bsky.social. It has always rested on the people to demand more than barbarism from their government. To teach #LiberalValues to future generations. But we've been failing to do this well in this nation for generations. Our foreign policy has been total disregard for international standards when it serves elite interests, while we pretend to care when it suits us. Like renaming the Pentagon, they're just ripping off the mask.

I strongly disagree with @kenwhite.bsky.social. It has always rested on the people to demand more than barbarism from their government. To teach #LiberalValues to future generations. But we've been failing to do this well in this nation for generations. Our foreign policy has been total disregard for international standards when it serves elite interests, while we pretend to care when it suits us. Like renaming the Pentagon, they're just ripping off the mask.

I strongly disagree with @kenwhite.bsky.social. It has always rested on the people to demand more than barbarism from their government. To teach #LiberalValues to future generations. But we've been failing to do this well in this nation for generations. Our foreign policy has been total disregard for international standards when it serves elite interests, while we pretend to care when it suits us. Like renaming the Pentagon, they're just ripping off the mask.

when you don't have a cultural norm of debate and dialogue, it ends up mattering much more who can achieve a greater reach for their argument than whose argument is better. #LiberalValues

when you don't have a cultural norm of debate and dialogue, it ends up mattering much more who can achieve a greater reach for their argument than whose argument is better. #LiberalValues

when you don't have a cultural norm of debate and dialogue, it ends up mattering much more who can achieve a greater reach for their argument than whose argument is better. #LiberalValues

Ok, so I finally got a framing of liberalism from the left that I can understand, even if I disagree with it.

That liberalism believes we can't challenge market power. So their approach to dealing with climate change fails because it says going after oil companies is off limits. Fixing health care includes saying we can't confront big pharma and insurance companies. It's like libertarian lite.

Not my liberalism of facts and dialogue towards any possible policy, but I get it.

#LiberalValues

Ok, so I finally got a framing of liberalism from the left that I can understand, even if I disagree with it.

That liberalism believes we can't challenge market power. So their approach to dealing with climate change fails because it says going after oil companies is off limits. Fixing health care includes saying we can't confront big pharma and insurance companies. It's like libertarian lite.

Not my liberalism of facts and dialogue towards any possible policy, but I get it.

#LiberalValues

Ok, so I finally got a framing of liberalism from the left that I can understand, even if I disagree with it.

That liberalism believes we can't challenge market power. So their approach to dealing with climate change fails because it says going after oil companies is off limits. Fixing health care includes saying we can't confront big pharma and insurance companies. It's like libertarian lite.

Not my liberalism of facts and dialogue towards any possible policy, but I get it.

#LiberalValues

We don't need and shouldn't want #journalism that is neutral or moderate, but it must be in good faith and strive to be fair. Lying assholes deter us from engaging in the public conversation, hurting democracy and our shared civic life. #LiberalValues

We don't need and shouldn't want #journalism that is neutral or moderate, but it must be in good faith and strive to be fair. Lying assholes deter us from engaging in the public conversation, hurting democracy and our shared civic life. #LiberalValues

We don't need and shouldn't want #journalism that is neutral or moderate, but it must be in good faith and strive to be fair. Lying assholes deter us from engaging in the public conversation, hurting democracy and our shared civic life. #LiberalValues